Deadwood

[jafter]

Anyone else watching Deadwood?
Major spoiler if you did not watch this weeks episode.
























I was fucking pissed when I saw Wild Bill sitting with his back to the bar. I knew that was a big mistake. I can not believe they killed him off so early.

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[PanterA]

I cant believe I read that before I watched the newest episode on in demand.... I hate you Jafter...I hate you so much....

Besides that I love this show. It's got great acting, strong characters, and briliant storyline. I like it better then Sopranos.

I keep waiting for igby to say "this is my brother Darryl and my other brother Darryl."

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[jeffdwright2001]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!

I'm with you Pantera. I watched 3 episodes in a row on Saturday and then recorded the Sunday night one to watch tonight. Then like a fool I stepped in to this thread.

As for the series, I've enjoyed the character progression and the elements of humor popping out where I'm not expecting it. Jane's singing row row row your boat to a little child and then cursing like a fiend when her friend doesn't join in on the round.

I've been an Ian McShane fan since the Lovejoy Mystery days (he also had a guest spot as a baddie on an old Magnum PI episode). I love his asides. Example (talking to Saul): "Well, I appreciate you saying it, even if you didn't Fuckin' mean it".

It's a little weird every time Montanna talks, because he sounds so much like Bill Paxton.

Clearly HBO likes this series as they renewed it after showing only a couple of the episodes, whereas it took them quite a while to renew Carnivale (another favorite of mine).

Guess I get to watch Wild Bill die tonight.

[jafter]

I am sorry everyone, but it was so weird the way it happens. Watch the episode and tell me that I am wrong, you know he would never do that. A man with that reputation would never sit with his back to the room.



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[jeffdwright2001]

I am sorry everyone, but it was so weird the way it happens. Watch the episode and tell me that I am wrong, you know he would never do that. A man with that reputation would never sit with his back to the room.

It's my fault Jafter. I know better than to go into these types of threads if I'm not up-to-date in my viewing.


Any chance that Wild Bill didn't care at this point whether he lived or died? I mean, he wasn't exactly running down the best path lately. Was he a man tired of being chased and challenged. Tired of trying to live up to a reputation that had been crafted by people who didn't know him?

These questions could be crap, but something worth thinking about.

Edit: I've seen the episode now and think that my initial thoughts may be correct. Bill had just written his letter to his wife, he said good-bye to Jane, wrapped his red belt on, went to the bar to sit in a place that he specifically had not sat in before (all other times his back was to the wall), and finally - didn't even attempt to turn around when he heard someone approaching him from behind. Not the actions of a skilled gunman that is interested in saving his life.

The man was in his own words "tired".
And now for my second transgression, commenting on the episode I haven't seen yet.


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[Johnny4]

I am sorry everyone, but it was so weird the way it happens. Watch the episode and tell me that I am wrong, you know he would never do that. A man with that reputation would never sit with his back to the room.
Awesome series, and I agree it was kind of stupid for them to kill off one of the best charcters on TV in a long time. For those of you who might not know: Deadwood was an actual place and the scripts try to remain historically accurate. W.B. Hickock in real life was killed in Deadwood while playing poker by a fella named Jack with a single shot to the back of the head. The character Bullock(Montana) was a legendary figure in American history and will become the central figure of the series.

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

[jeffdwright2001]

One of my favorite lines of the night:

Wild Bill: "Call me 'Bill". Mr. Hickcock makes me look for the warrant in your hand."

[Furtherman]

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[jeffdwright2001]

Can we please NOT use spoliers?

I think it's assumed that if you haven't seen the latest episode of a show, you shouldn't go visit the thread - unless you are OK finding out spoiler type info.

My comment was that I should have known better. I clicked the link like a dork before thinking.

I won't speak for Pantera, but I suspect he had kinda the same feeling.

[Freakshow]

I've been through Deadwood. It's a picturesque place with the restorations. I think it's pretty much all about the gambling, though, and not so much about the history. It's in a super-cool part of the country with Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse monument, Badlands N.P., Wind and Jewel Cave, Custer State Park, etc...

I was very curious if the show was trying to be historically accurate. It's very cool that they are, I might have to start checking this show out.


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[TheMojoPin]

Never has a show been more appropriately titled.

Kill this shit, dump the God-awful "Carnivale," and bring back "The Wire," goddammit.

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[FMJeff]

this show rocks mojo, how could you not like it...the writing is jsut superb...."LISTEN TO THE THUNDER!" "RUN FOR YOUR FUCKIGN LIFE" "THERE'S NO BETTER BASE OF OPERATIONS THAN A SALOON"...

classic...

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[TheMojoPin]

You forgot to slip in the words "COCKSUCKER MOTHERFUCKER" every other line.

No, wait, it's EVERY line.

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[jocefus]

this show kicks major ass... got every episode on tape..

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[newport king]

i watched the first episode. everytime i flip to it it just seems like they're trying to drop as many curses in there as possible. and i agree with mojo, this show blows, carnivale was...i don;t know what the fuck it was i couldnt follow it. at least before it turned into queer as folk oz was on par with the sopranos for a few seasons.

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[FMJeff]

You forgot to slip in the words "COCKSUCKER MOTHERFUCKER" every other line.
No, wait, it's EVERY line.


Maybe that's how they spoke back then?

and its not every line...listen to the dialogue...its really quite good....

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[TheMojoPin]

You lie!

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[jeffdwright2001]

The more I watch Deadwood the more I love it. I genuinely laugh at some of the lines and situations.

