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KERMIT

06-05-2004, 01:23 PM

Another event O&A missed the boat for.

So, who's next, Bush Sr. or Ford?

Ford

These are pretty crass statements to make when the man isn't even cold yet!!!!
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I agree 100 % reeshy. Let the man be honored and stop the stupid jokes and comments.

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ChickenHawk

06-05-2004, 01:26 PM

I agree that we have lost one of the greatest president's in our nation's history. It was just that he's been dying and suffering for 10 years, and he was 93. His death wasn't exactly a surprise.

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reeshy

06-05-2004, 01:26 PM

I wasn't talking about Reagan. What's so crass about that?

Just wondering who's next is crass! These are our former Presidents, whether you liked them or not. Start another thread for that!!!

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06-05-2004, 01:35 PM

It was his time to go. I knew it was coming. I was thinking about who the next dead president would be just a few days ago.

Now anyone care to dig up the thread about who was going to die in 2004?

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TheMojoPin

06-05-2004, 01:40 PM

Look, I'm no Reagan fan, but I'm TELLING everyone right now...no jokes or smartass comments in this thread. This guy meant a lot to a LOT of people, so let's respect that, at least for the time being.

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Melrapuo

06-05-2004, 01:42 PM

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HBox

06-05-2004, 01:44 PM

Just wondering who's next is crass!

I don't believe I was being disrespectful to Reagan, but I apologize for putting that in this thread.

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Doctor Manhattan

06-05-2004, 01:46 PM

It was just that he's been dying and suffering for 10 years

Hasn't it been longer. I thought he started the alzimers during his last term in office. When he didn't recall those things during those hearings he wasn't lying. I'm not trying to be crass like reeshy. I'm actually defending the guy, he's not a big ass liar like W.

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A.J.

06-05-2004, 01:54 PM

Here's a tough question. Should President Bush ditch the D-Day ceremonies and come back for Reagan's funeral? Man, he's in a real no-win situation here.

There's going to be a week-long mourning period. For a couple of those days, he willl lie in state in the Capitol before his body is buried at the Reagan Library in CA.

Rest in peace Mr. President.

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HBox

06-05-2004, 01:56 PM

Here's a lengthy obituary from the Washington Post. Registration required. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A18329-2004Jun5?language=printer)

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06-05-2004, 01:59 PM

I say Bush should ditch the D Day thing and head back, unless he could do both somehow.

Reagan was a great President, Im glad his suffering is over. RIP Dutch
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El Mudo

06-05-2004, 02:05 PM

I'm glad he's finally at peace...one of the greatest Americans and Presidents ever...

Goodbye Mr. President...

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HBox

06-05-2004, 02:09 PM

I say Bush should ditch the D Day thing and head back, unless he could do both somehow.

I'd disagree, but it looks like he'll be able to finish the D-Day stuff and come back for the funeral. And it looks like all the foreign leaders there will be following him. The only thing that seems in jeopardy is the G8 summit scheduled for next week, and if Bush ditched the funeral for that, even I'd be pissed.

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A.J.

06-05-2004, 02:12 PM

The only thing that seems in jeopardy is the G8 summit scheduled for next week, and if Bush ditched the funeral for that, even I'd be pissed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the other G-8 leaders opted to postpone the summit out of respect to President Reagan.

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06-05-2004, 02:19 PM

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06-05-2004, 02:48 PM

I can still hear Ant doing his ..............errr I mean I can still remember the day when Regan was calling the show, I can just hear him now "The bombing begins in 5 minutes"

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reeshy

06-05-2004, 03:05 PM

I'm not trying to be crass like reeshy

What the FUCK does that mean????????????

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SatCam

06-05-2004, 03:34 PM

it means Regan owns your sole and you should love him.

I think.
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Doomstone

06-05-2004, 03:40 PM

He was a decent actor.

