Official Spiderman 2 Hype thread

[Teenweek]

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3 more days until it opens. Seeing it next Saturday. Damn work. I am so psyched for this movie

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[Meve]

once again after being bombarded by countless trailers and previews, I feel as though I've see the whole movie and I've lost my enthusiasm for it... oh well, I'll eventually seee it.

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[ADF]

It won't beat Shrek 2, that's for sure!

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Looks like it will be good.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

I'll be seeing it tomorrow night... I got into an advance screening. From a friend, he said it rocks and it's better than the first.



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Just out of curiousity, how DO you edit the size of the picture?

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To edit the size of a picture, type the following code...

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450 is the widest a pic can be without disrupting the page layout.

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Do not put official in your thread title unless you get permission from a mod. I'll let it go this time.

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[phixion]

seeing it tuesday at the midnight show then i will go home and play it on my cube. this way to game wont ruin the movie like the first game ruined the first movie.

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[Teenweek]

Do not put official in your thread title unless you get permission from a mod. I'll let it go this time.



That is why I wrote the word hype, not just Spiderman 2 thread. A new one can start on Wednesday to talk about the movie.

[mikeyboy]

Yeah, that's just what we need -- multiple Spiderman 2 threads.

Also, I think you're missing the point, regardless of whether the thread is about the movie or the hype, "official" isn't supposed to be part of the title absent mod permission.

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[Teenweek]

sorry. :)

[Marist Mike]

Quite honestly I don't know what looks better the movie or the game

[Marist Mike]

Quite honestly I don't know what looks better the movie or the game

[El Mudo]

I'm more excited about the Original 1967 Spiderman cartoon being released on DVD Tuesday...all 52 episodes...



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I'm so so sick of seeing the trailer every 5 minutes.....I'll see it but not on openning night.

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[curtoid]

It won't beat Shrek 2, that's for sure!

Not if me and Fez and Ron all buy ten tickets each to each and every show from when it opens to Labor day...going to see you eat a shoe! Going to see you eat a shoe!!!

I am looking forward to this, but I'm going to wait until next Sunday and see it with my god kid and his girlfriend at the Uptown Theatre - then we go down to see the fireworks.



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[canofsoup15]

I never though the first one was that good. Chances are I'm not going to with this one either. Don't get me wrong I used to be a big spiderman fan, but something about Toby McGuire playing spiderman killed it, that and the fact that they have this dramatic love story with the same guy from "Whatever It Takes" in it. Whenver I see him I think Whatever It Takes and that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth cause that movie was HORRID.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Saw it tonight.

Most overwhelming reaction from the audience: The first movie set the standard - this movie exceeded it in spades. Much, much more entertaining than the first one, and that's saying a lot.

Molina's performance as Octavius is spot-on. Nowhere as near over-the-top as DaFoe's Goblin. Much more nuanced and intriguing.

Some nice cameos.

I don't want to get really into it because I don't want to spoil, but I guarantee it will eclipse Spidey 1's 400 million take.



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[Doctor Manhattan]

Little Tony DeFranco needs to be banned, at least from posting his lame ass reviews, give it up tough guy!

Here's my comments from the 2nd, locked thread plus a bit more:

That guy from Chappelle's Show had a hilarious line in the begining.

Ashy Larry? Hell yes! "I'm Rich, Biatch!" (he didn't say that in the movie. And he had a better line than Joey Diaz, Tony.

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I'll deal with this in white text, so spoiler alert:<font color=white>PLEASE! Not only do we have to look forward to ANOTHER Green Goblin movie, we have to do it with the same cheesy halloween costume, and with an actor with half the talent of Dafoe! There are so many good villains, why do they need to recycle the Goblin ALREADY! I want VENOM!!! I WANT THE LIZARD!!!! AND I DON'T WANT EITHER OF THEM TO HAVE TO SHARE A MOVIE WITH THE FUCKING GREEN GOBLIN!!!!!!![quote]</font>
Spoiler Text:<font color=white>Hopefully the Hobgoblin/Green Goblin II will have a different, less sucky costume, Harry just found his dad's stuff, it doesn't mean they have to re-use the same costume. He just found his dad's.

In the comics it was a different person who became Hobgoblin. Harry did become the GreenGoblin after his father's death (which it turns out was faked) But that guy playing Harry needs to be replaced if he's actually going to be the main villian in the 3rd film. I think they might keep this as the B story for the series</font> But since they have changed things already from the comic (organic Web Shooters and Gwen Stacy) they could do the same with the 3rd film.

I was very happy to see Kirsten Dunst's wet nipples return! Did she call Spiderman "Tiger" in the first movie?

I thought Dr Ock looked like the CGI Neo for a second when they were fighting on the L Trian (and I don't remember seeing an L train in NYC when I have been there, or did they fight in Chicago?)

Spoiler quetion:<font color=white> Didn't way too many people see Spiderman's face? I can see MJ, Harry and Dr Ock seeing it, but in real life some fucker from that train is gonna squel (of course they don't personally know him, unless that kid who said "we won't tell" was the same kid from across the street from Aunt May, but it didn't look like it)</font>

I think early on Dr Ock would have been killed when he was thrown through the window into the cab, his body isn't as strong as those new arms.
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This message was edited by SKW on 6-30-04 @ 2:48 PM

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Did lil Jimmy return for the sequel as the "Surely Truck Driver" ???

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He was replaced by Donnel Rawlings from Chappelle's Show (They guy driving a truck from Season 1 who said "I'm Rich, Biatch!" and plays Ashy Larry among a bunch of other cool characters)

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[ChickenHawk]

Here, this is my post from last night from the other thread:

Just got back from the midnight showing on 34th St.
...Seriously, SUCH A FUCKING GOOD MOVIE. I had an amazing time watching this. I can't say enough good things about it. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it was better than the first one... and that's not easy to do. Better plot, better character depth, better villians, better action scenes, funny as hell at just the right times, and far less predictable... They REALLY nailed this one. A-fuckin'-PLUS.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

AWESOME FUCKING MOVIE!!!
He was replaced by Donnel Rawlings from Chappelle's Show
Indeed he was. He had the one line that stole the first half of the movie
I want VENOM!!! I WANT THE LIZARD!!!!
They have opened the door for the Lizard. According to the IMDB, they are planning on six Spiderman movies. Sounds like a bit much, but Venom always was my favorite villain and I'd love to see Eddie Brock work his way into a movie. It's gonna be tough to pull off Venom without being campy, but they've done a damn good job so far. Without giving anything away, it's fair to say they've set themselves up for a number of great opportunities without committing themselves to a particular one.

As for the future villains, I just hope they never try to have villains team up, like Batman did. One villain is enough. Spend the movie developing one character without worrying about trying to give screen time to tell another guy's story. Two face was such a complex character and they totally ruined him in the movie by making him a one dimensional bad guy bent on murder for no particular reason.
and I don't remember seeing an L train in NYC when I have been there, or did they fight in Chicago?
Yeah, that was killing me too. There are L trains that I know of in Queens and the Bronx, but it seemed like it was Manhattan. I think the interior of the Subway was an authentic NY subway, while the scene was probably a CGI.

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[TheMojoPin]

It's gonna be too tricky to work Venom in without it feeling REALLY forced.