Swearengen (sp?) is one of those bad guys that I can't resist liking. He thrives because he understands basic nature and needs. An episode ago he tells the kid who killed Hickock to get out of town before he's killed, either by someone else or by Swearengen himself.

It wasn't because Swearengen cared about justice. His comment (paraphrased) was that having that type of person in the saloon was bad for business. People become too agitated. Sure the drinking goes up, but the fuckin' goes down. And there's more money in the fuckin'.

If you aren't into westerns at least a little bit, this show won't appeal to you. But my wife (who isn't a huge western fan) reluctantly started watching this. And while it doesn't rank as one of her all time favorites (primarily because of the genre), she's fascinated by the characters, plotting, and dialogue to the point where she doesn't want to "not" watch the show.

I consider Deadwood and Carnivale similar in that they are very genre specific and will appeal to a smaller audience than a Sopranos, Sex in the City, and to some extent OZ. Deadwood and Carnivale have to work harder in developing not only a storyline but a fleshing out of a backstory that is more involved and slower. What this means is that it often takes longer for a viewer to become hooked. Carnivale had whole episodes where the storyline was barely moved forward, but a lot more character depth and background were uncovered.

Deadwood was renewed after the 2nd episode aired. Even the many TV critics who are taken aback by the language can't resist the show.

One more comment about the language. Mark Twain was widely regarded as an author and speaker. However, he was also regarded as a "roughneck". A drinker and gambler whose language when among the "guys" was certainly not suitable for the ears of women and children. There is discussion about how the language isn't authentic. Keep in mind that this is set in a town that is in a territory. It's a gold mining town full of basically frontier men and whores. You do see a difference in the way that the Newspaper man and the lawyers speak. There's even a difference in the two men who run the respective saloons and brothels. Yet, in the last episode we see that from a character standpoint they aren't that far apart. It's just a difference in clothing and the way in which they handle their public speaking. Even today we use difference language for different settings. I worked on the factory floor for a couple of years as a janitor. The language used by me and the guys was much different than the language used when in the offices.

[TheMojoPin]

If you aren't into westerns at least a little bit, this show won't appeal to you.

And yet, oddly enough, I'm a HUGE fan of westerns, and I just assumed that's why I can't stand this show.

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[jeffdwright2001]

If you aren't into westerns at least a little bit, this show won't appeal to you.

And yet, oddly enough, I'm a HUGE fan of westerns, and I just assumed that's why I can't stand this show.

Well, I did go on to discuss a little bit beyond that why the show might only appeal to some folks and not others.

I still think it's better than Costner's attempts and pretty much anything tossed out there by TNT.

[TheMojoPin]

I thought "Open Range" was pretty bitchin'.

I don't know, "Deadwood" just seems too forced in its overwhelming "grittiness." It seems to want to "re-do" the very style of the western, like "Unforgiven" did, but it just comes off as a very weak, very strained copy.

And look, I have no problem with swearing. And of course, they swore the fuck out of things back then. But there's a difference between being authentic and using it as a writing/acting crutch.

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[jeffdwright2001]

I was perusing the HBO Deadwood site and saw that that Doc Cochran is played by Brad Dourif who was Wormtongue in TLOTR.

I also didn't make the connection that Dan Dority (Swearengen's Bartender) is played by W. Earl Brown who was Mary's brother in "Something About Mary".

[Iamnotatool]

I hate westerns, and I love this show.

That firecracker chick, Bill's friend (cant think of her name) was caring for the guy she found sick in the woods, and he got well. Line of the night "Let me just move along before you try and push your johnson into me..."

She's gonna fuck him. Or kill him. Maybe both?

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[jeffdwright2001]

That firecracker chick, Bill's friend (cant think of her name) was caring for the guy she found sick in the woods, and he got well. Line of the night "Let me just move along before you try and push your johnson into me..."

She's gonna fuck him. Or kill him. Maybe both?
That's Calamity Jane, and she's been hilarious throughout the show. She owes the little girl a helluva lot of pennies for cursing and I think the scenes with her and Charlie (like the one by Bill's grave) are priceless.

To be honest though, I think she'll end up doing the Doc before she beds anyone else on the show. They already go at each other fighting like an old married couple.

[jeffdwright2001]

Yes, I know a lot of people on the board don't like the show, but I honestly like it more and more with each episode.

A couple of great lines last night:

Farnum: "Anything the mayor should know?"
Swearengen: "The name of another tailor."

"Get a fucking haircut. Looks like your mother fucked a monkey."
-Swearengen to Adams.

And the head Chinese honcho who only seemed to know the word "cocksucker" and always called Swearengen "Swidgen".

[Shecky]

HBO has a way with making you like a show you probably wouldn't even think about watching anywhere else.

I was never really a huge fan of westerns, but Deadwood is fucking great.

I really like the fact that Geri Jewell finally got a gig.

I hope they have her doing stand up next season.

[Legolas]

I find that what really helps with shows like this, Carnivale especially, is hbo on demand. You get to sit there and watch every single episode back to back and really get into it. You don't have to wait until next week and then finally, when they do start showing new eps, you are hooked.

I did this with The Wire, Six Feet Under, and Carnivale.

I'm still undecided on watching the Sopranos. I tired to watch a couple of eps and just couldn't get into it. I also felt like I was just jumping on the bandwagon

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[jeffdwright2001]

I finally caught the season finale Monday night (I'd recorded it).

Great episode and I hope it isn't 3 years before the 2nd season.

Huzzah.

[Iamnotatool]

This show rocks...

Swearengen is a lunatic. I can't take my eyes off him when he's on screen.

