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Mike Teacher

12-14-2003, 03:29 AM

Briefing opens with, "Ladies and Gentlemen, We Got Him." Huge cheers.

"Saddam Hussein was captured Saturday, Deciember 13th at about 8:30pm local, in a cellar in Adwar."

600 troops force

1800 last night raider brigade forces NW of Adwar,

2100 Initial assault; unsuccessful, area condoned off, search of area

Mud hut, during search a `spider hole' was detected

Saddam was hiding at bottom of hole; captured with no resistance

They are showing video during conference: the crowd at the briefing starts to get very loud, as they are Actually showing Saddam. Iraqis in briefing room are now yelling in Arabic. Shows him heavily bearded; now showing before and `after' = mug shot photo. Very weary, sullen look; a very grey beard.

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DJEvelEd

12-14-2003, 03:34 AM

He grew a dirty Christmas beard to look like Santa. (although I heard reports it was a fake beard)

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12-14-2003, 04:20 AM

El Mudo

12-14-2003, 04:30 AM

Is it me or does bearded Saddam look an awful lot like old John Brown?

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12-14-2003, 04:43 AM

holy crap.. is it me or does.. he kinda look like tommy chong..

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12-14-2003, 04:52 AM

He looks like Santa was put away wet...in a dirt spider hole!

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Bill From Yorktown

12-14-2003, 04:53 AM

so how long before the nay sayers on the board say that they've had him for a while and were waiting for Christmas to announce :-)

wow I wasnt expecting them to find him anytime soon.

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Spank Daddy

12-14-2003, 04:58 AM

Woooooooo Hooooooooooo !!!!

I can't wait for the pictures of the perp walk, dragging his ass around in shackles and an orange jump suit.

I bet he tries to hire Johnny Cockroach for his lawyer ( and the douchbag would take the job, too ).

FUNKMAN

12-14-2003, 05:13 AM

Mud hut, during search a `spider hole' was detected

talk about a change in lifestyle, from the Palace to the 'spider hole' has gotta suck!

will terrorist actions decrease? if the good people of Iraq begin to stand up to them alongside the Military and Police Forces. you would think some 'bad guy' has got Saddams money and will continue to fund the terrorists.

final thought: this may have just won George Bush his re-election and may give the stock market a quick boost...

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12-14-2003, 05:17 AM

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fluffernutter

12-14-2003, 05:24 AM

Kinda looks like Charlie.

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I had on ESPN this morning as my eyes were drawn to the bottom of the screen.

BREAKING NEWS

Oh shit I thought.

Turns out to be a pretty good thing I just hope that things don't turn to worse with insurgents against the coalition.

Can anyone else remember when a big time "Evil Dictator" has been captured like this and kept ALIVE?!? I remember Milosovich but besides that, I don't know.

I wonder even if Saddam will be brought onto our soil for any kind of trial.

I wonder how long until flea market, streetcorner and subway merchants are gonna have t-shirts for sale.

It is just so surreal seeing Saddam being checked for lice and having a tounge depressor stuck in his mouth.

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On another note:
I vote Ed for mod. If anything Ed's gotta get something cause he beat Wadd to a news post. He is the NEW "You Heard It First" guy. Be it news about our Nation, the World or his bowels, like the National Enquirer, I want to KNOW!

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reeshy

12-14-2003, 05:25 AM

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FUNKMAN

12-14-2003, 05:30 AM

I wonder even if Saddam will be brought onto our soil for any kind of trial

i hope not... it seems the majority of his crimes were against the Iraqi people. let him be put on trial and sentenced in Iraq. i hope he is not handled as a 'trophy' and brought to the US.

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DarkHippie

12-14-2003, 05:32 AM

I hate to be a naysayer, but how do we know that its not one of his many doubles? After the news reported the story, the DNA better come back positive.

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WRESTLINGFAN

12-14-2003, 05:33 AM

I wonder what type of wine goes with crow. Bon Appetit Hillary Clinton you pompous bitch

reeshy

12-14-2003, 05:47 AM

I hate to be a naysayer, but how do we know that its not one of his many doubles? After the news reported the story, the DNA better come back positive

Several of the news agencies are reporting that the DNA tests are all positive. Also, all the scars that he purportedly sports on his body are an exact match....They got the right fuck!!!!!

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12-14-2003, 05:49 AM

After the shave down...
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FUNKMAN

12-14-2003, 05:53 AM

After the shave down...

Man! Can't they do something with them fucking eyebrows... scary

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sr71blackbird

12-14-2003, 06:08 AM

Looks like a pair of caterpillars crawling on his forehead!

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12-14-2003, 06:22 AM

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A.J.

12-14-2003, 06:24 AM

Out-fucking-standing! Hopefully bin Laden will be next.

This has been a job well done by the troops. Their patience and determination has paid off tremendously. I hope this boosts their morale even slightly.

It's important to remember that attacks against our troops won't stop now. There are still Saddam loyalists out there who may now initiate retribution attacks because of his capture.

Now lets give Saddam the war crimes trial he so richly deserves.

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blakjeezis

12-14-2003, 06:58 AM

Now lets give Saddam the war crimes trial he so richly deserves.

Trial?!?! Trial?!?! I say turn him over to the Iraqi people with some pictures of what the Italians did to Mussolini and let them figure it out for themselves.

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HBox

12-14-2003, 06:58 AM

so how long before the nay sayers on the board say that they've had him for a while and were waiting for Christmas to announce

A much smarter thing to do would have been to wait until the end of next October.

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HBox

12-14-2003, 07:09 AM

It is good to see Iraqis doing the stereotypical Arab celebration (running throught the streets, shooting weapons into the air) for a GOOD reason for a change.

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Teenweek

12-14-2003, 07:10 AM

Anyone wanna bet the Democratic candidates are pissed right now.

KillOReilly

12-14-2003, 07:33 AM

so how long before the nay sayers on the board say that
they've had him for a while and were waiting for Christmas
to announce

They'll announce Osama Captured in time for elections.

BTW what do they test his DNA against? do we have a
sample that we know to be Saddam's?

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A.J.

12-14-2003, 07:49 AM

Trial?!?! Trial?!?! I say turn him over to the Iraqi people with some pictures of what the Italians did to Mussolini and let them figure it out for themselves.

Hmmm...that sounds better than the gallows or a firing squad.

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DJEvelEd

12-14-2003, 07:52 AM

I vote Ed for mod. If anything Ed's gotta get something cause he beat Wadd to a news post. He is the NEW "You Heard It First" guy. Be it news about our Nation, the World or his bowels, like the National Enquirer, I want to KNOW!

