Overated muscian/band?

[keithy_19]

What band do you think is overated.

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dave matthews band
trapt (they seem to be the biggest thing right now for some reason)

The Grateful Dead
Nirvanagood calls.


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Nirvana
The Beatals as solo artists


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Coldplay
The Strokes
Eminem
U2
The Eagles
Sting
Jay-Z

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Greatful Dead
Phish
Dave Matthews Band

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U2



You're a moron. Why don't you say the Beatles and Rolling Stones too.

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Coldplay



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How could I forget?

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[mikeyboy]

You're a moron. Why don't you say the Beatles and Rolling Stones too.


Cut the crap. This is a thread where people post their opinions. There is absolutely no reason to run down somebody else's opinions and/or musical tastes or to insult.

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AJ,
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[SlowDust]

I didn't say the Beatles and Rolling Stones because I don't consider them overrated.

Which I thought was how this discussion worked.

Sorry if you can't handle the fact that we don't have the same opinions.

(by the way, I didn't say they sucked or anything - I just think they're overrated)

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Phish
Kid Rock
Dave Mathews
Green Day
Dave Mathews Band
Blink
Linkin Park
The Offspring
Staind
Metallica

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[Mike Teacher]

Sorry if you can't handle the fact that we don't have the same opinions.


Well said; whether I agree or disagree!

As to U2; there was a time that they were arguably the greatest band in the world. Hey tough to argue, but feel free to!

And there is a case where they are now, quite over-rated.

The folks mentioning Aerosmith might remember the day when they were the GnR of the day; meaning when GnR were the real deal; a bunch of guys playing Rock that Melted Inner Ear Hairs at 300 Yards, and didn't ACT like bad boys, they WERE, they sucked mountians of blow and got so bad even They admit how badly they sucked near the end of Aerosmith 1. Aerosmith 2; the sober Aerosmith, for me, started with promise, but has become a power ballad machine.

Ditto with the Chili Peppers. Under The Bridge? Give It Away? To me this newer stuff is almost a Parody of the HeavyFunkMetal Beast that put out Uplift Mofo Party Plan and Mother's Milk.

So perhaps some, like me, look at the band Was and what they have become.

And let's remember, for some bands, KISS I believe being a great example; Gene and Paul's plan, all along, was the become over-rated! Meaning; they knew they did Anything and Everything to build a larger then life image, and yes they are over-rated, and simultaneously they have record sales and Platinum Albums of Beatles/Stones type proportions.

I loved KISS. I mean lived and breathed them. And now Gene is a joke; maybe he always was. fooled me! But they gave a concert that is simply something you can not talk about or dis if you havent seen it; I mean a full blown gene/paul/peter/ace show. Holy shit what a monster.

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Pink Floyd.
Led Zeppelin.
Aerosmith.
The Byrds.
The Eagles.
Lynryd Skynryd.
The Allman Brothers.

(I actually like the next two bands very much, but found them not nearly living up to all the hype people had thrown at me about them)
Echo & The Bunnymen.
Sex Pistols.

The Beatals as solo artists

Who the hell was "OVERrating" that stuff?

And are we talking overrated in terms of how many albums they shift or CRITICAL overratings? Because if it's the latter, it's pretty redundant to put on acts like Kid Rock or Linkin Park or Creed in the first place.

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The Doors
Led Zeppelin

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[TheMojoPin]

BEL BIV DEVOE 4 EVA!!!

Jesus, I can't believe I forgot the Doors, THE most overrated band EVER.

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U2
Pink Floyd
Yes
RadioHead
Rolling Stones

I like them all a lot but they don't live up to the hype I heard about them before I listened.

Metallica and Van Halen were Overrated, but their current ratings match their later work.

The Beatles have lived up to the massive hype. I love that band and the music they have created,

Beatallica is what I hope Metallica starts doing, that would be cool. Metallica does well when they do covers (I wish that MTV Award show meldley they did lasted longer, that 2 mins was better than there new album. They did Beat It, a White Stipes song, Kravitz's Are you going my way and someother song, but it was too short!)

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The folks mentioning Aerosmith might remember the day when they were the GnR of the day; meaning when GnR were the real deal; a bunch of guys playing Rock that Melted Inner Ear Hairs at 300 Yards, and didn't ACT like bad boys, they WERE, they sucked mountians of blow and got so bad even They admit how badly they sucked near the end of Aerosmith 1. Aerosmith 2; the sober Aerosmith, for me, started with promise, but has become a power ballad machine.

