Country Music is dying....

[El Mudo]

I gotta go off on a rant here...

I grew up with Country Music, and I love it as much as anyone could. If you're ever feeling bad, or lonely, theres nothing better than a good country song that feels your pain.

But something has happened to my beloved genre of music. Its been taken over (or as I like to put it "infected") by douchebags like

this (www.kennychesney.com)

and this (www.emersondrive.com)

and this (www.lonestar.mu)

and this (www.rascalflatts.com)

and this (www.shania-twain.com)

and this (http://www.bigandrich.com/index2.jsp)

I could go on and on...theres a million of them out there, spewing their pop garbage. Hell, it seems as if mainstream country music has become the official music of middle aged women who enjoy "soft rock", and that sucks

Country has gone off on pop tangents before, like in the late 60's and early 70's it was pretty bad before guys like Waylon and the "Outlaws" came around. In the early 80's we had "urban cowboy" and guys like George Strait and Dwight Yoakam saved us all again...

But this time, I don't see it ever coming out of this pop tangent. The guys who sing traditional today are either old(Strait), slowly sliding into pop oblivion with Jimmy Buffet(Alan Jackson), have already slid into pop oblivion(Clint Black's first couple albums were GREAT until he met his hack actress wife and started doing crummy duets with her), or have basically written off the genre all together and are doing other things (I love Yoakam, but i wish he wouldn't spend so much time directing and put out more new music)

This is a really depressing topic for me, like i said, i grew up listening to good country music, and now i have to look three times as hard as i should to find it, and that sucks...

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This message was edited by El Mudo on 6-29-04 @ 12:41 AM

[TheMojoPin]

It's been dead for over a decade now.

Country music used to be about rebellion, defiance, violence, misery, depression...all the darkest parts of life.

Now it's all ballads about how great life is and the flag.

The musical genre that used to be the epitome of "outlaw" and sang AGAINST the man, now sings FOR the man.

Very sad.

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[ChickenHawk]

Country music was NEVER good... no matter WHAT it was about.


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[TheMojoPin]

Bullshit. It used to be a great genre. It made rock 'n' roll.

Like any other genre, you go buy the stuff that makes the chart, of course it looks like shit to an "outsider."

Safe bet is to go for the "alt.country" stuff. It's not as twang-y.

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[El Mudo]

Its not like people don't want to hear the stuff...remember how good the "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack did? And most of that was by word-of-mouth, most of it got NO airplay what so ever....and yet no one in Nashville wants to put out anything that sounds too "traditional"

They have a "Fan Fair" down in Nashville that used to be Standing Room Only every year. It was almost impossible to get tickets...

Now they can't give them away...No one shows up any more...

There was a good article about it on takecountryback.com a while ago...i dont know if its still up

I think im going to go listen to some of my old Dwight records and reminisce

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[Se7en]

I'm not feeling what you're trying to say, Mojo.

So, if more country music stars would start singing anti-establishment songs, that'd bring the genre back? How about Steve Earle, then, he recently did a song that supported the "American Taliban" John Walker Lind, or some such garbage.

I agree that most of the country stuff out today is pure crap, but don't act as if all of the old school country was good. Johnny Cash, yeah. Patsy Cline and Jim Reeves, absolutely. But a good portion of the old school stuff sucked.

And technically, wasn't the "O Brother..." stuff bluegrass rather than straight up country?

If you ask me, the start of all of this pop country bullshit was Garth Brooks. He's the one who started branching out into the mainstream, and as a result we have all of this nonsense today.

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[The Nature Boy]

The problem as I see it, and I might get slammed for this, much like NASCAR, it's become a refuge for white people. Something so anti-urban that you are assured of being around some crackers when you partake in it. Mainstream music is far too urban/rap oriented, good luck seeing more than one white rock act on MTV every two hours or so. There are the token Good Charlotte's, but what's a 20something white person who doesn't dig rap grooves to listen to? They turn to country by default, but their ear isn't tuned for it, and they gravititate towards pop oriented stuff, resulting in a Darwinian evolution where crappy pop country is rewarded over stuff that would skew old school or even alt. Country. If rock gets revitalized, country will by proxy as well.

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[JohnnyCash]

Its not the same as the country music from years ago. Mojo's right. It once was about rebellion and depression and today its all about the flag and driving pick-ups. I cant listen to any of it. But I dont think todays Country music is dying. There are still great old singers putting out some really great albums. You really have to stick with the classic artists. I kinda consider all this crap like Travis Tritt and Shania Twain Alt-Country. Its just a bastardized version of the real thing.

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[TheMojoPin]

So, if more country music stars would start singing anti-establishment songs, that'd bring the genre back? How about Steve Earle, then, he recently did a song that supported the "American Taliban" John Walker Lind, or some such garbage.

