Sick of Howards Bitchin'

[Djs11373]

Howard cant have it both ways, First he bitches about free speech and then spends 3 days trashing Mel Gibsons movie, which he is allowed to do, and then complains about Clear Channels so called corparate ownships of radio stations and lack of competition, when he has been infinitys boy for 15 years and help create the eviroment hes annoyed about, if there was more companys maybe some other stations would pick him up in those 6 markets he lost

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[DJEvelEd]

In Stern vs. FCC I fully support Stern.

In Stern vs. Opie&Anthony, Ron&Fez, WNEW, Stern cheated with his "gag order". He really bitched up instead of fighting like a man during his divorce. Karma is biting him in the ass. I'm kinda laughing, but not too hard because I want him to win.




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[JustJon]

How does Stern trashing Gibson's movie go against free speech? Gibson said what he wanted with the movie and then Stern said what he wanted about it.

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[Arienette]

he's getting totally fucked over and it's not right. he's got every reason to bitch, and just happens to have the perfect forum for it.

he even mentioned o&a the other morning, and not in a bad way


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[walking joint]

what did he say about O&A?

as much as i dislike him, i'm with Stern on this one. he has been right about the whole thing since the Janet Jackson superbowl incident. the ripple effect has been horrible, just as he said it would be. have they announced what the FCC fine is yet? he said today the show will be off the air within a month. not that I will miss it, but if his show goes so do most other talk shows like it. and that's not good.

[Johnny4]

Howard has been a little hypocritical. He changes his opinions based on his needs of the day. The truth is he needs people he has pummeled to back him up. None of them are in any rush.

A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."

[Djs11373]

I think Howards agument is lessened, Because he is really is not for free speech, Hes only for Howards speech and Infinitys,

Freds robot voice should be the voice of all our future robots

[WindowSill]

Personally I support anyone who is going against the FCC...I mean really, who the fuck are they to tell us what we can and cant watch, listen to, or play.

Actually I think Stern hit the nail on the head on this one. No one actually elected these people, they just decided to go and tell us whats wrong with the media.

And whats with these $500,000 fines for radio stations? How the hell is this even...LEGAL?!

BTW, Bush isnt making too many friends by supporting this whole "movement". Kerry all the way!

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since the Janet Jackson superbowl incident. the ripple effect

Don't you mean the nipple effect?

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[Heather 8]

Howard has been a little hypocritical. He changes his opinions based on his needs of the day. The truth is he needs people he has pummeled to back him up. None of them are in any rush.


Actually, both Opie (in a recent news article) and Anthony (in his lengthy anti-FCC rant) have come out in support of Howard.

And Rush Limbaugh, who claims to have never listened to Stern's show, agrees that Stern is being unfairly thrashed by the FCC.

I don't get Stern out here, so I'm kinda sorta out of the loop as far as his show goes. However, this apparently sudden flurry of activity by the FCC regarding several shows and companies is really starting to annoy the fuck out of me.

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[Arienette]

what did he say about O&A?i don't remember exactly.. but he was talking about all the people getting fucked over and that the radio people had been having talks prior to all this with o&a. i think. if anyone else remembers better what was said, now would be a good time...

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[Johnny Fontane]

Howard should just accept the current climate and deal with it. Bear in mind that Howard Stern lives in a different universe than us - when shit happens at work, we deal with it - we cope and make the best of things, because we have to. But a guy like Howard, who is a BAZILLIONAIRE and has become accustomed to having his way with everything, just falls apart when faced with adversity. Life is not fair. DEAL WITH IT. You have a comedy show, you have a huge audience of loyal listeners. You can still have a funny show without having some porn star on and asking her if she takes it in all 3 inputs.

He has become such a crybaby. If somebody argues with him, he starts asking "what do you do for a living?" It gets old.

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[Arienette]

You can still have a funny show without having some porn star on and asking her if she takes it in all 3 inputs.from what i understand, though, he didn't talk about anything that's been proscribed. that's a big part of why what's going on is fucked up. but, beyond that, that's the kind of show that he does. sure, you can have a funny show without it (ron and fez do it every night), but not that show. the fact that he has such a huge audience is proof that the public likes what he offers. why a group of ultra conservatives and religious zealots should have a say in what we listen to is beyond my comprehension.

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[Johnny Fontane]

why a group of ultra conservatives and religious zealots should have a say in what we listen to is beyond my comprehension.