Mike, the reason I mention Aerosmith is that they have earned this "legendary" status and I don't know why. They didn't do anything that The Stones and Zeppelin didn't do before them. This, of course, is just my opinion.

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This, of course, is just my opinion.


I concur.

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[TheMojoPin]

Are Rush and Journey actually considered good?

Because they're not.

And Bon Jovi is WAY too famous for a band that terrible.

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[curtoid]

Are Rush and Journey actually considered good?

Rush and Journey are very, very different - Rush was actually considered "good" once upon a time. This of course is my opinion, which of course I would concure, but that would be redundant.

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Yes

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Ten Years after

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Rush

Peter Frampton

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Rod Stewart (solo- his Faces stuff was good)

Bad Company

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[Arienette]

for fear of mikey's wrath, and that fear alone, i'll restrain myself from commenting on the radiohead mentions. grrr..

Sex Pistols.oh, come on, mojo. you know that the sex pistols were exactly what they were supposed to be. they weren't talented. it really was a heist. i don't think anyone takes them to be anything that they're not.


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[serVice]

you know that the sex pistols were exactly what they were supposed to be. they weren't talented. it really was a heist. i don't think anyone takes them to be anything that they're not.

Maybe, but time and time again i hear them mentioned as being the innovators of punk music, when all they really were were the Monkees without a TV show.

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for fear of mikey's wrath, and that fear alone, i'll restrain myself from commenting on the radiohead mentions. grrr..


Hey.... Mojo locks stuff, too.

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[keithy_19]

Wait. How are the clash overated? They were a great band that perfected punk. They had many different musical styles in their songs. Talents band they were. Overated they were not.

And who overrates them?

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Wait. How are the clash overated?

They are rated/viewed very highly by music critics/fans. He doesn't think they are worth the hype. Hence, overrated. It's all an opinion. Maybe he thinks the Clash are good, just not as GREAT as all the hooplah says.

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That girl IS poison! She is! She fucking is!



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[Arienette]

Hey.... Mojo locks stuff, too.nah, it's not a locking thing. i was just heeding the "respect other people's opinions" warning earlier in the thread.

even though they're wrong.

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Someayall's need to bacdafucup with this stuff...

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I vote Liz Phair. I like her music, own a couple of cds (old ones) but I don't get her as Alterna-Rock Goddess. I'm not sure if she's that special.

[Arienette]

I vote Liz Phair. I like her music, own a couple of cds (old ones) but I don't get her as Alterna-Rock Goddess and now she's being marketed as some kind of pop princess... it would be interesting for the z100 crowd to learn that she's a slightly over the hill, self-proclaimed blow job queen.

i like her old stuff, but i don't think she was ever that amazing. she was just really raw and saying things that others werent.

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[mikeyboy]

On the other hand, I think, in some respects that Liz Phair's lustre has faded, due to her less than prolific output, the fact the her first record was her best, and her recent naked bid for commercial acceptance. If anything, I might characterize her as underrated because I still think "Exile in Guyville" is a great album.

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[Heavy]

There is absolutely no reason to run down somebody else's opinions and/or musical tastes or to insult.

Even if they suck and are wrong?
If its someones opinion that Derek Jeter isnt a good baseball player, they would be wrong. He has proven to be a good baseball player. People that dont think he is are wrong. You may not like him, but that doesnt matter

Now when people say that Pnik Floyd for example, are overated, they are wrong. They are considered to be one of the best bands in history, and thats what they are. Their record sales indicate that. You can form an opinion on this and be wrong. If somebody says "Johnnewadd, in your opinion, who has posted the most on ronfez.net?" and I answer with "Mikeyboy", my opinion would be wrong.

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Even if they suck and are wrong?


Yes, even if they suck and are wrong. You're confusing things that can be easily quantified and things that are judged subjectively. Quality and influence of music cannot be easily quantified, so if you make statements about whether a band is good, bad, or overrated, you cannot be definiteively "right".

So -- I stand by my prior statement. Don't insult or run down others taste or opinions on music.

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Their record sales indicate that.


Creed sells lots of records, and they still suck. What's your point?

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Linkin Park was the biggest seller of the year when they first came out, and they CLEARLY suck to the high heavens. Numbers don't mean bupkis.

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[Heavy]

You're confusing things that can be easily quantified and things that are judged subjectively

Record sales are subjective? If a certian record is in the top 5 selling of all time, that mean that the majority of music fans ALIVE liked it enough to buy it. How can you possibly say its overated in that situation?

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Record sales are subjective?