No. Being blatantly anti-"the man" is as bad and lame as being blatantly pro-"the man."

I'm saying that country music used to be mostly about "darker" themes, like the ones I mentioned in my first post. It spoke to the baser human instincts...the things most of us won't or can't do...but it's always in the back of our mind. That's not to say country can't cover other topics, even ones more optimistic. Look at Cash as the example, as I'm sure you already do.

Basically, good country comes from the heart, the soul or the gut. These modern "country" singers don't seem to have any of those things. It's all soulless.

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Thank fucking God, what took it so long?

I shucked it, and I shucked it, and I shucked it, i'm quite the mother shucker

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country gone pop

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[ChickenHawk]

Jazz and blues started rock and roll. Country music was just its gay cousin.


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[JohnnyCash]

I agree that most of the country stuff out today is pure crap, but don't act as if all of the old school country was good. Johnny Cash, yeah. Patsy Cline and Jim Reeves, absolutely. But a good portion of the old school stuff sucked.


I dont agree. Add Marty Robbins, Merle Haggard, Loretta Lynn, Bobby Bare, Hank Williams Sr. and Jr., Carl Perkins, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Eddy Arnold and there are lots more to put on that list. They are classics. The old school country IS country.


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[TheMojoPin]

Jazz and blues started rock and roll.

You're half right, but only if you include "blues" as part of R&B, as in "rhythm & blues." Jazz has less than zero to do with rock 'n' roll, or really ANY other genre...even hip-hop. It's a nerdy beast unto itself.

Rock 'n' roll was birthed of the union between so-called "rockabilly" (Basically just fast-played "traditional" country) and R&B. It was a bastard child, but damn, was it sexy.

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[dcpete]

there is still some traditional country/bluegrass out there, just not incredably mainstream. if you into this type of music i'ld definately recommend the new band Old Crow Medicine Show, their a little bit on the bluegrass end of the spectrum but they cover alot of standards and their original stuff hold up.

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and:

In its purest form, Rock & Roll has three chords, a strong, insistent back beat, and a catchy melody. Early rock & roll drew from a variety of sources, primarily blues, R&B, and country, but also gospel, traditional pop, jazz, and folk. All of these influences combined in a simple, blues-based song structure that was fast, danceable, and catchy. The first wave of rock & rollers - Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Bo Diddley, Bill Haley, Gene Vincent, the Everly Brothers, and Carl Perkins, among many others - set the template for rock & roll that was followed over the next four decades

I see a heck of lot of country artists on that list--Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Bill Haley, Carl Perkins.

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[stickyfingers]

I kinda consider all this crap like Travis Tritt and Shania Twain Alt-Country.



don't put those two in the same category. Tritt is a very good COUNTRY singer. Sure, its not the same as Hank Sr./Jr. or Bill Monroe. But, nevertheless he can't even be put in the same category as Ms. Twain as far as being un-country goes.

Tritt songs that i enjoy:

-Country Club
-Anymore
-More than You'll Ever Know
-Foolish Pride

Here you will find no "Man, I feel like a Woman"s




Also, i don't think I like her music all that well but this Gretchen Wilson is something else.



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[JimBeam]

First of all you have to filter anybody out that says " all country sucks'.
Thats the same lame response that people ise when asked what kinda music they like : " Anything but country or rap ".

I grew up in NY but went to college in Louisiana. I had never even thought about listening to it before I was surrounded by it.
I started listening in the early 90's right when it made its " revival ".
Clint Black, Garth Brooks and Dwight Yoakum were the new blood.
As much as Garth Brooks was given credit for bringing country " back " he's at fault for ruining it.
He made it too poppy.His earky stuff was really good but his later stuff sucked balls.
Clint Black had stayed consistent but lost his way somewhere ( maybe the previous poster was right about the marriage thing ) along the line.

But I dont think that country music is more about " rebellion " as it is a cultural identifier. It is and always will be huge in the south.

There are plenty of charlatans out there that pass themselves off a s country singers that are no more country than Wilson Phillips, Roxette or any sorry pop group.
First and foremost is Faith Hill. She hasnt had a country song in about 10 years.
She did away with her high hair, sang sappy soundtrack lovesongs and all of a sudden she was a genius.
She's on record as saying she doesnt wanna identify her music as country or not because she doesnt like labels.I have a better explanation.
She couldnt break ties with country because then she becomes a pop singer like the types I previously mentioned. The average pop singer's career is very short lived.
Much the opposite the country fan is very loyal and will buy an album from an artist at any time.
Country fans arent as fickle as pop/mainstream fans.
She knows that if she stays in the country fold she'll continue to make money.
I cant stand to hear her warble on about nothing.
I think she sings the same song everytime.
I like Shania Twain, but she's becoming more like Hill. She's starting to slip away from country as well.
She may have some catchy tunes but then she drops an awful, shitty ballad.
I think a lot of it has to do with their looks. Since both are hot they are easily marketable.