As shitty as the old "Secret Wars" series was, it at least created the whole "alien costume/Venom" storyline in a way that it could progress over years and just feel "right," despite the ridiculous premise.

I love the new "Ultimate Spider-Man" series, and the writer, Brian Michael Bendis, is probably the best writer in comics today...BUT, look at how he had to work in Venom into that "universe" (Which is very similar to the one in the movies). In my opinion, it came out of nowhere and didn't work at all. Any movie trying to introduce Venom would suffer the same thing.

I DO want to see multiple villains in a film, but not as big team-ups like the "Batman" flicks. Instead of showing Spidey taking out some bank robbers for a brief scene, just have him taking out someone like the Shocker, the Vulture, Mysterio or the Scorpion in a 5-10 minute scene, like it was everyday business. Establish that there IS a whole universe in these films that goes on all the time, even if we're not necessarily seeing it. Spidey has enough lower tier villains that this could easily be done.

As for major villains, if they're trying to do six films total, you could easily have Electro or Sandman as the "starring" villians in individual film...then harry as the Hobgoblin (Yeah, I know that's not how it happened in the comics, but I like the idea of Harry keeping the "theme" of his father, but trying to establish a somewhat seperate identity) for the 5th...then bring them ALL back (Dead or not...these are comic books, dammit!) for the 6th and unleash the aptly titled Sinister Six.

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[keithy_19]

Kick ass! I saw it last night and it was great. White text:The ending was really corny. I would have liked it to end with him watching her walk off with the guy at the end. The whole running through the park in the wedding dress was really bad. Just my opinion.


Does anyone remember the villain carnage? He was pretty kick ass.

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Carnage blew. He ushered in the whole "grim 'n' gritty" Spider-Man about 10 years ago, which ushered in his "parents" returning, which in turn ushered in the goddamn clone saga.

Carnage represents failure, misery and zero creativity.

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[blakjeezis]

I like the movie, a lot. It was easily as good as the first one, if not better. But I've had enough of the love-fest, and I'm here to bring up the bad stuff.

I would have liked to have seen more Doc Ock. He was very cool, Alfred Molina was excellent, the arms and he way Ock used them so naturally was out of this world awesome. But he wasn't as integrated into the story as I would have liked. He was just sort of the right villian at the right time. There was no real beef between him and Spidey, not like there was with the Goblin. It wasn't really necessary that he be the bad guy, it could have been anyone. Does that make sense?

Could I see Peter cry a little more please? Jesus Christ, every fucking 15 seconds it's the Goddamn water works. I'm just saying. I know they want to bring emotional edge to the film, but c'mon. It kinda got to the point of being silly.

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, I want the fuckin' half-crazy Peter Parker I remember reading as a kid.

Until he got married, he was always poor and getting shat upon by life...and the dude was seemingly ALWAYS on the verge of a breakdown. And not a sappy one like in the movies....I'm talking flat-out, gibbering, lock-him-away insanity. Good stuff. Keep Spidey miserable.

And the Doc Ock thing is very similar to the comics. There was no reason for the two to go at it...Spidey just happened to be the one that took him down first before any other hero could. I actually prefer that, given that almost EVERY villain since has had to be linked not just to Spider-Man, but to Peter Parker in some kind of ridiculous, unbelievable way.

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[Se7en]

This movie was good, I liked the part where Spider-Man made the dig at President Bush, and.........wait, this isn't a Little Tony DeFranco review is it?

Um...

Great, awesome fucking movie. Saw it TWICE today. Probably the best comic book movie I've ever seen, and I've seen pretty much every one that's ever been made (within the last 20 years, at least). Perfect set-up for the third one, too.

Marvel has figured it out - just put their franchises in the hands of talented people who can make fantastic movies that people want to see. I hope to GOD that Warner Bros has learned this same lesson with the new Batman flick being done, because I have high hopes for it and will be somewhat devastated if it blows.

As it is, WB isn't inspiring me, what with that abortion of a Catwoman film they're putting out soon.

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Marvel has figured it out - just put their franchises in the hands of talented people who can make fantastic movies that people want to see.


This doesn't always work. Look at Ang Lee and the Hulk.

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[TheMojoPin]

I actually liked "The Hulk" up until the last 20 minutes or so when Nick Nolte became the whatever the fuck he became.

The rest of it pleasantly surprised me. The battles were cool, and they spend a good chunk of time actually developing the characters. It definitely has a lot of potential for a sequel...just probably in the hands of another director.

And hey...it was miles better than "Daredevil."

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[FMJeff]

Ok this is going to be a long post. Sorry.

First, my reaction to what was said about the Hulk. In my humble opinion, the decision to have Ang Lee direct the Hulk was a very bad one for the simple reason that he wasn't a comic book fan. He said it himself. He wanted to use the Hulk to tell some kind of adapatation of tragic greek methology...it was all wrong. One of the things I enjoyed so much about the original Hulk television series, besides the ludicrous Lou Ferrigno in green makeup, was the unbearable lonliness of Bruce Banner...wandering from town to town, long believed dead, helping people. He was a hero in that film. This was the fundamental plot point Ang Lee failed to express in his film. The Hulk didn't really save anyone. He was just a scientific abnormality gone awry that had to be put down. It felt like I was watching Starman only Starman was green and could hurl tanks. Give me a director who understands American comic books, not someone looking to make some kind of dramatic point. And don't you ever fucking put Hulk Dogs in a movie again.

Also agreed, Nick Nolte was over the top and unbearably awful at the end. People were actually snickering when he screamed "FOR HUMANITY!!!!". That's when I actually felt bad for the movie. Bad emotion to feel .

NOW...Spiderman 2. There's going to be a bunch of insecure hetereosexual males who will find the sequel to be "incredibly gay" or "sappy" or "over-emotional". One of my friends went as far as to call it "Give me Spiderman, not Dawson's Creek." It made me think...have we become so inwardly homophobic that the experiencing of a film packed with emotional truths becomes almost unbearable? Are we so masculine that when Spiderman can't bear to tell the girl he loves how he feels because he thinks it will put her in danger we dismiss him as a "fag"? It's almost infuriating in a way...this is a film with some real humanity, and a lot of guys, even fans of the comic books, will dismiss it solely based on its lack of consistent, dumb action. As far as I'm concerned, there's some Oscarworthy work here...both behind and in front of the camera. Marvel hit the nail on the head with this one. If they can keep dishing out adaptations like this with thier other franchises, we can look forward to some excellent work in the future. I'd love to see Singer and Raimi switch projects...Raimi with X-Men would be insane. I only hope Fantastic Four and Blade: Trinity will reach this level of excellent. G-d knows Catwoman won't. Fingers crossed for Batman Begins. Christian Bale, don't do me wrong!

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by the way, did anyone catch Peter's teacher had one arm...

coughLizardcough

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I actually liked "The Hulk" up until the last 20 minutes or so when Nick Nolte became the whatever the fuck he became.


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[furie]

this movie was ok, I liked it but I had problems with it.
Mainly, where was the playful banter spider-man throws out at his enemies while fighting them? that what made the comic so much fun! It's like Lord of the Rings and how they robbed it of Tolkiens lyricism.

Also, I think there are three guys in a deli on 52nd who spider-man didn't reveal his identity to, but he'll be getting around to them soon. that way it'll be the whole city who know who he is. seriously, who many saw him without his mask on in this movie?

overall, it was ok.