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[FMJeff]

he's not a lunatic...he's complicated...he's a product of his upbringing and the times...it's really difficult to dismiss the man...at times he shows remarkable displays of compassion and affection...

this really is the best show on television next to the wire...in fact i'd say they're both equally excellent with deadwood edging out only because its a period peice requiring costumes, sets, and research...

i was blown away by the season finale...the quiet human moments...its just wonderful television...

bravo hbo...best 10 a month i ever fucking spent...showtime...cinemax....get off your fucking asses..

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[Iamnotatool]

Cocksuckers!! (http://c.adorablebunnies.com/UPLOAD/Deadwood%20-%20cocksuckers.wmv )

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[FMJeff]

last night's episode was chock full of awesomeness

the bullock - sweringer fight was the best ive seen on tv in years...they really fucked each other up

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[Kevin]

Very good episode last night.

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[King Imp]

Does anyone know where I might be able to find a pic of Swearengen's bloody face when he looked up at the kid and said "Welcome to Deadwood"?

I've tried the HBO site and even wanted to do a video capture because it was in their previews, but those previews aren't there.

Oh yeah, and this was one hell of a way to kick off a season. WOW!

Calamtiy Jane to the stagecoach: "Cocksuckers!" :)

[Kevin]

Where are you. You pie faced son of a bitch.

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[Kevin]

God god that bladder operation was the biggest cringe moment i have seen in a long time.

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[smiler grogan]

Kevin your so right. I was squeaming in uncomfortableness watching Al. Before that though how funny was it hearing Jewel scream fuck.

[King Imp]

Wow, I hate to say it, but this show pretty much sucks without Al in it. He is proof positive that the series completely revolves around him.

Also, I am getting annoyed with the Farnum character. All he does is babble on and on and never even makes any sense. I really wish someone would lay him out for not shutting up.

[HBox]

"So that means cutting through his taint?"

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[Kevin]

Man. being sick in those days was fing Brutal!!!!

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<FIELDSET style="WIDTH: 450px"><LEGEND><FONT color=#3175bd size=2><STRONG>QUOTE</STRONG><BR></FONT></LEGEND>Wow, I hate to say it, but this show pretty much sucks without Al in it. He is proof positive that the series completely revolves around him. <BR><BR>Also, I am getting annoyed with the Farnum character. All he does is babble on and on and never even makes any sense. I really wish someone would lay him out for not shutting up. <BR><BR><BR></FIELDSET>
<P>Al is really fucking dominating, but the new character wilcoxx (sp) is becoming a subtle cocksucker to hate.
<P>Farnum is annoying as hell when he goes into a rant its amazing to watch</P>

[Kevin]

San Francisco COCKSUCKER

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[smiler grogan]

<P>jimmy is great comic relief</P>
<P>last season when he lost his voice and did hand signals to Al it was gold</P>

[smiler grogan]

Holy shit those fucking stones.

[Gmann]

My penis hurts from watching.

[King Imp]

<SPAN class=postbody>Without saying a single word, the ending spoke volumes. Thank God Al is gonna be back and speaking next week.<BR></SPAN>

[FMJeff]

best show on television...consistently awesome every fucking week....

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[Iamnotatool]

Swooogen!!! Cocksuckah!!!!


Learn some English woo!!!


Crop Ears??? fucking hysterical


Only problem I got w/ the show is the guy that just got killed 2 weeks ago, Slippery Dan or whatever his name was, is the new Perv in town. Same fucking guy?! Hire someone else...

Sweargen's right hand man, the retard from Something abou Mary, is the best part of the show.


Sorry, not taking confessions today.

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[JimBeam]

<p>Dude I didn't even know that guy was the kid from Something About Mary.</p><p>Did anybody see it last week ( 4/17 ) ?</p><p>I missed the first 15 minutes.</p><p>What's in that parcell that Swearengen is carrying around ?</p><p>And did he kill that guy Dan was fighting with ( the guy that the teacher lady was trying to get to kill that tramp who's husbad got killed ).</p>

I have balls !!!

[FMJeff]

you need ondemand my friend....

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[JimBeam]

<p>Tell me about it.</p><p>Either that or I just have to catch it on any of the 15 times its on the 80 HBO channels that I have.</p>

I have balls !!!

[King Imp]

<p>Considering I found this on Page 3, I assume most are like me and feel this season sucks compared to Season 1. </p><p>Unless Swearengen or Jane are speaking, I am bored to tears. All this Comstock and annexation crap nearly puts me to sleep. </p>

[cougarjake13]

anyone interested in deadwood coming back ??? its back on sunday june 11 which i guess is right after sopranos ends

[DirtyJersey]

I'm interested, I've always been surprised that Deadwood doesn't get the following it deserves. I guess people just aren't into westerns like they used to be.

[Tall_James]

<p>I guess people just aren't into westerns like they used to be. </p><p>Guess again.</p><p><img height="333" src="http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/03/30/imageNY12603302210.jpg" width="512" border="0" /></p>

[Plethora]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />anyone interested in deadwood coming back ??? its back on sunday june 11 which i guess is right after sopranos ends<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em><strong>I can't wait.&nbsp; </strong></em>Deadwood is perhaps the single most well written show in TV history.&nbsp; I'd be hard pressed to think of anything that tops it.&nbsp; The dramatic tension built in the show is remarkble.&nbsp; There's easy to enjoy obvious stuff and then there's the understated, <em>implied </em>stuff that is absolutely sublime.&nbsp; All delivered in Victorian English that appears to me at least to be the work of amazingly talented and dedicated writers.&nbsp; All performed by excellent actors.&nbsp; The idea that the fellow that plays Swearengen (Ian McShane) lost the emmy to whoever he lost to... is insane on a level of Pulp Fiction losing to Forrest Gump.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>Deadwood is perhaps the single most well written show in TV history.&nbsp; I'd be hard pressed to think of anything that tops it.</p><p>I sure can.&nbsp; Conveniently, it's also on the same network.</p><p><img src="http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/downloads/wallpaper_mcnulty_640x480.jpg" border="0" /></p>

