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gypsy

12-16-2003, 12:17 PM

I had always been told that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism only belived in one god, monotheism. I know Christians believe Jesus is the son of god, but yet Jesus himself is a god? Or maybe they are viewed as one.

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A.J.

12-16-2003, 12:21 PM

Holy Trinity: God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are one in the same.

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12-16-2003, 12:21 PM

there is one "God"

God is represented by the Holy Trinity - "God" the father, Jesus the son, and the "Holy spirit". That's why you're always like "in the name of the father, son and holy spirit".

Mary is the mother of God, but she is human. Joseph is the father of God..and he is human too.

God is God. Jesus is God who was born of man to show God's power. He came to show his power is on "earth as it is in heaven". The Holy Spirit is the "god" aspect that is in all of us.

Roman Catholics only believe in one "God".

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gypsy

12-16-2003, 12:25 PM

Thanks

Cause this weekend I was watching "The Hebrew Hammer," and in one seen a store with Christmas decorations has a sign that reads," Monotheist Only" and that got me thinking.

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NewYorkDragons80

12-16-2003, 01:17 PM

I saw that part too (unfortunately). I really didn't get the joke and it puzzles me to this day.

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12-16-2003, 03:55 PM

Are Christians Monotheist?

Is the Pope Catholic?

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sr71blackbird

12-16-2003, 04:01 PM

I always harbored a secret belief that many of the "Saints" are regarded as "lesser Gods" by the Roman Catholic Church, and by some people. St Anthony, the god of lost car keys and the like. A statue of St Joseph buried upside down to sell a house and whatnot.

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high fly

12-16-2003, 04:42 PM

In the Bible, the saints are all the believers. You'll find books in the epistles adressed to the "saints", and rather than describe them as you might expect, the book will correct error after error that they are making.

Some Christians don't go for the Trinity. It is a concept that was not a part of the church doctrine for the first few hundred years of the church.
It has been an argument that has been going since the 300s.
Rather than get caught up in it, read a book like Ephesians and concentrate on what IT says.

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12-16-2003, 05:21 PM

Yo nigga ya gota admit jesus was a brotha doe. Come on da nigga turned wata int owine know what im sayin', holla

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serVice

12-16-2003, 05:37 PM

Reading is fundamental.

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sr71blackbird

12-17-2003, 02:10 AM

I agree with you HighFly, the only thing is, it seems that over 90% of people that believe in God or the Church and its teachings have never even looked inside a bible, and as a result, only have the vaguest notion of whats its all about. They fall into that group that sees the saints as "lesser gods" as a result of that ignorance.

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gypsy

12-17-2003, 09:11 AM

I fucked up, actually the sign read "Monotheist not Allowed"

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Furtherman

12-17-2003, 09:38 AM

There can be many gods. After all, we created them.

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high fly

12-17-2003, 01:41 PM

Famous graffitti:

"There is no God"--- Neitche

"There is no Neitche"--- God

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NewYorkDragons80

12-17-2003, 03:18 PM

High Fly, you fool!

"God is dead" -Nietzche
"Nietzche is dead" -God

I always harbored a secret belief that many of the "Saints" are regarded as "lesser Gods" by the Roman Catholic Church, and by some people. St Anthony, the god of lost car keys and the like. A statue of St Joseph buried upside down to sell a house and whatnot.

WELL I GUESS THE SECRET IS OUT!!!
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12-17-2003, 08:54 PM

"God is dead" -Nietzche

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Snoogans

12-17-2003, 09:00 PM

i think honestly, being one, that if you have a serious religious question, dont ask catholics.

for one, most dont care, and for 2, catholism change, maniputed, and twisted things in the bible to be how they wanted. and also made up things.

what the fuck religion woulda had a saint of lost car keys. thats such fuckin bullshit its ridiculous

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Mike Teacher

12-17-2003, 09:07 PM

Holy Trinity: God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are one in the same.

Oh, that it were that simple, and everyone agreed.

