Learning to play guitar

[keithy_19]

First night that I'm learning to play guitar. Its a new years resolution I plan on keeping.

Anywho, I'm learning how to play Alkaline Trio's 'Emma' and I'm starting off just playing two chords, and already I cute my finger and got blood over the strings. Didn't hurt, makes it look kinda cool actually.

Anyone out there play guitar? How long did it take you to get good, or at least good enough to play something you thought up yourself?

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[Snoogans]

its alot easier to learn the notes and chords of the fret board before you try to learn songs

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[newport king]

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[Snoogans]

Anyone out there play guitar? How long did it take you to get good, or at least good enough to play something you thought up yourself?

keith, you dont take this seriously. if you did, you wouldnt ask that question.
your playing guitar as a vanity, not for love of music. you dont seem to wanna learn notes of chords structures or techniques. you just wanna play songs so people say wow you play the guitar.
go to the store, buy a learning to play book, follow it. once your good and know how to link chords together and what fits with what, then you can write songs. it takes a long time and alot of practive

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[fluffernutter]

My goodness boy, start with something from Maybe I'll Catch Fire or the 7 inch collection when Alkaline Trio still had some spirit. This new stuff is complete dreck. I am so disapointed with them. Radio would be a great start and then I wish you would take my radio to bathe with you, plugged in and ready to fall.


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[keithy_19]

I know. My brothers having been playing for years. It took awhile. I love music. I wanna start a band with my friend. I'm just curious of how long it took you to get good. My brother taught me a few chords in a song. I've been playing them. I'm probably gunna get a book tomorrow or soon at least.

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[keithy_19]

Fluff, Good Mourning and From Here To Infirmary are good albums too. I personally feel that Good Mourning is possibly the best one they did.

As for radio, I might wanna learn to play that afetr I get good with Emma.

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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Snoog, go easy on Keith. If he wants to play guitar, he'll learn. If not, he'll drop it. He's young. Let him explore.

My best to you Keith. Give it a whirl. If you don't succeed as a guitarist, you can be a drummer!

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[fluffernutter]

Fluff, Good Mourning and From Here To Infirmary are good albums too. I personally feel that Good Mourning is possibly the best one they did.


I got into them before Infirmary when a buddy of mine told me how great the 7 inch collection was. I got that and I was sold. Maybe casue i am the old fart here but i thought that Good Mourning was ok but not as memorable as the earlier stuff. I mean I Lied My Face Off not only set me back a good chunk of change for a valuable addition to my record collection by it is ne of the most painfully revealing and wrist slitting songs I have ever heard. Just the droning fade out at the end to a final crushing blow at the end is the most amazing song I had ever heard. I hate to go off on a tangent here. I'll stop. Maybe I just need to listen to the new one again. It just didn't grab me.

I really need to start a "It Was So Much Better Before Anyone Knew About It" or a "It's Mine and I don't Want to Share" thread.

Good luck with your guitar playing, better to start yyoung than to wait until you are my age and then decide you want to try it. I am just trying out the accordian now and that is a bitch!

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[East Side Dave]

Keith, I'll be in your band! I play the drums! And no this isn't just a way for me to meet young boys, Bad Touch!

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If you get a tab book and learn the chords for song, playing every day, you should see good progress in a few months. It seems like the beginning is pretty fast, learning chords and such, and once you have them down you'll be able to play a lot of songs and mildly impress people. Then the long climb starts to reaching the next levels...

One thing - probably not good to play til you bleed. if you play everyday, over a couple of weeks you'll develop calluses, but if you cut yourself it'll just hurt more to play, the cut will open up again and it'll just take longer.

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[JPMNICK]

Keith - your resolution should be to stop saying anywho.

I tried to pick it up once. My dad has this awesome guitar that he just sold for 2200 dollars. it was some 1968 fender something. I have no idea. He told me if I got into it, i could have it. so i tried to learn, never got into it. best of luck man, its not an easy thing to be good at. at least for me anyway.

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[JohnnyCash]

Radio is a pretty easy Alkaline Trio song to play. Its just a few easy notes.

Good luck with it.

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[TheMojoPin]

I thought it was "anyhoo."

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[Mike Teacher]

First night that I'm learning to play guitar. Its a new years resolution I plan on keeping.


Let's see, it's almost halway into March and you just started...

Just KIDDING.