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Teenweek

06-05-2004, 03:57 PM

He made Gorbachev is personal bitch. God Bless you

ChickenHawk

06-05-2004, 04:03 PM

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Shecky

06-05-2004, 04:07 PM

He will be missed.

He made Americans proud to be Americans.

Now how long until Bush starts exploiting Reagan's
death in his re-election campaign to try to win votes.

Doctor Manhattan

06-05-2004, 04:14 PM

I'm not trying to be crass like reeshy

What the FUCK does that mean????????????

I was just fuckin' with ya.

BTW. Just about every celebrity that dies has jokes and crass statements made about them, Why should Reagan be different. Or should we move those comments to Showtime to protect you sensitive Reagenites?

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HBox

06-05-2004, 04:17 PM

I think his point was more the timing than anything.

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ChickenHawk

06-05-2004, 04:19 PM

BTW. Just about every celebrity that dies has jokes and crass statements made about them, Why should Reagan be different.
Perhaps because this particular celebrity was ALSO a great President of the United States who changed our world forever.

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06-05-2004, 04:21 PM

[Vince McMahon] "Tear that wall down, and tear it down NOW!" [/Vince McMahon]

hahahahhahahah. i took a knee... for the gipper.

i agree with skw. nothing and no one's sacred here. the guy turned our nation around, sure, but even jesus isnt off limits.

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Green Lantern

06-05-2004, 04:23 PM

So, who's next, Bush Sr. or Ford?
I wish it could be George W Bush.

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Doctor Manhattan

06-05-2004, 04:26 PM

Perhaps because this particular celebrity was ALSO a great President of the United States who changed our world forever.

Other people who were great and changed the world had jokes made of them. I guess people should wait a few days. And asking who's next isn't an insult to Reagan. And I agree, Ford will go next.

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Doctor Manhattan

06-05-2004, 04:28 PM

From CNN:

President Bush says Ronald Reagan leaves behind a world he helped save

Then why is W doing everything he can to fuck it up.

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curtoid

06-05-2004, 05:28 PM

While I supported much of what he stood for back in the day - I voted for him in the first election I could vote in - over the years I began to regret that decision in light of Iran/Contra, the stipping of all the environmental laws, ignoring the AIDS crisis, making the word "liberal" a dirty word, visiting the Nazi cemetary, putting this country in horrible debt in order to bankrupt the Soviet Union and sowing the seeds of the neo-con movement.

At the time it was pretty obvious that he was a better choice than Mondale (or Carter in 1980), and he did have a way to comfort you, even as part of you was convinced we were hell bent on hurtling towards WWIII - living here in Washington in the 1980s, it was never a question of IF there was going to "the day after," but when.

At the end of his second term, there had been scuttle to make it legal for a President to serve a third term again, and to be honest I might have voted for him again, had they gone through with it - which scares me now, since it has become clear that the disease was laying root possibly as early as 1987.

Seeing his speaches again reminds me what I liked about the man - the words and the way he delivered them in times of tragedy were very comforting. I only wish that talent could have turned towards the before mentioned AIDS crisis as it had been after the Challenger explosion - a speach that still mists me up.

History will ultimately decide how GREAT a President he really was - and I'm talking 100 years from now. No matter how many state parks, schools, air ports or Federal buildings get named after him now, history has a way to wait out the zealots with agendas and reward the true heros, or villans.

If I were to guess, I would imagine history will be kind to him, but not as reverant as his supporters today would like. He WAS a leader that was capable of great unity and great divison, and I'm not sure, but I think much of the divide we see today can be traced back to his administration.

In any event - it is very sad, but at the same time there has to be a degree of relief for his family, especially Nancy, who obviously adored him, and who carried a very, very heavy burden the last 10 years.

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TheMojoPin

06-05-2004, 05:34 PM

I'm starting a seperate thread in HONOR of Reagan for the people that want to voice their respect. I promise it'll be off limits to anything disrespectful. This one was just about the general announcement, so it can just be about the man and whatever opinion anyone had of him.

