Why All The Orton Bashing?

[Tazz]

Some people (you know who you are) bash this guy all the time. I see no reason for it.

His skills are getting better, he's got a good look, and he has tons of charisma. He reminds me of someone else that was pushed too fast too soon. If I could only remember his name.....

Oh yea, it was this guy:

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But then, his career never went anywhere anyway, did it?

Give Orton time.

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[RF Godfather]

I agree with you Jon. I had my doubts in the beginning (I hated him with a passion) because he was like a Maven and with no finisher no less. But now he has "evolved" into a charismatic Diamond Cutting RKO narcissistic third generation son of a bitch and I am glad. I can see the Rock in him... barring any career threatening injury.

I think his feud with Foley will really give him some much needed exposure and respect. I am pulling for the guy!

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This message was edited by RonFez Mark on 1-27-04 @ 12:47 PM

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I liked Randy since his injury update promos and like him even more now. I think his current gimmick is pretty good.

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[Se7en]

Some people (you know who you are) bash this guy all the time. I see no reason for it.

The reasons are there. They are plenty.

His skills are getting better,

That's HIGHLY debatable, as last night's fuckup shows.

He's still green as hell, but he hasn't improved THAT much. RVD carried him in their match on RAW a couple weeks ago.

Digest THAT. Rob fucking Van Dam, of all people, had to carry someone.

he's got a good look, [

This, sadly, is his greatest asset.

and he has tons of charisma.

*looks around* Where? I can't see it. Some charisma? Sure. Tons? Nope. Nothing near required to be at the level he's at now, and poor Mick Foley outclasses him here in every way possible. He's got a Herculean task ahead of him.

He reminds me of someone else that was pushed too fast too soon. If I could only remember his name.....

Your comparison is flawed as Rock is (and was then) not only a better worker than Orton but has so much more charisma that the two don't even exist in the same reality. The only WWE star that probably had more charisma than Rock was Hogan. Orton doesn't come close. Hell, Orton doesn't even have as much charisma as RVD, and Rob's pretty much just enhancement talent these days.

The only young WWE star who you could possibly draw Rock comparisons to, BTW, is John Cena. But then again, he's actually earned his spot.

That's the reason why guys like me bash Orton - he hasn't done anything to deserve the level of a push that he's getting (outside of the fact that he's HHH's pet project). Guys like Rock back then, guys like Cena now, they weren't the BEST workers in the company but they at least had something - a huge dose of charisma. Orton doesn't even have that.

This is what I meant when I said that Foley inadvertently exposed Orton last night. Orton is the perfect example of the WWE "Big Lie" - push someone hard enough and eventually, people will start to think they're actually over and worth something.

But Orton's not.

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[KERMIT]

and he has tons of charisma.


*looks around* Where? I can't see it. Some charisma? Sure. Tons? Nope. Nothing near required to be at the level he's at now, and poor Mick Foley outclasses him here in every way possible. He's got a Herculean task ahead of him.

He reminds me of someone else that was pushed too fast too soon. If I could only remember his name.....

Your comparison is flawed as Rock is (and was then) not only a better worker than Orton but has so much more charisma that the two don't even exist in the same reality. The only WWE star that probably had more charisma than Rock was Hogan. Orton doesn't come close. Hell, Orton doesn't even have as much charisma as RVD, and Rob's pretty much just enhancement talent these days.

The only young WWE star who you could possibly draw Rock comparisons to, BTW, is John Cena. But then again, he's actually earned his spot.

That's the reason why guys like me bash Orton - he hasn't done anything to deserve the level of a push that he's getting (outside of the fact that he's HHH's pet project). Guys like Rock back then, guys like Cena now, they weren't the BEST workers in the company but they at least had something - a huge dose of charisma. Orton doesn't even have that.

This is what I meant when I said that Foley inadvertently exposed Orton last night. Orton is the perfect example of the WWE "Big Lie" - push someone hard enough and eventually, people will start to think they're actually over and worth something.

But Orton's not.


YEA. Exactly what he said

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[Tazz]

Well, we agree to disagree. I think Orton is MUCH more entertaining that the "Blue Chipper" Rocky Maivia was.


Not only a better worker than Orton but has so much more charisma that the two don't even exist in the same reality.


I am not talking about when Rock got big, I am talking about the pushed too soon boring period of "Die Rocky Die" Blue Chipper era.

