Dubya and Ashcroft declare war on pornography

[Doomstone]

Fuck these freedom hating motherfuckers! Fuck them up their righteous fundamentalist asses! (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)



In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely offered in guestrooms of major hotel chains.

Department officials say they will send "ripples" through an industry that has proliferated on the Internet and grown into an estimated $10 billion-a-year colossus profiting Fortune 500 corporations such as Comcast, which offers hard-core movies on a pay-per-view channel.




In a speech in 2002, Ashcroft made it clear that the Justice Department intends to try. He said pornography "invades our homes persistently though the mail, phone, VCR, cable TV and the Internet," and has "strewn its victims from coast to coast."

Given the millions of dollars Americans are spending each month on adult cable television, Internet sites and magazines and videos, many may see themselves not as victims but as consumers, with an expectation of rights, choices and privacy.

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance, and has fought unrelenting criticism that he has trod roughshod on civil liberties in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, is taking on the porn industry at a time when many experts say Americans are wary about government intrusion into their lives.

The Bush administration is eager to shore up its conservative base with this issue. Ashcroft held private meetings with conservative groups a year and a half ago to assure them that anti-porn efforts are a priority.




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[Tall_James]

Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography.

Are they hiring?


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[Melrapuo]

Aren't there more important things to be worrying about than late-night HBO shows?

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[TheMojoPin]

Of course not, sillyhead.

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[HBox]

I can't wait for the porn supports terrorism commercials that I am sure are imminent.

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[PanterA]

Well if it's anything like the Iraq war, they'll destroy a few porn businessess, arrest Ron Jeromy, and move on to something else 6 months later.

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[TheMojoPin]

While renegade porn workers strike back with guerilla-style double pentration-attacks on unsuspecting occupying American troops?

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[Yerdaddy]

The Justice Department recently hired Bruce Taylor, who was instrumental in a handful of convictions obtained over the past year and unsuccessfully represented the state in a 1981 case, Larry Flynt vs. Ohio.

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Taylor, who has been involved in the prosecution of more than 700 pornography cases since the 1970s, including at the Justice Department in the late 1980s and early '90s, declined to be interviewed. But he did talk to reporters for the PBS program Frontline in 2001, when he was president of the National Law Center for Children and Families, an anti-porn group.

"Just about everything on the Internet and almost everything in the video stores and everything in the adult bookstores is still prosecutable illegal obscenity," he said.

"Some of the cable versions of porno movies are prosecutable. Once it becomes obvious that this really is a federal felony instead of just a form of entertainment or investment, then legitimate companies, to stay legitimate, are going to have to distance themselves from it."
You can have my "Chicks Who Suck Cock and Eat Cum" when you pry it from my cold dead hand, Mr. Taylor!

I think this is goiing to backfire, especially if they're not sticking to the child porn and snuff film segments of the industry. People aren't all that freaked out by porn anymore, (hell, I bet journalists never referred to it simply as "porno" when they were reporting on the '70s cases), and President Kravitz is going to be left with just his conservative base and nothing of the middle on November 7th. And the world will be a better place.

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[badorties]

i had posted this in the following thread: ClearChannel Taking Shit From The FCC Too (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/37112/page/ClearChannel_Taking_Shit_From_The_FCC_Too.htm)

there was a great episode of frontline
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/) on pbs that implied that if it wasn't for the administration's focus on homeland security and froeign wars after 9/11, the bush regime was planning an all out 'war' on indecent media ....


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[keithy_19]

I really don't see how this is feasible or possible. While I'm all for mroals, Mr. President, your fighting a war that cannot be won.

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[Se7en]

I'm not really sure how this hurts him with the "middle". It's porn - in SOME respects it may be more acceptable - in the sense that people have accepted that it's a rather seedy aspect of our culture that is likely here to stay - but it's still porn.

It's not as if it's a respectable business they're attacking. People in the "middle" may get upset about the targeting of sexual situations on radio / tv, but policies / legislation against pornography have been around for years, and Bush & co. are far from the first - or last - politicians (of EITHER party) to be against it.