Again, first sign of mouthing off in the other thread and the poster posting it gets a week's vacation, period.

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ChickenHawk

06-05-2004, 05:35 PM

So, who's next, Bush Sr. or Ford?
I wish it could be George W Bush.
...CIA? ...FBI? Are you out there?

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06-05-2004, 05:53 PM

reeshy

06-05-2004, 05:58 PM

Has a thread like that been made for anyone else? Is Reagan really the greatest person to live in the past few decades?

So, start your own thread, dammit!!!!

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06-05-2004, 06:08 PM

I'm still waiting for the money to "trickle down" to me.

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TheMojoPin

06-05-2004, 06:09 PM

I'm starting a seperate thread in HONOR of Reagan for the people that want to voice their respect. I promise it'll be off limits to anything disrespectful.

Has a thread like that been made for anyone else? Is Reagan really the greatest person to live in the past few decades?

Not trying to say anything bad about him, but aren't there others who deserve this kind of treatment?

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In recent memory? No, not to my knowledge. At least not to the general American public at large.

I just know that we have a lot of passionate followers of politics here, quite a few of whom fall to the conservative side, and we don't need any more ugliness than usual in this forum. This was a VERY divisive man and this is a VERY divisive forum. I'm trying to put those fires out BEFORE they start. Hence why I'm allowing one thread just out of respect for him...and another where people can say whatever they want. This one can be used for the latter.

Personally, I downright despise the man's politics and the era he represented...but that's me. His death has no bearing on that whatsoever, so there's no need for me to take some shots in a thread remembering a man that for some is a hero and damn near-mythological BEFORE he died.

So basically, yes, I'm "bending" my own rules by allowing a duplicate thread about Reagan's death...but my reasoning in doing so is to avoid board conflict on a larger scale. So "lesser of two evils," I guess.

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Doctor Manhattan

06-05-2004, 06:10 PM

So, start your own thread, dammit!!!!

Well when someone good dies I will. Tony Randall, Spalding Gray, Paul Winfield and Captain Kangaroo aren't really what I was thinking. Actually I can't think of someone at this level who has died in the past few years.

Again, I am not saying this shouldn't be done for Ronald Reagan.

I wonder if it was like this for the Brits when Lady Di died.

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NewYorkDragons80

06-05-2004, 06:14 PM

Look, I'm no Reagan fan, but I'm TELLING everyone right now...no jokes or smartass comments in this thread. This guy meant a lot to a LOT of people, so let's respect that, at least for the time being.
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RIP Mr. President.

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HBox

06-05-2004, 06:22 PM

Well, when Clinton dies, I want a thread too, with no stupid blowjob jokes.

Jimmy Carter, eh, he's not special thread worthy. Neither is Ford. Bush 1, I could go either way.

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Doomstone

06-05-2004, 06:23 PM

The best Reagan line of all-time was from his testimony to the Tower Commission; he was asked why his more recent testimony seemed to contradict earlier statements he made. Reagan consults his notes, grins, and replies:

"If the question comes up at the Tower Board meeting, you might want to say that you were surprised."

Hopefully someone can get Hunter S. Thompson to write an obituary like the one he did for Richard Nixon. That would make my day.

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TheMojoPin

06-05-2004, 06:27 PM

Well, when Clinton dies, I want a thread too, with no stupid blowjob jokes.

Done.

And besides, we've got a good 20 years to build up THAT day.

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06-05-2004, 06:30 PM

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TheMojoPin

06-05-2004, 06:33 PM

What's this "he kicked Gorbachev's ass" stuff? Gorby did more to bring down the USSR than anyone. Reagan and co. definitely worked with what they saw happening to help push it along, but the Soviet slide was inevitable at that point.

Giving Reagan credit for "crushing the USSR" is like solely blaming Bush for 9/11 just because they were in office at the time.

