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Teenweek
02-12-2004, 02:51 PM
Why is it that as soon as someone is released by WWE, they will automatically become a superstar somewhere else. It could be anybody, and the net says, well the wwe did not use him right. They do not know how to use them.

Give me a break. Yes, they have made mistakes, especially Jerry Lynn. And even though I don't like him that much, Raven. And I did like Spanky and Paul London as a tag team. Aside from that everyone they released were overrated, can't do much else with them slightly below average midcarders. From Dlo Brown (average, only good gimmick was The Nation), to Dustin Rhodes (his whole career has been nothing besides being a fag in Goldust) to Crash (RIP but a hardcore gimmick the wwf gave him), and finally Kanyon(extremely overrated).

People say even Eddie Guerrero and Benoit are not used right. Bullshit. Eddie has a title shot at next PPV and is due for a high profile feud with Kurt Angle. Benoit won the rumble and will main event with HHH and Benoit.

The WWE does lots of stuff wrong, but stop with the everything TNA touches turns to gold and Vince does not know his ass from his elbow.

WRESTLINGFAN
02-12-2004, 03:05 PM
There is only 1 reason... Triple H, the fucking WWE revolves around him thats why

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phixion
02-12-2004, 03:15 PM
whats the point of title shots if you never win? hell bob holly had a title shot. heres a perfect example of how they misuse people: brock lesnar. from the moment he showed up it was obvious that vince wanted the strap around his waist. there was no working his way up. he didnt begin his career as a midcarder gaining heat or fans based along the way, he didnt have memorable matches in his YEARS spent working his way up to main event status. he didnt first gain the IC belt or any belt for that matter except the championship. thats not how you build great franchises. bret hart and hbk started out in tag competition and then worked their way up to IC and then worked their way into the championship fray. brock didnt, he was handed the title, and in doing so many, many other wrestlers were simply forgotten and forced into mid-card status. rvd, booker, y2j, and guerrero. its no mistake that the especially great wrestlers work their way up and are then considered amazing in ring talent.

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RF Godfather
02-13-2004, 02:49 AM
and finally Kanyon(extremely overrated).Are you fucking kidding me? How is he overrated? Why cuz Edge steals his moves and pawns it off as his? He is a far superior athlete than 90% of the current WWE.

Understatement of the century!

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Teenweek
02-13-2004, 03:11 AM
I was bored by him in WCW and bored of him in WWE. Overrated is an understatement.

fluffernutter
02-13-2004, 04:55 AM
And I watched the Monday Night Wars DVD the other night (it was great by the way) and the question kept running over in my head as I kept hearing:

"The competition made us better. It borught out the best in everyone"

Just that. That alone makes me really wish that TNA will get it's TV deal soon. Remember how fun it was to watrch RAW and NITRO on the same night. Hell, when i would work third shift, I took every Monday night off to watch RAW and the NITRO replay. Sometimes 6 hours a night!

There is the talk on the video about how all these young stars are held down because of the bulshit politics in the back. How the Hogans and Nashes would keep all the younger talent down. Isn't this what helped to kill WCW? It seems as if the same thing goes on now with the Triple H/McMahon Reich and how these guys who are deserving and fitting Champions who have been long established never get to wear the belt. It is a bit depressing.

Even Bischoff on the video and a few of the WCW castaways said how WWF did the right thing by pushing the new stars. Hell they did. With the Austins, Rocks, Triple H's to name a few. But now it is time to create some new stars and stop pushing the Trpile H regime down our throats. Your business will falter Vince if you keep beating the same dead horse. Aren't buy-rates for PPV's down? Isn't Monday night ratings down to a 3.5 (if that)? The only thing that has been getting me off recently is the pushing of the new talent on Smackdown. I truly hope that Chris Benoit can win the title at WMXX as opposed to turning the matrc into a farce and having it be Paul & Shawn's Magical Show Off Playground.

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sleepyeyed_Jynx
02-13-2004, 12:01 PM
Well what can I say? The WWE formula of pushing the young guys to keep things fresh got thrown out the window when they bought out their competition. Basically they felt they were the sole source of televised wrestling, they were right. But instead of their theory that everyone would now watch them back fired when they misused guys from they companies the bought like DDP, RVD, Jerry Lynn, and a number of others. Even before ECW and WCW's demise where the WWE got great workers like Perry Saturn, Dean Malenko and Tazz, they just couldn't use them right which lead the fans to get bored with them altogether. Dean and Tazz retired, and I haven't the slightest clue where Saturn is. As for the other two radicals who hit the WWE, yes they are getting their much deserved main event pushes. But, there's much speculation as to if they will be allowed to hold the strap for a decent title run.

So instead of letting the same morons head the fed, why don't we turn to the real talent. Some of the new talent are Matt Hardy, Christian, Chavo Guerrero, Jamie Noble and a number of others. Not to mention those who should be heading the fed in the main event card like Jericho, RVD, and Booker. Unless the WWE can do this, then they too will lie in WCW's grave.


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RF Godfather
02-14-2004, 02:55 AM
I haven't the slightest clue where Saturn is.He appeared in TNA for the Extreme Revolution alongside Raven, Sandman, Credible, Awesome and New Jack but then went back to Japan. He is set to return to TNA very soon.

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Se7en
02-14-2004, 05:36 PM
Why is it that as soon as someone is released by WWE, they will automatically become a superstar somewhere else. It could be anybody, and the net says, well the wwe did not use him right. They do not know how to use them.

Nine times out of ten, they don't.

Give me a break. Yes, they have made mistakes, especially Jerry Lynn.

Then I'm not sure why you don't see the Kanyon situation in the same way.

Jerry Lynn - solid worker, able to work with both cruizers & heavies, released because the WWE "couldn't find anything for him creatively".

Kanyon is EXACTLY the same.

And even though I don't like him that much, Raven. And I did like Spanky and Paul London as a tag team. Aside from that everyone they released were overrated,

I would disagree. Except for Ernest Miller. Although I'm not sure anyone really rated him highly to begin with.

From Dlo Brown (average, only good gimmick was The Nation),

Underrated worker who's done far better for himself in TNA and in Japan than he ever did in the WWE.

If he was still in the WWE, he'd be nothing but a lower-midcard heel wrestling on Heat.

to Dustin Rhodes (his whole career has been nothing besides being a fag in Goldust)

You're grievously forgetting his time in the early 90s in WCW, where he a) consistently put on good matches and b) was VERY over (until around late 94 / early 95 when Hogan came).

He's still a good worker, and I think he has an opportunity to shine in NWA. He'll always be associated with Goldust, but to think he's worthless outside of that gimmick is crazy talk.

People say even Eddie Guerrero and Benoit are not used right. Bullshit. Eddie has a title shot at next PPV and is due for a high profile feud with Kurt Angle. Benoit won the rumble and will main event with HHH and Benoit.

You're pointing to RECENT events.

Over the course of their employment with the WWE, there have been significant periods of time where they weren't used right - or were just shuffled into the midcard while other, less-deserving workers got the top feuds.

And Benoit isn't a good example to use, since the WWE has admitted that Michaels is viewed as the top face (NOT Benoit) and what was supposed to be Benoit's big match at Mania is already been muddled with.

The WWE does lots of stuff wrong, but stop with the everything TNA touches turns to gold and Vince does not know his ass from his elbow.

Judging by everything from gate attendance to PPV buyrates, perhaps Vince DOESN'T know his ass from his elbow.

But everything TNA doesn't turn to gold. I've been particularly critical of their recent decisions.


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