Bradshaw does Nazi salute at show in Germany

[SuperClerk]

From wrestlingobserver.com-


--We don't have a lot in the way of details, but apparently there was a major scene at yesterday's WWE show in Munich when JBL started goose stepping and making Nazi signs. That's illegal in Germany and the Bavarian Governor's Chief of Staff, and his children, were at the show.



From PWTorch.com-


(9) Eddie Guerrero pinned John Bradshaw Layfield to retain the WWE Championship. Strange match because it was something of a heel vs. heel bout. You can read more about that in my notes. Eddie was able to get the pin after his frogsplash.

Notes: In my eyes the two shows in Germany were not really a success for the WWE. Like last night in Munich they didn't sell out the arena. Just around 5,000 fans were there but the mood was good. A reason for the low attendance could be that the Smackdown Superstars were just in last year's October here in Germany. Eddie Guerrero was not really over in Oberhausen. You could hear some negative chants, no idea why. Latino Heat responded them with "Germany sucks!" A short note from last night in Munich: JBL did the sadly famous "Hitler's greeting" (I don't know how you call it in the USA) several times in the ring, before an during his match against Eddie Guerrero. I understand that he is a heel, but that is not a funny thing at all, especially here in Germany. Such things have nothing to do with entertainment, it is just stupid. At least Bradshaw didn't do so in Oberhausen.



Whether or not this no talent hick is doing this shit just to generate heat, it has to stop. What will it take for McMahon to fire this asshole?

"Foreign wrestling matches are a lot like foreign films; no one really understands 'em, but they don't want strangers to think they're stupid, so they rave about them and turn their noses up at anyone who says otherwise."

[Tenbatsuzen]

He was probably following orders.



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[WindowSill]

What a prick...however I wouldnt put it past the WWE to have told him to do that.

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[SuperClerk]

He was probably following orders

Here's a fitting movie quote-


Friends, let me tell you about another bunch of hate mongers that were just following orders: they
were called Nazis, and they practically wiped a nation of people from the Earth


"Foreign wrestling matches are a lot like foreign films; no one really understands 'em, but they don't want strangers to think they're stupid, so they rave about them and turn their noses up at anyone who says otherwise."

This message was edited by SuperClerk on 6-6-04 @ 10:17 PM

[Heather 8]

This would probably offend me more if not for seeing at least two New Jersey wrestlers do the Nazi gimmick for several years now.

Just the same, it is a cheap and disgusting way to get heat... and if it is illegal, why wasn't he arrested or cited?

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[MHasegawa]

Besides Ivan, who's the other one? Zieg?

Who is Karim Garcia?? I no respect heem.
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[Evilpete]

Btwn HHH's pseudo-nazi eagle looking shirt and now this, is it any wonder why Goldberg won't come back?

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[Def Dave in SC]

Well damn! I thought this was about Terry Bradshaw. Ehhh. wouldnt put it past him either.

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[BigKilla]

The guy is always down at Walter-Reed visiting wounded soilders and always visiting the troops over-seas and here at home, so don't label him a prick just because of what he did at a fucking show, big deal. He was in character to gain some heat. Poor taste, probably.

[SuperClerk]

Here's photographic proof-

**EDIT**-That fat bastard took it down!!!!

"Foreign wrestling matches are a lot like foreign films; no one really understands 'em, but they don't want strangers to think they're stupid, so they rave about them and turn their noses up at anyone who says otherwise."

This message was edited by SuperClerk on 6-7-04 @ 3:48 PM

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I would honestly want to know why the man would do an illegal act in another country to just to get some extra heat. I mean, if it comes down to that, don't you think it's time for a look at just how bad your character is.

By the way there was no picture, just some fat guy saying there was too much bandwith.

"Snootch to the nootch."

[Heather 8]

Besides Ivan, who's the other one? Zieg?


Zieg used to, especially when he and Crazy Ivan were teaming up. Since I haven't been in Jersey in a while, I don't know if he's still doing that schtick.

