Does the Cap work in sports?

[Heavy]

In thoery it should give teams an even chance to have equal talent on thier teams. As far as gather, Baseball and Hockey have no cap, while football and basketball do. What i dont know is when exactly Football and B-ball started thier caps. Football I believe has had the revunue sharing deal in place for like 40 years, and it started to stop half the league from folding. If I'm wrong let me know. B-ball, I think, has had some version of a cap since around 86. I'm sure I'm wrong. If I am, let Wadd know.

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[KERMIT]

It does not work in the NBA because you still have dynasties and dominant teams. It only works in the NFL because of non guaranteed contracts. and equal TV money.

Also 1 more thing if ur gunna make a cap go all the way and do a hard one. Not the pussy soft cap that the NBA has. If you do not allow La to resign Shaq and duncan beacuse they are over the cap. Then the leauge would be more equal.

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This message was edited by KERMIT on 2-17-04 @ 8:11 PM

[Heavy]

Ok so people should stop bitching about a Baseball cap then right?

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[KERMIT]

Wadd. The only people who scream about the Baseball cap is Pussy ass Jelous Yankee haters. ITS BEACUSE THE YANKEES WIN!!!!! and use the cash right. If the Yankees were Like My pathetic Rangers. All people would do is laugh. There would be no need for a cap.

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[Heavy]

But wait a minute....... If there was a cap in baseball, then the Yankees wouldnt be winning all the time right? Are you trying to tell me they produce the best talent in all of baseball?

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[KERMIT]

Baseball has been trying to derail the Yankees since the beggining of time. They made the draft beacuse of them. They were taking all the young tallent. even if they make a cap Yankees would just make the best farm system known to man. They would pay the best scouts and draft good players. But why do that now?

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[Heavy]

Well this isnt suppossed to be about the Yankees. Any fool can see if they had to stick with home grown players theyd still be the best, but i was actually hoping to find out when these caps were implemented in the other leagues, i cant seem to find out on my own.

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[KERMIT]

NFL cap was implamented after the 80 lockout. NBA im really not sure. NBA had a hard cap untill somthing to do with scumbag Larry Bird. thats why they call it the Larry Bird exception. when the teams can resign their own players.

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This message was edited by KERMIT on 2-17-04 @ 8:40 PM

[Heavy]

Well in the 18 (84-85) seasons since the modern cap has been in basketball, there have been 6 different Champions.

Boston
LA Lakers
San Antonio
Detroit
Chicago
Houston

In hockey, where ther is no cap, there have been 9 different champions:

Colorado Avalanche
Dallas Stars
Detroit Red Wings
New Jersey Devils
New York Rangers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Montreal Canadiens

In the NFL, which DOES have a cap there have been 11 different champions in thier last 18 seasons...

Bucs
New England
Baltimore
St. Louis
Denver
Green Bay
Dallas
San Francisco
Washington
N.Y. Giants
Chicago

And finally in Baseball there have been 12.


Florida Marlins
Anaheim Angels
Arizona Diamondbacks
New York Yankees
Atlanta Braves
Toronto Blue Jays
Minnesota Twins
Cincinnati Reds
Oakland Athletics
Los Angeles Dodgers
New York Mets
Kansas City Royals


So what this tells me is that over the last 18 years, since the NBA has had its cap in place, that baseball has had the greatest parody of any sport.


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[mikeyboy]

So what this tells me is that over the last 18 years, since the NBA has had its cap in place, that baseball has had the greatest parody of any sport.


You mean parity?

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MLS has a cap and revunue sharing. probably the only thing that's kept it afloat


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[Def Dave in SC]

ITS BEACUSE THE YANKEES WIN!!!!! and use the cash right


Not to turn this into another Yankees Thread, but you are an asshole, sir. The Yankees win (now im talking regular season, because although they had many championships in the late 90's, they havent won since 2000) because they keep others from doing so. They do this bys simply overpaying anyone Georgie has his eye on. Its because of yhe Yankees, and the Red Sox as well, that baseball salaries are so monstrously high. Gerorge is a dick, and if he can't win with the best players, he makes sure that noone else can. Throwing Several millions at player like Nick Johnson, who could have started for probably 20 teams, to play in a backup role for the Yankees is an example of this.

He's been traded, but since George payed paid someone to basically Pinch Hit and occasionally start when a regular needed rest, he inflated the salaries of everyone in the league. Now mid-level players get paid what superstars make in the NFL simply because people like Steinbrenner and Luccino will pay exorbitant amounts to get somebody simply because the want.