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by the way, did anyone catch Peter's teacher had one arm...

coughLizardcough

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Carnage represents failure, misery and zero creativity.

And special edition red Nintendo cartridges

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[HBox]

It's gonna be too tricky to work Venom in without it feeling REALLY forced.


And Doctor Octopus didn't feel forced? What the hell were those arms for anyway? They had nothing to do with his experiment! And there seems to be better, safer, far less painful ways to control extra arms than attaching them into your spine! If they have an AI and they can act for themselves, don't attach them to your spine! If you need to control them, find an easier fucking way than doing a spinal tap into every fucking bone in your back!

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Spoiler-text-o-rama on.

I personally think it would be a mistake for them to use the Hobgoblin as the centerpiece of the next movie, which is what they were alluding to. Mainly because the Hobgoblin and Green Goblin are too similar to each other in powers that a lot of Spider 3 would be remiscent of Spider 1.

My suggestion? Eliminate Eddie Brock completely, and make John Jameson Venom. First, you solve one problem by having to explain the ENTIRE Venom backstory, which would take a 3 hour movie to explain, even if you excise the Secret Wars. You can make the John Jameson Venom EASY. We already know he's been in space, and we have a motive for pure hatred of Peter Parker - the fact that he "stole" Mary Jane from him. PLUS, he won't see MJ as an "innocent", so it'll cause conflict. All you do is create a nice flashback in the start of #3, seeing something "mysterious" happening to John in space. Then you fast forward to present day - he's already bonded with the symbiote, it just hasn't manifested. The pure hatred of Peter causes it to come out.

I really would like to see The Black Cat in the next one, and maybe #3 opening up with Peter battling Rhino for 10 minutes. Rhino's not that interesting of a character, but it would be cool to see other costumed crazies in NYC

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[TheMojoPin]

And Doctor Octopus didn't feel forced? What the hell were those arms for anyway?

He's a nuclear scientist.

He developed the arms so he could safely handle nuclear materials.

Dude, even in the comic book world, Venom as a character is pretty fucking ridiculous. The only reason it worked is because Spidey had the alien costume for a while, and they established the character of Eddie Brock for a while before Venom finally showed up...so that by the time he did, you could overlook the absurdity of the character based on the fact that both the alien Brock had reasons (In their minds, at least) to REALLY hate Parker/Spider-Man. Then you had a character that worked out of a ridiculous premise. Venom only works because of his established long-running ties with Parker AND Spider-Man. His vendetta feels legit and you "get" why he's such a major villain. Throw him into a movie, you have to take YEARS of development and squash it into, what, half an hour?

No chance in hell of working.

*EDIT* Actually, I just read Matty's idea, and I take back a lot of what I said. Good thinking...not as good as Venom in the comics, but it could work. Nice.

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[bigbaldirish]

or it could be done like the cartoon when it was introduced there. rather than the universe war, they had it as john jameson goes to mars, finds black "goo" brings it back to earth and it causes the ship to crash, and jameson to A) die, while spidey tries to save him, or B) go comatose (whatever floats your boat) annd the symbiote bonds to him. Eddie Brock was introduced (for about 30 seconds) in the first one, so he can be easily explained. and from what i remember there was a dealing with harry osborn between a bunch of books about him fighting with the "ghost " of his father, before he takes up the mask it self. slowly eating away at his sanity. so i believe spidey is not going to see green goblin until #4 but will see willem dafoe, and harry osborne having fights while the drama unfolds with spidey and the next villian, (be it the lizard, or venom)

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Not to geek it up too much but the Hobgoblin was someone else. Harry will be the Green Goblin for a movie which is pretty close to the comics. They need to flesh out the Peter/Betty story some more.

Why does Stan Lee have to appear in every Spiderman movie?

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This message was edited by CaptClown on 7-3-04 @ 4:59 PM

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but it's a mess who Hobgoblin really was in the comic. At least count, he's supposedly been at least three different people...and none of them very important or interesting (Except for Daily Bugle reporter Ned Leeds, who turned out to not have "really" been the Hobgoblin before he died...whatever). Making Harry the Hobgoblin still works because it still keeps with the "family legacy" idea, but still lets us see a "newer" villain (At least more so than another Green Goblin), and one with a better costume, too.

And I still want the 6th movie to have the Sinister Six. This "killing of the villain" has gotta stop. With GG, it made sense, but there was no reason for Ock to go out like he did.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

Few things...

Wasn't Octavius another one of Peter's mentors besides Dr. Conners/The Lizard?

And with this idea you guys are putting in the air of Harry becoming Hob Goblin rather than Green Goblin - bleh! I mean, they already cluster f''ed the whole situation of introducing Green Goblin first, and now we make Harry become the original bomb throwing weirdo? I don't think so. I wish they hadn't chose the Green Goblin for the first movie because the actors they chose to play The Osborn's flat out suck. Well, Tobey Maguire isn't exactly my ideal spiderman, but well I guess we gotta deal with himm eh?

And another thing: In my honest opinion, the next villan should be....damn I don't know. Why the hell would they let Doc Ock, who by my standards is the best villian Spidey ever had, be taken out in one 2 hour sitting? And this entire love story! Dammit, in the comics Parker was juggling Mary Jane and Betty Watson, trying to see which one would fit him. And he was NOT in love. He didn't have time to fall in love as quickly as shown in the damn movies. Most of the times he couldn't even go on a date with one of them without a villian screwing up NYC for him to take action.

Yeesh!

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This movie rocked. I loved it. I have not one bad thing to say about it except Kirsten Dunst is ugly and needs to be killed in Spiderman 3. Forget Passion of the Christ and F Fahrenheit 9/11 this deserves best movie of the year.

[samnyc]

Listen, I will give this movie two thumbs. It was just fantastic. I will see it again. It reminds me of JM Demattheiss's and Bendis's best work.

[TheMojoPin]

Wasn't Octavius another one of Peter's mentors besides Dr. Conners/The Lizard?

In any of the various comic book "universes?"

No.

And with this idea you guys are putting in the air of Harry becoming Hob Goblin rather than Green Goblin - bleh! I mean, they already cluster f''ed the whole situation of introducing Green Goblin first, and now we make Harry become the original bomb throwing weirdo?

You've got things mixed up here.

Allow me to dork out...

The first Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) was introduced waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in Amazing Spider-Man #14.

Green Goblin I (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/greengoblini.htm)
(There's techincally been four Green Goblins...Norman, his son, Harry...some feeb whose name I forget, but was a real nobody, literally, and died back in the 70's...and the fourth was some teenager who found the equipment and became a superhero. Yeah, it was as bad as it sounded and was cancelled within a year)

Harry became the GG after his dad "died," and spent about 20 years alternating between being crazy and conveniently getting amnesia and forgetting all about the Green Goblin shenangians (And even more conveniently, that Peter Parker is Spider-Man). Harry died in the mid-90's after finally completely going off the deep end. He hasn't been back...though his pops apparently rose from the dead a few years laters after having supposedly (And rightfully) been dead for over 20 years.