I DID have to diarrea after I heard this news.
It's good when our government does what they say they're going to do.

All I ask for Christmas is 30 minutes in the Staff room to set free the all the falsely imprisoned Shock Posts.

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12-14-2003, 07:56 AM

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mikeyboy

12-14-2003, 07:56 AM

All I ask for Christmas is 30 minutes in the Staff room to set free the all the falsely imprisoned Shock Posts.

I made you a mod for 3 minutes in the middle of last night. You didn't even bother logging in. I'll expect a nice thank you note.

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DJEvelEd

12-14-2003, 08:03 AM

I made you a mod for 3 minutes in the middle of last night. You didn't even bother logging in. I'll expect a nice thank you note.

Thanks, but I never saw my name in red letters and never got my foot in the Staff Room door. How 'bout those other 27 minutes?

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12-14-2003, 08:09 AM

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12-14-2003, 08:31 AM

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mikeyboy

12-14-2003, 08:34 AM

Thanks, but I never saw my name in red letters and never got my foot in the Staff Room door. How 'bout those other 27 minutes?

Sorry. Nope. Three minutes was a trial run. You were an ineffective mod, so you get no more.

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furie

12-14-2003, 08:43 AM

I wonder even if Saddam will be brought onto our soil for any kind of trial

i sincerely doubt it. he'll probably go to guantanamo.

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FUNKMAN

12-14-2003, 08:49 AM

he'll probably go to guantanamo

sounds like a new Beach Boy tune...

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DC Reed

12-14-2003, 09:22 AM

Saddam looked like the type of guy who would beat his wife and get on cops when they captured him. He's really set the standard on how all terrorists should look when they are caught.

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KennethC

12-14-2003, 09:24 AM

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out, regarding Bush's re-election. It certainly seems like a slam dunk at this moment. However, this time, let's wait to hoist the "Mission Accomplished" banner.

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DESERTEAGLE.50

12-14-2003, 09:30 AM

saddam who?

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12-14-2003, 09:36 AM

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12-14-2003, 09:46 AM

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shamus mcfitzy

12-14-2003, 09:48 AM

Anyone wanna bet the Democratic candidates are pissed right now.

speaking of Democratic candidates, why is Clark in the Hague? Did they fly him in there for this or was there something i missed? I think this will certainly hurt most of the Dems, but somehow i think Clark still has the edge.

A General or The Guy who was president when Saddam was captured? I'm leaning to the left.

tee hee

HBox

12-14-2003, 10:24 AM

speaking of Democratic candidates, why is Clark in the Hague? Did they fly him in there for this or was there something i missed? I think this will certainly hurt most of the Dems, but somehow i think Clark still has the edge.

He's testifying at the war crimes trial of Slobodan Milosevic.

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12-14-2003, 11:04 AM

The capture of Saddam Hussein AND Deserteagle busted for his giant sig pic on the same day?? It's a great day for law and order in the world!

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high fly

12-14-2003, 11:12 AM

U.S.interrogator: "Well, Saddam, the jig is up. Several things you need to know. 1)It's all over.
You can forget about a comeback.
2) There's dancing in the streets, you're not as popular as you thought. FYI-some of your own clansmen turned you in.
3)We're looking at several options. How does a cage at Guantanamo sound?
4) Then there's the chance of a humiliating trial at the Hague and a life sentence. Heh heh, I guess that would beat letting some of your Iraqi victims decide your fate, now wouldn't it?
Stop your crying, here's some Kleenex............made by jews! ......Hahaha, just kidding.
Maybe.
5)You may be tried in the U.S. Already, prisoners at prisons like Leavenworth are holding lotteries for who gets to be your cellmate.
6)Wherever you go, you'll need these- a set of "instructional" videos to help you in your new career. Obviously you will need to master the art of fellatio very quickly.
7) Even if you are tried over in the U.S. and get the death penalty, it can be many years before we execute you.
8) But I do have some good news!"
Saddam: "Your Chonny Cochran has agreed to take my case?"
U.S. interrogator: "Hahahahahahaha! you're a funny guy, Saddam. We're gonna miss you around here. No, actually, the good news is I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to GEICO!
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SatCam

12-14-2003, 11:14 AM

Now all I need to do is pull out the old Billy Staples-Dickey Goodman Homage and see if any of the info was accurate.

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12-14-2003, 11:33 AM

I saw Chris Matthews commenting on what he thought about what would happen to Bush's re-election plans if after grilling, Saddam said he never had WMD's and this and that, and I wanted to cave his head in. That asshole can't look past politics for 5 minutes to see how great it is we got Saddam?

All politics aside, it is great for the people of Iraq who want a free society that Saddam is accounted for. Now they KNOW he will never again be able to regain power in his country.

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pennington

12-14-2003, 11:34 AM

Even NPR seems to think this is a good thing. I'm amazed.

They have a retired General on and the interviewer isn't being snide and condescending. Some of the callers are the typical shrill Stalinists, but they're actually putting through pro-military and pro-Bush callers.

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TheMojoPin

12-14-2003, 11:42 AM

Some of the callers are the typical shrill Stalinists

Wow, that's trying WAY too hard. Someone wasted far too much time thinking that up.

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reeshy

12-14-2003, 11:45 AM

Actually, being a debonair Maoist myself, I was rather titillated by the news!!!

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high fly

12-14-2003, 11:52 AM

Even NPR seems to think this is a good thing

NEWSFLASH! There are people who disagree with you who are patriots!
That this is good is kinda obvious...

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TheMojoPin

12-14-2003, 11:56 AM

being a debonair Maoist myself

In my wildest dreams, you wear nothing...NOTHING...but neru jackets...

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HBox

12-14-2003, 11:57 AM

Ho Chi Minh ISN'T a son of a bitch. He's actually pretty cool.

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high fly

12-14-2003, 12:00 PM

Yeah, but what he really needed was some moustache wax so he could affect a proper handlebar moustache...

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12-14-2003, 12:01 PM

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El Mudo

12-14-2003, 12:27 PM

Yeah, but what he really needed was some moustache wax so he could affect a proper handlebar moustache...

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12-14-2003, 01:14 PM

x-mas came early

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FUNKMAN

12-14-2003, 01:15 PM

i wonder how the chicks liked his new pad?

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Reephdweller

12-14-2003, 01:58 PM

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12-14-2003, 02:20 PM

The man lived like a king and was found like a bum. Im glad they got him. I hope he gets whats coming to him...

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A.J.