True, but I'm just focused on his bitching in general - he had tremendous success for so many years, now he has to accept the adversity and deal with it. If I were to listen to Howard Stern at work, I could be fired for sexual harrassment. Is that fair? Of course not, it's ridiculous, but it's reality.

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[Arienette]

If I were to listen to Howard Stern at work, I could be fired for sexual harrassment. Is that fair?i would argue that it might be. while i'm the kind of hip, young, and urban chick that isn't offended by that sort of humor, there are people who find it offensive. and, in the same way that i'd like to be let alone to listen to whatever i choose, they should be allowed to not listen to what they choose not to hear in the workplace. now, if you weren't allowed to listen to howard at work on headphones, that i'd have a problem with.

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[Johnny Fontane]

i'm the kind of hip, young, and urban chick


Oh, so you're one of those hipsters... :)

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[Shecky]

I have been a loyal fan for years, but he is annoying me with the bitching about Mel Gibson's movie and the Clear Channel thing. But thats how hes always been and will always be.

The O and A mention was that he found it strange that Clear Channel would drop his show all of a sudden after they were taking an interest in O an A not to long ago.

But then again, this is the same guy who wouldnt give Opie and Anthony credit when that chick WOW'd The TODAY show with the word WOW written on her body.

[Se7en]

Howard Stern Demands to Be Fired
(2004-03-07) -- Radio shock jock Howard Stern today demanded that his syndication company take him off the air immediately, fine him heavily and fire him. The announcement comes as recent headlines about Mr. Stern have increased the ratings for his radio show.

"If Infinity Broadcasting pulls my show nationwide," said Mr. Stern. "I predict that my audience will increase exponentially. It's crucial that people think I'm hip and controversial again. That's what makes them tune in. Therefore, I demand to be fired."

Mr. Stern followed his announcement with a string of expletives and detailed descriptions of deviant sexual activity, which he said "prove that I'm the hippest middle-aged radio guy around."


Howard Stern is no one's victim.

And whats with these $500,000 fines for radio stations? How the hell is this even...LEGAL?!


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[smiler grogan]

Seven where are these quotes coming from?

[bigbaldirish]

I think Howards agument is lessened, Because he is really is not for free speech, Hes only for Howards speech and Infinitys,


and in doing that preserves all radio's free speech. let him bitch and moan about "the passion" it's his right. just as if gibson wanted to bash howards show. and if you think the argument is lessened, take this without a fight, and watch the FCC take control over pay services (The next step). there goes the sopranos, there goes any movies on Showtime, no satellite radio.
then you will not have the choice of your own to make anymore, you have the choice of the "moral majority"

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[JustJon]

I happened to hear the part of the show that started the "contreversy." A caller called in and used the word nigger. It's the typical jackass caller that Stern has gotten for years, nothing more.

Se7en, whatever article you're quoting is taking part of Stern's quotes out of context. The demands to be fired was his backlash at the fcc bullshit.

And let's not forget that if a radio station attempts to challenge the fines in court, the FCC will use bullying tactics to make them back down. Infinity attempted to do it with Stern's fines years ago, but suddenly, all the paperwork Infinity was filing was getting lost or delayed. As soon as they dropped the case, everything was magically filed.

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[playmetomwaits]

No, no. I think he has it right when he says he's just like Lenny Bruce. In fact, if you take Lenny, shave that beard, lose the sense of humor and the credible charges against the government, you have Howard Stern. It's like looking 40 years into the past when I force myself to listen to that cruddy show in the morning.

[curtoid]

While he didn't get credit for it by the national media (those rat bastards), last night, at about 9:15pm, Ron said he heard from a friend inside the FCC that they (the FCC) "blinked" with regards to Stern. All of his ranting and raving last week worked - they freaked out.

The scuttle (and he stressed it wasn't anything official, but it was what everyone was talking about) was that the RNC (!) might have had a hand in it, contacted the FCC, suggesting to lay off of Stern - that they feared giving him ample ammunition for a massive backlash of negative publicity.

If you listened to Stern this morning, they kind of backed up what the big dawg said: he has heard from HIS mole at the FCC (what's up with all of these flapping gums within the FCC?! - I wonder if it's the same dude!) that they were going to lay off and not issue the fines until after the election in November, for pretty much the same reasons - they don't want to make him a "martyr."

Very funny, and big ups to Ron for "breaking" the story on WJFK!

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm loving this whole scuttle. It reminds me of the last time Stern got in trouble with the government, when he was at his "peak," so to speak. I'm also enjoying D&M and R&F, and even the guys at the Hideout, talking openly about thisl giving it all a sense of purpose.