Hobgoblin first showed up in the 80's, Amazing Spider-Man #238, to be exact. There's been two officially. One was a businessman who discovered one of Norman Osborns Green Goblin hideouts/labs/armory after being led there by a smalltime criminal. He has no connection to Peter Parker whatsoever (As opposed to the Osborns, which always made them the better villains, since it was always "personal). The first Hobgoblin went "underground" for years (This is a cop-out. The writer, Roger Stern, that created the character stopped writing Spider-Man before he could reveal who the Hobgoblin really was. The new writers revealed him to be Ned Leeds, a reporter at the Daily Bugle Peter knew for years. Stern eventually wrote a series in the late 90's that supposedly "proved" Leeds was framed by the REAL Hobgoblin, and the actual 'goblin has been hiding this whole time. Ech)

When the FIRST Hobby went into hiding, a NEW one took over. This guy was some merc who was already an incredibly stupid super villian named "Jack O' Lantern," who actually flew around with a giant flaming pumpkin on his head. "Jack" killed the apparently framed Ned Leeds, stole the Hobgoblin gear (How the "framed" Leeds got the gear is never really explained...imagine that), and became the new version. In the years following, he merged with a demon, became a "real" Hobgoblin with actual mystical powers, became seperated from the demon (Who became the short-lived "Demogoblin"), and apparently is "Jack O' Lantern" again now that the "true" Hobgoblin is back.

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Jack O' Lantern (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jackolantern.htm)

Green Goblin II (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/greengoblinii.htm)

Yeah, I got most of that from a web site, but I'm still a geek. Obviously. And I want a comic book forum here. So there.

Dammit, in the comics Parker was juggling Mary Jane and Betty Watson, trying to see which one would fit him.

There's Mary Jane Watson and Betty Brant. Peter had stopped dating Betty even before he ever met Mary Jane. You're probably thinking of Peter going between MJ and Gwen Stacy. But that only lasted until Stacy was killed by the Green Goblin. Talk about finding solutions in the weirdest places...

And he was NOT in love.

You kidding? The schmuck fell in love at the drop of a hat. It just added to the misery he seemed to run into every issue.

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My ignorance of the events in the Spider-Man comic books can be atributed to my young age and inability to find any of these comics, and that damn Spider-Man cartoon that was aired on Fox in th 90s. That dumb cartoon change SO MUCH. As a matter of fact, I do believe they called the "Sinister Six", the "Insidious Six".

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, that thing was a wreck. I think the "new" Greg Brady was the voice of Spidey.

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[FMJeff]

this movie was ok, I liked it but I had problems with it.
Mainly, where was the playful banter spider-man throws out at his enemies while fighting them? that what made the comic so much fun! It's like Lord of the Rings and how they robbed it of Tolkiens lyricism.

Also, I think there are three guys in a deli on 52nd who spider-man didn't reveal his identity to, but he'll be getting around to them soon. that way it'll be the whole city who know who he is. seriously, who many saw him without his mask on in this movie?

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You gotta understand this is still a new Spidey...he's unsure of himself...unsure of his powers...his place...I think you're going to see a more confident Spiderman as the movies progres...one who throws out more quips...as he gets more secure in his powers and place in the world....it was the right move on the screenplay writers to leave it out...it would have rung untrue...

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[FMJeff]

And Doctor Octopus didn't feel forced? What the hell were those arms for anyway?

He's a nuclear scientist.

He developed the arms so he could safely handle nuclear materials.

Dude, even in the comic book world, Venom as a character is pretty fucking ridiculous. The only reason it worked is because Spidey had the alien costume for a while, and they established the character of Eddie Brock for a while before Venom finally showed up...so that by the time he did, you could overlook the absurdity of the character based on the fact that both the alien Brock had reasons (In their minds, at least) to REALLY hate Parker/Spider-Man. Then you had a character that worked out of a ridiculous premise. Venom only works because of his established long-running ties with Parker AND Spider-Man. His vendetta feels legit and you "get" why he's such a major villain. Throw him into a movie, you have to take YEARS of development and squash it into, what, half an hour?

No chance in hell of working.

*EDIT* Actually, I just read Matty's idea, and I take back a lot of what I said. Good thinking...not as good as Venom in the comics, but it could work. Nice.

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 7-3-04 @ 4:14 PM


Plus, as an astronaut...he could have gained access to the black suit material in space or be exposed to it in some kind of Nasa research facility...

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Yeah, but it's a mess who Hobgoblin really was in the comic. At least count, he's supposedly been at least three different people...and none of them very important or interesting (Except for Daily Bugle reporter Ned Leeds, who turned out to not have "really" been the Hobgoblin before he died...whatever). Making Harry the Hobgoblin still works because it still keeps with the "family legacy" idea, but still lets us see a "newer" villain (At least more so than another Green Goblin), and one with a better costume, too.

And I still want the 6th movie to have the Sinister Six. This "killing of the villain" has gotta stop. With GG, it made sense, but there was no reason for Ock to go out like he did.

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All they showed was him sinking to the bottom. There's probably about 5000 ways they can write his character back into life. Cmon, Mojo..its the movies...

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but it would still bug me that you don't have the whole drawn-out backstory that the alien/Brock had in the comic. It's that that actually makes Venom THE villain he is. Without it, he's pretty gimmick-y.

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[FMJeff]

Yeah, but it would still bug me that you don't have the whole drawn-out backstory that the alien/Brock had in the comic. It's that that actually makes Venom THE villain he is. Without it, he's pretty gimmick-y.

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Aren't all villains "gimmicky" in a way? When they changed Spiderman's webbing from mechanical to organic, everyone flipped out...but it's really not important. Venom represents man's darker need to enact revenge on those who hurt them...I say Jameson has every right to hate Peter...and the fact he is an astronaut makes it easier for the extra-terrestrial element of his character to come into play. Matty...you should write screenplays dude...good idea...

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outta curiousity how long does everybody think until crossovers happen like spidey vs. punisher, hulk vs. wolverine, And with fantastic four supposedly coming out, fantastic four fighting with spidey.
these were all comics already, so if these stay close to the books it is completely possible, if not definate

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Yeah, but the human part is only half of Venom. The costume itself is it's own being, and is just as much of Venom as the human host...maybe even more so. In the comic, Spidey wore the damn thing for at least a year, so when he finally rejected it, it kinda made sense (In a comic book sorta way) that the thing would go so nuts and want to see Spidey dead in the first place. You can't have that in the movies, unless he gets the costume in the next movie, and then loses it the movie AFTER that...but even then you just have Jameson, who only has the MJ thing to get pissed about. Brock inadvertantly had his entire life ruined (At least he saw it that way) by Parker/Spider-Man.

And yeah, I'm biased because I really don't like Venom all that much. He represents "lazy" writing...I always hated villains that were just essentially copies of their "good" counterparts...like Sabretooth and Wolverine. It's dull, and after the initial revenge storyline, they don't have much to go on. Venom, to me, represents when the Spidey titles tried to "modern" things up the wrong way...namely becoming "grim 'n' gritty" like so much of the other titles in the industry. He was cool the first couple of times he showed up, but his schtick wore REAL old, REAL fast.

And the crossovers are highly unlikely, since most of these movies are being made at different studios.