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[BigKilla]

I'm sure the guy didn't know it was an illegal act. For God's sake, maybe I need some sensitivitytraining , but it's a fucking show. It's not real, it's all make believe.
CM Punk and the Harris Bros have racist tattoos, but that's okay I guess?

[Heather 8]

Fuck it... no use reasoning with someone without a clue.

This message was edited by Peachy on 6-7-04 @ 8:34 PM

[SuperClerk]

Here's another pic-

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"Foreign wrestling matches are a lot like foreign films; no one really understands 'em, but they don't want strangers to think they're stupid, so they rave about them and turn their noses up at anyone who says otherwise."

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Even if Bradshaw didn't know if it was illegal, don't you think you'd have the common courtesy to think about it before doing it and maybe say to yourself, "Hmm, maybe people in Germany might find this way too offensive. I may be crossing the line." Still, I think Bradshaw is just getting way to desperate for heat.

"Snootch to the nootch."

[Tazz]

and CNBC canned him (http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=2878&p=1)

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[Heavy]

Its funny that you all think this is worse because it happened in Germany. theres no shortage of nazis over there, and im guessing the % at this wrestling show was much higher then the general population over there

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[SuperClerk]

Good for CNBC.

Hopefully, Vince will do the same. This is beyond crossing the line in my opinion.

"Foreign wrestling matches are a lot like foreign films; no one really understands 'em, but they don't want strangers to think they're stupid, so they rave about them and turn their noses up at anyone who says otherwise."

[Se7en]

Why should Vince can him? Bradshaw's actions were offensive and idiotic, and possibly even criminal (it's been postulated that his actions were illegal there, but even I don't think they're nearly as scandalous as some are making it out to be. He did something incredibly insensitive and stupid in order to get cheap heat, and he's getting his due now.

But should Vince fire him? Hell, Vince did WORSE than Bradshaw with the whole Sgt. Slaughter thing during Iraq War I.

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[BoondockSaint]

Why should Vince can him? Bradshaw's actions were offensive and idiotic, and possibly even criminal (it's been postulated that his actions were illegal there, but even I don't think they're nearly as scandalous as some are making it out to be. He did something incredibly insensitive and stupid in order to get cheap heat, and he's getting his due now.

But should Vince fire him? Hell, Vince did WORSE than Bradshaw with the whole Sgt. Slaughter thing during Iraq War I.

What Hitler did was one of the worst atrocities ever committed by mankind. The first Gulf War was caused by Iraq invading a smaller country with little defense. I'll agree that Vince did the Slaughter thing in very bad taste, but explain how that is worse then taking advantage of the death of 6 million people for cheap heat.

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[Evilpete]

Why should Vince can him? Bradshaw's actions were offensive and idiotic, and possibly even criminal (it's been postulated that his actions were illegal there, but even I don't think they're nearly as scandalous as some are making it out to be. He did something incredibly insensitive and stupid in order to get cheap heat, and he's getting his due now.

But should Vince fire him? Hell, Vince did WORSE than Bradshaw with the whole Sgt. Slaughter thing during Iraq War I.


well, I do think Vince won't fire him because he's getting off the fact people are tlilng about it and that puts the WWE name in the public, but then again he has stockholders to answer to now, unlike the Sgt Slaughter days in the early 90s. I hope the do fire him, and not leave it at "we gave him a good talking to..." shit I read they did, which happened to piss off the ENTIRE SD! roster.
Lets not forget the fact that JBL DID BREAK A BIG LAW IN GERMANY!!!!!! But you all know he won't be fired because the Texas retard is friends with the other big Texas retards on SD!, and they have clout just beacuse they happen to hang around for a while.

becides, most Texans are nothing more than Inbred Nazis anyway

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[clsmlm]

So he got fired from CNBC? I thought he was on FoxNews. I'm surprised that it's illegal to do the hitler wave in Germany. I mean like it or not, it's free speech. Well why make a big deal about it. Why didn't CNBC fire him when he was bashing the illegal mexicans

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[BoondockSaint]

from pwinsider.com:


As we reported yesterday, CNBC severed their relationship with John Bradshaw Layfield due to his incorporating Nazi mannerisms into his ring work during a match on 6/5 against Eddie Guerrero in Munich, Germany (which, it should again be noted is illegal to do in that country). WWE management found out about CNBC's decision to fire JBL yesterday afternoon at Smackdown and Vince McMahon was said to be very angry about it. From what I was told, he was not mad at Bradshaw for doing it, but at CNBC for reacting so "heavy-handedly" to what Bradshaw. I talked to a number of people in the promotion and no one seems to believe that Bradshaw will be "dealt with" by the company in any significant way, as WWE had said he would in the statement briefly posted on their website yesterday. Being one of Vince McMahon's pet projects has its privileges. In fact, there was a feeling amongst a number of employees that the only reason that the statement was even put up on the company website was because WWE was trying to keep Bradshaw from being let go by CNBC, but I can only say that is just people's opinions at this time.


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[Tall_James]

Do you think this will kill his push as a main-eventer?

I HOPE SO !!!


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[BrownTown]

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, slow down.
I'm a reformed wrestling junkie that's pretty much been out of the loop for the most part (though every year I still make it a point to watch Wrestlemania) for a few years now (once the legitimate competition went down, so did the quality of what the WWE was putting on the air), and I apologize in advance for my ignorance, but what in God's name was Bradshaw doing for CNBC?

I got a letter from the army so I think that I'll enlist. I'm not brave or proud of nothing I just want to kill something.

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[Tall_James]

WWE wrestler Bradshaw joins forces with CNBC US

Indiantelevision.com Team

(10 May 2004 2:00 pm)

MUMBAI: A wrestler dispensing financial words of advice and wisdom? That is what CNBC US promises its viewers. The broadcaster has signed on the World Wrestling Entertainment's (WWE) John "Bradshaw" Layfield.

When he is not laying down opponents on the mat, Bradshaw is said to have a keen interest in finance and Wall Street. He honed his financial acumen while writing and publishing his investment book Have More Money Now: A Common Sense Approach to Financial Management

Bradshaw will appear on several CNBC shows, including Bullseye and Squawk Box. In the past he has appeared in news snippets on CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, CNNfn and Fox News.

As far as wrestling is concerned Bradshaw appears on WWE's Smackdown. In India the show can be seen on Ten Sports.




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[BrownTown]

Thanks, man.
Needless to say (then why am I saying it), I'm stunned that he's considered a valid finacial advisor because
He honed his financial acumen while writing and publishing his investment book Have More Money Now: A Common Sense Approach to Financial Management
Too fucking weird.
Little Justin Hawk Bradshaw got all growed up.
(Then reverted to infancy with this stupidity)

I got a letter from the army so I think that I'll enlist. I'm not brave or proud of nothing I just want to kill something.

[Se7en]

but what in God's name was Bradshaw doing for CNBC?

Bradshaw was a financial analyst. Say what you will about the guy, but he does have a good head for business & the stock market.

What Hitler did was one of the worst atrocities ever committed by mankind. The first Gulf War was caused by Iraq invading a smaller country with little defense. I'll agree that Vince did the Slaughter thing in very bad taste, but explain how that is worse then taking advantage of the death of 6 million people for cheap heat.

Because he used the salute to get cheap heat on Germans themselves; it sounds like I'm splitting hairs here, but he was insulting Germans themselves, and let's be honest - the Holocaust, as horrific as it was, was committed by Germans. Even Chancellor Schroeder, in the recent D-Day remembrances, has stated that Germany must acknowledge the role they played on D-Day and in WW2. If Bradshaw had done the salute in Israel, for example, or to an audience of primarily Jewish fans, then it'd be worse....but I don't think it'd be as offensive as the Gulf War thing, because that was a war in which American soldiers (as well as civilians in Kuwait & Iraq) were dying.

I guess it goes to a matter of time. Bringing up events from 60 years ago - offensive and insensitive, but not as bad as using current, present-day bloodshed to promote a wrestling show.