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This message was edited by Tazz on 1-27-04 @ 10:11 PM

[fluffernutter]

I remember the Blue Chipper era being tripe but there was something small there that was pushable. It looks like Orton is a small "pet" of Trips but he does definitely have something that is very charismatic and very worth pushing. The only thing I read in the sheets was that Vince didn't like his ink because it wasn't "marketable". Meh. Orton and Cena are about the best two things going right now. I would sooner see young green talent (not Cena but Orton being the green one) then a redneck riding around on a scooter all night long. I don't think Orton could ever become a face though. He is such a perfect heel.

On a side note, I really look forward to seeing Cena grow even more as a wrestler and entertainer casue I think he has the most potential to be something even bigger in the future.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

When Orton started, I thought it was cool that another third generation wrestler was in the WWE. His best of three with Hardcore Holly on Smackdown to start his career was a nice slow enterance. Then when he went to RAW, we started seeing him be a little more of a talent you probably would see more often. Then he messed up his elbow.

The RNN reports showed his graduall building of mic skills. It wasn't all quite there, but then Evolution came, he faced HBK, and in my opinion, legitimized himself as a WWE Superstar with that match.

I think he has a bright future ahead of him. He definitely needs a couple more break-out matches and defitely a bunch more killer promos. Until then, the IC title should keep him busy ring wise, as well as this Foley angle leading to WrestleMania XX.

Randy Orton is in my mind, WWE's next big franchise superstar.

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[Heavy]

Why All The Orton Bashing?

Because he sucks.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

I whole heartedly agree with Se7en that Randy Orton is definitely not worth the push. His in-ring skills are the equivalent of Mavens and his acredited decent mic skills are the obvious result of rehearsing the same lines in repitition until he could fairly pull off an ok promo. But when it comes to charisma, this kid has NONE.

The Rock has charisma, Y2J has charisma, the unfairly booked talent such as Matt Hardy and Christian, have charisma dripping from their pores. But Orton, and let me make this clear--Randy "I'M GETTIN MY PUSH BECAUSE OF MY FATHER AND GRANDPA, PLUS TRIPLE H'S OVERWHELMING INFLUENCE IS GIVING ME WAY TOO MUCH EXPOSURE TO FURTHER AGGRIVATE THE SMALL MARGIN OF FANS WHO ARE STILL HERE AFTER THE FED WENT IN THE TOILET" Orton, has no charisma whatsoever.

If you count his toad-like expressions and "I'm so good looking" aura that shrouds this conceited little brat, than I'll give you that. But even in that formula charisma isn't found, just disgusting self-love. I'm ashamed that any of you would say Orton deserves his push. And further more the only reason why you guys may say his in ring skills are improving is because he isn't half assing his drop kick as much so now it actually hits the guy before they take a bump.

Don't make me have to come back in this thread and start up again.

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[Snoogans]

Some people (you know who you are) bash this guy all the time. I see no reason for it.


whatever man, i cant help it, the guy is a tool

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[Heather 8]

He does nothing for me. Not much more to it than that. But I try not to waste too much thought or energy on him... y'all know there are others more worthy of my wrath. :eg:

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This message was edited by Peachy on 1-29-04 @ 9:04 PM

[KERMIT]

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se7en. Thats some funny shit

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This message was edited by KERMIT on 1-29-04 @ 9:24 PM

[synthfiend]

It's screwed up because Orton's claim to greatness is that his grandfather used to be pretty good and his father will always be known as "That guy who used to be with Roddy Piper" or "That other guy who boxed Mr. T" or "That guy on Piper's pit with the cowboy hat". Orton is just no fun to watch. You can talk about his Rnn updates but if you gave that bit to anyone they'd get some heat for being an asshole. The fact is that he's being carried in one way or another on the backs of Ric Flair, HHH, Mick Foley, just like Lesnar is/was on Angle, Rocky, Hogan, they all made him what he is not his actual talent but on others jobbing for him or making him seem worthwhile. Rocky broke out on the Nation of Domination. He made the best of a lame racist gimmick and the people loved it because he had natural charisma. Not charisma by association, not Billy Gunn-esque McMahon created charisma but a natural gift fior entertaining. Orton basically is X-Pac but with less talent.

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[Crippler]

his father will always be known as "That guy who used to be with Roddy Piper" or "That other guy who boxed Mr. T" or "That guy on Piper's pit with the cowboy hat".

Don't forget, "That guy who broke his arm & it never healed so he wore a cast for about 5 years."

