Luther Rains

[RF Godfather]

I decided to finally look at some dirtsheets for the hell of it (haven't checked dirtsheets in months) anywho they listed a few names that the WWE have recently copyrighted such as Mordecai, Hirohito, Eugene and Luther Rains.

Anyone have any idea who this could be? I don't recall anyone named Luther as a real name in OVW or any other indys that I am family with. Anyone?

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[mikeyboy]

Luther Rains = Lutherans.......Hmmmm....maybe Fezzie's returning to wrestling. ;)

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This message was edited by mikeyboy on 4-21-04 @ 3:55 PM

[RF Godfather]

Hehhehe gotta love the Fezzie and Lutheran jokes!

I would love to see him wrestle as well as Ronny B as his manager. Anyone got tapes of that?

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This message was edited by RonFez Mark on 4-21-04 @ 3:59 PM

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I just knew someone would bring up Fezzie! Hahahhaa, too easy!

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

It could be Brent Albright, Standing Thunder, John "Tank" Toland, but my betting is that it is none other than Mark Magnus.

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Spicy, how did you come up with those names? "Standing Thunder" seems about right.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

Tank Toland looks like a body builder. The guys a Hoss in appearance. I haven't seen his ring work, but I'm thinking they'll work him like Lesnar when he comes in cause he's HUGE.

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[RF Godfather]

I'd rather have this guy than Lesnar return. Hopefully this guy won't screw us as well as his other fans like Sell out Lesnar.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

The guys that I mentioned are all OVW stars. You gotta follow these guys. I've always thought that they should be a brand on tv for the WWE so that we could at least get an idea of who they are.

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[RF Godfather]

I used to buy OVW tapes but the wallet isn't all there anymore and their website really doesn't get updated that often.

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[Heather 8]

I'd rather have this guy than Lesnar return. Hopefully this guy won't screw us as well as his other fans like Sell out Lesnar.

For the last time, could someone please explain to me how Lesnar "sold out?"

If you wanna be pissed about him walking away, by all means go right ahead and be pissed at him for that. But he left for an uncertain future; there's no guarantee he'll be making more in the NFL. Hell, there's not even a guarantee he'll even be IN the NFL... especially if he's not more careful on his motorcycle.

Tank Toland looks like a body builder. The guys a Hoss in appearance.

Really? With a name like Tank, I was expecting some wispy Jeff Hardy-type. ;p (And before anyone asks, yes I heard that good ol' JR is trying to bring him back as well. Ugh.)

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[JesterOfSadness]

Toland kinda looks like a young Scott Steiner, i think.

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[RF Godfather]

So that means he's no total rip like Ron H20 Waterman right? Well hopefully.

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[synthfiend]

I'd rather have this guy than Lesnar return. Hopefully this guy won't screw us as well as his other fans like Sell out Lesnar.
Lesnar didn't sell out. He's not a sell out. He's a pussy bitch with no heart for the business. The 'E made his life easy. Everything was handed to him on a silver platter in no time. Make all the comparisons to Goldberg you want but Goldberg banged it out on WCW's lame assed shows for a while before he was ever allowed on Nitro and even THEN he had to go against the big guns not attack cruiserweights to get noticed and he made the natural proigression from US heavyweight champ to World Champ. It wasn't like Brock's meteoric rise to prominence. He went from the big guy beating up the Hardys and Rey Mysterio from behind after they got done with a match to AUTOMATICALLY winning the KOR, getting a title shot, multiple title reigns, a handicapped boy to molest, plenty of cruisers to throw around and abuse to make himself look good, excellent workers like Angle to make him lood good and horrible workers like Show to make him look good by comparision. He got all the perks with none of the work or time involved getting there and he couldn't handle it. It was too difficult for him. So he decided to go the the NFL where for millions of dollars, within a 3 hour time span he'd only have to work a total of maybe 20 minutes. Lesnars a weak kneed bitch of a pussy faggot. But not a sell out.

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[Se7en]

I have to disagree with synth on at least two points: Lesnar was a VERY good worker (especially once he was allowed to use something other than 80s monster heel offense), and Big Show has become one of the best heels in the entire promotion. He'll always be limited due to his size and ability, but the guy has been busting his ASS for the past few months, and that's more than can be said about most in the company these days. He's gone a damn near 180 from where he was a year & a half ago.