12-14-2003, 02:23 PM

Ho Chi Minh ISN'T a son of a bitch. He's actually pretty cool.

So he doesn't have the blueballs, crabs, or the seven year itch?

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12-14-2003, 02:23 PM

I woke up to this, and marked the fuck OUT as soon as I hear Bremer say, "We got him." God, this is one of those "proud to be American" moments.

Question for the class: what does this do to Howard Dean & all the other candidates who've built their campaigns, in whole or in part, on an anti-war platform?

Please don't answer with "Well, the real enemy is UBL! He's who we should have got!"

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12-14-2003, 02:29 PM

Question for the class: what does this do to Howard Dean & all the other candidates who've built their campaigns, in whole or in part, on an anti-war platform?

according to what I've heard his sole reason for invading iraq was because of WMD. They still haven't found them and we've spent billions of dollars and alot of families have lost loved ones...

i agree catching Saddam is a victory and it looks like the worst he has done in the past decade is murder his own people but for Political purposes Bush's opponents can still use the WMD issue against him ,not that it may do any good...

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HBox

12-14-2003, 02:32 PM

what does this do to Howard Dean & all the other candidates who've built their campaigns, in whole or in part, on an anti-war platform?

Nothing, if the attacks continue. If they don't, it's Bush for 4 more years. In fact, this could be a bad time for this to happen. If the attacks continue for another year, this day will be wiped from memory.

But I don't see how this justifies this war in the least. There still are no WMDs. We still aren't safer. This man was never a real threat. These are matters of opinion that this capture won't affect.

Today is a great day for Iraqis, but it won't change my life in the least.

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Yerdaddy

12-14-2003, 02:51 PM

What hbox said. Saddam wasn't coordinating the insurgency from a spiderhole, (unless the liberal press is purposly covering up that the majority of attacks have been carried out by spiders).

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12-14-2003, 02:53 PM

Question for the class: what does this do to Howard Dean & all the other candidates who've built their campaigns, in whole or in part, on an anti-war platform?

Aside from obvious reasons that the guys was evil, politically I think it's great that they got him - that they take this off the table for the left to use. It forces the Democrats to not have to run on simply the negatives "Anti-Bush/Anti-War"platform.

That said...Saddam supposedly didn't matter. That's what we were told. We were also told this war was about Weapons of Mass Destruction. We were also told that Iraq presented an immediate threat to our security, which is why this adminstration deployed 350,000 troops there - meanwhile, the one man we know for a fact that organized an attack on America is still at large - and we only have 8,500 troops in Afgahnistan looking for him.

Iraq was not what it was promised it would be - the Taliban are far from vanquished or discouraged in their part of the world - and our dreaded enemy, someone that we should have dealt with 13 years ago before hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were slaughtered, looks like a befuddled, tired and pathetic old man (part of me really wonders if this adminstration wanted him captured alive - a trial may bring out things Bush may not want revealed about his father).

A smart candidate with some balls can still make a go at it, but it's going to be tough. Most of the Dems are lightweights - I actually heard Gepheardt this morning sounding very Republican as he spouted the rhetoric about "3000 American lives killed on September 11th" - another moron forgetting that many of those killed were not Americans!

Skirt chasing a-hole!

Finally...Anybody Else Remember Iran '79-'80?

The same radical Shiite Muslims who deposed our pal, the brutal Shah, still run the place, just to the east of Iraq. Oh yeah, we got even all right, we made Saddam Hussein our pal to wage war w/ Iran throughout the '80s (same as we supported the Taliban's repulsion of the Soviets from Afghanistan). Few, if any, Iraqis were expecting Saddam to make a comeback anyway. But his capture will vaidate that the Sunnis' grip over the Shiite majority & the Kurds is loosed. Hatred of both Saddam and the U.S. runs deep among the Shiites. Our admin in Washington now wants to get this occupation wrapped up, install an Iraqi govt by June, bring the troops home. This is a medal day for our service personnel who captured Saddam (another feather in the cap for the Clinton Military!). Beyond that, we're reaching the limit of our ability to influence regional politics.

I don't give the Democrats much of a chance, now in '04. The left is too unorganized and too prone to be reactionary. Bush can be beat (I remember his father winning a war with Iraq only to lose an election), but I don't know if any of these guys can do it.

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FUNKMAN

12-14-2003, 02:58 PM

I actually heard Gepheardt this morning

this man has 'no chance' ... he is opie griffith in a suit...

i'm sure a nice educated man but his demeanor and appearance would not instill confidence in the American people...

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12-14-2003, 03:03 PM

I have to admit, if I didn't know who he was, I'd feel sorry for the guy. He looked so beaten and pathetic.

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12-14-2003, 03:24 PM

I hope that success in the war against terrorism marginalizes Howard Dean and strengthens Joe Lieberman as candidates for the Democratic challenger in the presidential race.

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12-14-2003, 03:33 PM

the war against terrorism

If you want to call it that................

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Dudeman

12-14-2003, 03:34 PM

sadam's war crimes trial:
iraq- for everything
iran- for invading and killing iranians
kuwait- for invading and killing kuwaities
usa- for 9/11?

-the dude is online-

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12-14-2003, 03:38 PM

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12-14-2003, 03:42 PM

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12-14-2003, 04:21 PM

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12-14-2003, 04:34 PM

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Melrapuo

12-14-2003, 04:40 PM

A spider's heart is near its ass? Wow...spiders and Hussein are so alike. It's scary, ya know?

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12-14-2003, 06:11 PM

sadam's war crimes trial:
iraq- for everything
iran- for invading and killing iranians
kuwait- for invading and killing kuwaities
usa- for 9/11?

-the dude is online-

Don't try to make the "Leaving Saddam in power =More Global Terrorism" argument around her Dudeman, the libs blow a fuse.

I would also add to that list:

Israel-funding homicide bombers

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12-14-2003, 06:13 PM

so who is this saddam guy and what did he do, fake licenses?

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12-14-2003, 06:45 PM

[quote]sadam's war crimes trial:
iraq- for everything
iran- for invading and killing iranians
kuwait- for invading and killing kuwaities
usa- for 9/11?

quote]

the point is that others will have legal reasons for prosecuting sadam, but the US (the one's who, yes, removed him from power and caught him, but also had to kill innocent people to do that) actually don't have a LEGAL reason for prosecuting him. unless the administration produces evidence he has funded terrorism, etc. that has killed or put us citizens in imminent danger, they don't have a reason to be involved in bringing sadam to justice.

or maybe not.

