Why I'm afraid of this election's outcome

[Evilpete]

I 'm afraid because it seems that a large group of people voting for Kerry has the "I don't care who it is, as long as it's not Bush" mindset. In my opinion, this make these people twice as ignorant, and that in the end it could potentially be a huge mistake. I don't like any of the candidates, but I'm not about to vote for one just because I don't like the other. I was in this position last election...so it's going to be two years in a row that I do the write in vote. You may think i'm wasting my vote, but at least I"m going to

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[Yerdaddy]

I think you should vote when you're as drunk as you are now.

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[TheMojoPin]

I was in this position last election...so it's going to be two years in a row that I do the write in vote.

Dave Attell is right! Drinking IS time traveling!

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[Doctor Manhattan]

If someone thinks Bush is fucking things up royally why wouldn't they vote for Kerry?

A vote for Bush means he <u>will</u> keep fucking things up.

A vote for Kerry means he <u>might</u> fuck things up.

Unless you think Bush will do a good job I don't see how that is an ignorant decision. You have better odds with Kerry.

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[UnknownPD]

You have better odds with Kerry.


Better odds that he'll fuck things up more?

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[Mike Teacher]

I 'm afraid because it seems that a large group of people voting


I'm afriad of the large group of the general american public that doesnt know shit about Government, and worse, doesn't give a shit.

Like every election

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[UnknownPD]

I'm afriad of the large group of the general american public that doesnt know shit about Government, and worse, doesn't give a shit.


This is what makes America Great.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Better odds that he'll fuck things up more?

What makes you think Kerry can mess things up MORE than W? George set the bar very high.

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[Furtherman]

The Bush administration is holding us back as a country for their own agenda.

Just the other day Bush said even if he knew then what he knows now about Iraq, he still would have invaded. So that whole WMD thing really didn't matter anyway.

Just last month, 48 Nobel Prize winners publicly
endorsed Kerry's presidential bid, while thousands of researchers have signed a statement condemning Mr. Bush's science record.

He is a simple, misguided man.





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[FUNKMAN]

i stopped being afraid... 'no matter who is in' the rich get richer , the poor get poorer, and the retirement age for the 'working man' keeps going up, pretty soon you will have to work til your 80 years old in order to have adequate medical and prescription coverage...



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[Recyclerz]

He is a simple, misguided man.


Elegantly and eloquently put.


When you come right down to it, he's only done two things wrong:

1. Fucked up foreign policy by blowing up the multi-national agreements that all presidents have been assembling since WW2 through which we've been exerting our influence and benefiting ourselves (Yes - we benefit from the UN!) in the wrong-headed belief that we are so supremely powerful after winning the Cold War that we can act unilaterally any time we want; and

2. Fucked up domestic policy by cutting taxes for his supporters so dramatically that he has plunged the country into record deficits at exactly the time we should be paying down the existing debt to clean the country's balance sheet so when the Boomers start retiring and demanding more services from the gov't. they could be provided without jacking up taxes to 50%, 10 -15 years from now. Since most of the people on the board seem to be in their 20's you'd think they would be interested in W's buy now, pay later scheme.

But he's done some good things as well.

There's .....


Well, and then there's....


He's got two hot daughters.



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[JerryTaker]

Here's why you should be afraid....

If Bush continues to distance us from the UN and the rest of the world, what happens when Tony Blair is inevitably ousted from office? British Parliament, as well as the citizens disagree with him greatly on his alleigance with Bush, and if he goes, there goes the only major power ally we have, then what?

What if the UN declares what Bush is doing illegal?

What if they decide they want to do something about it?

You really think we can fight the rest of the world at once? What happens to us all when that happens?

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[Furtherman]

You really think we can fight the rest of the world at once? What happens to us all when that happens?


Exactly. Do you have any idea how old Chuck Norris is? 64!

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[TheMojoPin]

The collective age of Delta Force, Commando, Iron Eagle and Rambo is almost 300!

We're doomed!

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[whoopsy]

Exactly. Do you have any idea how old Chuck Norris is? 64!


funny shit, man, funny shit


If Bush continues to distance us from the UN and the rest of the world, what happens when Tony Blair is inevitably ousted from office? British Parliament, as well as the citizens disagree with him greatly on his alleigance with Bush, and if he goes, there goes the only major power ally we have, then what?


This is a point that is sorely overlooked. No doubt in my mind that whoever runs for British PM runs on an anti-Bush, anti-US-lackey platform and wins.

- whoopsy -

[Mike Teacher]

Like I was saying as to american apathy.