Lesnar didn't sell out. He simply got burned out. Personally, the way in which he DID go out (basically, disrespecting the business and acting like he's above it) has pissed me and a lot of others off, but he didn't sell out, and I honestly can't put all of the blame for his departure squarely on his shoulders - the WWE itself has some share of the blame as well, putting him into an angle that was godawful and a waste of his time & talent (i.e. the Holly feud) and "big" future plans that consisted of making him Taker's bitch, even though Lesnar finished him off well over a year ago and, at his young age & position, shouldn't have to put over the old man.

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[synthfiend]

I have to disagree with synth on at least two points: Lesnar was a VERY good worker (especially once he was allowed to use something other than 80s monster heel offense), and Big Show has become one of the best heels in the entire promotion. He'll always be limited due to his size and ability, but the guy has been busting his ASS for the past few months, and that's more than can be said about most in the company these days. He's gone a damn near 180 from where he was a year & a half ago.

Lesnar didn't sell out. He simply got burned out. Personally, the way in which he DID go out (basically, disrespecting the business and acting like he's above it) has pissed me and a lot of others off, but he didn't sell out, and I honestly can't put all of the blame for his departure squarely on his shoulders - the WWE itself has some share of the blame as well, putting him into an angle that was godawful and a waste of his time & talent (i.e. the Holly feud) and "big" future plans that consisted of making him Taker's bitch, even though Lesnar finished him off well over a year ago and, at his young age & position, shouldn't have to put over the old man.

First let me preface this by saying opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them and they all stink.

Second: What does what Show has been doing for the past couple of months have to do with how he was when he was feuding with Lesnar? Okay he's been busting his ass for the past couple of months but he feuded with Lesnar at least a year ago.

Third how in the FUCK did Brock get burned out? He wasn't doing much wrestling every week. Most of his time on Smackdown was spent doing run-ins, not wrestling matches. Go hereSmackdown match listings (http://smackdown.wwe.com/archive.html) and take a good look at what Lenar was doing, who he was facing and how long it took, and explain to me with a straight face how you get burnt out on that schedule. Oh and jsut for fun count how many cruiserweights Brock faced in singles competition as opposed to heavyweights. Unless Brock was a just a total house show freak and that's when he let it all hang out. Which it's a pretty good bet good bet Vince wouldn't allow him to be. And since PPV's only come once a month where is the harsh schedule that burnt him out? Also where is this really good I keep hearing about? Okay he came to the table at couple of pay per views and one Smackdown but that doesn't make you a great worker. I mean let's be real his every PPV appearance wasn't monumental and his Smackdown work was minimal so what am I missing? Please explain it to me. In my humble opinion: the man was weak; plain and simple. I'm glad he's gone. A space is open for a man who can actually handle wrestling for a living instead of another prima donna who believes his own hype. Good riddance

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This message was edited by synthfiend on 4-27-04 @ 9:49 AM

[hatetreehighway]

is this the guy with cristian.....

[RF Godfather]

No that's Tyson Tomko. Read other thread.

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[Se7en]

The guy with Christian is Travis (or in WWE Land, "Tyson") Tomko. He's from OVW.

Second: What does what Show has been doing for the past couple of months have to do with how he was when he was feuding with Lesnar? Okay he's been busting his ass for the past couple of months but he feuded with Lesnar at least a year ago.

You said that Show was a horrible worker.

He's not. Back when he was feuding with Lesnar, in late 2002 / early 2003, he wasn't as good as he is now, but even then, Lesnar actually pulled decent matches out of Show.

Third how in the FUCK did Brock get burned out? He wasn't doing much wrestling every week. Most of his time on Smackdown was spent doing run-ins, not wrestling matches.

Are you kidding me?

The WWE runs more dates than any wrestling promotion in the WORLD. WWE workers probably work well over 200 days out of the year. It's not as if workers only do the televised dates.

The hectic travel schedule of the WWE was Brock's NUMBER ONE stated reason for leaving the WWE. He even bought his own PLANE to make things easier. One of his particular gripes was having to fly all the way in to South Africa for their tour there, only to wind up fighting Bob Holly.

Unless Brock was a just a total house show freak and that's when he let it all hang out. Which it's a pretty good bet good bet Vince wouldn't allow him to be.

Very few upper-card wrestlers get time off from house shows. You have to be someone like HHH or Michaels.

Also where is this really good I keep hearing about? Okay he came to the table at couple of pay per views and one Smackdown but that doesn't make you a great worker.

He was / is very good.

He's not Guerrero or Benoit or even Angle level good, but he was one of the best workers on their entire roster. He put on consistent good performances and was able to carry others (like Big Show, back when Show hadn't stepped up his game) to good matches.