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[Def Dave in SC]

I could be fired for sexual harrassment. Is that fair? Of course not, it's ridiculous, but it's reality



First off, what Ari said is spot-on. This is fair. But you seem to be missing the point of Stern's bitching. First off, Stern has always bitched; its how he got to the top, and its how he's remained at the top.

Stern's argument is that his free speech, and therefore all of radio's and even tv's free speech is being threatened. There are people, loud influential people mind you, that are trying to decide what is acceptable.

A small group of people deciding what is okay for an entire country to hear is not OK!!!! We are all Americans here, and most of us are adults. We are completely capable of deciding for ouselves what WE listen to! Frankly, i find Stern to be stale, boring, and formulaic. I dont listen. I think Elliot is incredibly unfunny, and he uses "shocking" stuff to make up for his lack of humor. I don't listen. Its that easy.

Now, before I burst a blood vessel, I must conclude the post, and calm my blood pressure.


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[badorties]

the thing with stern is funny ...

growing up as a kid, i was addicted to his show ... i bought into his genius, and thought little of those that were constantly ripping him off -- mancow of chicago, that dreaded brother wease upstate, and that damn ron & ron in florida ...

when wnew went all talk, brother wease turned out to be a great laid back show, and his old intern, opie, turned out to be quite entertaining ... ron and fez turned out to be the funniest, wittiest thing on the air ... mancow still sucks

and when stern pulled the the shit with not letting anyone talk about him after his divorce came off as sad, and really tainted my opinion of him ...

now stern rails against bush, clear channel and the fcc ...

it's a bit odd to hear his new 180 degree turn on his idealogy ... i understand it fits his cause, but this time last year all was wonderful with the administration and their war ...

where was his voice in the 1990s when the telecommunications act was passed and infinity and clear channel bought up every other station ... it worked in his favor that his patron, mel karmizin, built a radio monpoly (and later merged it into a media giant with viacom) and he championed mel's cause ... but now that has CC dumped him in six markets, the consolidation of radio is wrong and an abuse of power

if you look at everything now, and how we got to this point -- it really shouldn't be that surprising ... stern spent the first part of his career, 'crusading' against the norm, only later to sadly become the guarded mainstream ... then he relished the power of media consolidation and the benefits it reaped, only to become victim to the system he helped to create ...

the endless complaining and whining now just comes off sad

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[Arienette]

he was talking this morning about something that i found interesting... he played a clip from oprah's show in which a guest explained to her what "salad tossing" is. while the substantial of the clip got dumped on howard's show, it went out on oprah's show no problem. keep in mind that oprah's on at 4pm, and that, unlike stern, parents would presumably allow their kids to watch her piece of shit show. anyway, the main point of the whole thing was that this was virtually identical to the discussion that howard just got fined for by the fcc. nice.

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[blancostupido]

I just wanted to say.....there's more relevant opinionated free discussion here than on alt.fan.howardstern

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[JustJon]

he was talking this morning about something that i found interesting... he played a clip from oprah's show in which a guest explained to her what "salad tossing" is. while the substantial of the clip got dumped on howard's show, it went out on oprah's show no problem. keep in mind that oprah's on at 4pm, and that, unlike stern, parents would presumably allow their kids to watch her piece of shit show. anyway, the main point of the whole thing was that this was virtually identical to the discussion that howard just got fined for by the fcc. nice.
They mentioned that there were other just as graphic comments throughout the show because they were discussing the movie Thirteen. They were going to pull clips and put them on HowardStern.com.

Feel free to take the clips and file a complaint with the FCC!

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[bigbaldirish]

everybody should complain about the oprah shows use of the same thing. standards should be standard though, and dislike or like howard stern, oprah should be subject to the same fines and punishments as howard.
although she has more against her (in terms of "children wise" for that particular show) the timeslot was 4pm when most kids are home from school. and face it, if you got nothing to do you turn on the TV.

with that being said, if they do not fine oprah does howard have a Legal case? i don't know, and if any one with some kind of law background could answer this.

if they do fine oprah, the court of public opinion will have to change, she is "wholesome" but howard is "indecent" and they talk about the same subject?
that's horseshit.

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[Davios]

What i find really funny is the fact that Howard's always crying about clones and people ripping him off while Jimmy Kimmel played this exact same clip from Oprah last night. I'm not sure if he gave Kimmel any credit, can anyone that caught the show inform me.