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sr71blackbird

12-14-2003, 07:30 PM

they don't have a reason to be involved in bringing sadam to justice

What about if we just "wanted to"?

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12-14-2003, 07:34 PM

they don't have a reason to be involved in bringing sadam to justice

what if while Saddam is sleeping they give him a suppository full of WMD... then they could say he had an 'assload'

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12-14-2003, 08:08 PM

In northern Kirkuk, eight people were killed and 80 wounded by shots fired in the air during celebrations of the capture, said hospital official Shehab Ahmed.

"I'm very happy for the Iraqi people. Life is going to be safer now," said Yehya Hassan, 35, of Baghdad. "Now we can start a new beginning."

it was probably safer when Saddam was in power...

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HBox

12-14-2003, 08:13 PM

What about if we just "wanted to"?

Well, if it's enough to wage a war...............

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12-14-2003, 08:37 PM

sadam's war crimes trial:
iraq- for everything
iran- for invading and killing iranians

We supported him for at least 10 years, during which he committed many crimes in Iraq, and waged the war against Iran, so aren't we also responsible?

I'm not seriously suggesting we should be on trial, but the point is that we supported this guy til he didn't fit in with our plan, and then we suddenly figured out he was a bad man. Who are we supporting now that we'll be trying to depose in 15 years?

I'm glad Saddam is being borught to justice, but I don't feel like we've achieved some great victory.

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A.J.

12-15-2003, 04:04 AM

Another (alleged) Saddam-al Qaeda link.

Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/12/14/ixportaltop.html)

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12-15-2003, 05:03 AM

Dean, yesterday, had this to say while campaigning in Florida:

"This is a great day of pride in the American military, a great day for the Iraqi people and a great day for America. I think President Bush deserves a day of celebration. We have our policy differences, but we won't be discussing them today."

Today he's supposed to give a speach on foreign policy.

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Dudeman

12-15-2003, 05:49 AM

42nd delay: i agree. that's why i put the "usa- 9/11" portion,
which you didn't include in you quote. im not saying that it isnt
good that he is gone, but we dont, ironically, have any LEGAL
gripe against him for a war crime. (unless maybe he used
chemical weapons against us during bush sr.'s war, but i never
heard that as the justification for w's war.)

-the dude is online-

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A.J.

12-15-2003, 06:10 AM

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12-15-2003, 06:17 AM

What a morale boost this is for all the troops over there. Those soldiers are gonna have great stories to tell, like "I was the one who pulled that rat from the hole", and " I'm the one who slapped the cuffs on him".

Better yet, "I was the soldier who shaved Saddam". I hope he kept the razor, because he could sell that on eBay for big bucks.

HBox

12-15-2003, 06:34 AM

Another (alleged) Saddam-al Qaeda link.

Here's what the Washinton Post thinks of that: Washington Post Editor Robert Kaiser (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63921-2003Dec14.html)

If we put every rumor and story in the British press (not to mention many others around the world) on the Web site, you'd be dizzy--and no wiser. The Post does not print other papers' uncheckable "exclusive" stories. And I can tell you that there have been dozens of bad--that is, wrong--ones over recent months. The Telegraph, Daily and Sunday, has not earned our respect for accuracy or careful reporting.

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12-15-2003, 06:37 AM

I hope we get Bin Laden next! And then Sajak!

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12-15-2003, 06:53 AM

he looks like the doctor from cannonball run.

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Se7en

12-15-2003, 07:19 AM

One of the most significant achievements of the entire war - from, at least, a morale standpoint - and I'm SHOCKED, shocked I tells ya, to see Ron & Fez downplay it like it's no big deal at all, and even focus on the negatives of his capture.....

.....oh wait, I'm not shocked. At all.

Dean, yesterday, had this to say while campaigning in Florida:

"This is a great day of pride in the American military, a great day for the Iraqi people and a great day for America. I think President Bush deserves a day of celebration. We have our policy differences, but we won't be discussing them today."

That's really the only move he could make.

I think this IS going to hurt Dean - not necessarily against Bush, or necessarily hurting his chances of winning the nomination (the hard-left is solidly behind him), but in the near future at least the other candidates are going to use this to hammer him, and hopefully gain some traction.

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12-15-2003, 07:29 AM

One of the most significant achievements of the entire war - from, at least, a morale standpoint

For the troops in the thick of it? Definitely. For those of us fortunate to have the luxury of being back from the frontline and able to take in the entire situation? Why the hell would it be? "Oh, I still think we rushed way too fast into this war and alienated all of our significant allies and created HUGE longterm damage in that regard...but we caught Saddam! That makes it all OK!"

We'll fuck this up, too. I can't belive people like Joe Lieberman are saying we should try and charge him here in the US. For WHAT?!? What we SHOULD do is hand him over to the international court in the Hague and let him face justice, but my money's on us tossing him to the halfassed government in Iraq and they kill him, essentially spitting in the face that every other major western government has banned capital punishment...except us. I'm sick of this pissant little scrape of a country suddenly getting priority over EVERYONE else in the world. Fuck Saddam Hussein and fuck Iraq. It brings out the bleeding hearts in conservatives, and that's just sad.

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DJEvelEd

12-15-2003, 07:30 AM

Those soldiers are gonna have great stories to tell, like "I was the one who pulled that rat from the hole", and " I'm the one who slapped the cuffs on him". Better yet, "I was the soldier who shaved Saddam".

Soldier1: "I fed him his first plate of Kus Kus"

Soldier2: "I sifted through his bellybutton lint"

Soldier3: "I checked his Colon and stole a Dingleberry"

Soldier4: "I checked his Colon too, butt I wasn't supposed to"

Soldier5: "I checked his Colon too!!"

Soldier1,2,3,4,5: "We all checked his Colon!!!Hahahaha"

Saddam: "Ohhhhh,,,,,acchhh,,,,,Ohhhhhhh"

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12-15-2003, 07:34 AM

I still say that this Adminstration would have wanted him brought in dead.

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12-15-2003, 07:39 AM

NOW I remember what this picture of Saddam

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12-15-2003, 07:41 AM

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12-15-2003, 07:55 AM

Saddam: "I'm Saddam Hussein"
"I'm the president of Iraq and I'm willing to negotiate."

Soldiers: "President Bush sends his regards,"

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12-15-2003, 08:00 AM

Saddam: "I'm Saddam Hussein"
"I'm the president of Iraq and I'm willing to negotiate."

Soldiers: "President Bush sends his regards,"

and then drops in a grenade.

