Best Of: Dark Comedies

[Steels]

Top 5 Dark Comedies, in order.

1.) Boogie Nights
2.) American Psycho
3.) The King of Comedy
4.) Fargo
5.) Hurly-Burly

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[SuperClerk]

I find it very strange that you can put The King of Comedy and American Psycho on that list together. I would not call American Psycho a dark comedy at all. It was funny in a sick kind of way. But I would hardly refer to it as a comedy.

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[SuperClerk]

And you have to add "Very Bad Things" to that list.

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[Steels]

I find it very strange that you can put The King of Comedy and American Psycho on that list together. I would not call American Psycho a dark comedy at all. It was funny in a sick kind of way. But I would hardly refer to it as a comedy.


You couldn't be more wrong because these two movies are quintessential "Dark" comedies. I'm not trying to be condescending but it's obvious you haven't a clue regarding this topic.



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[Steels]

It was funny in a sick kind of way.


Yes, a dark comedy.

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[SuperClerk]

American Psycho contained graphic scenes of murder and violence. King of Comedy did not.

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[Steels]

But I would hardly refer to it as a comedy.

That said, you would categorize my other selections as straight comedies?

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[Steels]

American Psycho contained graphic scenes of murder and violence. King of Comedy did not.


Yes, you are not helping your cause. After reading your posts I would actually love to hear your top 5.

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[SuperClerk]

I'm not saying that any of those are straight comedies. But, obviously, dark comedies cover an extremely broad area. Everywhere I see American Psycho, it is referred to as a horror film. I would even withdraw my suggesstion of putting "Very Bad Things" in the same sentence as "King of Comedy. But Very Bad Things is more of a "comedy" than American Psycho.

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[Steels]

Everywhere I see American Psycho, it is referred to as a horror film.

I'd like to take this time to thank my parents for providing me with an adequate brain.

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[SuperClerk]

Well, there's no need for sarcasm.

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OK. You win.

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[curtoid]

In no particular order...

Igby Goes Down
Eating Raoul
Sunset Blvd.
Psycho (Hitchcock)
Fargo
Dr. Strangelove
Arsenic and Old Lace
Pulp Fiction

[KOP]

[silera]

I'd add Very Bad Things, plus The Cable Guy.

Never seen Hurly Burly or The King of Comedy. I'd agree with Fargo and American Psycho, but Boogie Nights wouldn't be at the top for me, probably closer to the bottom of the top ten.



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i'd like to add:
heathers
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a clockwork orange
american beauty
to die for

i never really thought of "boogie nights" as a dark comedy, although i guess i could see it...


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[KennethC]

After Hours
Harold and Maude
Grosse Point Blank
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Prizzi's Honor
Buffalo 66
Chuck and Buck
Lolita (Kubrick version)

One movie that I found funny, yet skeeved me out to the point that I hesitate to put on the list was Todd Solondz's Happiness.

On an unrelated note. With a topic title like "Best Of: Dark Comedies," How long will it be until some ersatz comedian dons his clever trousers and plays the race card by posting something like B.A.P.S.?

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Pandamonium
Blood Diner
Who Slew Auntie Rue
Welcome To The DollHouse
People Uner The Stairs


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Barbershop


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Good one Fman. Anyway, when I think dark comedy, one jumps right out at me: The War of The Roses
if you havent seen it, do yourself a favor, see it with your significant other, youll be arguing for days about who was right, Michael Douglas or Kathleen Turner. Very funny and very dark.

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[curtoid]

Man...some good selections. I can't believe I forgot:

Harold and Maude
Heathers
Election

I also thought of putting Happiness, Welcome to the Dollhouse and Clockwork Orange, but I wussed out.

Two more I forgot, that seem oddly familair:

Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
Polyester

Although, Desperate Living is still my favorite of the early John Waters films.

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[TheMojoPin]

The fact this thing has gotten to a second page and nobody's mentioned "Fight Club" just goes to show that way, WAY too many people took that film seriously.

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Very Bad Things

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[curtoid]

The fact this thing has gotten to a second page and nobody's mentioned "Fight Club" just goes to show that way, WAY too many people took that film seriously.

Or that there are other black comedies people liked more, or that they didn't think about it - once again, I forgot one ("Being John Malkovich") that I should have put on - I have the friggin one sheet hanging in my office.

I was going to put "Fight Club" down, and just couldn't commit to it - I loved it at the time I saw it (and I did find it funny), but for me the surprise was the movie and (just like "Sixth Sense," "Angel Heart," "Jacob's Ladder," "Se7en," or any Oliver Stone film) seeing it once was enough.

[KOP]

[KennethC]

The fact this thing has gotten to a second page and nobody's mentioned "Fight Club" just goes to show that way, WAY too many people took that film seriously.


Yeah, I thought of that one instantly and just assumed that someone else had already included, so I didn't put it down. The scene where Tyler Durden is working as the pee-shy busboy had me on the floor. The first hour of that movie is hysterical.

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"Raising Arizona".

For God's sake, it deals with kidnapping a baby! In the real world - that is one of the most horrific things you can do!

That being said, I love this movie. And I'm a father!