The issue of how 'equal' the different members of the Trinity were was actually the big deal at the Council of Nicea.

Basically, Chist is the same as God. Why? Because some at the Council said so.

No, Christ is way lower. Why? Because some at the Council said so.

All of these issues, some would think, were devinely inspired and self-evident. The truth is, the basic tenets of the religion were voted on by a bunch of people.

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The Council of Nicea

What exactly happened at the famous Council of Nicea, when the Roman emperor convened some 250 quarreling Christian bishops?

It was of great importance in Christian and even in world history," wrote historian W.H.C. Frend about the first Council of Nicea. In Christian history, the doctrine of Christ's divinity (a doctrine essential and unique to Christianity) was formally affirmed for the first time.

Alexander had been discussing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost for some time when he was interrupted by one of the presbyters called Arius, a native of Libya, and it is possible that Arius was justified in accusing Alexander of Sabellianism, a heresy that involved a belief in the unity of God at the expense of the reality of the Trinity. But in combating Alexander, Arius fell into a new heresy, for he announced, "If the Father begat the Son, then he who was begotten had a beginning in existence, and from this it follows there was a time when the Son was not". Here, at some time in 319, the cry of the Arians--"There was a time when the Son was not"--was first heard. They were dynamite and split the church in two.

High as he is, the Son is now infinitely lower than the Father. The words are like a wedge, splitting the monotheism of the church.

It was a very simple heresy. All Arius said was that if the Father begat the Son, then the Son must have had a birth, and therefore there was a time when the Son of God did not exist. He had come into existence according to the will of the Heavenly Father, and therefore he was less than the heavenly Father, though greater than man. Christ was no more than a mediator between man and God. No, answered Alexander and Athanasius; Christ is absolute God.

There were many heritical implications and doctrinal changes rooted from the
Nicean Council. These implications have caused division among the church body
and become the major forefront leading to what we now call Denominations.

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Was Mary worthy of worship? Or just a woman who carried a baby?

Was Jesus God, or Son of God, or Human and became God? Or something else entirely?

What happened, exactly, 2000 years ago?

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Some people believe that we really know.

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The Council of Nicea (http://www.thunderministries.com/history/Nicea.html#Nicea)

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sr71blackbird

12-18-2003, 05:18 AM

http://www.stjosephstatue.com/jen.jpg

No bullshit, people buy these things thinking it helps. (http://www.stjosephstatue.com/saintjosephstatue/)

Oh, and regarding Mary, Im catholic, but I view her as a vescle, and I dont believe that she only had one kid either, even though my religion trys to dictate that. Thats recently found ossuary that had the inscription "James, brother of Jesus"http://www.petroleumworld.com/IMAGES/JesusBoxAP.jpg Plus the numerous references in the bible to his brothers and sisters prove to me that a carpenter would likely need several children to help in his business. True that the book was modified, true that passeges are omitted, but its the basic story that gives people hope and we shouldnt try and make anyone doubt their religion if having that faith comforts them. A recent death in my family, this woman lived a wholesome catholic life, was descent in every way and faithful to a fault, and entoumbed in a Catholic cemetary. I know in my heart that her faith bolstered her that she believed in her faith and wouldnt want to hear that everything her life was based on was a sham. To her, it was REAL, flesh and blood, down to the bones. I have to honor that.

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Furtherman

12-18-2003, 01:17 PM

That box is a hoax.

Archaeologists say burial box is a hoax (http://www.lmtonline.com/news/archive/062203/pagea20.pdf)

What 'Jesus hoax' could mean for Mideast antiques (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0619/p07s01-wome.htm)

Biblical burial box 'a fake' (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s883042.htm)

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high fly

12-18-2003, 01:24 PM

It's a little late, but you're right, NYDragons.

Hoo boy, I sure fucked that one up.
Thanks for the correction.