[Plethora]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p>Deadwood is perhaps the single most well written show in TV history. I'd be hard pressed to think of anything that tops it.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I sure can. Conveniently, it's also on the same network.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I've not seen it yet.&nbsp; I'll check it out.&nbsp; You've seen all of Deadwood and think The Wire is better?&nbsp; Just curious if you're actually comparing them, or just really dig The Wire....&nbsp;</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>I only saw most of the first season of DW before just finally completely losing interest and forgetting it was on.&nbsp; I've seen probably 3 or 4 episodes since then and it really didn't keep me wanting to watch.&nbsp; I love westerns, especially &quot;post-modern&quot; takes on the whole genre, but DW just really left me cold.&nbsp; It felt really aimless and finite in the plot and character possibilites and I think would have worked much better as a mini series.&nbsp; Now I don't think it's a &quot;bad&quot; show at all...in fact, the acting on it is quite excellent...it just never clicked for me as a whole.&nbsp; I think what it sounds like you're describing when you say &quot;dramatic tension&quot; is something I actually don't like in my dramatic TV shows...I prefer a slow burn type of arc or season instead of climax after climax.&nbsp; &quot;Peaks and valleys&quot; in the drama gets tiring...it's why a show like <em>The Shield </em>ends up actually leaving me bored and not interested.</p><p>I know plenty will disagree, but I'd happily make the argument that <em>The Wire</em> might actually be the best written dramatic series to date.&nbsp; Obviously, it's not gonna be for everyone, just like how I'm not a fan of DW, but TW is more of what I like to see...the show's biggest strength is also its biggest flaw: you HAVE to watch it from the beginning.&nbsp; It's impossible to just pick up from any point and fall right in, even with a season premier...the whole series is just THAT intricately laid out.&nbsp; I also prefer the acting...it's much more subtle and, in my opinion, refined...DW has too much bombast, like everyone is trying to out-act everyone else.</p><p>But, like I said, it's not for everyone.&nbsp; To each their own.</p>

[Plethora]

<p>Nice reply Mojo, I appreciate it.&nbsp; Sometimes it feels like folks here are all just yelling in a crowded bar... It's interesting I've not seen The Wire, but the very reasons you cited for loving TW are similar to what I love about DW.&nbsp; I think DW is remarkably subtle and layered, but also has easily enjoyable surface story arcs.&nbsp; I don't know that I dig westerns in particular really.&nbsp; I believe I dig DW so much because I find the writing on DW impressive on a number of levels -- it sounds strikingly beautiful at times (which is often in stark and interesting contrast to the topic, the characters or the scenery), it moves the story along in interesting ways shaped strongly by the traditions of the times &amp; just plain sounds tough to write.&nbsp; I write &amp; to me, almost every episode feels like somewhere a writer just has a big old grin on their face for pulling it off.</p><p>And, I think DW shares a similar flaw regarding watching from the beginning... much of the most interesting dynamics &amp; tension in a given scene in DW would be lost on someone that hasn't seen all of the previous eps.&nbsp;</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>I might have to try DW again and give it another shot...most of my friends that really like it insist it became a truly great show after the 1st season.&nbsp; Is this the 3rd or 4th season coming up now?&nbsp; If it's just a 3rd, it'd be pretty easy for me to catch up and to be honest, I'd love to have a new dramatic show that I wanna watch week after week.&nbsp; Until <em>The Wire</em> and <em>Rescue Me</em> come back on, I've got <em>The Sopranos</em> and that's about it.</p><p><em>The Wire</em> doesn't come back on until the fall, so if you can, try out the first season and see what you think.&nbsp; It has a lot of the feel of <em>Homicide</em>, which I absolutely adored, but more drawn out and &quot;sophisticated&quot; since it's on HBO.&nbsp; The head writers are mostly ex-cops, beat journalists and mystery/crime book authors, so it definitely has a very different voice from not only other cop shows, but most dramas in general.</p>

[angrymissy]

<p>I wasn't really into Deadwood either, but it really grew on me, it's a great show</p><p>I thought the Wire got cancelled?</p>