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12-15-2003, 10:02 AM

FUNKMAN

12-15-2003, 10:27 AM

i always wondered if it was a little tight down there in the spider hole when he invited family and friends over for some refreshments...

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JerryTaker

12-15-2003, 10:43 AM

Question for the class: what does this do to Howard Dean & all the other candidates who've built their campaigns, in whole or in part, on an anti-war platform?

make them talk about unemployment instead? or any domestic issue, really.

Hey, I think it's great that Hussein was captured, and alive, unable to become a martyr. It's now the US's responsibility to ensure that state continues.

On the other hand, to everyone talking partisan politics in this thread, Hussein's capture means nothing to me personaly, and as long as I have to work 2 crappy jobs to make my meager ends meet, while sitting on a Bachelor's Degree, staring down humongus student loan debt, I can't vote for the encumbant. It's as simple as that.

Horray for regime change in Iraq! Now it's our turn.

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12-15-2003, 10:47 AM

Saddam's capture means there will be no comeback for him.
It will have little or no effect on those currently attacking U.S. forces in Iraq, or on the "War on Terror".

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curtoid

12-15-2003, 11:16 AM

I find it really interesting that the first people to bring up politics into this issue have been the Republicans. From my Dad, who called me early Sunday morning singing about the demise of Howard Dean, to postings on here, to the five minutes I could stomach listening to O'Reilly, the overwhelming feeling from the right is that capturing Saddam and giving a sense of closure to the Iraqi people is secondary to sticking it to "the far left."

(Christ - one moron even got away with saying on O'Reilly that "all liberals just want to bring our troops home now instead of staying the course" - meanwhile, it's been Hillary and Dean who I've seen lately saying just that, while the President wants to get us out of there before he is appointed President...again).

I have not heard one liberal or democrat bellyache about how this has hurt them or damaged them, but to view the world through the conservative eyes and you would swear that the left is throwing themselves off of buildings today.

Meanwhile, there are still several realities at play here; one, that this was supposedly about WMDs and Saddam's immenent threat to our safety in American, and another is that to many of the people fighting the US occupation in Iraq, Liberation did not mean bringing back Saddam. Still plenty for all to fight about.

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high fly

12-15-2003, 11:22 AM

It's to be expected and is fair for Bush to get a temporary boost in the polls, even though he wasn't the one to capture the guy.

Ultimately, the futility of the war is still there...

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FUNKMAN

12-15-2003, 12:02 PM

it must've been a tough decision for Saddam whether to decorate the spider hole with 'dirtwall to dirtwall' carpeting or ceramic tile...

what would you go with? i'd say the ceramic tile because of easier cleanup.

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12-15-2003, 12:24 PM

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"Don't worry Saddam, you'll make no payments until 2003!"

I feel if it wasn't for Bush Sr., Saddam wouldn't have been the menace he was towards his people.

Nevertheless, I'm glad they got the fucker. Coward down in his spider hole, which incidentally, is my new favorite word. SPIDER HOLE.

I would like to think our boys who found him would have had a little fun before they dragged him out of that spider hole. What they should have done is "accidentally" placed the latrine over that hole and let Private Fat Ass sit on there with a hot bowl of chili.

Well Sarge, it's the darndest thing, we set up camp, a latrine, and when Private Fat Ass started dumpin', we heard him screaming.

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DJEvelEd

12-15-2003, 12:30 PM

What they should have done is "accidentally" placed the latrine over that hole and let Private Fat Ass sit on there with a hot bowl of chili.

Great idea, but that freak would've laid there with his mouth open.

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12-15-2003, 01:54 PM

as long as I have to work 2 crappy jobs to make my meager ends meet, while sitting on a Bachelor's Degree, staring down humongus student loan debt, I can't vote for the encumbant. It's as simple as that.
Because before Bush, making ends meet was hunky-dory no problem. Come on.
If that's really the criteria, that means you voted for Bush in 2000, right? I mean, this isn't the 1950's anymore... getting by has been hard for a long time.

Not too mention ignoring that unemployment is going down, and all signs are pointing to a nice recovery for 2004... increased corporate spending, more jobs, etc.

 
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12-15-2003, 02:14 PM

Not too mention ignoring that unemployment is going down, and all signs are pointing to a nice recovery for 2004... increased corporate spending, more jobs, etc.

Nice little quandry we have here. Economic indicators are up. The stock market is rising. Productivity is up. GDP is up. Everything looks good.

So where are the jobs? Growth has been slow, and the last months job creation was below expectations. The average salary of the jobs created are $8,000 less than the jobs that we had lost before.

However, as I said, economic indicators are up. SOMEBODY has to be doing good. I don't want to be accused of being a commie, so I'll let you put the pieces together.

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12-15-2003, 02:52 PM

Because before Bush, making ends meet was hunky-dory no problem. Come on.
If that's really the criteria, that means you voted for Bush in 2000, right? I mean, this isn't the 1950's anymore... getting by has been hard for a long time.

Not too mention ignoring that unemployment is going down, and all signs are pointing to a nice recovery for 2004... increased corporate spending, more jobs, etc.

Yeah...that's exactly the kind of things people living on the edge want/need to hear! These are the kind of pep-talks I got from my Republican father for the 9 months I was out of work and trying to decide if I had money for laundry or dinner.

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KennethC

12-15-2003, 03:23 PM

Since the Supreme Court granted Bush the presidency, I have been laid-off three times, seen my salary reduced by half and my debts increase ten-fold. Meanwhile, the deficit has exploded. My current job in none too fulfilling, yet I'm damned grateful to have it. Comparing my situation with my friends and family, it is clear I'm the rule, rather than the exception.

I'm not such a simpleton to believe that Bush alone is responsible for my (or anyone else's) economic woes. Yet I'm troubled that in the past three years he has shown virtually no interest in the economy. I guess all his friends are still rich. His only bright idea thus far has been tax cuts. Most economists, on either side of the political spectrum, find this approach laughable. What did you do with your $300 refund check? I put mine towards paying off credit card accrued during seven months of unemployment.

I sincerely hope Bush's plan works and a recovery does come in 2004, this is the sort of crow I wouldn't mind eating.

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Reephdweller

12-15-2003, 03:37 PM

and my debts increase ten-fold

I'm sure your debt problems are all Bush's fault.

Meanwhile I worked my ass off and cleared my debt under Bush.

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12-15-2003, 03:49 PM

I'm sure your debt problems are all Bush's fault.

Meanwhile I worked my ass off and cleared my debt under Bush.

Congratulations on clearing up your debt. You're a better man than I.

