THE RICOCHET EFFECT

[furie]

makes sense to me (http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/14728.htm)




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[The_Fat_Mole]

uhhh the guy's name is dick.

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[Snoogans]

i got halfway through the first paragraph. this is what i dont know shit about what liberal means and this and that, i cant stand to listen to these things. ill just stick to forming opinions based on what i think about what i here on the news

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[high fly]

I would agree with him somewhat, but not entirely.
The takeover of the Republican Party by the hard right began with the challenge to Gerald Ford by Ronald Reagan in the '76 election, and Reagan's eventual election in '80.

There are strict loyalist in both parties who are against anything the other side says. They are so caught up in opposing the source that they lose sight of the merits of what is being said.

So we see the current Bush administration ignoring general and specific warnings about the threat our country faced from terrorists in general and Bin Laden specifically.
They were urged and warned by those working on the threat in the previous administration, but they ignored those warnings.
They ignored the warnings of the threat because of the source.
Blaming everything bad on President Clinton had become such a habit (and still is), that they ignored the warnings and it took the attacks on September 11th to shake them from their lethargy.

Because they figured anything Clinton or his administration said just HAD to be wrong, they were caught napping on 9-11.

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[TheMojoPin]

Then why are the sources of that 9/11 information, namely the top CIA officials who brief the president, still in office under Bush?

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[furie]

high fly, it amazes me that you can't comment on an article without knocking the current administration, even when the article had nothing to do with Bush. You really are Mr. Derail-Thread.


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[high fly]

high fly, it amazes me that you can't comment on an article without knocking the current administration, even when the article had nothing to do with Bush. You really are Mr. Derail-Thread.




Way to run and hide from the point.

I gave an illustration of the argument that Morris is making in the article.

Last I checked, this IS the Politicsand Current Events forum, so it seems logical to me to apply Morris' argument to SHOCKER! current events and this administration!

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[high fly]

Then why are the sources of that 9/11 information, namely the top CIA officials who brief the president, still in office under Bush?


Bush, Rice & Co. weren't looking at the sources of the threat warnings in the intelligence agencies as much as they were the Clinton administration figures who were warning them when they took office. The current administration back then was so locked into the thought that anything the Clinton people said just had to be wrong, that they ignored the warnings.

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[TheMojoPin]

You mean the Clinton admin to time to do anything except fill their pockets on the way out?

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[furie]

I'm not running or hiding from the point. it's simply been made MANY time in other threads where that was the topic.

and you're not applying morris' idea to current events. Morris' theory is that an incumbent uses centrist ideas to "steal" voters away from the otherside. the extreme left or right, whatever the case may be, fills the vacuum of power for the party on the outside.

now, what does that have to do with what you said?


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[high fly]

Why does the opposition party tend to become dominated by it's own extremists when it is out of power? [Morris]

Before Bush turned his back on just about everything he ran on (except tax cuts), he was an extremist (as Morris would put it)
When he came to office, BEFORE he began the big government, big spending, financially irresponsible policies designed to appeal to the center, Bush was warned of the terrorist threat.
Because he was still in reactionary mode, Bush refused to take those warnings seriously BECAUSE they came from the previous administration.

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[A.J.]

Not a bad article.

The takeover of the Republican Party by the hard right began with the challenge to Gerald Ford by Ronald Reagan in the '76 election, and Reagan's eventual election in '80.

Though you could say the seeds were sown in 1964 with Reagan's famous speech in support of Barry Goldwater and the wooing of Southern Senators like Strom Thurmond.

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[high fly]

I agree, AJ. I just don't think they started getting "traction" in the party till then. Now they've pretty much taken over and it's going to be quite some time before you see moderates at the top of the Republican Party.

Laura Ingram won't stand for it.






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[furie]

Bush refused to take those warnings seriously BECAUSE they came from the previous administration.


that may very well be, but I don't see how you're drawing that conclusion from the article. Drawing centrist to you and driving extremists nuts doesn't cause a person to ignore years of intel. Why did the administration ignore warning, no one knows.


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