Now that skank Sheryl Crow is trying to fall into country because she cant sell records or sell out a concert if she played in a broom closet.

They also have this new female singer that is hot, Gretchen Wilson, that is trying to be the anti-Faith Hill in a way. She's singing about being a " redneck woman " who perfers beer to champagne. I'm sure there are plenty of women that prefer a beer to champagne, thats no indicator of being country.
I also have a problem about how in one verse of her song she says she has " posters on her wall of Skynard, Kid and Strait ". Now since Kid Rock is in the video with Hank Jr she's obvioulsy talking about him. How do you put a classic southern rock group and a classic country singer in the same mix with a guy from Detroit who sings that awful rap/rock mix ?

You dont see the
" crossover " into pop it as much with male singers.
Although Keith Urban and Brad Paisely are heading down that road.

To me country, since I've been listening, has always gone through waves.
Sometimes there are good artists and other times there is nonsense.

Allison Krauss is an under-rated female country singer. She sings a lot of bluegrass but I would consider her a country singer.

There are still a lot of good country singers/groups out there.

Sorry that was my rant.


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[Hottub]

I remember the only stretch I really listened to country was in the early eighties.
The Oak Ridge Boys
Alabama
Waylon
Willie
The Gatlin's

So I really don;t have much of a refence to either old country, or new pop country. But at least I tried it for a while and didn't hate it.

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Blues electrified + country + gospel? A good mix for Rock.

To me; it all goes back to the blues, then back to Senegal and points east.



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Being radio friendly doesn't bother me as it does some people here.

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Oh, and RUN to some record store and get the Elvis Presley Sun Sessions. He was never better. Get them in mono, as they were menat to be, too.

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[Bama]

I just heard some country song about a guy drinking himself to death because some woman left him.

That's as traditional as it gets.

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[Se7en]

Perhaps the most damning evidence against modern day country music: Kenny Chesney, one of the top country male vocalists, recently did a song with Uncle Kracker.

UNCLE KRACKER.

Unforgivable.

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[Freakshow]

Now Playin' country music
it ain't like it used to be
I'm so tired of this new stuff
they're tryin' to get me to sing
That ain't no country music to me

Well, you can only take so much
of putting people down
when you got the best,
that's tryin' to beat your back doors down

Well, I used to think that country
was out of Nashville Tennessee
but all I see in Nashville,
is a bunch of backstabbers takin' you and me
They don't care about the music ya see

Well, I used to think that country
was out of Nashville, Tennessee
I'd rather take my things and
go back to Texas ya see

Now, I would pack up
and I'd leave this dirty town
but they've done taken me for so much
that I can't get out now
Maybe one day but not right now

Well, I used to think that country
was out of Nashville, Tennessee
I don't think that country's here
'cause they killed it ya see


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[JohnnyCash]

Oh, and RUN to some record store and get the Elvis Presley Sun Sessions. He was never better.

I second that.

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[JimBeam]

To continue the Uncle Cracker conspiracy, they were playing his version of Drift Away on the country video stations.

?????

Toby Keith has a lot of good songs, but the one way that he's killing me is with all the " patriotic " songs.
I mean not to sound like a communist or anything, but enough already.

Alan Jackson ( Where Were You ) and Aaron Tippin ( Stars & Stripes ) did the best post-9/11 country songs.

I have balls !!!

[Gvac]

At its best, country music is "white people's soul", as I once heard Sam Moore say. At its worst, it's pop with a Southern drawl. Unfortunately, the majority of country music being pumped out at the present time falls into the latter category.

I'll gladly send anyone a few choice MP3s if they're willing to be converted into country fans.

You've been warned.

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Country Music is dying

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[smiler grogan]

Every genre of music that becomes popular will be stripped of its true essence then manipulated and exploited by the recording industry, until it's bled dry then tossed aside for the next genre.

[Hottub]

Every genre of music that becomes popular will be stripped of its true essence then manipulated and exploited by the recording industry, until it's bled dry then tossed aside for the next genre.


Grogan, excellent point. Look at metal, after the hair bands (which I take no offence to..)
and then "grunge/ Seattle.
Also when hip-hop replaced rap. Give me run DMC, Public Eneny, NWA, etc any day over P-Diddy, Chingy, Jay-Z...

I also remember the death of "rock" When WPLJ thought it was OK to play "Beat it" because Eddy did the solo, Then Prince, then Mariah Carey...

ECCHHH!

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Back in the late 70's and early 80's I used to listen to WHN 1050 on the AM dial. Excellent country station

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[Se7en]

Trashville by Hank III (with Billy Gibbons)


UGH.