In my humble opinion: the man was weak; plain and simple. I'm glad he's gone. A space is open for a man who can actually handle wrestling for a living instead of another prima donna who believes his own hype. Good riddance

I disagree that Brock was weak.

He DID believe some of his own hype, but that's somewhat understandable, given how far he was allowed to go in the company in just two years - in two years, he had quite literally done it all.....or at least done everything that was worth anything. I can understand why he was pissed about getting moved down the card - it's a bitter pill to swallow to go from being top heel & champion to having to feud with Bob fucking Holly.

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Luther Rains is Kurt angles bodyguard.

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[PilotJeff]

Any idea who it is?

Pilots make the best approaches...

[IAMTHEGAME]

I guess we got our answer tonight ,Hes Angles wheel chair person.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

It's Horshu.

"Snootch to the nootch."

[RF Godfather]

Yeah Spicy it is Horshu, damn SD! fine addition!

Hopefully he'll wrestle!

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This message was edited by RonFez Mark on 4-30-04 @ 6:00 AM

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Is that the same Horshu that was a jobber on WCW Saturday Night?

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If it is the same guy, he BULKED up big time. The Horshu I remember with the silly buzzcut was tall but not that thick.

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[Se7en]

Yeah Spicy it is Horshu, damn SD! fine addition!

Hopefully he'll wrestle!


What?!

WHY!?!?!

Horshu is yet another bland, if not AWFUL, hoss who was hired more for his look and size than his ability.

What's gotten into you? You're a TNA fan, for Christ's sakes. I KNOW they have at least a few talented workers. Let me put it in perspective for you: wanting Horshu to wrestler is like hoping that the fucking Harris Bros. return to active TNA competition.

You want to know what's really sad? Dinsmore is probably ten times the worker this schmuck is, and HE's the one who gets stuck with the retard gimmick.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

See Se7en, you're right again, and it's a little unfair that Dinsmore got that gimmick. But I'm actually starting to like it. I feel that he brings a child like neivity to the show and Regal is almost like a Mr. Belvedere watching over him. The training segments these two will have on Monday for his first match are going to be hilarious, and once Dinsmore is in the ring with Conway, he'll definitely show off his skills.

"Snootch to the nootch."

[PilotJeff]

If anyone has to be stuck with the Eugene gimmick I'm glad it's Dinsmore. He's probably the only one who can pull it off both in and out of the ring. I've seen Horshu wrestle a few times. He's big and slow, just what Vince likes. But he did put on a decent match. Hopefully this bodyguard thing will be good for him.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

I haven't seen the guy wrestle, so I won't weigh in on whether or not he is a solid addition to the SD! roster. However, I will rant on in disgust of this "Eugene" gimmick they've stuck on Dinsmore.

To start it off, I have a question: Why? Why would you stick such a gimmick on a guy who has been compared to Chris Benoit repeatedly by every smark who isn't currently lying in Curt Hennings casket, cuddling his remains as the wimper silently muffing their sobs with a thumb. THE GUY IS WRESTLING GOLD. Such character personalities (sp?) who are used for comic relief should be assigned to those who show as much emotion as Bill O' Reilly at a black minister's funeral. (ie: A-Train, Matt Morgan, Batista, Garrison Cade, Mark Jindrak, Randy Orton... Ok, you should get the picture by now, and if I continue to provide examples, I'd undoubtly note the majority of the WWE roster).

So please, someone tell me why the "Eugene" act is a good idea? Hell, I'd like to even know why it was given the ol' "McMahon seal of approval" which consists of a congratulatory note, and all the dates you will be required to job to Orton or HHH. You guys can go ahead and say the skits with Dinsmore and Regal were funny. Truth is, they were. But, usually the funny wrestlers aren't not given a chance to venture outside of their comedic role, and thus are stuck in Midcard hell, which is a county of "Jobbersville".

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

all I can wish jynx is that evenutally the whole "Special" gimmick is a ploy by Bischoff and they play it off like Ed Norton did in that movie everyone mentions.

"Snootch to the nootch."

[ToddEVF]

Truth is, they were. But, usually the funny wrestlers aren't not given a chance to venture outside of their comedic role, and thus are stuck in Midcard hell, which is a county of "Jobbersville".

Sorry to burst your bubble, but being a midcarder doesn't put you in jobbersville. Unfortunately i hate to to say it but, some of the best midcarders i've seen have gone to a place called Stevie-land. Where all those who have been midcarders for a long time go to squish those in jobbersville.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is true. Maybe Eugene could pull an early ECW Mikey Whipwreck and win a title by a fluke. That would be cool.

"Snootch to the nootch."

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