[bigbaldirish]

yes he credited kimmel.

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[Davios]

At least he did acknowledge him. In my eyes though it just shows how stupid and self centered Howard is. When he stated that no one in entertainment was backing him up I can recall Jimmy going on his late night show and mentioning the whole situation and stating that he supported Howard. The following morning Stern went on there and laughed it up about how Kimmel was backing him up, but Kimmel's show basically sucked and he had no idea what he was talking about. Maybe Kimmel's show isn't good enough to back Howard, but apparantly it is good enough to borrow bits from.

[Johnny4]

Kimmel and Howard are very good friends and have even vacationed together. He was just bustin' Jimmy's balls. Jimmy has gone as far as thanking Howard for his job at ABC and says he first went on radio because of Howard. His radio gig lead to his Fox football appearances, which lead to the Man Show, which lead to ABC.

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

[Se7en]

It reminds me of the last time Stern got in trouble with the government, when he was at his "peak," so to speak.

Howard peaked about 10 years ago.

Now he's just a sad, tired, bitter old man.

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[Doomstone]

One of the more intelligent things I've seen written on the subject:

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As someone who grew up in the old Soviet Union where all radio and TV was government-controlled and heavily censored, I find it especially chilling when our government starts to act like the Communist regime I came to America to escape. The justification for Communist censorship was that it was "protecting" the Soviet people from what it claimed was "harmful" material--exactly the justification given by the FCC for attempting to censor radio and TV shows like the Howard Stern Show. In my view, the FCC's threatened "crack down" on shows like Stern's should be condemned in the same way as we pilloried Communist censorship.

The essence of our freedom in America is that everyone is allowed to publish and speak what they feel or believe; and that everyone else is free to listen or not listen as they see fit. Ideas or beliefs which are "wrong" and "harmful" will be exposed by this process and rejected or "turned off" by listeners. In this case, the popularity of the Stern Show demonstrates that a large audience wants to listen to the entertainment he provides; and the government has no right to prevent this audience, whether by threats of fines or pressure put on broadcast networks, from listening to and watching viewpoints with which they agree or find entertaining.

This is particularly true when the alleged grounds of the censorship is to "protect" Americans from being exposed to sexual words or imagery. There is so much ignorance, misinformation, and frighteningly silly ideas about sex in American culture--all stemming from a misguided Puritanism and religiously-inspired fear of sex--that America needs to have more mass media sources for better, more enlightened ideas about sexual subjects. While I often disagree with many of Howard's ideas and with his male chauvinist attitudes, his popularity reflects the desire of a huge number of Americans for more openness and free discussion of sexually-related subjects. I fully agree with this sentiment, and deplore any attempt to restrict Howard's right to discuss sexual issues on the air and his listeners' right to love or hate what he says.

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[Heavy]

Don't listen.

Done.

Problem solved.




Works for me.

And I like that this isnt in entertainment. Hes not entertaining so it fits perfectly

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[JustJon]

What i find really funny is the fact that Howard's always crying about clones and people ripping him off while Jimmy Kimmel played this exact same clip from Oprah last night. I'm not sure if he gave Kimmel any credit, can anyone that caught the show inform me.

Actually, the original clip Howard played was from Kimmel's show, with the intro and punchline delivered by Kimmel.

Howard is a fan of Jimmy's show and often praises it.

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[PSYCHOMARKFAN]

All of these ultra sensitive right-wingers are screaming bloody murder about Howard's antics and Janet Jackson showing her nippage at the Super Bowl but no one, i mean NO ONE is mentioning the same things that the guys are saying at the hip hop station here in NYC. That one from Power105 is ranting about "those white devils" and about white women taking black men away from the sistahs. Even if this was meant to be humorous nobody is raising a finger to scream at the FCC to do something about them. Oh, i guess that's o.k. because it's anti-white and it's on a hip hop station. After all if the FCC is going to come after Stern and all the other "Shockjocks" why not the hip hop community??

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[TheMojoPin]

And that all violates...what?

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[badorties]

it maybe small or petty ..... but i think it really indicates how much stern's new crusade is to further his own celebrity, rather than any just cause .....

during the news today, stern read a glowing review of his show and website of late, and the article inferred that karl rove (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=karl+rove+biography&rs=0&ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp) should be concerned about stern's political reach ....

stern paused for a moment and asked who's karl rove ....

now for the last month or two stern has become obsessed with bush, not knowing rove's role with bush just comes off as dim ....



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