[Plethora]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Is this the 3rd or 4th season coming up now? <br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>3rd season is set to premiere on June 11th.&nbsp; The finale of season two had a bunch of open threads and big cliffhangers so it will be interesting to see how they carry on.</p><p><a href="http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/" target="_blank">http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/</a></p><p>Btw, had a moment of panic after reading the HBO page and seeing that a writer/producer for TW was Ed Burns... Luckily it's this Ed Burns</p><p><img width="133" height="200" border="0" src="http://www.dailyceleb.com/thumbs/tn.DC.139654.jpg" />&nbsp;</p><p>And not this utterly douchey Ed Burns:</p><p>&nbsp;<img width="264" height="400" border="0" src="http://lilithlotr.ejwsites.net/Elijah/screencaps/ash-weds/EdwardBurns.jpg" /></p><p>I imagine you already know, but the moving force behind DW is David Milch of <em>Hill Street Blues </em>and <em>NYPD Blue </em>fame...</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>angrymissy</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I wasn't really into Deadwood either, but it really grew on me, it's a great show</p><p>I thought the Wire got cancelled?</p><p>Almost.&nbsp; It got picked up for the upcoming 4th season at almost literally the last minute.</p><p>I hope HBO tries to push it even just a bit this time around...they basically just toss the show out there with little to no push or promotion.&nbsp; Hell, when do those HBO original programming montages, the show is never in them!&nbsp; If there was any justice, they'd put the show on at 10 PM after <em>The Sopranos</em> when it comes back for its final episodes.&nbsp; <em>6 Feet Under</em> and <em>Big Love</em> got the same help, and they're incredibly different from the show that lead into them.&nbsp; Put a show that's essentially an urban crime drama after a hugely popular show about mobsters?&nbsp; Man, that's just crazy talk!</p><p>I just want it to do well enough to make it to a 5th season...the creators have always been clear that they have 5 seasons' worth of stories to tell, and it would be awesome if they can wrap it up as planned.</p><p>Btw, had a moment of panic after reading the HBO page and seeing that a writer/producer for TW was Ed Burns... Luckily it's this Ed Burns</p><p>He's an interesting guy...was a Baltimore cop and detective for years before becoming a public school teacher and then finally a writer.&nbsp; His life and experiences make up a good bulk of what's seen on the show, and the 4th season is focusing on the school system in Baltimore so I'm very curious to see how that ends up.</p><p>The main creative force is David Simon, an author and Baltimore reporter who wrote the book that inspired <em>Homicide: Life on The Street</em>, a show he ended up as a writer on.&nbsp; Another writer is George Pelacanos, a mystery/crime auhtor who writes fantastic novels usually set in Baltimore or Washington DC.</p>

[HBox]

Deadwood's new season premieres tonight, and I forgot everything from last season.<br />

[cougarjake13]

<p>yeh the only thing i really remember from last year is sweargen having to pass a stone, and montana agreeing to be sheriff</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[Plethora]

<p>Good opening episode.&nbsp; I'm excited about this year of Deadwood -- the last full season of Deadwood, <a href="http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-hbo-deadwoodmovies,0,1761625.story" target="_blank">the series will end with 2 two-hour movies</a>.</p><p>Best line of last night <em>had</em> to be Calamity Jane -- &quot;D'oh... pee puddle... I must not have seen that when I seated myself.&quot;</p><p>And everything is set to explode again -- the elections... Hearst vs the camp... Hearst vs Swerengen in particular...<em> Excellent</em>.&nbsp; I can't wait for next Sunday.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Plethora</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Good opening episode.&nbsp; I'm excited about this year of Deadwood -- the last full season of Deadwood, <a href="http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-hbo-deadwoodmovies,0,1761625.story" target="_blank">the series will end with 2 two-hour movies</a>. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>that sucks i didnt know they were endin it like that, are the 2 two hr movies going to be theatrical releases or just on hbo ???</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[Plethora]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Plethora</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Good opening episode. I'm excited about this year of Deadwood -- the last full season of Deadwood, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-hbo-deadwoodmovies,0,1761625.story">the series will end with 2 two-hour movies</a>. </p><p> </p><p>that sucks i didnt know they were endin it like that, are the 2 two hr movies going to be theatrical releases or just on hbo ???</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I would say most definitely on HBO.&nbsp; I'm glad to see that they're going to have the time to put a satisfying ending on this series as it's easily my favorite.&nbsp; Sad to see it go, glad to see it go out well.</p><p>Carnivale was a flawed show but to have it go out like it did was... awful.&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Plethora</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I would say most definitely on HBO.&nbsp; I'm glad to see that they're going to have the time to put a satisfying ending on this series as it's easily my favorite.&nbsp; Sad to see it go, glad to see it go out well. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>was it always planned this way ??? i mean they could probably do a few more seasons no???</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[FMJeff]

<p>if any of you had any doubts about deadwood, rent this past sunday's episode on ondemand (its free if you have it) </p><p>the fight between the captain and dan was knock down drag out the best fight ive ever seen on television between two really strong overweight gentlemen. &nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>FMJeff</strong> wrote:<br /><p>if any of you had any doubts about deadwood, rent this past sunday's episode on ondemand (its free if you have it) </p><p>the fight between the captain and dan was knock down drag out the best fight ive ever seen on television between two really strong overweight gentlemen. &nbsp;</p><p>the fight was cool but what i dont understand is why they dont just kill hearst.. why bother keep fucking around</p><p>and also why the fuck would hostetler kill himself b/c the white dude was being an ignorant paranoid asshole... i'd just say fuck you take my money and leave</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>wyatt earp has arrived in deadwood, being played by brian from queer as folk</p><p>how could they cast this guy as wyatt ???</p><p><img height="225" src="http://www.queer-as-folk.net/7_brian.jpg" width="200" border="0" /></p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[Gmann]

<p>Ok....right off the bat....I don't like the Deadwood interpretation of Wyatt Earp. Every Wyatt Earp movie Ive seen has him being a more serious law abiding guy. Kind of like Bullock but more so.&nbsp;And I don't think he ever drank.....and in last nights episode he did a shot with Al. And is it even historically accurate that the Earps even visited Deadwood before Tombstone ??</p><p>Ok....why don't they just shank Hearst already ?? Feed him to the pigs...no ones the wiser. </p><p>And when did I miss the Nigger General and Aunt Lou first meeting ? Her running to him for help like she already knew him....maybe I missed a few minutes in an episode...pee break or something. </p>

[hydee]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>wyatt earp has arrived in deadwood, being played by brian from queer as folk</p><p>how could they cast this guy as wyatt ???</p><p><img width="200" height="225" border="0" src="http://www.queer-as-folk.net/7_brian.jpg" /></p><p><img width="300" height="100" border="0" src="http://home.comcast.net/%7Ebob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have been a fan of Gale harolds for over 6 years he is a great actor that will be featured on the new fox series Vanished.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Gale was ok though. I think he could have added a bit of danger to Wyatt Earp, I will always look back at Kurt Douglas's Wyatt Earp and think that is the way its done.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I also think they spent to much time on Wyatt and his brother with all the things that are going on this season why spend it on guest stars that are only going to be around for 2 episodes. No Alma, No trixie, 45 minutes on the Earps that really to much.<br /></p>

[Gmann]

I was kinda glad there was no Alma in this episode. She's really starting to get on my fucking nerves with her druggie shit. Let her OD and let that be the end of her for the season finale. And for that matter.....kill off the little blonde girl too. Her voice annoys me.

