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blakjeezis
07-19-2004, 01:06 PM
The next person who says something about religion and war like, "How much blood has been spilled in the name of God?" is going to be mocked and ridiculed by me to no end. I have had enough of this pseudo-intellectual, cliche, religion bashing. Don't get me wrong, there are problems with religion, but the whole war argument is just plain stupid.
Religion is not the cause of war. Human arrogance is the cause of war. All of it; every war, battle, skirmish, and conflict in human history boils down to 'our group' is better than 'their group', our beliefs are truer than their beliefs, we're more entitled to their land, natural resources, wealth, etc. than they are. The problem is that religion happens to be an effective tool to tap into the darker side of human nature. But it is certainly not the only one. By the logic of 'religion causes war', if there were no religion there would be no war. Let's take a look:
The Civil War, the bloodiest conflict in US history - no religious motivation whatsoever.
WWI - Nothing to do with religion.
WWII - Nothing to do with religion.
They were both because the Germans are fucking insane. In fact I'm really having trouble thinking of any conflict whatsoever, with the exception of maybe the Crusades and they ended 800 years ago, that could have been avoided if religion didn't exist.
Religion is and has been the single most important institution in the establishment and maintaining of human civilization. Are some religions outdated? Absolutely, most of the major ones actually. Are they too slow to change and adapt to the times? Yes. Do they cause wars? A resounding NO!
That is all. We now resume your regularly scheduled broadcast.
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Yerdaddy
07-19-2004, 01:09 PM
So, how much blood has been spilled in the name of God?
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Iamnotatool
07-19-2004, 01:09 PM
Yes, but Jeezus, how many people have been killed in the name of saurkraut???
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07-19-2004, 01:10 PM
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blakjeezis
07-19-2004, 01:15 PM
So, how much blood has been spilled in the name of God?
Mocking and ridiculing . . .
(See, the elipsis means it continues forever.)
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07-19-2004, 01:15 PM
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Furtherman
07-19-2004, 01:17 PM
The smartest and brightest people that live and have ever lived will agree. Religion is illogical, considering there is no god or allah or whatever higher being you can slap on a t-shirt. We're all just little strands of vibrating energy strings.
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Yerdaddy
07-19-2004, 01:18 PM
OK, I'm sorry I mocked and ridiculed. (The period marks the terminus.)
But, on a serious note, how much pus has been spilled in the name of god? (The period lied...)
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blakjeezis
07-19-2004, 01:22 PM
The smartest and brightest people that live and have ever lived will agree. Religion is illogical, considering there is no god or allah or whatever higher being you can slap on a t-shirt. We're all just little strands of vibrating energy strings.
Ummm yeah. So?
(Although I think if you look at what, hmmm let's say, Newton and Galileo, the first 2 bright guys that popped into my head, had to say about it, you would find that statement to be wrong.)
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Mike Teacher
07-19-2004, 01:22 PM
Crusades
The Dark ages
[specifically between the burning of the Libraries at Alexandria and the Renaissance]
Conquistadores
Missionaries
The Final Solution
Galileo and Bruno and Tynsdale
The Inquisition
The debacle in Ireland
Clinic Shootings and bombings...
if not wars, there is some blood shed occasionally because of religious beliefs.
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I would agree religion in general takes the blame, and the blame rests with small groups of followers, not the religion.
My opinion? Science and religion are exactly the same in this way; they can be used for great good and great bad. Each is a double edge.
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Yerdaddy
07-19-2004, 01:22 PM
Religion is illogical
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Melrapuo
07-19-2004, 01:24 PM
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Mike Teacher
07-19-2004, 01:25 PM
The smartest and brightest people that live and have ever lived will agree. Religion is illogical, considering there is no god or allah or whatever higher being you can slap on a t-shirt. We're all just little strands of vibrating energy strings.
Well, that puts me outside of That group!
Perhaps religion is illogical. So is Life.
No God? For me, strict Atheism is as much an act of faith as the true believer.
and those vibrating energy strings? Do they come in grape?