You know, I didn't think that there could be someone out there who could disgrace the legacy of the great Hank Williams worse than Hank Jr., UNTIL we were introduced to Hank the third.

And is that a rare appearance by Gvac I see?

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[TheMojoPin]

For a brief period a few years back, it seemed rock and country were coming back together. You had groups like Uncle Tupelo/Wilco and Whiskeytown really making albums that were a true blend of "classic" country and garage rock. But now both acts (With the latter just becoming Ryan Adams solo), and most of the bands like them, have drifted well over into the "rock" genre.

Oh well. Those three Whiskeytown albums are still perfect.

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[Freakshow]

You know, I didn't think that there could be someone out there who could disgrace the legacy of the great Hank Williams worse than Hank Jr., UNTIL we were introduced to Hank the third.

you want to expand on this, a little bit?

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[DarkHippie]

So, if more country music stars would start singing anti-establishment songs, that'd bring the genre back? How about Steve Earle, then, he recently did a song that supported the "American Taliban" John Walker Lind, or some such garbage.

No. Being blatantly anti-"the man" is as bad and lame as being blatantly pro-"the man."

I'll take it that neither of you have ever heard "John Walker's Blues" It neither defends nor condems him, rather is a song told from his point of view (a classic country motif, unless you really believe that Johnny cash shot a man in reno just to watch him die)

As for Country, any Genre is dead in the mainstream. mainstream is what people with no taste listen to. But there is great shit out there for the pickens. Hell, Loretta Lynn just cut an album produced by Jack White of all people! Roseanne Cash's album last year was great, so was Rodney Crowell's.

Austin is probably the hottest music scene in america. Country isn't dead, you just have to look for it.



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[El Mudo]

so was Rodney Crowell's.



I liked "Fate's Right Hand"...but not as much as I liked the "Houston Kid".

But I would say both were better than "Diamonds and Dirt", which had five number one hits on it...

I agree that the music is out there, but its a pain in the ass to look for it, i know that sounds lazy as hell, and i guess if i settle for crap im going to get crap...I did find some good albums last year, along with "Fate's Right Hand" I loved "Run that by me one more time" by Willie Nelson and Ray Price...

Maybe thats why I'm starting to branch off into bluegrass more and more(I really like the Del McCoury band, and Allison Krauss featuring Union Station)

I'm still a Yoakam guy at heart tho, have been for as long as I can remember. As I pointed out earlier, he just keeps on putting out covers and stuff already on his boxx set, even though he did put out "Population: Me" last year(featuring my future wedding song "The back of your hand") which was pretty much a glorified EP featuring, "the late great golden state", which i think is a good song about the evils of modern mainstream country music..

**In the late great golden state,
It's getting hard to negotiate.
When you're one slip from a grim fate,
In the late great golden state.

In the late great golden state,
I don't do much but I'm always late.
I ain't old just out of date,
In the late great golden state.

I caught one last glimpse of a Palomino.
When I drove out west to see the purple sage.
Then as the canyons burned and the mountains crumbled,
The last cowboy band left the stage.

I ain't old just out of date,
In the In the late great golden state.

I caught one last glimpse of a Palomino.
When I drove out west to see the purple sage.
Then as the canyons burned and the mountains crumbled,
The last cowboy band left the stage.


Yeah, the late great golden state,
Is a nice place for a clean slate.
But leave your expectations at the gate,
Of the late great golden state.

They can pack you up and send you home in a crate,
Stamped the late great golden state.**


If you wanna hear a really great old school type great country song, find a copy of Yoakam's "South of Cincinnati"


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This message was edited by El Mudo on 7-2-04 @ 12:47 AM

[JimBeam]

Back Of Your Hand is a real good song.

It was actually Dwight Yoakums " Your The One " that got me into country back in the early 90's.

I know that its really tough to try and define a musical genre as in how it " should " sound , but I think in order to be country music its gotta have a steel guitar or a mandolin.

I have balls !!!

[Borne Too Loose]

Country music hasn't been anything respectable in Ages. to be country now means you twang both your voices andyour guitar, wear big hats with scruffy cheeks and loud shirts. Its about as much to do with music as disco was/is.

Country was, is, and ALWAYS WILL BE AN ATTITUDE. It's the original Punk Rock.

Gimme Hank Williams, Johnny Thunders, Iggy Pop, and Johnny Cash, a case of Whiskey, and we'll all go run down goofy Toby Keith in his dumbass Ford.

Angry American my ass. I'm an Angry Music Fan.

Suck It, Kenny Chesney.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

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[Borne Too Loose]

Gold, SKW, effin' Gold.

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AIM: BorneTooLoose or Sickboy4755
Big Ass 24651, and Don't You Forget It.
"All I Have In This World, Are My Balls and My Word, and I Don't Break 'em for Nobody."