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Anything with Jackie Earl Haley gives me the creeps.



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American Beauty

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Anything with Jackie Earl Haley gives me the creeps.


I thought he was cute in that <i>Jerry MaGuire</i> movie.

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I thought he was cute in that Jerry MaGuire movie.


To respond, I present my homage to East Side Dave and his posts from the "I Love Ron and Fez" thread.

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Judas H. Priest and a bucket full of yeast, I'm talking about Jackie Earl Haley!!! Not the cute kid from Jerry Maguire! Be serious!, that was Jonathan Lipnicki! He's not creepy, he's adorable! Jackie Earl Haley played Kelly Leak! And Moocher in Breaking Away! He also played a high school bully on the TV series "Whiz Kids", even though he was obviously in his late twenties! I shudder to think of Jackie Earl Haley pulling up on his miniature Harley, wearing those mirrored aviator shades! The thought of touching that greasy, stringy excuse for a head of hair gives me a bumpercrop of heebie jeebies!

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Anything with Jackie Earl Haley gives me the creeps.

However, anything with Kim Richards makes me all tingly.

Jackie Earle Haley ruined "Escape to Witch Mountain".


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[high fly]

Ya gotta admit, Haley was great in The Wizard of Oz.

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John Carpenter Movies, in no particular order:

The Fog
They Live
The Thing
Escape From LA
Halloween

He makes Horror funny. Sadly, sometimes not intentionally...

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[KennethC]

However, anything with Kim Richards makes me all tingly.


You must have been a big "Hello Larry" fan. The only sitcom ever to have been based in my hometown.



Jackie Earle Haley ruined "Escape to Witch Mountain".


By not being in it?

I see you spell Earle with an "e" at the end. I deliberately leave it off, for I believe the "e" stands for excellence, which he does not personify. Steve Earle, on the other hand, is fantastic.



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wow, nice one steels. i haven't seen that film in years.

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Happiness is definatly a dark comedy ! I love it, hey theres blood in my B.M.!!

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the city of lost children was pretty twisted. and i don't remember the relationship, but wasn't there a film delicatessen (sp?) by/ with the same people?

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[TheMojoPin]

but for me the surprise was the movie and (just like "Sixth Sense," "Angel Heart," "Jacob's Ladder," "Se7en," or any Oliver Stone film) seeing it once was enough.

I went into it already knowing the twist from the book, so I just enjoyed it for the film itself, and the brilliant comedy it is. Same with "Se7en", except that it's only slightly less hilarious.

"Any Oliver Stone film?" There are "twists" to "JFK", "Nixon", "Any Given Sunday", "Platoon", and "Born on The 4th of July"?

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[curtoid]

"Any Oliver Stone film?" There are "twists" to "JFK", "Nixon", "Any Given Sunday", "Platoon", and "Born on The 4th of July"?

Sorry - I wasn't clear.

Those were all movies that I liked, but I only needed to see once, and that was that. Most movies with twists (but not all - I have been able to watch THE OTHERS and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK more than once!), and Oliver Stone's.

[KOP]

[curtoid]

People Eating People = Good Black Comedy

* Eating Raoul, Parents, Motel Hell, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Desperate Living and this great one...

The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover


In college I worked at a movie theatre that had two screens - my first week there, on screen number 1 was this movie (which was officially rated NC-17), and "The Adventures of Milo and Otis," which of course was "G." I seriously felt I was in Satan's own cinemateque.



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Man, I'm not sure what a Dark Comedy is now after reading people's lists here.

But I vote for:

(in no special order)

Dr. Strangelove
The Cable Guy
Pulp Fiction
Very Bad Things
Vulgar (Kevin Smith releated movie)
Welcome to the Dollhouse
Harold and Maude
Brazil

There's more I'm not thinking of right now(didn't limit my self to 5, just pick you 5 favs in my list and that's my top 5 list)...

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Jason X

The most I've ever laughed in my life. The part where he is beating the two girls against each other in the sleeping bags had me crying.

Never in my life did I think I wouldsee a movie set in space and someone would say the words "JASON FUCKING VOOHIES, THAT'S WHO!". I practically had a seisure.

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[Steels]

I think the majority of people aren't very clear on what a "Dark" comedy really is.



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[TheMojoPin]

No, not at all.

JUST BECAUSE A MOVIE IS BAD AND YOU LAUGHED AT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A "DARK COMEDY."

Dicks.

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[cozmokramer]

Almost anything by David Lynch.

by the way, to me maybe the most funny/uncomfortable scenes in a movie is definetly when the bad girl wants to see the main girl (forgot her name) take a shit in the school bathroom in 'Welcome to the Dollhouse'. What a funny movie

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[Contra]

JUST BECAUSE A MOVIE IS BAD AND YOU LAUGHED AT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A "DARK COMEDY."


Jason X was set in space, I'd say it's pretty friggin dark in space.

You can't tell me seriously that it wasn't meant to be a comedy. You can't honestly tell me that when they pitched this movie that they were presenting it as "serious" horror. I think it was genius! The one liners, the horror cliche's, it was a great spoof! I just think a lot of people didn't get the joke.