In the 2000, Election, each Candidate got essentially: 50 Million Votes:

Thats all the years of campaigning, straw polls, primaries, debates, campaign ads, TV shows all leading up to one day: Each Guy got 50 Million Votes. 100 Million votes, give or take.

Results (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/president/)

To Compare, 65 Million Votes were cast for fucking American Idol.

American Idol Results (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/26/american.idol.ap/)

Apples and Oranges for sure, but still, for me, it's pretty weird looking at those numbers; given we are, what 270 Million, are we 300 Mill yet? Ugh.

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[Se7en]

What if the UN declares what Bush is doing illegal?

They won't. For too many reasons to list here, not the least of which is that, financially, we pretty much run the U.N.

What if they decide they want to do something about it?

Like what? The U.N. is so dependent upon American resources that they couldn't do shit to us.

You really think we can fight the rest of the world at once?

We literally have the resources and the ability to do it.

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[FollowThisLogic]

What makes you think Kerry can mess things up MORE than W? George set the bar very high.
-Huge tax increase that will drive us back into a recession we're pulling out of... how do you expect him to pay for the $900 billion healthcare reform he plans? Repealing the tax cut for the rich? News flash - the entire tax cut, not just the part for the rich people, was about $1.4 trillion. The rest of the money for that, and all of the other bullshit social plans, will come right out of your pocket.

-He can talk big, he can play up his bullshit Vietnam record, but liberals have always been weak on defense. I'd rather not die in a suitcase nuke attack, thank you.

-Terrorists want Kerry to win, this is a fact. The reason is that he'll go easy on them. They want a president who will leave them alone, so they can spend more time plotting to kill us.



Can you tell me what countries, before the war, insisted that Iraq had no WMDs? You can't. Why? Because there weren't any.

Can you tell me that John Kerry insisted that Iraq had no WMDs? Sorry, nope, you can't. Because he insisted that they DID.

The rest of the world couldn't ostracize us. Their economies depend on us. A few embargos would change a lot of minds really fast.

Regarding the American Idol vote..... Kathleen Madigan says it best... if the government would make it so easy that you don't even need to leave the house to vote, they'd probably get a lot more.



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[NewYorkDragons80]

What makes you think Kerry can mess things up MORE than W? George set the bar very high.
-Huge tax increase that will drive us back into a recession we're pulling out of... how do you expect him to pay for the $900 billion healthcare reform he plans? Repealing the tax cut for the rich? News flash - the entire tax cut, not just the part for the rich people, was about $1.4 trillion. The rest of the money for that, and all of the other bullshit social plans, will come right out of your pocket.

-He can talk big, he can play up his bullshit Vietnam record, but liberals have always been weak on defense. I'd rather not die in a suitcase nuke attack, thank you.

-Terrorists want Kerry to win, this is a fact. The reason is that he'll go easy on them. They want a president who will leave them alone, so they can spend more time plotting to kill us.



Can you tell me what countries, before the war, insisted that Iraq had no WMDs? You can't. Why? Because there weren't any.

Can you tell me that John Kerry insisted that Iraq had no WMDs? Sorry, nope, you can't. Because he insisted that they DID.

The rest of the world couldn't ostracize us. Their economies depend on us. A few embargos would change a lot of minds really fast.
Holy Crap! Follow This Logic a fiscal conservative? Did NOT see this coming at all.

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[Recyclerz]

Can you tell me what countries, before the war, insisted that Iraq had no WMDs? You can't. Why? Because there weren't any.


Well, to be fair, Iraq DID kinda insist that. ;)

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[whoopsy]

You really think we can fight the rest of the world at once?

We literally have the resources and the ability to do it.



nobody's doubting we're the only superpower remaining, but US vs. world? 270 million vs. 6 billion? granted we have almost 40% of the world's weapons, but I can't see how we could wage war against the world and win.. unless we got canada on our side, then we'd have a fighting shot.

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[TheMojoPin]

I don't recall too many countries conclusively saying that Iraq did or did not have WMD's. The key point was that there wasn't enough evidence that they did to justify going to war AT THAT TIME.

We literally have the resources and the ability to do it.

Since when? Even the best estimates I've heard indicate that at the most we'd be able to fight active conflicts in, say, Iraq, Iran and Syria at the same time, and that's about it. Anything more would require a draft, unless that was just a caveat you assumed in the first place.