AnyHU [i use the asian spelling, the German has Umlauts]

-Play. Have fun. If it's not fun, it'd dead. learn your songs.

-Having said that, the only way you're going to learn, really learn to play guitar, and those very songs, is to do what Snoogs said and get a good chord book, and learn the chords and chord changes. This is crucial. Utterly essential, if you want to sound good at all.

-Riffs and hooks are fun; but the chord work above, in my opinion, develops whats most important of all, a sense of rhythm. Lead guitar is easy. Playing fast is easy. A good rhythm guitarist, one who can lock down a chord riff, and you got yourself the making of a kick-ass guitarist.

-Find someone who knows how to play guitar well. The bleeding fingers thing is tension. Lemme guess; you're plunking away at guitar, and you look over, and you have a vice grip, literally squeezing the neck as hard as you can. This is death to the guitarist. You *must* find someone to show you how to develop a system of relaxation in chord making. Whoever said one must develop calluses on the finger tips to play guitar was nuts. You need but the slightest pressure to fret a note, yet we add so much tension, some develop calluses. Well I play about 95% acoustic, about 20 hours a week, in a working guitar group that meets four hours weekly, and I have embarassingly soft non 'macho-all beat to shit' hands.

-Get a good guitar. What are you playing? Doesn't have to be expensive. There's cheap and good, and cheap and nasty. And get an acoustic if you're learning. Electrics hide the mistakes too well.

Learn the Root positions of:
E G A D and C

-the three basic Barre chords; which at the fifth fret would sound, in order:

an A major Chord [ A Maj]
an A minor Chord [A Min]
a D major Chord

You learn those? you can play hundreds of rock songs.





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[KCfromDC]

As usual, in a music thread, I couldn't agree with the Teach more. I've been playing guitar for the better part of 20 years, have a successful band, and enjoy the hell out of it. But you know what I'm missing? The fundamentals. I can't read music, and tab gives me a migraine. I play by ear. I'm sure that if I had a better foundation, I could make a living from it.
As for learning from modern bands, forget it. Here's what you need: A Mel Bay book to learn the scales and chords, and a Beatles songbook. Structurally speaking, there is NO band ever that crafted songs as well. Learn a handful of them, and you will be able to keep up with anyone.
Most of all, have fun. Play beacuse it pleases you, not anyone else (although that helps).

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[blancostupido]

I'd also put tuning your instrument high up on the "to do" list!

A little rubbing alcohol on the fingertips helps toughen the callouses.

Seriously, I tried helping a friend learn and he complained that he couldn't move his fingers - he was sitting on his couch all sunk into it hunched over, so I had him sit *upright* in a harder chair and had him pay attention to holding his instrument & sitting comfortably

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[JustJon]

Kelly Hu...

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I took lessons in high school. It was fun, but I could never really get into it. I don't think I had the right teacher for me, but I still have my acoustic in the basement.

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[angrymissy]

Learn to actually read music first

not tabs

I started when I was 13, but haven't been playing much lately... I'm better at classical than anything else

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[Mike Teacher]

- he was sitting on his couch all sunk into it hunched over, so I had him sit *upright* in a harder chair and had him pay attention to holding his instrument & sitting comfortably.


Wonderful. Definite sign of a master teacher.

When I meant 'Know' E,A,D,G chords etc, you need not be able to; at first, recall the names of the chords. Being able to form them well, and change from one to another; this comes from one thing only; practice. Your hands have to develop a 'fretboard memory'. This can be absolutely independent of any music theory.

Some very famus rock guitarists know very little music theory. Many [most?] learned like everyone else in the beginning; copping licks off of songs. They don't *know* about an E Phyrigian Scale; but they can play it in their sleep.

So; a balance of sitting down to learn some chords, and then some play time figuring out a song could be useful.

And someone mentioned tuning. It Blows me Away how many people, excellent guitarists, can not tune a guitar.

Side Note: There is no such thing as a guitar in tune; it's a compromise. If you use an electronic tuner so the strings are dead on, and then fret a note at, say, the 8th fret, it will rarely be dead on. This is intonation of the guitar neck. Part of the warmth is the phase of the slightly out of tune strings, but you want them as close as possible.

Tuners are good. A trained ear puts most electronic tuners to shame. Use a tuner, but also listen as you tune, to the 'beating' of the notes as you tune.