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[TheMojoPin]

You called it yourself...it was a "spoof", not a dark comedy. A spoof you don't take seriously at all...a dark comedy is a comedy you DO take seriously at points.

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[Mike Teacher]

I'd say, for Steels arguement as to what makes a black comedy, I think some people believe that the movie either Must be a comedy to be classified, or Not be a comedy [as to its natural intent];

like, Mommy Dearest. Now did they intend to have the over-the-top scenes be funny? Not too sure. Or put it this way; once you've been through the No Wire Hangers or 'Tina, get me the Axe!...' scenes, it seems to me that Every tiny quirk was meant as a laugh, and now I see the entire movie as a laugh-fest from beginning to end.

OK; beter example. You folks mention Kubrick often, and rightly so. He puts some amazingly hilarious stuff in his films, including, of all films, 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Now I have a book about the film with about 30 pages of reviews at the time, and fan mail to Kubrick at the time. The People loved it, or Hated it. Perhaps never has a movie been simultaneously on so many 'best' and 'worst' lists.

But! Kubrick has:

-A man on a space ship staring at a sign that says something like "Zero Gravity Toilet: Read All Directions before use." And its like 13 paragraphs of techo-babble!

-A scene where one of the ape-men, after a fight, turns, looks Directly into the camera, and gives a 'get the fuck away' yell. I can't see this being accidental.

-Hal. The HAL-9000 computer has just murdered the entire crew, except Dave Bowman [Keir Dullea], when Dullea goes after Hal, his respone: "I think you may be taking things a bit too seriously. Perhaps you should take a Stress Pill and lie down." or something. Oh man, if that's not dark...

-Some note 2001 can be described as watching people eat for 3 hours. Think about it; Everyone is doing nothing but eating!

-Proto-Humans = eating.
-Guy going to moon = eating.
-Pilots and Stewardesses on same ship = eating.
-Guys on moon going to see Monolith = eating.
-Bowman and Polle on Discovery = eating
-Bowman as old man in the 'Beyond the Infinite Scene' = eating.

And why, if Kubrick was the visionary that he was, makes a movie about the year 2001 where only really White bland vanilla people exist, and women are still nothing but stewardesses?


Ditto with Hitchcock. Tough to watch a lot without thinking, 'was that meant as a joke'? I mean besides the obvious ones.

I guess what I'm saying is that some films 'evolve' into dark comedies, as opposed to, say, the Royal Tennembaum's.


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[TheMojoPin]

Mike, you just brought up "cult flicks" and "in-jokes".

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The Good Girl - pretty good movie

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I can't believe that no one has mentioned "Death to Smoochy". That movie was hilarious and twisted.

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[curtoid]

Ditto with Hitchcock. Tough to watch a lot without thinking, 'was that meant as a joke'? I mean besides the obvious ones.

Hitch always viewed PSYCHO as a perverse comedy. He thought it was the funniest thing he did.

Ditto for much of Billy Wilder's stuff - while I always loved SUNSET BLVD. I never understood until I saw it in the theatre with an audience that it was suppose to be a dark comedy - I mean, it's a movie narrated by a dead guy, and when he meets Nora Desmond, she's buring her pet monkey?! It is a riot when seen with others.

Love that movie - love both those movies.

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I can't believe that no one has mentioned "Death to Smoochy".

If only it stayed that way.

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Dont be a menace to south central while drinkin your juice in the hood wasnt a bad dark comedy




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[Contra]

Yeah Death To Smoochy is great.

I just recently saw Secretary with Maggie Gyellenhal(sp) and thought it was also very good.

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Death to Smoochy is by far the most underrated film ever

I'm seeing Very Bad Things mentioned a few times. It was definitely black, but really lacking in the comedy department. I found it to be just plain depressing. Christian Slater's best dark comedy is Heathers. Now THAT is what black comedy is all about.

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[TheMojoPin]

What am I missing with "Death To Smoochy"?

I've watched it twice to try and figure out what I was missing and it just seemed worse each time. Robin Williams at his most annoying and probably the worst waste of an actor as good as Edward Norton EVER. Just because people say "fuck" around children doesn't mean we're watching a "dark comedy."


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[Steels]

I'm not a fan but another two good examples of "Dark" comedies are:

"I Love You to Death"

&

"Serial Mom"

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Come on! The cookie bag? Vincent Schiavelli? The ice show? You're the only person I know who saw Death to Smocchy and didn't laugh their ass off.

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[MizzleTizzle]

requiem for a dream


Don't know why this film affects me so, but just absolutely, stunningly, disgustingly, briutally, amazing. As disturbing, for me, as the opening sequence to Saving Private Ryan. I compare it to that, because I had the same feeling of emotional draining after each.

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[Contra]

Just because people say "fuck" around children doesn't mean we're watching a "dark comedy."


You are right about that.

I think that everyone is refering to the murder, deception, downward spiral of Robin Williams' character...

You know, the little things

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[Borne Too Loose]

I'd replace "The King of Comedy" with "Very Bad Things." No pissing on De Niro, i just think "King" just wasn't slightly humorous enough to take away the sadness egde.

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