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[reeshy]

I guess if they win this war, the internet will be no longer!!!

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What the Fuck is the "Internet"?

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So they have reports of weapons of ass destruction?

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[whoopsy]

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance


what a fucking load of fun this guy is.. For the record, I drink alcohol and caffeine, smoke, gamble, and dance

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[Crippler]

First they came for the kid touchers, but I had never touched a child - so I said nothing. Then they came for the shock jocks, but I had grown weary of the only one left within earshot - so I said nothing. Then they came for my smut, and there I sat at my computer, crank in hand, with 8 gigs of filth in front of me and my pants around my ankles, so I could not stand up...and I was pretty much fucked.

You can have my "Chicks Who Suck Cock and Eat Cum" when you pry it from my cold dead hand, Mr. Taylor!
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[TheMojoPin]

It's not as if it's a respectable business they're attacking.

So what?

It's legitimate. They just don't like it.

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Oh good: another Fundamentalist Christian fatwa.

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[ADF]

It's not as if it's a respectable business they're attacking. People in the "middle" may get upset about the targeting of sexual situations on radio / tv, but policies / legislation against pornography have been around for years, and Bush & co. are far from the first - or last - politicians (of EITHER party) to be against it.


It's easy to be against porn, but everybody buys the stuff as evidenced by the <b>billions</b> of dollars spent on it annually. People have grown accustomed to being able to obtain their porn easily and without too much embarassment. There's no shame in porn or masturbation.. almost everybody does it... priests, bible-beaters, athiests, kindergarten teachers... everybody. People don't want the government meddling in their private lives. My guess is that this is just an attempt to secure the votes of the religious right. If any effective legislation was actually passed, I'm sure you'd see a reaction against it.

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[Se7en]

Bush doesn't need to court the Religious Right - they're going to be voting for him anyway.

However, this is nothing more than just pandering to one's base. That's all it is, not part of some subversive effort to take away your freedom to jack off to scat flicks.

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[WindowSill]

He said pornography "invades our homes persistently though the mail, phone, VCR, cable TV and the Internet," and has "strewn its victims from coast to coast."


Yes...we are being invaded by the magazines we subscrive to, the phone calls we pay for, the video tapes we spend money on, the channels we also sbuscribe to and the websites we choose to look at...yeah this is going to get the average Americans vote just like This (http://www.georgewbush.com/Compassion/PhotoAlbum.aspx?gallery=29) is going to get all the blacks voting for him...

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[Yerdaddy]

Bush doesn't need to court the Religious Right - they're going to be voting for him anyway.

However, this is nothing more than just pandering to one's base. That's all it is, not part of some subversive effort to take away your freedom to jack off to scat flicks.

I'ts all of those things. It's 1) courting the religious right, 2) pandering to his base (the same thing as courting the religious right), and 3) an effort to take away our freedom to view pornography.

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[GwEnYpOo]

porn is for liberals!!!!!!!!!!!


didn't they try to do this 10 years ago and fail? im so sure john ashcroft will be on america's good side after this , we'll be haering a lot from him in the future















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[FMJeff]

weapons of ass destruction


Don't kid around.

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Everyone's watching thier ass now...but we're confident we will win...you think guys are just gonna stand by while the government takes thier porn...

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[Doomstone]

you think guys are just gonna stand by while the government takes thier porn...


Possibly, if enough people think that "this is nothing more than just pandering" to the fundies and that it's "not part of some subversive effort to take away your freedom to jack off to scat flicks."

It's almost like Americans are in denial that their rights are systematically being stripped from them...


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[satan-2]

wow, i haven't posted in a while but since i'm a strong supporter of porn, i most post this:

isn't it interesting that the people who scream that porn is bad or have done many bad things in their lives, have a ton of skeleton's in their closet, like bush jr, kid touching priests, jim baker and the many other assholes in the world who have not yet been discovered BUT discovered god one day.

here's another asshole rudy giuliani. he believes in family values, but yet he cheated on his ex-wife.

i sometimes wonder what kind of person was john asscroft...i mean john ashcroft when he was a teenager and then a college student. too bad he didn't die when he was in the hospital operating table. damn!!!