In theory; if you fret the 2nd string [they go from bottom up, 1st = skinniest, 6th = fattest] at the fifth fret, you get an E, the same E as the open 1st string. Playing these two notes, and de-tuning, you hear slow beats, then they get faster as the frequencies diverge. Getting it such that there is *no* beats between two strings defines them being in tune. Again, once you start fretting notes [which inevitably bends them a bit] you're slightly out of tune anyway, so...

But oh MAN the out of tune performers I have seen.

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[Lisa Croft]

I learned from the internet. I started with chords and then learned tablature. I still can't read music and don't really have an interest in it. I play for fun. There are tons of tutorial sites on the net and when you're comfortable with tabs, you can learn to play just about anything. OLGA is my best friend.

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[TheMojoPin]

First step?

Get yourself the most glorious guitar known to man...

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[Snoogans]

I love music. I wanna start a band with my friend. I'm just curious of how long it took you to get good. My brother taught me a few chords in a song

ive been playing guitar for about 8 years, and im still not that good

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[Snoogans]

mojo those guitars are crap. the extra money you pay for the look can be used for guitars they may not be so pretty but sound a hell of alot better

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[TheMojoPin]

Bullshit.

You play a Rickenbacker for a complete kind of sound than ye olde typical guitar "crunch." It requires actually playing as opposed to just boring old thrash/strumming.

I'm not saying a Rickenbacker is for everyone, or every kind of music...it's just my favorite guitar. It makes beautiful music, dammit...BEAUTIFUL. That "jangle" gets me every time.

I'm a whore for power pop, and power pop is fueled by Rickenbackers, so they're just fine by me.

The Beatles rocked the 'back...and so does Fugazi. I REST MY CASE...ON YOUR FACE.

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The Rickenbacker bass kicks some righteous ass, too...

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And yes, they DO cost a lot. You're not getting a new one for less than $1200...but you get your money's worth in terms of quality. My friend's dad has a sunburst Rickenbacker he's had for 30 years now, and the thing still sounds immaculate.

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[Snoogans]

It requires actually playing as opposed to just boring old thrash/strumming.

yes, im aware. my next electric is a PRS or an SG gothic, 2 better guitars that require playing

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[Jack_Doff]

I remember when I got my first new six string. Bought it at the five and dime. Played it till my fingers bled. It was the summer of 69. Me and some guys from school, we had a band and we tried real hard. Jimmy quit, Jodie got married. I should have known we'd never get far.

Anyway, enough of my personal history. Keith, play every night. If you want to make anything even vaguely resembling music, play during all your free time.

[Tall_James]

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McGuinn plays that Jangle.

On a side note, my 2 year old daughter love music and playing music. She is always taking the harmonicas out of my desk drawer and playing them and her piano together. I'm thinking of buying a guitar (i think I can still play a G7) and learning a few kids songs.

Any suggestions for a good guitar, relatively low priced?


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[Snoogans]

james, go on aim or PM me, what kinda style are you lookin to play and everything

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[Mike Teacher]

The Rickenbacker bass kicks some righteous ass, too...


Absolutely Magnificent. Absolutely unmistakable sound.

You guys can debate the Rick 12 String Electric; I'll be over hear with Chris Squire and Roger Glover and Lemmy Entwhistle and Michael Anthony and just about name your bassist; the sound of the 3001 Neck-through bass is so distinctive it turns heads. No way o get it using another bass or modeling. Zero.

Listen to "Roundabout" by Yes. That's the sound; take any Fender, Warwick, Kramer, Ibanez, Gibson, whatever bass and get that sound. Good luck.

The Early Rics were especially juiced once the Roto-Sound Roundwound strings were introduced. Untill then, bass was a rhythm instrument. With round-wound strings, the treble effect is also unmistakable: Example of round wound: The Who "My Generation" or even 'The Real Me"; bassists still listen and just shake their heads in awe. It was so new then. Lead Bass solos.

I sold my 3001 and immediately regretted it, and will buy another ASAP.



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[TheMojoPin]

yes, im aware. my next electric is a PRS or an SG gothic, 2 better guitars that require playing

How are they "better?" They sound completely different. You play totally different types of music with a Rick.

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[Snoogans]

i know, and i personally much prefer the sound of a PRS to a Rick. like i said, personally

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[TheMojoPin]

THAT makes sense.

Calling a Rick "crap" in general does not.