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[Se7en]

It's screwed up because Orton's claim to greatness is that his grandfather used to be pretty good and his father will always be known as "That guy who used to be with Roddy Piper" or "That other guy who boxed Mr. T" or "That guy on Piper's pit with the cowboy hat". Orton is just no fun to watch. You can talk about his Rnn updates but if you gave that bit to anyone they'd get some heat for being an asshole. The fact is that he's being carried in one way or another on the backs of Ric Flair, HHH, Mick Foley, just like Lesnar is/was on Angle, Rocky, Hogan, they all made him what he is not his actual talent but on others jobbing for him or making him seem worthwhile. Rocky broke out on the Nation of Domination. He made the best of a lame racist gimmick and the people loved it because he had natural charisma. Not charisma by association, not Billy Gunn-esque McMahon created charisma but a natural gift fior entertaining. Orton basically is X-Pac but with less talent.


I don't think I can disagree with anything you've written there.

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[Tazz]

just like Lesnar is/was on Angle, Rocky, Hogan, they all made him what he is not his actual talent


The fact that you would attack the wrestling talent of a NCAA champion instantly makes me ignore any of your opinions.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

The fact that you would attack the wrestling talent of a NCAA champion instantly makes me ignore any of your opinions.

So you've found an excuse to ignore the truth huh, Tazz? How conveniate. Orton sucks, let's lock this thread.

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[synthfiend]

The fact that you would attack the wrestling talent of a NCAA champion instantly makes me ignore any of your opinions


If he has wrestling talent I haven't seen it. Sneak attacking cruiserweights outside of the ring and punch, kick, no sell, repeat, f-5 INSIDE of the ring doesn't impress me much. To me "Here comes the pain" means Brock is going to cut another promo.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

If he has wrestling talent I haven't seen it. Sneak attacking cruiserweights outside of the ring and punch, kick, no sell, repeat, f-5 INSIDE of the ring doesn't impress me much. To me "Here comes the pain" means Brock is going to cut another promo.

Well, when I first got back to watching wrestling this summer, I thought Lesnar sucked as well. Then I saw some more matches and changed my mind. He's decent, and sells alot which guys his size rarely do. He also knows how to work with the crowd and make himself, and the other guy look good. Look at his match against Rey Mysterio. After hitting the power bomb, he fell as to signal that Rey took a lot out of him and this was his desperation attack that he needed to squeeze out a win. Lesnar can stay, but ship Orton back to OVW or fire him.

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[Teenweek]

I like him as a cocky heel. His videos paid for by friends of randy orton are the best since Mr. Perfect's. His program with Mick Foley is one I am very excited about.

[Tazz]

So you've found an excuse to ignore the truth huh, Tazz? How conveniate. Orton sucks, let's lock this thread.


What truth? The truth that we all have different opinions?

So, some people like him, others hate him. Big deal. You'd better get used to him though, cause I have a feeling that he has a huge future. I still think he is the next Rock.

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[KERMIT]

What truth? The truth that we all have different opinions?

So, some people like him, others hate him. Big deal. You'd better get used to him though, cause I have a feeling that he has a huge future. I still think he is the next Rock.


Although i do agree that he will be around for a while and get pretty big. Beacuse HHH likes him. But, With that said. Him being the next Rock is going too far. Besides, the next Rock is most likley John Cena.

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[Tazz]

Besides, the next Rock is most likley John Cena.


There can't be more than one?

Besides, Orton has the whole "star" look and could probably grow big outside of wrestling as the Rock did. Cena may be able to reach Rock heights IN the ring.

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[synthfiend]

The simple fact is that Orton is HHH's baby. And as such everyone he faces will bend over backwards to make him look good just like they do HHH. Cena didn't have anyone next to him to make him look cool. Who CAN'T seem like they're worth anything when they're flanked by not only HHH but Ric Flair? Cena just like Rocky he made the best of what was set up to be a lame gimmick and the public ate it up. Cena took every shot handed to him by himself and his greatness shined through. Randy had Trips and Flair to walk in front of him to make him look legit. He's not a good wrestler, he's not a good entertainer, he's very average in every aspect and my sister said "He ain't even all that cute". What sets him apart is the greatness that surrounds him not his own merit and with that much knowledge and experience and greatness and charisma surrounding him he really should be a hell of a lot better than he is. The wrestling gods smiled on Orton and handed him everything he needed to be great. They even gave him some people to show him exactly how and he STILL sucks.

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[KERMIT]

and my sister said "He ain't even all that cute".


I agree with everything you said. AND BTW nice save By saying your sister said it. Very nice.

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

and my sister said "He ain't even all that cute".


"Queer!"

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[Clark Kent]

I'm trying to give the kid a chance, but I'll tell you what bothers me: tonight, JR announces Orton as "a future hall of famer." Could we PLEASE see him wrestle some clean, respectable victories before saying things like that?

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[KERMIT]

Did he? i thought he said that about HBK? and called Orton the Legend Killer. If im wrong then once again..... JR Overstates things

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