Like I tried to explain in my post, I don't hold Bush responsible for my situation. There are obviously many factors. I was trying to show that many unemployed people have had to resort to going into debt in order to pay their rent, car insurance, grocery bill, etc.

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12-15-2003, 03:50 PM

Under the Bush administration, I have cleared my debt, re-financed my house at a lower rate, took out an equity loan to do major home renovations,
paid cash for every Chritmas gift I have bought, and am in the process of buying a 1963 Cadillac Sedan Deville for restoration.

Is it just me?

I also want to take out a loan to re-furbish my spider hole.

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Reephdweller

12-15-2003, 03:55 PM

Like I tried to explain in my post, I don't hold Bush responsible for my situation. There are obviously many factors. I was trying to show that many unemployed people have had to resort to going into debt in order to pay their rent, car insurance, grocery bill, etc.

I know. I wasn't trying to brag in my response. I picked that comment out because I thought you were making some good points about unemployment and other things that bother you about the job this administration is doing. But I didn't think your debt fit into that. That's all I was saying.

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12-15-2003, 04:00 PM

But I didn't think your debt fit into that. That's all I was saying.

Point taken and you're probably right about that, my buddy. However, y'all better be careful rolling out these Bush-era success stories or I might ask YOU for a loan!

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A.J.

12-15-2003, 04:24 PM

I feel if it wasn't for Bush Sr., Saddam wouldn't have been the menace he was towards his people.

Well, he was kinda bad from the start of his reign -- especially when, after he first seized power, he executed his political opponents as well as other "enemies". He had a Stalinistic paranoia about self-perceived threats.

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12-15-2003, 04:49 PM

[quote]I feel if it wasn't for Bush Sr., Saddam wouldn't have been the menace he was towards his people.

Well, he was kinda bad from the start of his reign -- especially when, after he first seized power, he executed his political opponents as well as other "enemies". He had a Stalinistic paranoia about self-perceived threats.

I'm with AJ on this one.
With or without the support of Republican presidents, Hussein would've still been just as much a bastard.
In the 80s, we overlooked his evil because we were so preoccupied with Iran.
Now we are doing the reverse with Iraq.

This has happened so many times before, where out of expediency, we have backed a bastard and in the end it always comes back to bite us on the ass.

You'd think we'd learn...

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A.J.

12-15-2003, 04:58 PM

I'm with AJ on this one.
With or without the support of Republican presidents, Hussein would've still been just as much a bastard.
In the 80s, we overlooked his evil because we were so preoccupied with Iran.
Now we are doing the reverse with Iraq.

This has happened so many times before, where out of expediency, we have backed a bastard and in the end it always comes back to bite us on the ass.

You'd think we'd learn...

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12-15-2003, 04:58 PM

We caught Saddam. Good, now lets get over this short-lived victory and look to what's really at hand: Where's the weapons of Mass Destruction that were the real reason of this war? Where's Bin Laden and what happened to the link between him and Saddam? Why is it that the Taliban is re-establishing it's grip on Afghanistan? How are we going to pay for the war?

I know these are the questions every conservative hates now a days, but they are the real issues that will matter at the end of the day. Really now, can the capture of Saddam actually decrease the attacks in Iraq? The attacks are continuing without any "commercial break". And lets be real, the attacks are a direct result of our occupation in Iraq. It's the message that the Iraqis don't want us there. We got rid of Saddam, ok, now they want us out. When the public can actually realize what we've done, Bush's goose'll be cooked.

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12-15-2003, 05:13 PM

Since the Supreme Court granted Bush the presidency, I have been laid-off three times, seen my salary reduced by half and my debts increase ten-fold. Meanwhile, the deficit has exploded

--

Under the Bush administration, I have cleared my debt, re-financed my house at a lower rate, took out an equity loan to do major home renovations, paid cash for every Chritmas gift I have bought, and am in the process of buying a 1963 Cadillac Sedan Deville for restoration.

Both your cases are telling of the economy under Bush: (these are hypothetical, since I don't know your specific cases very well)... if you were able to hold on to your job, you probably did well, since not only did you probably get ovetime pay cause other people got laid off and the work deficit had to be filled (thus, the rise in productivity numbers), but also, interest rates are way down, encouraging refinancing and consolidation of debts.

If you were laid off a few times, it's been tough, since the lack of income means more debt, and unemployment insurance hasn't been extended. Additionally, more jobs have been lost than created, so it's hard to get a new one.

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12-15-2003, 05:27 PM

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Reephdweller

12-15-2003, 06:33 PM

I don't normally watch Scarborough Country on MSNBC, but check it out right now, it's got this funny ass caption on the screen that says "INSIDE SADDAM'S HOLE".

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12-16-2003, 07:00 AM

Bearded Saddam Doll For Sale Barely 24 Hours After Capture (http://www.local6.com/news/2707604/detail.html)

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12-16-2003, 07:37 AM

AJinDC and High Fly "uniting not dividing"

Why do I feel a strange stirring in my loins, and why am I not fighting the feeling?

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12-16-2003, 10:46 AM

high fly

12-16-2003, 10:49 AM

Saddam: " I'll have you know I've been kicked out of worse spider holes than this one!"

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mikeyboy

12-16-2003, 10:53 AM

Bearded Saddam Doll For Sale Barely 24 Hours After Capture (http://www.local6.com/news/2707604/detail.html)

It looks like they slapped a beard on their old Michael Dukakis dolls.

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But, look at those guns! There must have been a weight room in that spider hole.

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high fly

12-16-2003, 11:06 AM

But look at those guns!

Easily the funniest post I've read today. Good one, Mikey!

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12-16-2003, 11:13 AM

My view, and for the record, I am neither a Repub or a Dem. I believe in a contiuum of issue-based views...

"Anyone wanna bet the Democratic candidates are pissed right now."

My Opinion:

I don't care. I also don't care if the Repubs are elated right now.

If this type of scenario occurred with Clinton or anyone else, I'd be, well done, you got that son of a bitch Stalin Wanna-Be. This guy was a living breathing monster to these people. Did you hear the weeping when his face was shown at first? This, in the long-run, may do wonders. Being treated like a monkey i heard? Looked like a medical exam/DNA swab, mouth check, scar check to me.

String him up? Shoot him? I have a better idea: give him a fair and just; and let him meet his fate.

We have done so much, many say too much in Iraq. I agree; we've done some great things, and some not so great in all of this.

The image of a disheveled Saddam being treated humanely, the look of resignation, but not of fear so much, as 'well, ya got me.' The power of these images to the Iraqi people can not be overestimated.