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Furtherman
07-19-2004, 01:31 PM
Monty Python had it right. Religion is an excellent topic for satire and ridicule. The whole thing is really funny when you think about it - but I believe George Carlin already brillantly put that into words.
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Yerdaddy
07-19-2004, 01:41 PM
Although I think if you look at what Newton and Galileo, the first 2 bright guys that popped into my head, had to say about it, you would find that statement to be wrong.
And Socrates, Aristotle, Einstein, most of the Founding Fathers, Benny Hill, Leonardo da Vinci, Ruth Buzzy, Copernicus, etc. But, to be fair: 1. most of them didn't have the opportunity to ponder the works of Darwin, Einstein, ( I think Einstein did though), Hawkings and other contemporary thinkers about the nature of man and the universe; 2. Many of the greatest minds lived under the shadow of the church's authority to have their works suppressed, or to have them punished or killed for heresy; 3. Most of them were independent thinkers who's contributions were often conflicted with doctrines of the church, and many of them, (Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and others) were openly hostile to organized religions; and 4. We still have yet to ponder the question: "What if God were one of us? just a slob like one of us?"
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Furtherman
07-19-2004, 01:48 PM
Many of the greatest minds lived under the shadow of the church's authority to have their works suppressed, or to have them punished or killed for heresy; 3. Most of them were independent thinkers who's contributions were often conflicted with doctrines of the church, and many of them, (Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and others) were openly hostile to organized religions
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07-19-2004, 01:57 PM
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07-19-2004, 02:27 PM
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07-19-2004, 02:43 PM
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BoondockSaint
07-19-2004, 02:51 PM
No blood has ever been spilled in the name of my God, Ralph:
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WRESTLINGFAN
07-19-2004, 03:15 PM
Black Jeezis raises a good point on this one. Yes the Crusades Inquisition and other religious wars, struggles killed many people but more people have been killed in the name of the state IE fascism, Mao's Cultural Revolution, and in the USSR under Stalin 20 million people were wiped out.
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Reephdweller
07-19-2004, 03:16 PM
No blood has ever been spilled in the name of my God, Ralph
Ralph? I thought Howard be thy name.
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07-19-2004, 03:23 PM
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PanterA
07-19-2004, 04:17 PM
Ben Afflick would disagree
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07-19-2004, 04:20 PM
Gahh what an abortion of a movie. Dogma = proof there is no god.
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07-19-2004, 05:49 PM
Ugh...why does Galactus have a big G on his chest...since when would an omnipotent planet eating deity resort to such a tacky costume..
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reeshy
07-19-2004, 06:10 PM
Religion is not the cause of war.
At the risk of being ridiculed and hounded by you, I must respectfully disagree. Even the moslem radicals would argue with you. I'm of Irish descent and have first hand knowledge of the troubles in Northern Ireland. Yea, I know, some will tell you it;s just a war between Ireland and england but alot of the people involved in the conflict will tell you it's because some one is an Anglican and the other one is a Roman Catholic!!
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07-19-2004, 06:24 PM
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07-19-2004, 06:50 PM
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fluffernutter
07-19-2004, 07:59 PM
The next person who says something about religion and war ................... to the times? Yes. Do they cause wars? A resounding NO!
In all seriousness my friend:
AMEN!
Let me buy you a beer.
Now in all non-seriousness, this needed to be done as well:
Conquistadores
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BandofBrothers
07-19-2004, 08:14 PM
Uhh unless I'm mistaken, the Germans' warplan was to include the final solution against the jewish people, and middle eastern terrorists who have religious vendettas with us have pledged a jihad against the us ex: 9/11.
B.o.B.
Do they cause wars? A resounding NO!
Just wait. I have a horrible feeling we're on our way to one.
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reeshy
07-19-2004, 08:33 PM
Just wait. I have a horrible feeling we're on our way to one.
I brieflly commented on that earlier, HBOX!!!!!
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07-20-2004, 11:50 AM
We're all just little strands of vibrating energy strings.
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07-20-2004, 11:57 AM
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