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reeshy

06-05-2004, 06:45 PM

What's this "he kicked Gorbachev's ass" stuff? Gorby did more to bring down the USSR than anyone. Reagan and co. definitely worked with what they saw happening to help push it along, but the Soviet slide was inevitable at that point. Giving Reagan credit for "crushing the USSR" is like solely blaming Bush for 9/11 just because they were in office at the time.

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06-05-2004, 06:51 PM

I'm starting a seperate thread in HONOR of Reagan for the people that want to voice their respect.

Two threads one negative
one positive
Fair and balanced
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06-05-2004, 06:58 PM

If I'm going down, I'm taking reeshy with me!

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Recyclerz

06-05-2004, 07:02 PM

For good or ill (and I think there's at least a little of both), Ronald Reagan was the most consequential American politician in the past third of a century or so. Like Mojo, I disagreed with most of his policies but I have to give him major (personal) props on at least two issues: He knew when to take Yes for an answer from the Commies, much to the chagrin from some of his supporters on the Right, and ultimately made parts of the world safer and freer places (at least Eastern Europe) and he blew up a lot of liberal cant and forced people like me to come up with a better thought out world view if we were going to continue to claim the gov't. should play some role in bettering people's lives. (the Democratic party as a whole hasn't gotten this fully worked though yet, but I have hope).

On the personal front, I had great sympathy for his condition because I saw up close how horrible Alzheimer's is. I hope he's at peace now and I hope his family finds it as well.

Godspeed, Mr. President.

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livin78

06-05-2004, 10:50 PM

As a common lurker, but rare poster of this community (who needs to post when ypu can ask the most innocent question and end up feeling like the biggest ass on the board because God forbid I don't know all about internet politics and asked if anyone knew the artist R&F were promoting) I can honestly say you people are the coldest human beings I have ever met. Granted some of you have made some very nice remarks about the former president, but maybe it is time some of you learn not everything is a friggin bit. Ohhh let me cry because a great man died and O&A weren't there to mock it...news flash Chicken I guarantee you O&A wouldn't have mocked the death of Reagan. Honestly I get my updates from Steels like many here, but am always running a few weeks behind because of work, and it amazes me that such a large group of people from this site even understand half of the topics that R&F speak about. Bottom line is have fun making fun of Reagan assholes, cause at least R&F will be respectful to him come Monday.

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TheMojoPin

06-06-2004, 08:39 AM

Livin, we very cleary have two threads set up on this topic, since it is such a huge deal...one solely out of respect for the man, and one where people can voice ALL of their opinions about him. If you don't like what's being said in THIS thread, stick to the other one.

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DJEvelEd

06-06-2004, 09:13 AM

If I'm going down, I'm taking reeshy with me!

FAGS!!! What are you guys each gonna work on a ball and then meet at the Taint for a French kiss?

IMHO, Ronald Ray-Gun was a liar and a bum. Didn't he help create Osama Bin Laden? Didn't he allow big business to flood South America with Methyl Ethyl Keytone (a cocaine precursor) Great legacy there diaper boy! I was around during his tenure and you can't sugarcoat the shitpile he left for us. Well I guess you can, so you can also put some lipstick on a pig and fuck it then too.

GAWD! Don't you people remember the "Just Say No" campaign. Christ, that fascist rekindled the drug war but then used drug money to buy guns for the contras!!! What a fake phoney fraud!!!

And fuck Clinton too. I hope he dies by cutting off his penis in a cigar cutter.

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reeshy

06-06-2004, 09:25 AM

FAGS!!! What are you guys each gonna work on a ball and then meet at the Taint for a French kiss?

You will be there to administer the champagne enema's, won't you, Ed??????

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06-06-2004, 09:30 AM

You will be there to administer the champagne enema's, won't you, Ed??????

How about some red wine with fart bubbles. Lets fag it up hardcore!!!

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06-06-2004, 10:11 AM

Lets fag it up hardcore!!!

Lead on!!!!