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 7-4-04 @ 1:52 AM

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outta curiousity how long does everybody think until crossovers happen like spidey vs. punisher, hulk vs. wolverine, And with fantastic four supposedly coming out, fantastic four fighting with spidey.
these were all comics already, so if these stay close to the books it is completely possible, if not definate

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This message was edited by bigbaldirish on 7-4-04 @ 1:45 AM

Its almost impossible to get crossovers in the Marvel universe as Marvel sold the film rights to a lot of its intellectual properties to a number of different corporations...that's why you see different studios releasing different Marvel characters...to have a crossover would require a joint venture most film studios are just not willing to undertake, as the logistics are way too daunting...profit sharing...creative control...it would be insane...

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Yeah, but the human part is only half of Venom. The costume itself is it's own being, and is just as much of Venom as the human host...maybe even more so. In the comic, Spidey wore the damn thing for at least a year, so when he finally rejected it, it kinda made sense (In a comic book sorta way) that the thing would go so nuts and want to see Spidey dead in the first place. You can't have that in the movies, unless he gets the costume in the next movie, and then loses it the movie AFTER that...but even then you just have Jameson, who only has the MJ thing to get pissed about. Brock inadvertantly had his entire life ruined (At least he saw it that way) by Parker/Spider-Man.

And yeah, I'm biased because I really don't like Venom all that much. He represents "lazy" writing...I always hated villains that were just essentially copies of their "good" counterparts...like Sabretooth and Wolverine. It's dull, and after the initial revenge storyline, they don't have much to go on. Venom, to me, represents when the Spidey titles tried to "modern" things up the wrong way...namely becoming "grim 'n' gritty" like so much of the other titles in the industry. He was cool the first couple of times he showed up, but his schtick wore REAL old, REAL fast.

And the crossovers are highly unlikely, since most of these movies are being made at different studios.

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 7-4-04 @ 1:52 AM

I agree he's a hammy villain...but then again you have to realize all comic books will look a little silly. They squeezed as much emotional truth out of Spiderman as I think they can at this point...I have a feeling the next couple of films are going to he hard up action flicks...I don't see where they can take the character beyond a standard action film format...

As for time spent with the costume, Mojo...you can make time progress years in a series of montages...its really not a problem...just because he had the costume for a year doesn't mean you have to show every day...you can show time progressing and the deterioration of Peter caused by the costume in less than 5 minutes of footage...

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[Se7en]

Marvel has figured it out - just put their franchises in the hands of talented people who can make fantastic movies that people want to see.


This doesn't always work. Look at Ang Lee and the Hulk.

Hulk was a good movie.

The reason people don't like that film is because going into it they expect to see two hours of Hulk smashing shit up, and what they got instead was an actual STORY.

As for Venom - if anyone here reads Marvel's "Ultimate Spider-Man" comic, I think the best solution to bringing about the Venom entity in the films is there. In the Ultimate comic, Venom was a biological entity that was genetically engineered in a lab; of course, the origin was a little more convoluted than that, but the premise can still work.

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[TheMojoPin]

I thought the way Bendis fit Venom into the "Ultimate" universe (And Eddie Brock, and Eddie and Peter's parents as scientists...ECH) is really the only truly bad thing he's written. It served zero purpose, advanced nothing in ANY storyline, and felt WAY too fucking forced in terms of how quickly it happened. And in all, he's getting pretty weak with how EVERYTHING in the "Ultimate" universe is tied together through Super Soldier programs or SHIELD or SOMETHING...there's no sense of mystery, since EVERYTHING is being explained in excessive detail right out the gate.

Look, I'm gonna harp on this timing thing. Having the Venom origin stretch out over years in the comic somehow made it more "real." Not as gimmick-y as the character actually is. By just tossing him out there after just an issue or two, or just half an hour of film, it's just another shitty doppelganger story, which is like a half step away from being a clone story, which you might as well go with since the end result is the same...two Spider-Men fighting each other. Maybe I'm just a snob, but I'd rather see Spidey fighting Electro or the Black Cat ANY day.

I dunno, it just bugs me trying to fit Venom in. When I think "classic" Spider-Man, and what made the character great and truly an icon, were the 25 years of stories and characters that came BEFORE anyone even dreamed of Venom. Why do we already have to skip ALL of that, and we're just on movie three? Fuck Venom. He made the Spidey titles dull after a while, and represented all that was horrible about Marvel in the 90's by getting his own series.

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[schmega]

parker was far too downtrodden, and there were way too many closeups of women screaming. that part really bugged me.

but doc ock was INCREDIBLE. the way they used his arms, and the fights with spiderman were the best i've ever seen. ever. tobey was great, molina was great, ashy larry was great, and bruce campbell was great.

dunst is still the last person on earth i woulda ever wanted to be mj. and i still cant stand Mr. Freaks and Geeks. we dont need another green goblin, do we?

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Once again..... CGI effects looked like ass! Sure, there have been some noticeable improvements but, does ANYONE think these huge FX actually look REAL?!!

PS...does anyone think Kirstin Dunst is hot? She is, at best, average looking.

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and there were way too many closeups of women screaming.


I agree with that. I also thought there was no reason to have Dr Octavious be married. She dies, he mentioned her once and that was it. I know he gave peter some love advice, but he could have gotten that from anyone.

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He developed the arms so he could safely handle nuclear materials.


That was a very cool invention without the micro sun thing. If he just stuck with that idea he and Harry could have made a ton of money. Think of an army of our soldiers with those arms!

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[CaptClown]

Bonus points to anyone that saw Stan Lee and what he was doing in the movie.

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[schmega]

I also thought there was no reason to have Dr Octavious be married. She dies, he mentioned her once and that was it.

her death made his submission to the arms a lot easier, since he most likely lost a lot of his conscience with her gone.

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[fezident]

Bonus points to anyone that saw Stan Lee and what he was doing in the movie.


During the Spidey, Doc Ock, Aunt May battle, he was a pedestrian that almost got clobbered by some falling debris.

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[TheMojoPin]

So basically, ol' Stan had the exact same role he had in the first film...cowering from falling debris.

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[FMJeff]

So basically, ol' Stan had the exact same role he had in the first film...cowering from falling debris.

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Stan could play a hotdog salesman like in the first X-Men movie. (What did he do in the second one?)

Or a security guard like in the Hulk (along with Lou Ferrigno)

Or just a guy trying to cross the street like in Dare Devil.

Maybe they could have had a closeup oh him screaming that lingered a bit too long (like the women in Spiderman 2. They also lingered a bit on some of the hot women with large boobs standing there watching Spiderman swing around)

her death made his submission to the arms a lot easier, since he most likely lost a lot of his conscience with her gone.

You have a point, and I guess having Oct bitch about her for the rest of the film wouldn't be necessary.

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Daniel Gillies, who played John Jameson, reportedly signed on to do 2 movies when he signed on for Spiderman 2. If he comes back for this one, it'll almost certainly mean Man-Wolf or Venom. The idea of John Jameson being Venom has been kicked around before and it looks like they're seriously considering it.
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[curtoid]

I really, really liked this movie, but I'm not sure I'm willing to put it on top of the first Spidey or the second X-Men as far as great Superhero movies. It's up there for me, and maybe after I see it a second time I'll feel differently, but that first Spiderman movie really was something special, in my opinion. It all goes back to the origin, which is just so pure and perfect. It worked in the late sixties and it worked in 2002.

Doc Ock was fantastic - I was disappointed they killed him off too. As Mojo pointed out, it made sense to off the Goblin, as they were sticking pretty close to that story (minus one Gwen Stacy), but why do we have to end all of these movies with another dead villian?!