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Snoogans

12-18-2003, 01:38 PM

wait wait wait, who is this jesus?

i never signed on to worship Dominican guys

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12-19-2003, 10:00 AM

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NewYorkDragons80

12-19-2003, 12:35 PM

The whole question of Christ's siblings is a little ridiculous. What makes the virginity miraculous is that She was a virgin when she had Jesus. I'm open to the possibility of Christ having siblings because such an idea does not interfere with this paramount fact.

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12-24-2003, 10:19 PM

monsterone

12-24-2003, 10:36 PM

The whole question of Christ's siblings is a little ridiculous. What makes the virginity miraculous is that She was a virgin when she had Jesus. I'm open to the possibility of Christ having siblings because such an idea does not interfere with this paramount fact.

Yea, she was a virgin. That's a fact Jack. A paramount fact.

Stop it.

Believe what you want, but "a paramount fact?", c'mon, a little courtesy please.

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This message was edited by Furtherman on 12-25-03 @ 2:20 AM

the paramount fact referred to is the fact of the son of god being conceived. not that mary was a virgin.

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Furtherman

12-24-2003, 10:56 PM

Of course. The son of god. Created by human mind for human kind.

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monsterone

12-24-2003, 11:03 PM

Of course. The son of god. Created by human mind for human kind.

and is that necessariy a bad thing?

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Furtherman

12-24-2003, 11:11 PM

and is that necessariy a bad thing?

Yes, because gods and myths have controlled the human mind for centuries. A weak, human mind that will follow rules and laws that have no basis in common sense. Oh sure, belief in a "god" will keep people in line and even do a lot of good, a lot of help. A belief in a "god" will also kill, destroy and wipe out cultures... all on stories that have no proof. No fact. Any scholar worth a dime will tell you the stories of the modern (christian) bible were only written 5 to 7 hundred years ago. Based on fable, possibly fact, but created to control. To lead. Not for greed in all cases, but eventually evolved to just that.

Follow your heart. Not what another man, or woman, says.

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monsterone

12-24-2003, 11:21 PM

but why are you so bothered/ threatened? what's your big problem with christianity?

if you look at islam now, what is representd in the forefront? fringe lunitics who deserve persecutiom. but the better majority are decennt people. same goes for christians, jes, budists, etc...

religion is/ can be detrimental to the human spirit, bu the better majority of people are content in that style of life.

so stop being so judgemmental. religion has more benefit than bad, yet we focus consistently on the bad.

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Furtherman

12-25-2003, 08:19 AM

I don't feel threatened. But yes, it does bother me that people need religion to feel content. And most religions are full of contradictions. Christianity is chock full of them. Chock full o'nuts.

But hey, whatever floats your ark.

It's just that you might as well worship Zeus.

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gypsy

12-31-2003, 08:00 AM

I once read that Jesus's father was named Panthera, a roman soldier who may have raped Mary. So Jesus may have been half Italian. Then again, the Roman Army was very diverse, since they often recruted soldiers from their conquered lands. But who knows there is no historical proof of Panthera, just like there in no proof of the immaculate conception.

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bigbaldirish

01-03-2004, 01:49 PM

Yea, she was a virgin

Joseph could have had other children with other wives ... (technically they wouldn't have been brothers and sisters, or even half-bro's and sis's, but Jesus could have called them such, especially if Mary considered them her children). secondly she was a virgin when she HAD Jesus. do you think they didn't try and procreate afterwards? Joseph wanted to carry on his name and property, because Mary even being the Mother of the son of God would not have been able to Hold Property

i am no bible expert, never read it, but i do know things are left out of it. Joseph being a widower before meeting Mary is a possibility.

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high fly

01-04-2004, 11:08 AM

There is nothing in the Bible about Mary remaining a virgin after her conception of Jesus.
After all, the angel TOLD Joseph to bang his wife...

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01-04-2004, 12:04 PM

Angels, shmangels, I like the parts of the Bible where they fight dragons! They should make a movie about that part and have Sean Connery as the voice of a dragon!

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