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DJEvelEd

06-06-2004, 10:33 AM

First let's fart in each other's mouth while making eye contact. I want a good smell of what's for dinner. Then I want to rub your manly brown love juice all over my nipples which you then promptly lick off. Then after I finger your diarrhea hole, I take your shitstained toilet brush and shove it up your ass. I jump on the other end and we grind man ass all night while listening to angry lesbian guitar music. We then can spoon in our coital cooze and talk about how Reagan would be as a democrat.

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East Side Dave

06-06-2004, 11:04 AM

So, start your own thread, dammit!!!!

Well when someone good dies I will...Actually I can't think of someone at this level who has died in the past few years.

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06-07-2004, 01:34 AM

Reephdweller

06-07-2004, 02:42 AM

Furie and I were out driving yesterday and I saw something that really disappointed me. Only one place (our local police station) had the flag at half staff. Even if we had not lost former President Regan on saturday. Yesterday was the anniversary of D-Day. Between the two events one would think that America would remember wat the two events mean to us as a country. i realize that both events take place on a weekend and some places may have closed before Regans death on Sat. But most of the places that I saw were open yesterday.

The weirdest thing for me yesterday was seeing a Jersey newspaper that actually had a full cover story of the Smarty Jones race and nothing about Reagan. I would think any president would at the very least be deservant of the top story of a newspaper.

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06-07-2004, 05:15 AM

I'll use this thread, and it actually IS out of respect to Reagan:

Hello Administration: Allow research funding on new Stem Cell lines ! ! !

Done.

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06-07-2004, 10:36 AM

I didn't say it this time...
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06-08-2004, 01:28 PM

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06-08-2004, 01:53 PM

I'm pro-life and pro-stem cell research. Even if they do use aborted fetuses, it's no different than an organ donation. I personally feel that a developing child is a human life, which is why I feel that when its life is terminated, we should be permitted to use its body's resources the same we would use those of any other person who has died.

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06-08-2004, 02:10 PM

I'm pro-death.

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HBox

06-08-2004, 02:28 PM

I don't like all of the comparisons between Reagan and G.W. Bush that are being made.

Bush is a ridiculous parody of Ronald Reagan.

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Captain Rooster

06-08-2004, 04:51 PM

Christ, I am a man from the generation of Reagan and I love this coumtry--scars and all.

God bless America.
God bless the USA.

Amen.

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HBox

06-08-2004, 05:55 PM

I just saw Gerald Ford on CNN. He's next.

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A.J.

06-09-2004, 11:56 AM

I'm pro-death.

I'm pro-death metal.

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06-09-2004, 12:17 PM

I'm pro-death metal.

i'm pro-death metal moe.

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jeffdwright2001

06-09-2004, 12:20 PM

I'm pro-death.
How long did it take you to get out of amature status? And how do we know for sure that you didn't take any money under the table? And if you did, what will $50 get me while you're under there?

Recyclerz

06-09-2004, 12:27 PM

I'm pro-death metal.

AJ - you and your buddy DM Moe had better straighten up & fly right - or at least cancel your tour of Italy.

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06-09-2004, 03:38 PM

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HBox

06-11-2004, 09:23 PM

OK. The man has been buried. So now I have a question, and I honestly mean no disrespect to the man.

Was this week a bit of overkill? I agree that just about every U.S. President deserves the state funeral, but the sugary sweet media coverage of every little thing that happened started really getting on my nerves today. Was it too much? Too positive? This wasn't the time to make a big deal of his failures, but I think some mentions of them are warrented.

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BoondockSaint

06-11-2004, 09:38 PM

Well, unless you remember Johnson's state funeral, what do you compare it to? My father remembers Johnson's being on tv as much, but not on as many channels,

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TheMojoPin

06-11-2004, 09:47 PM

Well, unless you remember Johnson's state funeral, what do you compare it to? My father remembers Johnson's being on tv as much, but not on as many channels,

Nixon. Sure, he didn't have the state funeral like Reagan, but there was massive coverage and retrospectives about him for most of the week he died. And I think that's more what HBox was talking about...how Reagan's political career was reflected upon, as opposed to the coverage of the funeral itself. The funeral coverage was nothing but, and should have only been, respectful and dignified (At least as dignified as the media can get).