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[keithy_19]

My whole family basicly plays guitar, except for my mom. She doesn't play anything.

My 3 brothers play, my dad plays, and I want to play too.

And Alice, I have a drum set. So I'm set for whatever. :p

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[DC Reed]

Been playing 2 years now.

First song I learned was the Pixies - Here Comes Your Man.

It's easy to write a song, you just gotta know some chords and notes. Learn the 10 basic chords that are used in every song known to man. (G, Cadd9, Dm, D, A, Am, C, Cm, F, B)

Then you need to learn how to move between those chords. Thats not as hard as it seems when you learn the fingerings.

Goto the guitar tab sites and learn how to play pentatonic scales. They are used in nearly every solo known to man, and anyone can improv a riff with them. If you just want to look cool infront of people who don't know how to play, and your not that good, then the Pentatonic Blues and Major are your best friends.

Power Chords are the most basic chord, and the best with distortion, thier commonly formed like (3-5-5-0-0-0) and can be played nearly anywhere on the neck.

Good Luck, it's a tough road, but its alot of fun. Start with some Nirvana Songs, or any Pop Punk band, or just any Punk band in general. Even Rage Against the Machine is incredibly easy, just the effects sound intimidating.

If you want the best tab site, here, MX Tabs (http://www.mxtabs.net)

As for Rickenbackers, I only like them cause Radiohead's Ed O'Brien plays them. Otherwise I can't stand thier feel, and if I wanted a twangy sound, I'd head to the masters, Fender, for a telecaster. (1972 Custom Thinline Preferably)

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[DC Reed]

Any suggestions for a good guitar, relatively low priced?


Electric - Squier's, and any Fender Knock-off brand. Thier relatively cheap at guitar stores, and what they lack in quality, they make up for in value. My first guitar was a used Squier and it wasn't too shabby.

Acoustic - Yamaha makes them. So do a few other companies, and thier pretty cheap. Last I heard is you can get these at like Wal-Mart and stuff.

With Electrics look to drop 100-250 on the guitar and amp, and a cable. Acoustic probably 100 - 175 depending on the brand.

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[Snoogans]

THAT makes sense.

Calling a Rick "crap" in general does not.

sorry bout that. its kinda like when i say the yankees suck. i know they dont, i just hate them

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[DarkHippie]

Rickenbackers are great, but I think the most perfect tone comes out of a Telecaster. If my Strat didn't have personal attachments for me, I'd trade it straight up for a Tele.

As for you Keith, if you practice every day for 15-30, after about a year you'll be good enough to perform publically. I also recommend a heavy dose of listening to old blues recordings to understand your instrument better.

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[Mike Teacher]

Learn the 10 basic chords that are used in every song known to man. (G, Cadd9, Dm, D, A, Am, C, Cm, F, B)


I think E might belong in that list; considering the Standard Tuning is essentially E based. I'd say the most used chord in rock.

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[A.J.]

The Beatles rocked the 'back...and so does Fugazi.

And so did The Who and Beach Boys.

Once you learn the basic chords try playing along to an album. Start with the rhythms then work on soloing. Soon you'll develop an ear for chords and chord progressions. I learned more from playing along with an album than I did from music books.

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[Hottub]

And so did The Who and Beach Boys


You nailed it, AJ

Rock them power chords!!


(btw, I gave up after 2 months.)

Can't play an instrument, but man I can ROCK a cd player!!


Forget all about that macho shit, and learn how to play guitar!


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[mandzguitar]

The first time I learn to play guitar is when I was in high school. I really enjoyed doing it. There's nothing impossible to learn if you're really aimed to do it.
I also use online/video guitar lessons here: http://www.UltimateGuitarSchool.com I really like Matt Axe! he's really a great guitarist!

[toolshed]

The first time I learn to play guitar is when I was in high school. I really enjoyed doing it. There's nothing impossible to learn if you're really aimed to do it.
I also use online/video guitar lessons here: http://www.UltimateGuitarSchool.com I really like Matt Axe! he's really a great guitarist!

and when i work up a sweat with my furious licks, i like to replenish myself with Gatorade. that's right, with essential vitamins and minerals, gatorade really satisfies!

yuck.

[SatCam]

and when i work up a sweat with my furious licks, i like to replenish myself with Gatorade. that's right, with essential vitamins and minerals, gatorade really satisfies!

yuck.

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