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Mike Teacher
12-12-2003, 02:08 PM
There are several threads about some particular races, but the new issue of Scientific American has an article which asks a much more General question [The Thread Title is the Issue's Cover Question] , that seemed interesting, to me at least. Some select paragraphs from a research group:

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Does Race Exist?

By Michael J. Bamshad and Steve E. Olson

If races are defined as genetically discrete groups, no. But researchers can use some genetic information to group individuals into clusters with medical relevance.

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The outward signs on which most definitions of race are based--such as skin color and hair texture--are dictated by a handful of genes. But the other genes of two people of the same "race" can be very different. Conversely, two people of different "races" can share more genetic similarity than two individuals of the same race.

The problem is hard in part because the implicit definition of what makes a person a member of a particular race differs from region to region across the globe. Someone classified as "black" in the U.S., for instance, might be considered "white" in Brazil and "colored" (a category distinguished from both "black" and "white") in South Africa.

Nevertheless, scientists can use genetics to sort most large populations according to their ancestral geographic origin. This approach does not work as well for populations resulting from recent mixing with other groups, however.

Data are now providing answers to several highly emotional and contentious questions: Can genetic information be used to distinguish human groups having a common heritage and to assign individuals to particular ones? Do such groups correspond well to predefined descriptions now widely used to specify race? And, more practically, does dividing people by familiar racial definitions or by genetic similarities say anything useful about how members of those groups experience disease or respond to drug treatment?

In general, we would answer the first question yes, the second no, and offer a qualified yes to the third. Our answers rest on several generalizations about race and genetics. Some groups do differ genetically from others, but how groups are divided depends on which genes are examined; simplistically put, you might fit into one group based on your skin-color genes but another based on a different characteristic. Many studies have demonstrated that roughly 90 percent of human genetic variation occurs within a population living on a given continent, whereas about 10 percent of the variation distinguishes continental populations. In other words, individuals from different populations are, on average, just slightly more different from one another than are individuals from the same population.

--------------------------------------Full Article Here (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00055DC8-3BAA-1FA8-BBAA83414B7F0000)


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This message was edited by Mike Teacher on 12-12-03 @ 6:12 PM

DarkHippie
12-12-2003, 03:58 PM
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12-12-2003, 04:27 PM
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sr71blackbird
12-12-2003, 05:04 PM
I stand by my science that there is ONE race. All ethnic variants are modifications of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, or modern man. Everyone that exists on the planet is of the same race. Whatever people "feel" is race is really Ethnic diversity. I look at it like there are many "breeds" of dog, from Rottweiller to Cocker Spaniel, from Chiuaua to Saint Bernard, they are ALL Canis familiaris. They can all mate and produce offspring because they are the same "race". Also, while it may be true that there was some interbreeding between Homo Neanderthalis and Homo Sapien, 2 different species of Man, it doesnt mean that those differences between those 2 species where so incapatible that they couldnt reproduce offspring. We were genetically similar enough. Same as a wolf could mate with a dog, even though its a different species.

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TheMojoPin
12-12-2003, 05:06 PM
We're all pink on the inside.

I know, because your mothers showed me so.

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carcass
12-12-2003, 06:37 PM
DOES TIME EXIST?....DOES LOVE EXIST?

PROVE IT

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wont admit defeat
thou his clothes are soiled and black
he's a big strong man , w/ a childs mind
dont you take his booze away

high fly
12-13-2003, 08:03 AM
Am I me?

" and they ask me why I drink"

DarkHippie
12-13-2003, 08:13 AM
We're all pink on the inside.

God for-fucking-bid
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high fly
12-13-2003, 12:09 PM
[quote]We're all pink on the inside.




We all put our pants on the same way, one leg at a time....

" and they ask me why I drink"

sr71blackbird
12-13-2003, 02:41 PM
Id like to be inside Pink for a little while.

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DJEvelEd
12-13-2003, 03:02 PM
We're all pink on the inside.

I know,

I pictured you spread eagled with a flashlight in front of a mirror BEFORE you ever wrote that.











It's more like a "dirty brown" than pink.

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