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TheMojoPin

06-11-2004, 09:49 PM

If you went solely by the "mourning in America" coverage, you wouldn't know he did ANYTHING as president, good or bad. ALL of it was just about him "on the side", his humor, his wit, his way with words...and on and on and on. It seemed we buried the country's most prolific speechmaker...and that was it. They didn't even try to prop up the previously unavoidable assertions like that he "ended the Cold War." I heard more about jellybeans than ANY of that.

More than anything, I was let down by the so-called "liberal" outlets being just as sugary as media sources like Fox News, whom you'd expect to go overboard with the nicey-nice. And I'm NOT saying they guy should have been mocked or attacked, not at all...nobody deserves that in death. But I expected at least a more comprehensive retrospective of the man as the president. We heard more about him as a lifeguard than what he actually did as the leader of the free world.

Look back when Nixon died...the man disgraced the office and the country more than any president this century, yet the media still managed to show the man some respect and dignity in death, while still referring to what he had done as president. Reagan got NOTHING like that. 8 years typically reduced to two minute soundbytes. The reporting seemed to reflect the man's presidency itself...style over substance. Looks pretty on the top and makes you feel good at first...but look a little deeper and there's nothing there actually getting done.

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BoondockSaint

06-11-2004, 10:17 PM

Jesus MOJO. Find God and some help.

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06-11-2004, 10:22 PM

But I am Jesus Mojo...

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A.J.

06-12-2004, 08:16 AM

TextLook back when Nixon died...the man disgraced the office and the country more than any president this century, yet the media still managed to show the man some respect and dignity in death, while still referring to what he had done as president. Reagan got NOTHING like that.

CNN covered the Iran-Contra affair and the deficits.

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TheMojoPin

06-12-2004, 10:00 AM

Well, then I missed it. Of course, I only saw maybe 6-8 hours of coverage total, but caught no mention of Iran-Contra in that entire time except for one little "I don't recall" clip. I DID, however, steal that somewhat tacky "Mourning In America" from them...

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curtoid

06-12-2004, 10:50 AM

Give me Nixon Republicans over Reagan Republicans any day.

I have much more respect for Nixon and his Presidency BECAUSE we don't white wash the bad stuff away from the good. There's no way we could, since there were trials and hearings and later books, and the man left office in disgrace.

It was a Presidency that finally allowed us to look objectively, and yes cynically, at those leading the government. Finally we could question, and doubt, and not be blind sheep. Nixon's second greatest legacy is that his scandal helped wake up the American population.

With the bobbleheads tripping over themselves to reinvent history, just mentioning Iran/Contra, or Government Cheese, or AIDS, or that MAYBE he shouldn't take sole reponsibility for the end of the Soviet Union, or that the guerrillas he supported in Afghanistan became al Qaeda, or the enormous deficit when he left, or that he helped Saddam Hussein in Iraq, or El Salvador's civil war, in which more than 75,000 people (many civilians) were killed, or "Just Say No," or the United States spending $1 billion on Nicaragua's contras (who Reagan referred to as "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers") even as the fighting killed as many as 50,000, or "Star Warrs," or supporteing the repressive of Guatemala's military dictatorship where more than 200,000 people, mostly indigenous peasants, died - Reagan backed Gen. Efrain Rios Montt, who came to power in a coup and has been blamed by many human rights groups for the massacre of tens of thousands of Guatemalans, including many women and children - just hinting at that makes you unpatriotic, because - if we learned anything this week - President Reagan was a GREAT man...a GREAT President...maybe one of the GREATEST Presidents...and someone who taught us how to be optomistic again.