[jeffdwright2001]

<strong>Gmann</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Ok....right off the bat....I don't like the Deadwood interpretation of Wyatt Earp. Every Wyatt Earp movie Ive seen has him being a more serious law abiding guy. Kind of like Bullock but more so.&nbsp;And I don't think he ever drank.....and in last nights episode he did a shot with Al. And is it even historically accurate that the Earps even visited Deadwood before Tombstone ??</p><p>And when did I miss the Nigger General and Aunt Lou first meeting ? Her running to him for help like she already knew him....maybe I missed a few minutes in an episode...pee break or something. </p><p>Answer for the Earps:</p><p>So, Wyatt and Morgan left Dodge City for <a href="http://www.blackhillsvisitor.com/main.asp?id=14&cat_id=30018">Deadwood</a> on September 9, 1876, in a wagon drawn by the best four-horse hitch money could buy, heading for new opportunities in the booming Black Hills. <br /><br />At Sidney, Nebraska, they met up with Bat returning south to Dodge City. Masterson warned the Earps that Deadwood was overcrowded with prospectors. &ldquo;I&rsquo;ve started for Deadwood and I&rsquo;m going in,&rdquo; insisted Wyatt. &ldquo;I may strike something the rest have overlooked.&rdquo; <br /><br />Pointing their horses northward, Wyatt and Morgan headed for the hills. The brothers arrived in Deadwood to find the situation exactly as described by Masterson; Deadwood gulch was jammed with prospectors, miners, promoters and fortune hunters. After looking over the situation, Morgan decided to return to Dodge City before winter closed in. Wyatt was convinced that a sober man could prospect for gold dust at the gaming tables of Deadwood saloons. It also been reported (one account from Seth Bullock's son) that the Earps had been recruited as &quot;muscle&quot; by some party in Deadwood to help with mining claims, and didn't just show up looking for color.<br />&nbsp;</p><p>There's more on Wyatt in Deadwood if you want to go to <a href="http://www.blackhillsvisitor.com/main.asp?id=14&cat_id=30273" target="_self">this site</a>&nbsp;There is even a link on the second page for Seth Bullock.</p><p>As for the Nigger General, he knew Aunt Lou from meals she'd prepared for him back before the horse broke loose and killed Seth's son.</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Didnt Aunt Lou show up this season ?</p><p>The horse went crazy last season.</p><p>I'm sure the Earps will wind up siding w/ Bullock/Al against the hired guns that come into town.</p><p>Plus isnt there a chance that they're lying about who they are ?</p><p>That they're just pretending to be the Earps ?</p><p>Surely their name/reputation would be better than faking a gunfight w/ imaginery stagecoach robbers.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by JimBeam on 8-1-06 @ 1:35 PM</span>

[cougarjake13]

<p>aunt lou asked the nigger general an episode or 2 ago to convince her son to leave right away and not meet with hearst, other then the nigger general being the only other black person around, at least the only one they show, i guess she felt he could convince him to leave for some reason</p><p>other than that i dont think they explain why she went to him</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Looks like Bullock pulls somebody else by the ear tonight.</p><p>I think he got that from his wife the teacher.</p>

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm split on how the season's going. The stuff around Hearst is just brilliant -- Gerald McRainey should get an Emmy nomination for his acting as Hearst. But there seem to be these extraneous plots that don't seem to be going anywhere. Alma's just gotten insuferable, I don't know what the deal with the theatre people is, and I'm not sure I want to think about Calamity Jane and Joanie gettin' it on. (Joanie's fine; Calamity Jane, on the other hand...)

We'll see. It looks like the theatre plot does give some sort of payoff tonight, but I don't know where you go from there.

[JimBeam]

<p>I agree that I'm done w/ Alma. I was done w/ her after Bullock banged her.</p><p>The Trixie angle, with Saul, is getting kinda lame but I love how she just rants and fires off on stuff at times. She's clearly one of the better characters.</p><p>Some of the Hearst stuff should come to a boil tonight .. I hope.</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Pretty good episode last night if not for too much on the schoolhouse.</p><p>Next week I think Al kicks the crap out of the guy w/ the white hair ( that had beaten up Merrick and who Bullock had locked in jail ).</p><p>I didnt get what was going on when the one dude who got shot in the leg kept saying to Wyatt Earp's brother.</p><p>What was he meaning by &quot; Hyram &quot; ?</p><p>Also I missed a few seconds when the old guy was let out of jail. Did he say anything to Bullock ?</p>

[King Imp]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Next week I think Al kicks the crap out of the guy w/ the white hair ( that had beaten up Merrick and who Bullock had locked in jail ). </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I hope that's who it is because at quick glance my first thought was it might be Jack Langrishe. I hope it isn't because I'm really liking his character, but I could see Swearengen getting pissed off, thinking Langrishe is working with Hearst behind his back. </p>