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later

[El Mudo]

like bush jr


George W. Bush isn't a "junior"

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[Hosp]

I used to do some work with the Free Speech Coalition (http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/default.htm) when I was involved in the industry. It's scary what this country is coming to.

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[schmega]

here's another asshole rudy giuliani. he believes in family values, but yet he cheated on his ex-wife.

donna hanover was a miserable cunt. all she gave rudy was grief, and a giant son. i'm not saying rudy wasnt an asshole, but it takes 2 to tango. if that bitch showed him love, and maybe not exercise at 5 in the morning, disturbing rudy while he's resting and recovering from cancer, maybe the gargantuan andrew would still have 2 parents to come home to.

but back to the topic. ashrcroft and gdub probably owe their very existence to porn or some old derivative of it. any parent that raised their son to be such an uptight, self-righteous, goody two shoes couldnt POSSIBLY be attractive enough to have sex with for any reason other than procreation. these mongrels wanna bring back the 50's, and we all know how thats gonna end.

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[Arienette]

donna hanover was a miserable cunt. all she gave rudy was grief, and a giant son. i'm not saying rudy wasnt an asshole, but it takes 2 to tango. if that bitch showed him love, and maybe not exercise at 5 in the morning, disturbing rudy while he's resting and recovering from cancer, maybe the gargantuan andrew would still have 2 parents to come home to.wrong. that's just wrong. if your wife is such a miserable cunt, then leave her. easy enough. don't fucking cheat on her. i don't care if you have a stressful job, health issues, or whatever. you have no right to go outside of your marriage for any reason.

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[schmega]

wrong. that's just wrong. if your wife is such a miserable cunt, then leave her. easy enough. don't fucking cheat on her. i don't care if you have a stressful job, health issues, or whatever. you have no right to go outside of your marriage for any reason.

its not that cut and dry. and its not easy on the children to just leave their wench of a mother. cheating's not the worse thing you can do to your spouse. not loving them is just as bad. i'm sure at some point in the marraige, donna stopped loving rudy, and vice versa. the vows go down the toilet at that point, and they should both be free to persue love wherever they please. rudy had to sleep in the goddamn guest room of the gracie mansion, the home of motherf'n mayor. and i'm sure if donna was the one with the cancer(knock on wood), he wouldnt go out of his way to make life difficult for her.

cheating on your spouse is always wrong. but in rudy's case, i'll make an exception, and hanover deserves no sympathy.

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[Arienette]

its not easy on the children to just leave their wench of a mother.but i'm sure it was very easy on the kid to have it broadcast very publicly that his father fucked another women while married to his wench of a mother (who, by the way, the kid probably loves), and then have them break up...

cheating's not the worse thing you can do to your spouse. not loving them is just as bad. yes, they're both bad. and they're both pretty decent reasons for breaking up a marriage. but, as "they" say, two wrongs don't make a right.. and they don't.

i'm sure at some point in the marraige, donna stopped loving rudy, and vice versa. the vows go down the toilet at that point, and they should both be free to persue love wherever they please.then that should be an agreement that the two people reach together. as far as i know (and i'll admit that i don't know too much about their personal lives), he just went outside of their marriage and was with another women without there being any such agreement. that's what i have a problem with. people get together, stay together, and leave each other for a million different reasons. as long as everyone knows what's going on, we're golden.

i'm sure if donna was the one with the cancer(knock on wood), he wouldnt go out of his way to make life difficult for her.do you have a personal stake in this? wishing cancer on someone because you think they were not loving to their husband who isn't you is a little over the top. and terrible.

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[schmega]

a little over the top. and terrible.

yeah, aint it?

but really, how awful a human being do you have to be to not let a man who's recovering from cancer get some rest so that you can get your middle-aged ass some exercise?

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[Arienette]

but really, how awful a human being do you have to be to not let a man who's recovering from cancer get some rest so that you can get your middle-aged ass some exercise?you're right. that's a really fucked up think to do. i'm jsut saying that, to me, that doesnt give him a get out of jail free card to cheat

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