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HBox

06-12-2004, 11:07 AM

I heard unending stories about how he jump started the economy, and not one mention of the crash of 1987.

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AmericanAtheist

06-12-2004, 11:26 AM

Hey, I really enjoyed the interview with Grover Norquist and learning about the Reagan Legacy Project! I immediately visited their website and submitted suggestions for other things they should try naming after the late President. My first suggestion was to rename all the weapons we illegally sell to Middle Eastern countries (like Iran) after him.

In 1983, I was sent to Lebanon to evacuate Marines after the terrorist bombing of their barracks. Wouldn't it be fitting if they renamed the morgue at Quantico after the Gipper? Just a thought...

Se7en

06-12-2004, 01:44 PM

I've been trying really hard to understand why the left hates Reagan as strongly as they do.....I can understand disagreeing with his policies, but the level of bitterness and rage and contempt has kind of surprised me. And then, it hit me, looking back at Reagan's life and legacy....Not only held did he hold the lot of you in utter contempt, but he beat the living shit out of you each and every time it counted.

Despite what you desire, I think that history will be extraordinarily kind to Ron. And that must be the most bitter pill to swallow of them all.

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HBox

06-12-2004, 02:21 PM

I've been trying really hard to understand why the left(or Right) hates Reagan(or Clinton) as strongly as they do.....I can understand disagreeing with his policies, but the level of bitterness and rage and contempt has kind of surprised me. And then, it hit me, looking back at Reagan's(or Clinton's) life and legacy....Not only held did he hold the lot of you in utter contempt, but he beat the living shit out of you each and every time it counted.

Despite what you desire, I think that history will be extraordinarily kind to Ron(or Bill). And that must be the most bitter pill to swallow of them all.

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fluffernutter

06-12-2004, 02:50 PM

Yes, I understand that we have lost a President in the last week. Mojo (as per usual) cleared things up a little bit but I still just don't understand all of the hub-bub over the Reagan death and the overexcessiveness of the whole last week. Again, no disrespect as I actually thought he was an ok guy. I am too young to remember his Presidency but what I have heard over the years, he seemed to be an ok guy. Was it the fact he was also an actorthat there seemed to have been media overkill? Will Ford get this much attention when he dies? Just help me to understand a little bit here.

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Mike Teacher

06-12-2004, 03:24 PM

my quick gun to the head cause nazis are here or whatever ron say:

Why so many people going batshit: deep down, when that prez from your era dies; love him or hate him, it reminds you of that That Time is Gone. Done. Not to be repeated. And we are such a nostalgic lot; and to misquote Dali; the persistence of the memory of nostalgia is very strong.

and for me; this reminded me that the 80s are, in a real way, about, hmmmm id say it feels like hmmm: 40? 50? years back? seriously.

Media coverage? Overkill defined, but when you have all these news channels i have a suggestion; dont watch tv. i have yet to see a single second of any of this, other then what is in the papers and online.

The funeral: Yes it was schmaltzy, but that what a state funeral comes off as in 2004 i guess. Last one was what; Johnson? Wow i cant believe El BJ :) went like that. Id imagine him saying, 'ah shit just plant me out back!'

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A.J.

06-12-2004, 04:02 PM

And then, it hit me, looking back at Reagan's(or Clinton's) life and legacy....Not only held did he hold the lot of you in utter contempt, but he beat the living shit out of you each and every time it counted.

You seem to forget the midterm Congressional and gubernationorial elections of 1994.

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friars

06-12-2004, 04:14 PM

Iamglad that his suffering is over,He will be remembered fo what he did

curtoid

06-12-2004, 05:03 PM

I loved Fez's line Thursday night that the while History will be the final judge of Reagan, that the Republicans today are "trying to settle out of court." Fucking hysterical.

I still just don't understand all of the hub-bub over the Reagan death and the overexcessiveness of the whole last week. Again, no disrespect as I actually thought he was an ok guy. I am too young to remember his Presidency but what I have heard over the years, he seemed to be an ok guy. Was it the fact he was also an actorthat there seemed to have been media overkill?