Now, just because a team is so unlucky as to play in a small market like Pittsburgh or Tampa Bay, this team cannot generate nearly the money that a team in New York or Los Ageles can.

Now these teams can't even get mid-level players, because they command so much money from the large market teams.

A salary cap makes it so that no matter how much money you make, every team has the same amount of money to spend on players. This makes owners think twice about paying one guy 45 million a year, if the team only has 80 or 90 mill to spend on payroll.

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[KERMIT]

ITS BEACUSE THE YANKEES WIN!!!!! and use the cash right


Not to turn this into another Yankees Thread, but you are an asshole, sir.

First of all. No need for name calling. Dickhead. you can make your point without it. My point is. If the NHL did not have all these money problems. Would they give a shit that the Rangers Have the highest payroll in Hockey? NO. Thats beacuse the Rangers are an embaressment. All im saying. And once again not to make this another Yankee thread. If the Yankees Sucked like the Rangers. No one would give a shit how much they spent.



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[Snoogans]

too lazy to see if this was brought up

the NFL has a hard cap. its a limit, and no matter what, can not be exceded.
the NBA has a soft cap. you can exceed the cap to resign your own players or bring guys in at the league minimum, but cant exceed it to sign free agents

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Thats beacuse the Rangers are an embaressment. All im saying. And once again not to make this another Yankee thread. If the Yankees Sucked like the Rangers. No one would give a shit how much they spent.

he makes a point. the reason people get on the yankees is cause they far exceed anyone. the rangers have the highest, but are not more than 10 or so mill ahead of anyone, where as the yankees are around 90 million higher than anyone at this exact moment.
like ive said, bring in Arod. itll make it that much sweeter when the yankees dont win the world series. and its alot harder to spend alot of money and suck in baseball. if you have talent, you will be competitive. hockey, you have to get that talent to play with others. Giambi's knee wont effect Arod, but something like Holik's knee would effect jagr say

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[newport king]

Any fool can see if they had to stick with home grown players theyd still be the best,

because there are so many on the team now??

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[JustJon]

If money is such a big deal, how did the top salaried team get beat by a low salary team like Florida? It's not just money, it's about talent too.

Besides, the BoSox are second highest salaried team and they haven't won since 1918. And Mets are 3rd and they only got 1969 and 1986.

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[SixPack]

Don't kid yourself, the purpose of the cap is not to "ensure fairness" or parity (except perhaps in the NFL). It's to keep the teams financially sound by placing some sort of limit on team payroll (cause lord knows you can't trust these million dollar high profile GMs to do it themselves). That's all its supposed to do, so that teams don't give in to the endless escalation of player salaries, and have a rush of teams folding. There is no true "hard" cap in sports. As you said, basketball has tons of rules to get around it when you need to, and in football, if you gave a guy a bad contract, you can just cut him and offer him something new (or go elsewhere).

[Jack_Doff]

The caps work fine, in my estimation. When I played baseball, I found that by pulling the brim of the cap down, I could keep much of the bright sunlight out of my eyes and increase visibility. In the other sports, I'm not sure how well they'd work. I mean after all, it is pretty tough to fit a cap underneath your football or hockey helmet.

[phixion]

i dont see how naybody could complain about the cap. its good for all sports and everyone should implement the hard cap that the nfl has. and itsnot just about winning championships its about being competitive. baseball doenst have that. not to the extent that basketball and football has. in the mlb the orioles and toronto have just been effectivley shut out of playoff consideration just cause the division their in. the nl east has been won by the braves how many straihgt seasons?

the thing about baseball is although a small market team may win the series they do so by pitching. beckett out pitched pettite thats all there it to it. this arod thing doenst really matter in the long run because championships are won by pitching and defense.

and for the soft cap in the nba it allows a team to sign their own players back. the spurs were able to resign duncan. but that didnt stop other teams from being competitive. its not like because one player was resigned that two other teams were effectively shutout of playoff consideration like in baseball.

i wish all sports were like the nfl, it allows coaching to come first and everything else second. it helps a team to go 1-15 one season and 2 years later their in the superbowl. but ask me which is the fairer sprt basketball or baseball it is by far basketball. the nuggets had the second worst record in basketball last year and now their probably going to the playoffs, that almost never happens in baseball.

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