I blame the first BATMAN!

Grrrr.

I was a HUGE Spiderman fan, ever since I was a little kid in the 1970s, watching "Spidey Super Stories" on "The Electric Company!" (Get into your way back machine for THAT youngins!)

I used to have a pretty complete collection of "Amazing Spiderman," before I thinned the heard out. I still have a number of really"key" issues, including #14, that I plan to be buried with.

Mojo - thanks for the recap. I had forgotten the whole hullabaloo surrounding the "Who Is The Hobgoblin" storyline in the 1980s. I can't believe people have forgotten that Doc Ock was once going to be married to Aunt May! Anyway, about the time Venom showed up, I clocked out, and only have a casual knowledge of Carnage, clones and whatever else has happened in the last ten or so years.

It seems to me that that two, maybe three, villians may be the way to go for the next movie - I wouldn't be surprised if they squished things together and made Harry the Hobgoblin, and finally they stop teasing us about Conners/Lizard. I also love the idea of the Rhino having a brief appearance early on, just for fun.

The 3rd movie can also set in motion the needed backstory for Jameson becoming Venom for the 4th film. Do we think they will be able to do more than 4 films, with this cast at least?

Kirsten Dundst was a good choice for the first movie - she had that really pretty high school girl next door, and they made it believeable that the geek next door would develop a crush on her. And broadway and off-broadway actresses aren't drop dead model-like gorgeous - if they were, they would be in Hollywood on television and movies! Still, it's kind of hard to buy her as MJ, (Scarlett Johansen would have been a great choice, if she hadn't gone the route of "real movies") but since we have her in there, I have no problem with her as MJ.

I want them to use the Ramones cover of the "Spiderman" theme song, dammit.



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This message was edited by curtoid on 7-5-04 @ 11:54 AM

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo - thanks for the recap. I had forgotten the whole hullabaloo surrounding the "Who Is The Hobgoblin" storyline in the 1980s.

No problem. I remember it because it started right after I began reading the Spidey titles reguarly in the early 80's, and whenever I go back and read it, it still sticks out as a great ongoing story. Roger Stern really made a seperate character of the Hobgoblin from GG. He was trying to kill Spider-Man, Kingpin, allying with the Rose in these giant gangwars...at one point, he even set it up so it looked like Flash Thompson was the Hobgoblin. Poor schmuck even went to jail for it...that's why it sucks Stern had to come back and do the series in the 90's that "explained" everything. There was no need for the writers who came after him to kill off who they thought was the first Hobgoblin, and then replace him with such a dull character.

But hey...that's Marvel for ya.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

My idea for Spider-Man III... spoiler-text ON



The movie opens up a year or so after the second. The first sequence is a set action piece of Spider-Man facing off against THE RHINO. The action is EXPLOSIVE, literally. The Rhino keeps charging and destroying parts of buildings with his massive body, and Spidey has to dodge not only for his own well-being, but to protect onlookers in the way. Spider finally takes down the Rhino, and saves a lot of people in the process, but of course, the next day, the Daily Bugle runs the headline: "WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THIS MESS?" That's right folks, Spidey is now the burden of taxpayers and insurers everywhere.

Roll opening credits.

Mary Jane and Pete are still wildly in love, but both of their careers have taken off. Pete is now a TA for Doctor Connors, who has seemingly disappeared for long periods of time and seems to be hiding something, and MJ is now an aspiring actress, spliting her time between New York and Los Angeles.

The theme of this movie is choice, both in love and life. John Jameson is still in the picture, and so is Harry Osborn. Both of them have been making plays for MJ. However, both are COMPLETELY psychotic - Harry has been taking the Green Goblin drug like heroin, getting a little bit stronger, a little bit smarter, and a little bit more crazy every time he takes it. (Remember, Harry's addictive personality has already been established in S-M2) John Jameson has been grounded due to "mysterious circumstances" that happened while he was on the moon, so he's been volunteering for biomechanical experiementation at NASA.

Peter is also dealing with his own romantic problems. He's been growing closer to Betty Brant, J. Jonah Jameson's assistant at the Daily Bugle, and he's also been following a rash of burglaries that have been more and more daring.

The first act closes with Spider-Man closing in on a robbery, and he comes across the beautiful and alluring BLACK CAT. (I'm not going to bother with casting right now, but if Rebecca Romjin can be Mystique, then I'm suggesting Vida Guerra for the Black Cat)

If people want to read more of my ideas, I'll continue, but this basically has a setup for The Lizard to be the main villan in this, with a cliff-hanger... Venom reveals himself to Parker right before the roll of the end credits. I've also been debating combing Gwen Stacy and Betty Brant into one character.

Thoughts?



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[CaptClown]

I could go for the opening and have John bring back a few things from the Moon, the symbiote and the Man-Wolf gem. The rest I could go for.


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[Reephdweller]

I just saw Spidey 2 today. Overall I liked it very much. There's naturally a number of things that I question in the story and action. From MJ's radical mood swings of hate and love to just plain lunacy.
There were a few others though that isn't to suggest that I didn't like the movie.

I loved Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, I thought he was awesome. Doc Ock is easily one of my favorite Marvel villans, next to Dr. Doom.

I do think however that is was a little weird watching Peter being pulled into the train car after that whole incident. And how the passengers carried his body the way that they did. It felt sort've like it was The Passion of the Spider Man or something. Just the imagery of his arms outstretched, and his side being torn and his body the way it was just looked like a creepy cross of Jesus and the webslinger.

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black kat is a bad idea...comparisons to catwoman coming out in theaters would be inevitable...avoid women and cats entirely

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[TheMojoPin]

Matty, it's not like you can have spoilers for a movie that will never be made.

First of all, are you saying Jameson is "psychotic" BEFORE or AFTER his "mysterious" space mission?

Christ, Venom sucks so much. Namely the fun out of life. A Venom movie will kill this series. Mark my fucking word.

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[TheMojoPin]

Personally, I hope the next movie goes the way the newspaper strip has developed. (Click the refresh button on your browser to see more strips). (http://www.newcomicreviews.com/temp/spidey/rotate.php)

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[Doctor Manhattan]

Vida Guerra? you mean the girl with the toilet seat from the "I wanna Piss on you" R. Kelly video from Chappelle's Show?

And to do Venom don't you have to set up the whole Symbiotic Suit story and have Spidey use it for a while? Then reject it, getting the symbiotic gloop angry and also introduce a character (Eddie Brock) to join with the suit to form Venom?

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[TheMojoPin]

And to do Venom don't you have to set up the whole Symbiotic Suit story and have Spidey use it for a while?

EXACTLY.

Without that backstory, Venom is just a "evil variant" villain, which are the lamest fucking characters in ANY kind of media...film, comics, books, whatever.

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[blakjeezis]

Wow! You guys are the biggest bunch of geeks EVER!

Now, if you'll excuse me I have to go get fitted for my Quidditch robes.

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[curtoid]

I remember it because it started right after I began reading the Spidey titles reguarly in the early 80's, and whenever I go back and read it, it still sticks out as a great ongoing story.

The first book I really started reading was IRON MAN. Issue #150 was the first book I actually bought from a real comic book store, and that storyline (Iron Man vs. Dr. Doom in Camelot!) still rocks, in my opinion.