It was a combination of the Republicans not understanding the Kennedy idol worship, and the stinging effects, and after effects, of the Nixon Presidency, that they made Reagan the Republican Kennedy. Anyone notice how no mention of Kennedy at all when all of the talk went to "Greatest President of the 2nd half of the 20th Century"?

Will Ford get this much attention when he dies? Just help me to understand a little bit here.

Ford will be remembered as someone who sacrificed his Presidency for helping the country heal. I liked Ford a lot. He did what needed to be done.

He was also the only President that was never actually elected...well...make that the first!

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HBox

06-12-2004, 05:31 PM

Clinton had his problems in the beginning of his term, Reagan in the end.

One difference between Reagan and Clinton is likeability. Reagan seemed like a nice man with good intentions, and the final years of his life only brought him more sympathy. Clinton, on the other hand, always seemed like a slick character, somebody you couldn't take at his word, and we all know how the final years of his term put the final nails in that coffin.

However, in terms of approval rating, they both had similar ratings. Clinton left office with slightly higher approval ratings, and had a higher average approval rating for his entire term. And a USA Today poll had Clinton rated as the third best President, above Reagan. OK, I think that's a joke, but it's what the people think.

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FUNKMAN

06-12-2004, 05:49 PM

Ford will be remembered as someone who sacrificed his Presidency for helping the country heal

one of the funnier quotes i heard that Reagan had said to Nancy after he bumped his head on the helicopter doorway:

"Now i know i could be President"

good stuff! and i have to imagine he was thinking about Ford when saying it...

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TheMojoPin

06-12-2004, 08:17 PM

I've been trying really hard to understand why the left hates Reagan as strongly as they do.....I can understand disagreeing with his policies, but the level of bitterness and rage and contempt has kind of surprised me.

Oh, come ON. This is COMPLETE overreactionary bullshit, and almost a flat-out lie. Outside of a few smartass comments here and there, almost ALL of the discussion about Reagan here have contained criticism of his policies and actions as president...but next to NONE of it has been attacks at the man himself. A bunch of us, myself included, have gone out of our ways to point that out....even though we knew some people would STILL just gloss over it all and assume we were filled with "hate, bitterness and rage" over Reagan the man.

And this has been true even for all of the so-called "liberal" media outlets, even Air America. You're hitting back at attacks on Reagan the man that exist on maybe the smallest levels and are not the focus of ANY discussion here.

I call RAGING bullshit.

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TheMojoPin

06-12-2004, 08:19 PM

It was a combination of the Republicans not understanding the Kennedy idol worship, and the stinging effects, and after effects, of the Nixon Presidency, that they made Reagan the Republican Kennedy. Anyone notice how no mention of Kennedy at all when all of the talk went to "Greatest President of the 2nd half of the 20th Century"?

BRILLIANT point.

Camelot lasted about 20 years before it really started falling down around the Kennedy family's collective ears like the glass house it was. We're seeing almost an exact repeat of the kind of myth-making today.

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HBox

06-16-2004, 01:04 PM

This is tasteless, and way too early, but imagine if it were a year from now, and you'll feel better about yourself. (http://www.bush-zombiereagan.com/)

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reeshy

06-16-2004, 01:30 PM

It is tasteless...it is way too early...but you just had to put it up there on the guise that it would have happened eventually....You truly are a stupid vagina man!!!!!!

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06-16-2004, 01:42 PM

on the guise that it would have happened eventually

I didn't put it up there under any guise. I really don't give a fuck anymore!

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NewYorkDragons80

06-16-2004, 04:05 PM

And this has been true even for all of the so-called "liberal" media outlets, even Air America.
Much of Air America was fair. The more I think about it, the more I like Al Franken, as much as I disagree with the man. However, the usual HUA Randi Rhodes was fairly vicious.

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