The dark side of me suggests that Vince should have Bradshaw start saluting on American TV - maybe it'll get SOME reaction from the crowd, which is more than most of the people on Smackdown get these days.

becides, most Texans are nothing more than Inbred Nazis anyway


No offense, but if you're going to criticize someone for committing an offensive, insensitive act......you kind of don't want to follow that up by making a negative, biased and incorrect generalization yourself.

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[BrownTown]

Not for nothing though, hasn't wrestling always been about bad taste and pushing the limits of whats right? A heel is a heel because he does things that are supposed to outrage. Nowadays it just takes more to outrage. So they tried to push the envelope a little further, and went too far in the process. It's the nature of the business, and it was bound to happen again. That doesn't mean it was cool for Bradshaw to Zieg Heil in the ring, but "heelish" acts aren't supposed to be cool.

I got a letter from the army so I think that I'll enlist. I'm not brave or proud of nothing I just want to kill something.

[JerryTaker]

I haven't been paying much attention to wrestling lately, as a haven't had the time. This whole thing sickens me, because the whole problem with our society is that we've been trained to take one side of a story and spin it into an "I'm better than you" scenario and appoint ourselves moral overseers of the situation.

There are so many angles to this, it's rediculous.

1. This is the WWE, who've had Ted Dibiase owning a slave to HHH wearing a Kane mask fucking a corpse... I think to long time watchers, Bradshaw using this to get heat in Germany is almost expected...

2. Bradshaw's involvement with CNBC is probably what brought out the 'PC Police' on this one, though very few people, either in or out of the wrestling loop, even realize he's on the the damn chanel in the first place and many think the JBL character is a total 'bit'. Oh, yeah, and actually doing it around the anniversary of 'D-Day' was probably not a good idea either.

3. Bradshaw did what he did to get the crowd heat on him; why? because the crowd was livid at Eddie Guerrero; Why? um.. hm well, probably just because he's Mexican. This is the level of Harlem Heat at Sturgis. Again, the 'offended' German fans automatically lose thier moral high ground here.

4. If Vince leaves Bradshaw out to dry on this, He's a bastard... OK, He's a bastard anyway, but he'd be an even bigger Bastard. Look, if he's not concerned at what the French think of the way they're portrayed, why would he care what the Germans think? I think the responsibility falls on Vince to get Bradshaw his Job with CNBC back.

5. In our current climate of overreacting to everything, CNBC took the coward's way out, which doesn't surprise me, as the're so corporate, they don't want to make thier bosses angry...ugh
Check out the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29937-2004Jun9.html) article for Bradshaw's defense of himself and what CNBC told him about his character at the time of his hiring.

Anyway, I chalk this up to another attempt by the PC police to undermine our entertainment as it's done countless times now since the turn of the century...


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[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is how I see it. The thing that sets this action apart from other "shock value" things WWE has done in the past is that it wasn't part of a planned storyline. Granted I'm not saying that if it was part of a storyline it would be okay. I'm totally not saying that. WWE has made a lot of bad decisions with storylines.

The thing that gets me is that it was Bradshaw's decision to do this in order to gain heat from the crowd. It wasn't part of a storyline where all of a sudden he's a nazi, it was because the crowd was dead due to his lack of skills so he decided to do what he though was shocking.

Here's the kicker. IT WAS AN ILLEGAL ACT!!!! ILLEGAL!!! Meaning he should have been arrested for it. The only ramifcations were of him being fired from CNBC.

No appolgy from him. Only a message on WWE.com that was on for no more than a few hours appolgizing. His excuse? He was only doing it because he's "the bad guy". That to me is an extremely selfish outlook and he definitely should be done with for good after the Great American Bash.

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[high fly]

Copycat.

Mick Jagger did in in '65 or '66.

Kinda passe by now, I'd say.






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He's lucky he made it out of the arena.

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[JerryTaker]

it was because the crowd was dead due to his lack of skills


From the report I read, the crowd wasn't dead, but Eddie was getting all of the Heel heat, simply because he's Mexican, again, Like when Harlem Heat (the faces) went to the Sturgis Motorcycle rally, and the crowd hated them, because they're racists...



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