Hi Definition TV

[Marist Mike]

My father just got the digital cable and got some channels with the high definition cable....to be perfectly honest I don't really see much of a difference between the high def and regular tv.....anybody have anything to say on this....

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[mikeyboy]

I assume he has a high-def TV. Just having digital cable with high definition channels isn't enough to see shows in high definition. There's definitely a pretty sizable difference, especially if you're watching on a plasma screen. There are sporting events and nature shows where the clarity of the picture is amazing.

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[mothershucker]

Yes Mike, I do have something to say. Are you a blind man? Hi def is SOOOOO much better then a regular T.V. it is hard to believe you do not see the difference.

I shucked it, and I shucked it, and I shucked it, i'm quite the mother shucker

This message was edited by mothershucker on 7-10-04 @ 6:47 PM

[Mike Teacher]

What you're watching must be braodcast, or formatted for Hi-Def line resolution, and the TV has to not just be 'HD-TV' ready; that measn it has the screen but not the converter to up that line resolution to Hi-Def.

Not too many H-Def broadcasts last time I checked. Ironically, one of the best ways to get HDTV? Get the $49 Radio Shack Roof TV Antenna. On some channels for some shows [Leno or Letterman or both I believe are avail as HDTV] HDTV is being blasted out of Manhattan, in the air, no cable, and all ya needs is the stuff to grab it.

Also; it's a weakest link thing; cables, signal path; splitters, converters, and Most importantly and Most Ignored; people don't set up their TVs.

There are DVDs, one is called 'Video Essentials' that have test patterns and other cool things to adjust your brightness, contrast, etc. Amazing how some TVs are shipped; Waaaay too bright, coz people watch TV like a TV, and not like a Movie.

Big difference in lighting, but that's another story...

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[TheKnicks23]

especially if you're watching on a plasma screen

Actually that is not true. Traditionally Plasmas offer some of the WORST pictures in the HDTV department. It goes like this: CRT-DLP-LCD-RPTV-Plasma or something very similar to that with CRT always being #1.

If you don't see a difference, like Mike suggested try using "Digital Video Essential" or an Avia calibration disc to tweak the set. A calibrated HDTV and a non calibrated one is night and day.

Also stations like Fox actually broadcast in 480p or "Enhanced Definition" but still call it HDTV even though it is not. Unless the stations are broadcasting in 720p or 1080i you won't see much of a difference. Also, regular tv will mostly look like crap on an HDTV.

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[fluffernutter]

I am loving the hell out of my Comcast Digital TV WITH HD!
Six Feet Under looks awesome! Phillies baseball and the last of the Stanley Cup and NBA Finals were amazing! I mean from blue line to blue line and a good 3/4 of the court was great! I just can't WAIT for football! That is going to be some insane shit. There is this other chanel called INHD which has been showing quite a bit of baseball (mostly Red Sox games) and Discovery HD type programming. Really superb quality stuff.

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[schmega]

Actually that is not true. Traditionally Plasmas offer some of the WORST pictures in the HDTV department. It goes like this: CRT-DLP-LCD-RPTV-Plasma or something very similar to that with CRT always being #1.

the only reason crt's look the 'best' is because its generally lower resolution is masking all the imperfections. its the least futureproof of all the displays, and its not truely digital.

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[murfee]

mike i am a cable guy in nyc ti really get the benefits of hdtv you have to get a hd cable box


joe poo ruulz and bring ron
and fez back to nyc damm it

[Mike Teacher]

can i get free cable?

I meant I'm pretty sure, at least in the past, HDTV signals were indeed being emitted a tower somewhere; if I'm wrong I'm Wrongy Wrongerton.

What I really want is the old Screw Show with Al Goldstein; is he still on?

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[TheKnicks23]

Sorry Schmega but you don't know what you're talking about. Any true videophile would choose a CRT or especially a Sony XBR over any other market televsion. The new Sony XBR's offer 1400 lines of resolution which is higher than anything besides the HD3 DLP chips which aren't even out yet.