And on a global scale, we could never just dismiss the rest of the world, even if it just came to something like trade and supporting our economy. People like you love to brag about how our money runs everything, but look how dependent we are on so much of the rest of the world for shipping, distribution, resources and labor. If we pushed enough countries into a corner, what's to stop them from dismissing US? We're the powerhouse NOW, but all Bush is doing is actually giving the European Union a big international cause to finally push them together. If they start pulling in major Asian nations to some kind of trade/business alliance that minimizes or even excludes us, we ARE fucked, plain and simple...yet nobody gives a shit about this kind of scenario, because we're too obsessed with this insane, "our dick is bigger than everyone else's, and we're swinging it wherever the fuck we want because of 9/11"-mentality. Everyone says "we've been pushed too far"...well, you know what? So can the rest of the world. We don't have an unlimited supply of free passes.

-Huge tax increase that will drive us back into a recession we're pulling out of... how do you expect him to pay for the $900 billion healthcare reform he plans? Repealing the tax cut for the rich? News flash - the entire tax cut, not just the part for the rich people, was about $1.4 trillion. The rest of the money for that, and all of the other bullshit social plans, will come right out of your pocket.

This is an exact repeat, almost word for word, of what was griped about just before Clinton won back in '92. Didn't we learn ANYTHING from his eight years? Universal health care? Ain't gonna happen. NEVER gonna happen. It's a complete strawman argument for both sides, ironically enough...the Dems can promise it left and right and never get called on it because the costs ultimately prohibits it, and the Repubs can point to it as the epitome of everything that's wrong with "spend-crazy" Democrats. Like guns, like abortion, it's another supposedly "hot button" issue that neither side really has the balls to rock the boat over, yet we pretend every four years like somehow we're on the verge of some kind of change. Please.

-He can talk big, he can play up his bullshit Vietnam record, but liberals have always been weak on defense. I'd rather not die in a suitcase nuke attack, thank you.

You're equating defense spending (military) with intelligence funding. No president in his right mind would decrease intelligence funding post-9/11, because they'd be guarenteeing not being re-elected from the moment they did that. And he can't decrease military spending because Bush has locked us into Iraq for at least 3-5 years. Again, if Kerry tried major cuts while we had soldiers over there fighting and dying, he might as well put a gun to his head, since his odds for re-election would be about the same as if he were dead.

-Terrorists want Kerry to win, this is a fact. The reason is that he'll go easy on them. They want a president who will leave them alone, so they can spend more time plotting to kill us.

Call up the CIA, QUICK, because they could use your information pipeline into the terrorist networks. How would he "go easy" on them, and what purpose is served by doing so? Does he NOT WANT to get re-elected if he wins this first term? Staying at Bush's level of defense or increasing it is win-win...if nothing happens, he can just bullshit and say, "hey, n

[Yerdaddy]

Why are we arguing about whether we can beat the rest of the world in a war?

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[TheMojoPin]

'Cuz they look at us funny!

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[Bama]

I kind of like being on the offensive as far as presidents go.

I like being rightously indignant at everything Bush does. Tinfoil hats are cool too.

Defending a guy kind of sucks.


I vote for the guy that provides better material for Letterman. Where have you gone Dan Quayle?

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[monsterone]

honestly, either party will run the course. there is no real difference. both parties put 2 cities in major danger. both parties are sipping on cristal provided by major corps.

i have yet to hear kerry give concrete expainations to his promises; bush has yet to provide strategy to his plans.

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[Melrapuo]

Weren't we afraid of the 2000 election too? Even though it took us like a month to figure out who won that one.

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[monsterone]

you know we're screwed when the grand old party has more enigmatic speakers than the dems, and the dems would rather have obama run over their candidate.

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[SatCam]

Here's what I'm seeing:

If Bush wins: Troops suffer in Iraq, Bush gives tax cuts to everyone, Bush tries unsuccessfully to get jobs back (bills will be passed but they will fail)

If Kerry wins: Troops will be brought back but the whole ordeal will be done with no regard and complete incompetence, Kerry repeals tax cuts from rich (I guess that means himself?), Kerry tries unsuccessfully to get jobs back (bills will fail in the house).

Outside of the White House, the Republicans are a pretty strong party. To people who pay attention to only national politics, they see Republicans as dirty scumbags. These people see John Kerry as the light at the end of the tunnel, even if this guy is a 150 pounder holding back 1 million gallons of water from flowing in.

Here's the deal: Kerry is overplayed and somehow the best man for the job because he served a few years in Vietnam (he later discharged and bashed the administration for an unethical war)
Bush sent troops into Iraq for no peticular reason. He has yet to take them out...

We're fucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!

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