I went back and got every issue of IM, including the entire TALES OF SUSPENSE books, and only stopped being a completist with #250, which was actually a sequel to #150!

Libras love the balance!!

And to do Venom don't you have to set up the whole Symbiotic Suit story and have Spidey use it for a while?

EXACTLY.Without that backstory, Venom is just a "evil variant" villain, which are the lamest fucking characters in ANY kind of media...film, comics, books, whatever.

SM Part three they introduce the backstory (w/out the STUPID WARS nonsense) - Part Four VENOM shows up. Since it looks like they have some long term, multi-film plans, they might be doing that.



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[Doctor Manhattan]

I am a huge geek for Spiderman and Batman.

I don't know if the whole "Black Suit Spiderman" will work well in a film (I think the classic suit would end up selling more tickets) so they may not want to have a whole movie with just that suit.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

Vida Guerra? you mean the girl with the toilet seat from the "I wanna Piss on you" R. Kelly video from Chappelle's Show?

Wrong person. Vida Guerra is a very attractive spanish women with a large butt. For you guys, think of J. Lo x 2.

Another thing, I'm not so sure about Venom. As Mojo clearly says, there's too much backstory to develop the guy, even if they stick the black suit on Jameson. And I don't like the idea of SM4. I mean, come on, it'd be best if they stuck to 3 movies rather than try to chase after Batman, or Superman's sequels. Plus, Dock Ock should've been the finaly villian, with more of an acting role. They really, really, should have handled him better. I mean, the guy that played him was PERFECT. Yeesh...

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[TheMojoPin]

Wrong person. Vida Guerra is a very attractive spanish women with a large butt. For you guys, think of J. Lo x 2.

AND she is the girl wearing the toilet seat and shaking her big ass from the "Piss On You" sketch on "Chappelle's Show," as it was said.

Our booty detectors are on full alert at all times.

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[blakjeezis]

You know who's got a grrrrrreat ass? This broad:
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Jamie Sale, the Canadian figureskater that won but didn't win the gold at the Utah Olympics. Man, would you look at that backyard. Must be from all those years of lutzes and what have you. Plus it looks like she's got a bit of a belly, at least in this pic, which is always nice.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

AND she is the girl wearing the toilet seat and shaking her big ass from the "Piss On You" sketch on "Chappelle's Show," as it was said.


Yeah, they mention her in the commentary. Dave didn't know she was "famous" at the time. Damn, that's a good show.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

You know who's got a grrrrrreat ass? This broad:
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"Where's the booty?"

Flat, flat, flat, flat, flat!

And yea, I didn't even notice Vida in the Dave Chapelle Show.

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[TheMojoPin]

Jynx is right.

Where's her ass?

They gave her those granny-cut bottoms for a reason.

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[curtoid]

GREAT interview today with Stan Lee on D&M; Don is a fan going back from when he was a kid, and seemed to surprise even Stan with some of the shit he knew and said.

Anyway, Stan basically said that "your guess is as good as mine," when asked about specifics about the next movie(s), but he did say that he THOUGHT The Lizard and/or Harry Osbourn as a Goblin was where they were going.

Really a great guy (Stan Lee). He was very funny talking about his cameos in the various super hero movies, about how if you blink you miss him, but really that's the most he can ask out of them.

'Nuff Said!



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[Fallon]

I saw it today and didn't like it very much. It was too much like the first one (which I enjoyed). Just didn't seem all that original.

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[JustJon]

I just read Tenbats' "story idea" for the next movie. Good to see he reads the rumor sites for Raimi's possible plans for the next movie.

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[Crippler]

I just saw it & thought it was great.

One question though...maybe I'm reading too much into this, but they seemed to go a little out of the way to talk about the little kid who was helping his Aunt pack, mentioning him by name several times. Does Henry Jackson become an important name somewhere down the line in the Spider-Man saga?

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[TheMojoPin]

Not in the comics.

Probably a casting "favor."

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[Doctor Manhattan]

So does Peter actually feel the need to jump into his costume and help everytime he hears a siren?

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[TheMojoPin]

Typically, yeah.

It all goes back to the Uncle Ben thing...he ignored trying to stop a criminal then, and his uncle was killed because of that inaction. The guilt is what pushed him to become a "hero" in the first place, and still does. If he actively opts not to help out, someone could get hurt or killed because he wasn't there, and he can't live with that.

That's why he was always so miserable in the comics half the time. The guy would be dead-tired from a day or work and school, and he'd be on his way home, hear or see something going down, and feel he HAD to check it out.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

I can see that. I was just thinking about that for some reason. It is the theme of the character and the phrase "With great power comes great responsiblity"

If it were me I'd wait until I hear something about a guy in a costume on a police scanner.

Also there has got to be a way for Peter to generate some money for Auny May. Can't he do an interview on TV for some quick cash? He doesn't have to be greedy.

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[TheMojoPin]

Well, his other big fear is somebody finding out who he really is, and then using that knowledge to hurt his friends and family. An interview would just make it that much more likely someone might be able to figure out who he is. And besides, half the time the cops suspect him of something, or want him in for questioning at the very LEAST, so an interview would just set him up to have them waiting for him.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

a Video Conference interview. or even a pre taped thing that he did himself (the TV show would post their questions somewhere and Peter would use a video camera and tape himself answering the questions) And he wouldn't have to make it a real in depth interview, just some fluffy answers to simple questions and maybe a demonstation of how he shoots his webs. Given that no one knows anything about him, a TV show would be willing to pay big bucks to have the first good clear shot of him and his web slinging.

There has to be a way for him to safely make money with his talents, and the city does owe him.

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[TheMojoPin]

Even pre-taped, he's still be broadcasting his voice over the airwaves, and someone might recognize it. Unless they distort it...but even then, how many people would believe it was really him? They'd probably think they just slapped a mask on someone in the studio. Even him showing of his powers could be chalked up to camera trickery or FX.

And basically, he doesn't want to make money off of his powers...at least not outside of the pictures he sells to the Bugle (He still has to "work" to get those action shots). He didn't stop that thief because he was more concerned with getting paid for showing off his powers, so that all ties in with the guilt.

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[vegeta]

Hope i'm not too late to the whole conversation. Since there are a few pages in this thread, I haven't read everything, so I might be repeating things.

First off, Spider-man 2 is a damn good movie. I've heard people complain of inconsistences and the movie not being "realistic enough" in some areas (it's a damn comic book movie) but I was enjoying myself too much to really notice errors.

As for what would make a good sequel, there is so much damn stuff to do in a sequel, because there are so many villains/heros from the comics.

Hobgoblin's probably the number one candidate for the third villain, but it might feel like it's a repeat of the first movie- a crazed guy flying on a glider.

What I really want to see is Venom and Carnage. It would be the darkest of the movies with the two of them slashing away at tons of unsespecting citizens.

And imagine the rivalry between Eddie Brock and Peter in the newsroom, and Eddie being obsesed over spider-man (i'm taking that from the 90s cartoon) because only peter can get great shots of him.

Since John Jameson was introduced in the movie, in part 3, he could go back into space and come back with the symbiote embedded in a rock.

It would be incredible.