[jeffdwright2001]

<p>Am I the only one who thought it was hilarious that Al was so pissed at everyone being at the amateur night?</p><p>Then we find out it's because he's stuck minding the bar and unable to perform his song (or possibly upset that he knows with his reputation he couldn't allow anyone to even see him sing if he wanted to).</p><p>Either way, pretty damn funny watching him serenade the moose head.</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>That was a good scene ( with Al ).</p><p>I doubt Al would do anything to Langrishe. They go way back.</p><p>I think Aunt Lou's gonna end up killing Hearst. Either through some violent way, like a stabbing, or a more calm way like poisoning.</p><p>Another under-rated character who doesnt get to do much is Richardson.</p><p>That guy's hilarious.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I didnt get what was going on when the one dude who got shot in the leg kept saying to Wyatt Earp's brother.</p><p>What was he meaning by &quot; Hyram &quot; ?</p><p>Also I missed a few seconds when the old guy was let out of jail. Did he say anything to Bullock ?</p><p>yeh i was wondering what the fuck the whole hyram thing was ... where the earps jewish or maybe he was calling them cheap ?? i dont know</p><p>as for the old guy he did say something to bullock but he kinda mumbled it and i couldnt understand him, i had it on dvr and i rewound it a few times and still couldnt hear it</p>

[Phaedrus220]

<p>The show is accurate in a general way.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fact is, George Hearst,
father of Wm R. Hearst, became a big shot politician post-Deadwood.&nbsp;
Appointed as a Senator for 6 mo. per HBO's Deadwood links.&nbsp; He won't
die in this series.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I've really enjoyed this show, and not unlike the reparte between mojo and plethora, I've argued the show and convinced my girl to watch.&nbsp; She laughs outloud at dialogue this season.&nbsp; Someone said earlier that he was a writer and appreciated what it must be like for the writers; I agree.&nbsp; The intense effort towards realistic dramatization, within the rough outline of historical accuracy, deserves scrutiny and appreciation.<br /></p>

[JimBeam]

<p>I understand your point about the history of the actual Hearst but how can they not kill that cock-sucker ?</p><p>I'll be very disappointed if he gets out of this.</p><p>Maybe they'll take some liscence with it.</p>

[dotsncoms]

I totally love Deadwood! if you go to Deadwood.com you can see a webcam of main street. The research is incredible. Tom Mix&nbsp;is my relative, I look just like him. Ronny B. went there, he 'll tell you about it if you call him!

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by dotsncoms on 8-12-06 @ 6:23 PM</span>

[JimBeam]

<p>So has anybody found out if they are going to extend the show another season ?</p><p>Last I had heard they were going to do 2 s-hour movies and that was it.</p><p>Has that changed ?</p><p>Last night's episode was goo.</p><p>Langriche's character, in the short time he's been there, has been one of the best in any of the seasons.</p><p>I wish Adam's was playing more of a role though.</p><p>Even if they don't kill Hearst before it's over I hope they kill those 2 humps that were involved in killing Alma's old man.</p>

[UnknownPD]

<p>Langriche's character, in the short time he's been there, has been one of the best in any of the seasons.</p><p>I like the Langrishe character, but I gotta admit I have no idea why an &quot;acting troupe&quot; is part of the show.</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>I'm guessing that the theater is&nbsp;one of the actual historical references.</p><p>Do you get the impression that Langrische ( Sp ??? ) was a bad-*ss like Al in the old days and has just turned over a new leaf ?</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm guessing that the theater is&nbsp;one of the actual historical references.</p><p>Do you get the impression that Langrische ( Sp ??? ) was a bad-*ss like Al in the old days and has just turned over a new leaf ?</p><p>near the end of last night's episode when they were talking in the bar langrische said something about not being strong even in his younger days but he could still be useful to Al in other ways like a spy or something</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>How do you think Al got so tight with him ?</p><p>As we can see Al doesnt have much use for people that dont serve his purposes.</p>

[docgoblin]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm guessing that the theater is one of the actual historical references.</p><p>Do you get the impression that Langrische ( Sp ??? ) was a bad-*ss like Al in the old days and has just turned over a new leaf ?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It does seem to be a part of the historical accuracy of the camp. Apparently the troupe was there during the time Hurst became a prominent player. I'm just learning of the true history of Deadwood, but while there are obvious Hollywood liberties at play in the series, the story itself seems to keep close to the actual history.&nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[King Imp]

<p>I really hope these 2 movies they have planned aren't far behind the end of this series. You know they won't even come close to resolving anything in the final episode and just when the season was really getting good, POOF it's gone. </p>

[nate1000]

<p>Great site for info on real vs. fictional deadwood: </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-DeadwoodHBO.html">http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-DeadwoodHBO.html</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>I didn't get the impression that Langrishe was gay.</p><p>I mean I know he's very flamboyant and all, and his other buddies in the troupe seems to be flaming, but I didn;t think he was gay.</p><p>That site says the real one was married.</p><p>Plus I don;t think Al would be as close to a guy that he thought would hurt his rep.</p>

[King Imp]

<p>My God, I was crying from laughing so hard at this. The Larry King quotes are hysterical. </p><p><a href="http://www.tubewad.com/madtv-parody-of-hbo-s-deadwood-824-p.html" target="_self">MadTV's skit of Deadwood</a>&nbsp;</p>

[docgoblin]

<p>The end of Deadwood! God forbid America can deal with a TV program that has some intelligence attached to it... Bring on another pathetic mindless reality show!</p><p>Read the sad details below:&nbsp;</p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/dead_end_entertainment_adam_buckman.htm" target="_self" title="Deadwood done!">http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/dead_end_entertainment_adam_buckman.htm</a>

[cougarjake13]

<p>why would they cancel a show if it's doing well ratings wise ???</p><p>i could understand if the creator wanted to end it while it was still on a high note but from the article it sounded like hbo wanted to end it</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>When I originally heard that they were canceling it I heard that they were doing it because they pulled the writer off of the project so he could write some new show about surfers.</p>

[BoondockSaint]

FUCKING CUNTS!