And somehow because the tv is huge and not flat its not digital or futureproof? Your comment on it not being fully digital makes no sense. CRT HDTVs play 720p and 1080i signals, both "DIGITAL".

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[Mike Teacher]

choose a CRT or especially a Sony XBR over any other market televsion.


researched That purchase back in, wow, anyway it was so far back when I asked for the widescreen XBR they had to special order it.

For me, its simple physics. I had this elsewhere; but for me CRTs just shoot out hi-intensity, hi brightness, color saturated photons and are viewable from a very wide angle, and LCDs and the others, as of yet, don't.

The flat screen for me, is just psychological. For some reason when I see a curved screen, no matter what I'm watching, some part of my brain says 'it's TV' and I cant suspend my disbelief. Stupid, I know.

Just as important though, sounds like most here know already, is trying to get True Blacks on the Screen. [wow there's a sentence that can be twisted].

The Brightness feature is supposed to be called the Blackness level or something like that, and it gets ratcheted up coz people watch TV in bright light, but when you watch TV like you watch a movie; you want that brightness as Far Down as Possible; to a standard set by those Reference DVDs. If you keep the brightness up the phosphors starts spilling out and you get Blooming and the sharpness takes a dive and it's a shit picture.

It really sucks to have to study this shit to get a real picture, one that shows what a Kick Ass DVD can Really look like.

[Ed. Study = essentially getting the 'Video Essentials DVD' and watching it a few times; its a Must.]

Link with all sorts of cool TV info and pics. (http://www.videoessentials.com/)

I just got the 'Extreme DVD' of T2 and it looks like, well, its just A-fucking-Mazing.

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Oh, and Black and White movies RULE

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This message was edited by Mike Teacher on 7-10-04 @ 10:12 PM

[schmega]

Sorry Schmega but you don't know what you're talking about. Any true videophile would choose a CRT or especially a Sony XBR over any other market televsion. The new Sony XBR's offer 1400 lines of resolution which is higher than anything besides the HD3 DLP chips which aren't even out yet.

And somehow because the tv is huge and not flat its not digital or futureproof? Your comment on it not being fully digital makes no sense. CRT HDTVs play 720p and 1080i signals, both "DIGITAL".

NO crt does true 720p, only 1080i. crt's are analog, plain and simple. it doesnt matter what sony's got, if its a tube, its still analog, and its still gonna be outpaced by all the others in the near future. and it doesnt matter who's making the tube, crt's will ALWAYS be geometrically imperfect.

go educate yourself. (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1591241,00.asp)

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[TheKnicks23]

OK, CRTs upconvert 720p to 1080i, but they still accept a 720p signal. I won't get into a fight about which is better, but 1080i is pretty much the standard in HDTV and thats not going to change. 1080p takes up too much bandwith for cable companies to send out so its very unlikely that 1080i will be dethroned as the standard for HDTV.

There is a lot of truth to the fact of CRTs being geometrically imperfect, however that can be easily adjusted on most sets and is extremely un-noticable to the average eye anyway.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but the fact is RIGHT NOW CRT is king. There is a very good chance that LCOS or DLPs could pass them in the future but at this point CRTs offer the best picture. Plasmas are still bad with burn in and LCDs are still bad with refresh rates. Also Plasmas and LCDs have fixed pixel rates which results in anything but the native resolution looking like crap.

Quote all these things from that website about them being analog, but the fact is with the same exact signal a CRT has a better looking picture than any other type of TV. We're not talking in the future, we're talking now.

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[schmega]

i'm not disagreeing with the fact that RIGHT NOW, at this very moment, crt's are preferable to most people. but this is hdtv, something for today AND tomorrow. the bandwidth for 720p will be there by the time hdtv becomes the standard. and even if thats not the case, you will want 720p for hd-dvd. plasma burn-in is overblown, and lcd response times are improving dramatically on a yearly basis.

if you want something nice for the next 3-4 years, then crt's the way to go. but its reached its peak. the future is flatter, lighter, consumes less power, and digital

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