I also think that having Black Kat in the movie could be done well, as long as she looks exactly opposite of that horrible Halle Berry Catwoman. She could just wear black, have long white hair and a mask over her face. Also, it would create a whole love triangle instead of the same mushy love story we've had for 2 movies.

DAMN! I'm a frigging CB geek. I have to leave. I've reached my geek quota for today.

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[TheMojoPin]

As bad as Venom would be in a movie, having Carnage in it would destroy the film.

We're already cramming backtory into next to nothing and cutting corners to have Venom...how the hell can anyone have Spider-Man have the black costume, then Venom is created, and THEN Carnage comes along...all in a SINGLE film...and still have it be a workable movie?!? What's the fucking point of having Carnage if you already have Venom?!? Remember how multiple villains helped kill the Batman film franchise?

And it's ridiculous if people are complaining about continuing the Green Goblin/Hobgoblin storyline (And this dirves me insane. I'm sorry, but the Green Goblin stories are the still the greatest Spider-Man stories. Nothing in the last 15 years can even come close) and it being repetitive, how can they then cheer on the idea of having Venom and then maybe Carnage in another movie?!? Caranage is a HELL of a lot more derivative than Harry in some kind of 'Goblin identity, and is just a watered-down copy OF a watered-down copy. There's NEVER been a good Carnage story. EVER. Yeah, I loved them when I was 13, too. Go back and read them again. They suck monstrously huge ass.

Man, I know more people read Spider-Man comics between 1989 and 1994 than any other time in the character's history, but come on. Looking back, most of the stories and characters are absolute shit.

Stick to the goddamn classics. That's what the movies have done so far, and that's why they work. Spider-Man in the last 15 years has mostly had awful, repetitive villains, almost NO supporting cast, and has been zero fun to read for years at a time. And THAT'S what people are saying want on the screen. Mind-boggling.

SPIDER-MAN IS NOT MEANT TO BE "GRIM 'N' GRITTY."

YOU PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE.

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[JustJon]

I'd like to see them start the Venom story in SM3. (John Jameson returns from space with a lil passenger) Make it a cliffhanger for SM4 and make Harry's story SM3.

As it is, the big rumor so far is Eliza Dushku as Felicia Hardy/Black Cat.

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[curtoid]

From Studio Briefing:

DIRECTOR RAIMI TO FILM NEW SCENES FOR SPIDER-MAN 2.5
Not only does Sony plan to release the Spider-Man 2 DVD in November, but it
also plans to release Spider-Man 2.5, with additional action and effects scenes
next year, director Sam Raimi has told the website IGN.com. It is really not
a matter of his wanting to release a director's extended cut of the film,
Raimi indicated. "Sony said to me, 'We want to release a 2.5,' because they want
to make more money. It's not really that I had some scenes to put in. The movie
really was the best I could make it. It's not like I think I could make it
better." Asked why the studio is waiting until next year to release the extended
version, Raimi responded: ""It's just a financial decision by the studio.
They know that people who liked the second movie would want to own it as it is on
DVD, and then it's just a gamble. 'Oh, if we spend another four million
dollars, can we make another ten million dollars?' I think that's how it works."


Man...shit like this really pisses me off. Makes me not only NOT want to buy SM2 when it comes out next month, but get rid of the first one from my library.

I give LORD OF THE RINGS a pass on this DVD double dipping, which I shouldn't, but with DAWN OF THE DEAD, X-MEN, HELLBOY, KILL BILL, STAR WARS and everything else that comes out, and then they put out again a short time later (just assuming with STAR WARS, but you know it's coming in 2007) I really get tired of giving these asswipes my money, as they continue to plot to get more of it.




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[Doctor Manhattan]

With Lord of the Rings and Kill Bill, the studio and directors were very open about their plans. So I'll give them a pass.

I'm not sure about Hell Boy, hasn't that come out on DVD about 3 times now?

These others suck. The Matrix Series is about to double dip (10 disc set comes out Dec 7th, same day as Return of the King:EE)

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[curtoid]

The Matrix Series is about to double dip (10 disc set comes out Dec 7th, same day as Return of the King:EE)

I've never been so glad that I hated the 2nd and 3rd sequels.



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[badorties]

The Matrix Series is about to double dip (10 disc set comes out Dec 7th, same day as Return of the King:EE)



i actually enjoyed the two sequels, went out and bought them ... what could fill up seven other discs that they couldn't add to each movie disc and a extras disc ...

blockbuster is doing a DVD buyback program that might warrant the repurchase of raging bull and goodfellas ...


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[Doctor Manhattan]

I've never been so glad that I hated the 2nd and 3rd sequels.

technically, Reloaded is a 1st sequel and Revolutions a 2nd sequel. They need a 3rd sequel to answer some questions.

Loved The Matrix, I liked Reloaded and would have liked it more if Revolutions lived up to what was set up before it.

If Trinity's name actually meant something (everyone else's name seemed to) did they forget to get to it?

what could fill up seven other discs that they couldn't add to each movie disc and a extras disc ...

They made a "revisted" film for each of the other 2 films (which sounds good, but the most interesting part of The Matrix Revisited was the development of the story before they started filming.) and the Animatrix is in there too, so that's 7 of the 10 discs (2 discs per film + Animatrix). There is a disc devoted to philosophical and technological inspirations of The Matrix Trilogy. The 2 remaining disc look shitty (the 10th disc is only 45 mins long, just the remaining crap that isn't on the first 9 discs)

If it's available for under $35 I'd get it, I'm a big Matrix fan, despite it's major flaws

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[Hoojibs]

I'd like to see them start the Venom story in SM3. (John Jameson returns from space with a lil passenger) Make it a cliffhanger for SM4 and make Harry's story SM3.


Based on a recent interview with Raimi, Spiderman 3 is it. There won't be a 4 but who knows with Hollywood I'm sure they could always get a different director, actor and do it a la Batman.

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I've never been so glad that I hated the 2nd and 3rd sequels.


Hollywood loves to squeeze 'em dry thats for sure.

and as to whether Spidy3 will indeed be it, I guess one can simply look at what happened with H.R. Giger's original Alien.

I'm glad Aliens was made, but would have been satisfied if it ended there, or even with one. Alien3 she dies, youd think thats it, eh? Well for Ripley, they got one more movie, and for the Alien, two more; resurrection and AVP.

The only thing I can pray for now is that Trey and Matt decide to tackle the Horror Genre and just throw fucking everyone in from the Face hugger to all of the Living Dead and up to Gamera and Godzilla and the whole Monster Island.

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Based on a recent interview with Raimi, Spiderman 3 is it. There won't be a 4 but who knows with Hollywood I'm sure they could always get a different director, actor and do it a la Batman.
Raimi said he wants to go beyond 3, but teh studio said 3 was it. Probably because the actors were only contracted for 3 movies each.

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French Spider-Man 3 Promo! (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=2450)

Variety is reporting that Alvin Sargent is signed on to write not only SPIDER-MAN 3, but with an option to write SPIDER-MAN 4. (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19128)



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Harry redoing the Green Goblin could be pretty cool (remember, the Hobgoblin is simply a crook that stumbled upon one of the GG's secret stashes), but I think the Lizard would be bad ass.

Venom? Cool, dont get me wrong, but theres simply too much backstory for that one to work. I have to agree with Mojo the Nerd King--classic villains, especially the goblins are the greatest Spider-Man villains. Period.

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