There are Iraqis who fully believe that this man was Superhuman. I don't mean figuratively. And if that sounds nuts I got two words: Jonathon Edward. Seeing that he is indeed a human, not a UberMensch, and that we werent savage, that we didn't drag a corpse out, that [it is being reported so far] no shots were fired. What an opportunity.

My View: We could've done this better, I mean beginning with Bush 1 and Desert Shield/Storm. This end does not justify the means. The capture of this man should be celebrated like hell, but then become a point on a timeline for real change. There is an opportunity here, to do this right.

The Big Bad USA has a rep worldwide to some as a bully sticking it's nose in. Well, we stuck it in, and took a lot of shit. Can we now show the world we're not trying to run things completely?

First: Data. Do anything humanly possible to keep him alive and get him to talk. If not him; now that he is captured, many of his already captured staff may well start singing a different tune.

Let's PROVE what a fuck this guy was. He, you don't have to convince me he's a homicidal ex-dictator, but there are a few bazillion Qs that could use some answering:

-Some accounting of the tens of thousands of deaths at his hands. Who, what, where, when, how. Closure to so many Iraqi people who have had family, sons, daughters, etc. utterly disappear.

-A full accounting of the Money, the weapons, the WMDs: were they there, what was their nature, exactly. We know what we know now. Is it indeed correct? Part of me wants him guillotined with a blade-Cam on the 50-yard line during halftime at the Super Bowl. Make it Pay-per-view, and give the money to the soldiers. And victims familes.

But if we're going to show the world that we are a superpower, but not the Bully some claim us to be; I say the trial's got to be by the people of Iraq. There may be precedent here that changes everything. I do not know of the conventions of this; are there Nuremberg type rules for this?

I say we take the high road, treat him fair, try him, punish him, whatever. But let's get some info out of this guy. I'm trying to look past this towards the next ten years. It just can't keep going on like this. We threw a TON of force at Saddam at Osama, for Good reason. But many see it as too much, or too costly.

How many times can you get a second chance at your outlook in history? Meaning to all the nay-sayers who said we celebrated early [i agree] and shouldn't topple statues [i agree] or land on carriers or serve turkey [i thought that kicked ass]; maybe Bush and the USA can show the world a Better View of the USA, and that Freedom and Democracy might not be such a bad idea, as foreign as it is to these people.

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high fly

12-16-2003, 11:29 AM

Any WMDs in that spider hole?

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sleepyeyed_Jynx

12-16-2003, 03:07 PM

Any WMDs in that spider hole?

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I believe I heard Sean Hannity report that they pulled a scud missle out of his anus.

WMDs? We'll find those when Bush stops looking like Bubbles the monkey.

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high fly

12-16-2003, 03:12 PM

[quote]Any WMDs in that spider hole?

" and they ask me why I drink"

I believe I heard Sean Hannity report that they pulled a scud missle out of his anus.

AWRIGHT! A clue!
Call the investigators, this might be the break we've been waiting for, for 9 months.

Well, shit, they've looked everywhere else...

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Se7en

12-16-2003, 03:39 PM

I have not heard one liberal or democrat bellyache about how this has hurt them or damaged them, but to view the world through the conservative eyes and you would swear that the left is throwing themselves off of buildings today.

You haven't been reading some of the Democrat party webblogs, have you.

Link, please?

...not holding my breath...

The, ahem, "Kicking Ass" webblog, which is I think part of democrats.org.

There were gems like this

Well, tha capture of Sadaam takes the 'failure to capture' issue off the table.

Now that the economy is picking up (mall was packed yesterday), Iraq is getting better, prescription drugs on the way, education spending at an all-time high, no further terrorist attacks--what is left?

Oh, yes, the capture of Bin Laden.

If that happens, we are completely sunk.

And there was some fun conspiracy theories, like

I have thought for some time now that as we near the 2004 election the bush bandits would start pulling things out of their bag of tricks to continue to dupe the American public. As we can all see on the news they finally captured a pathetic Saddam hiding in a hole in the ground. Well good for the Iraqi people. I would expect at some point they will bring Bin Ladin out too before the election everything this administration does is choreographed to the max. Am I paranoid? perhaps!

Yes, perhaps.

You will be pleased, though, because not long afterwards, your democratic / liberal brethren immediately began with the OMG SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT BIN LADEN INSTEAD~! rhetoric, and today are now 100% confident again that the American people will be able to see past this administration's "lies" and vote in a Democrat.

I wonder who they'll blame when Bush wins in 2004......I don't think they'll be able to use the "He STOLE the election!" argument again.....

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high fly

12-16-2003, 03:46 PM

The lies people are pissed off about are the ones about the imminence of the threat that Iraq posed.

Like the ones about the "reconstituted" nuke program,

Or the threat that Saddam would give WMDs to terrorists (when the only intel on the subject said he wouldn't)

Or the implication that we couldn't give the inspectors more time because Saddam would get his nuke before the summer was over

Or the implication that Saddam would hit us with a nuke

Or the one about "All the intelligence" being unequivocal about Saddam's WMDs...

Just to name a few.

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Yerdaddy

12-16-2003, 03:50 PM

Democrat party webblogs

All the liberals who have read one of these raise your hand.

I think those are put up there to keep conservatives busy and out of the way of real policy-makers.

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12-16-2003, 03:54 PM

The, ahem, "Kicking Ass" webblog, which is I think part of democrats.org.

Taking a quick look, the only blog I see is on the DNC main homepage...anyway, not to sound like another liberal conspiracy theorists, I don't believe any sentament anyone writes on any of these message boards because (quite frankly) there are people of other opinions (ahem) trolling them, looking to start trouble.

You will be pleased, though, because not long afterwards, your democratic / liberal brethren immediately began with the OMG SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT BIN LADEN INSTEAD~! rhetoric,

Why is the truth reduced as rhetoric?

and today are now 100% confident again that the American people will be able to see past this administration's "lies" and vote in a Democrat.

Would you RATHER that they sat around and said to each other "Oh pity us! I guess this is the death of us! Let's just wait around for Hillary in '08. Let's scrap this whole 'two party system' because it obviously doesn't work?"

No - there are legitimate concerns about the truthfulness of this administration, and those that choose not to see it are just as guilty as those who looked past Clinton's lies.

I wonder who they'll blame when Bush wins in 2004......I don't think they'll be able to use the "He STOLE the election!" argument again.....

Unless he does steal the election again.

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high fly

12-16-2003, 03:57 PM

[quote]
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All the liberals who have read one of these raise your hand.