[bobrobot]

<p><strong><font color="#000099">Remember Monday August 28th is &quot;Cancel HBO Day&quot; in protest of the cancellation of Deadwood!!!</font></strong></p><p><img height="351" src="http://nyt.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135218606099.jpeg" width="244" border="0" /></p>

[JimBeam]

As much as I'd love to cancel The Wire's coming back in a few weeks and that'd be cutting off my nose o spite my face .... or something like that.

[cougarjake13]

<p>i really only watch hbo for sopranos and deadwood so i'll be one of the ones to cancel it</p><p>fuck them</p>

[BoondockSaint]

I wish they would have known this would be the last episode because if they did there is no way that Al would have let that cocksucker leave town.&nbsp; Those movies better fucking rule.

[King Imp]

<p>Very anti-climatic ending to say the least. I expected at least a little something to go down between Hearst's goons and the groups that Al got together. </p>

[Don Stugots]

i never watched the show but caught the last 10 minutes of it while waiting for room service to arrive (hotels in Baltimore move slow).&nbsp; i was stunned by the blah ending.&nbsp; if i was a long time fan of this show i would be pissed.&nbsp;

[nate1000]

<p>I thought it was very tense- if Tolliver has shot that chick, while everyone in the street had their guns drawn below on the street, all hell would have broken loose. </p><p>The nice part is that now that Hearst has left town- the story has a bit of licence to work with, while still being true to history- i.e. dealing with Hearst through his agents in Deadwood. There was no way they would have offed Hearst, but this clearly has to get bloody before it wraps up. &nbsp;</p>

[UnknownPD]

<p>HBO decided not to finance a fourth season of the <em><strong>profane</strong></em> western series</p><p><font size="2"><strong>What an asshole. The only comment the guy has on the show is Profane?</strong></font> </p>

[bobrobot]

<p><strong>STUGOTS1</strong> wrote:<br />i never watched the show but caught the last 10 minutes of it while waiting for room service to arrive (hotels in Baltimore move slow).&nbsp; i was stunned by the blah ending.&nbsp; if i was a long time fan of this show i would be pissed.&nbsp; </p><p><strong><font color="#000099">Dude, What hotel R U in??? I'll B rite over!!!</font></strong></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by bobogolem on 8-28-06 @ 10:27 AM</span>

[JimBeam]

<p>I was semi-disappointed as I wanted some more blood shed.</p><p>I did like a few parts though especially when Al has those chats with the head in the box.</p><p>Al had good lines when he was describing what would happen when/if the plan to trick Hearst went wrong.</p><p>I didn't like that Bullock had no problem w/ Al killing the innocent girl. I know he was thinking in the long scheme of things but it still shouldn't have sta right with him.</p><p>Word is the movies won't be seen until late 2007 or 2008.</p>

[Dre]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I was semi-disappointed as I wanted some more blood shed.</p><p>I did like a few parts though especially when Al has those chats with the head in the box.</p><p>Al had good lines when he was describing what would happen when/if the plan to trick Hearst went wrong.</p><p>I didn't like that Bullock had no problem w/ Al killing the innocent girl. I know he was thinking in the long scheme of things but it still shouldn't have sta right with him.</p><p>Word is the movies won't be seen until late 2007 or 2008.</p><p>We're obviously getting screwed on the movies front, we need it quicker. And, what did everyone think of the murder of Leon by Tolliver, (who might I say is completely off his f'in rocker) ?</p>

[runnerkid]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><br /><p>I didn't like that Bullock had no problem w/ Al killing the innocent girl. I know he was thinking in the long scheme of things but it still shouldn't have sta right with him.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I agree.&nbsp; That made no sense given his history.</p><p>I kinda wanted Bullock to go crazy this last eppisode, because I kinda thought they have been keeping him at bay the last 2 seasons.&nbsp; I thought it was his turn to clean house. &nbsp;</p><p>The only thing I was thinking, is that if this is based on the historical accounts, maybe this is what went down? &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;I did like Al down scrubbing the floor at the end.&nbsp; If it was on purpose and they knew the series was ending, it was cool because it is kinda how he started out.&nbsp; If not, it felt like the ending of Married With Children, like WTF!<br /></p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Y eah I thin Al and his gang are a wierd story.</p><p>I mean you kinda like them actually I like the ma lot, but if you think about how cut-thraot ( pun intended ) they are they're actually despicable characters.</p><p>I man look how the show started.</p><p>Dan killing Alma's husband. Didn't Al have the orphan girl's parents killed ?</p><p>Its almost like we've been made to forget all those things.</p>

[jeffdwright2001]

<p>From what I've read, the final episode was filmed before the decision to end the series was made.</p><p>The writers/directors thought they had more time to finish out the series.&nbsp; So this was a season finale not a series finale.</p>

[runnerkid]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>jeffdwright2001</strong> wrote:<br /><p>From what I've read, the final episode was filmed before the decision to end the series was made.</p><p>The writers/directors thought they had more time to finish out the series. So this was a season finale not a series finale.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>well cool they are giving them some sort of closure.&nbsp;</p>