(twiddles thumbs, begins whistling perky little tune, rolls eyes skyward)

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HBox

12-16-2003, 04:13 PM

Look, Bush is getting WAY TOO much credit for this. If I see one more person on TV hand Bush the election I will puke. This does NOT justify the war in ANY WAY..........yet. All this does is reinstill confidence in this administartion's ability to carry out this war, the one issue that Bush was getting blasted about. Again, another year terrorist attacks against our troops will render this capture moot.

However, if this leads to a significant reduction or complete elimination of attacks in the next few months, then this is very good for Bush. This is certainly possible. It isn't clear if Saddam was running the attacks, but he had to at least have knowledge of at least some of these cells, or documents pertaining to the cells. Today's captures proved that.

A more remote possibility is him revealing where WMDs are. I don't know why he would, and if there weren't any he couldn't possibly do that. I just hope he doesn't lead us on a wild goose chase throughout Iraq. Listening to Bush and Rumsfeld, however, I don't think they'll believe anything he has to say.

But if those two things don't happen, this is nothing but a short term victory for Bush, nothing that will carry into the election.

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high fly

12-16-2003, 04:17 PM

Speaking of Bush lies, I, uh, (straightens tie) have a nice little collection of them.

Next time you see the latest numbers on the deficit, keep this bit of rhetorical fancy in mind:

"We will not deny, we will not ignore, we will not pass along our problems to other congresses, other presidents, and other generations. We will confront them with focus and clarity and courage"

That's our Dubster!
It's from his State of the Union speech 11 months ago.

He was talking about his tax cuts running up a debt that others would have to pay.
Let's see if he "takes personal responsibility" for this one.

(edit) Hey gang, when Mojo locks up the thread, whaya say we riot?

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curtoid

12-17-2003, 03:13 AM

If Saddam actually had the WMDs, then why weren't they used to defend his country, defend his city, defesnd his sons or even to defend him?

On a different note - and giving credit to the whiney Liberals of the world - did anyone see the Washington State congressman (or was he their Senator?) who speculated that the capture of Saddam was completely motivated by politics - that we knew where he was all along and were just waiting.

While I'll agree that the timing was perfect (wipes away all the bad press about the President shunning other countries, and does seem to derail the Dean train, at least for now), not only would 100s of people had to have known about it (and those kind of secrets don't stay secret), but I still believe firmly that this administration wanted him dead...wrapped in plastic.

Hey gang, when Mojo locks up the thread, whaya say we riot?

Oh, I hope Lockjaw McMojo doesn't lock this! It hasn't strayed too far from Saddam, has it?

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A.J.

12-17-2003, 05:03 AM

If Saddam actually had the WMDs, then why weren't they used to defend his country, defend his city, defesnd his sons or even to defend him?

Because it wouldn't be prudent to use WMDs (nuclear, biological, or chemical) within your own country to repel an attack.

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12-17-2003, 05:28 AM

being there were no WMD's i hear they are going after his DVD's... they are mostly American porn

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high fly

12-17-2003, 11:50 AM

[quote]If Saddam actually had the WMDs, then why weren't they used to defend his country, defend his city, defesnd his sons or even to defend him?

Because it wouldn't be prudent to use WMDs (nuclear, biological, or chemical) within your own country to repel an attack.

And we all know what tender concern Saddam had for his people.

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A.J.

12-17-2003, 11:58 AM

And we all know what tender concern Saddam had for his people.

I wasn't talking about his people -- I meant HIM, his sons, his security forces. Use WMDs on your own soil and you run the risk of contaminating (if not destroying) a good part of your country and your assets.

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12-17-2003, 12:05 PM

I heard they found ADD and an STD.

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high fly

12-17-2003, 12:11 PM

Damn you AJ, damn you damn you damn you. That one was supposed to delay you for much longer than it did.

One thing we need to keep in mind is that U.S. intelligence was intercepting communications with Iraqi division commanders on the use of WMDs. We had the impression that they had them.

Well, they didn't. It was a bluff. They wanted us to believe they had them.

They also wanted the Iranians to think they had them. To the Iraqis, the WMDs were a force multiplier, and the threat of them was a deterrent to the Iranians and would cover for the dismal shape the Iraqi army was in.
This time last year it was poorly led, poorly trained and poorly equipped.

They saw the Iranians as a bigger threat than anyone else. Take away the threat of WMDs and Iraq is fucked as far as Iran is concerned.

Thus the dance with the inspectors and the international community.

Sound plausable?

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12-17-2003, 12:58 PM

i heard he was getting air through some PVC...

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12-17-2003, 03:58 PM

Alleged or not, I would hope that our government would be investigating this, or obtaining our own copies of this document.

I'm guessing they are, but Newsweek is also on the case: Memo in Telegraph may be a forgery (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3741646/)

Ironically, even the Iraqi National Congress of Ahmed Chalabi, which has been vocal in claiming ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam's regime, was dismissive of the new Telegraph story. "The memo is clearly nonsense," an INC spokesman told NEWSWEEK.

Contacted by Newsweek, The Sunday Telegraph's Con Coughlin acknowledged that he could not prove the authenticity of the document. He said that while he got the memo about Mohammed Atta and Baghdad from a "senior" member of the Iraqi Governing Council who insisted it was "genuine," he and his newspaper had "no way of verifying it. It's our job as journalists to air these things and see what happens," he said.

And this, my friends, is why you should never trust the British press. This guy has a retarded view of what the job of a journalist is. Let's just remember in the future that this guy thinks it's his job to raise any theory without any verification whatsoever.

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12-17-2003, 04:51 PM

All the liberals who have read one of these raise your hand.

I think those are put up there to keep conservatives busy and out of the way of real policy-makers.

Hardy har har.

Apparently, given that this blog had around 700 posts for one day, I suppose SOMEONE is paying attention to it.

And given the Dean love & Bush hate thrown around, I don't imagine it's conservatives running it.

After reading through it, though, I'm quite glad these particular liberals are more busy with the blogs than actually going out and making policy.

aking a quick look, the only blog I see is on the DNC main homepage...anyway, not to sound like another liberal conspiracy theorists, I don't believe any sentament anyone writes on any of these message boards because (quite frankly) there are people of other opinions (ahem) trolling them, looking to start trouble.

Well dude, I didn't pull this out of my ass. The blog does really exist. Google it. Hey, the Google guy is friendly to your side, it'll be there.

Yeah, there are some trolls, but trust me, the trolls don't outnumber the true believers.

Unless he does steal the election again.

Oh come now. Stop eating those sour grapes.

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