Who said that record sales are subjective? We're talking quality of artist/band, influence etc. What are you missing exactly?

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Radiohead sucks.

Coldplay sucks.

Pretty much all the shit you hear on Rock stations today and most of it since the 90's sucks. ]

Green Day sucked, or sucks. 311 and Blink 182 suck.

No Doubt sucks now that they over produce their music and use too much electronic crap.

Nirvana would be another band that faded into the background if the dickweed singer hadn't blown his fool head off. Thousands of people who never bothered to VOTE turn out to mourn the passing of some unwashed guy. Very telling.

Dio sucks.

The Darkness sucks THE LARGEST SET OF BALLS AROUND. IS that MUSIC?!?!

The White Stripes suck. The Strokes, and all those other bratty British bands suck that came out a few months ago. Feh.

2Pac is a thug, and needs to be forgotten.

Eminen is an angry little pimple on the ass of entertainment. Someone pop him please.

Puff Daddy must pay. That's right, I called him Puff cause I know he dones't like it.

J. Lo can't sing.

Neiter can Brittany Spears.

Lil' Kim is famous for her crudeness and large, fake rack. That's a tallent.

I'm tired of listing assholes. This is all you get for now.



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Even if they suck and are wrong?
If its someones opinion that Derek Jeter isnt a good baseball player, they would be wrong. He has proven to be a good baseball player. People that dont think he is are wrong. You may not like him, but that doesnt matter



His numbers have gone down every year since 99...and i can think of at least 5(five) shortstops id take over him...

About record sales, Garth Brooks has sold more records than anybody, and with the exception of maybe two songs, i think all of his stuff sucks...that doesn't make me wrong..how can anyone's opinion be wrong?

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[Heavy]

The thing I'm missing is how you can say something that 10 million people liked enough to buy can be "overated". To do this, I guess you would have to find every review or "rating" on a band and then compare it to where the record sales place it as far as head-to-head with other bands go. Example: The majority of reviews for "Body Count" say that it is the best band ever. Obviously they oveated it seeing as how their record sales do not indicate people liking them more then any other band.

Underated bands are different, and i'll explain to you why. Some music might be great but is not ever going to make in into a mainstream audience because of social issues. Thats for a different thread

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The White Stripes suck. The Strokes, and all those other bratty British bands suck that came out a few months ago. Feh.


I hate to break up the rant, but I thought I'd clarify -- the White Stripes are from Detroit and the Strokes are from New York.

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Dio sucks.


In all fairness though, Dio has rocked for a long, long time....

I guess now its time for him to pass the torch...

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[mikeyboy]

I'm too tired to have this argument johnee. You're either trolling for an argument or are just completely unwilling to concede that "overrated" is a subjective determination. In either case, I'm not going to change your mind no matter what I say.

I'll end this post by stating that the Starland Vocal Band sold a fuckload of copies of "Afternoon Delight" in the 70s. All-time greats? You decide.

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NOW HOLD UP ONE SECOND TELEMUNDO!

His numbers have gone down every year since 99...and i can think of at least 5(five) shortstops id take over him...


You can take whoever you want, but hes not overated. He is consdered to be one of the most clutch players in baseball, and he is. Why wouldnt the Yankees get A-Rod if this wasnt the case? WHy doesnt one Yankees fan complain about not getting A-Rod? Because we know Jeter is more valueable to us.

Garth Brooks has sold more records than anybody, and with the exception of maybe two songs, i think all of his stuff sucks...that doesn't make me wrong

No, he does suck. But hes not overated. This thread doesnt ask "In your opinion, who sucks" It asks whos overated

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[TheMojoPin]

And Garth Brooks is overrated. He always ends up on those "best country..."-whatever lists. He sells buckets of albums, but clearly there's better country out there. He's outsold Johnny Cash at least 10-1, yet you wouldn't say he's actually better than Johnny Cash, would you?

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you wouldn't say he's actually better than Johnny Cash, would you?


I wouldn't.

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In some respects, you HAVE to sell a lot of records to be considered overrated. Meaning people got duped and bought into the hype of a band enough to listen to them.

Record sales have nothing to do with whether it's good music, I just think you're totally going in the wrong direction.

Just had to explain my thoughts so there you go.
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[Heavy]

yet you wouldn't say he's actually better than Johnny Cash, would you?

No, and its a shame that not what this thread is about!! I agree with yall but to say Gath is overated is BS. He is rated whats hes rated because of the numbers he puts up.

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Creed sells lots of records, and they still suck. What's your point?

I'd have called the fight a TKO right there. Wadd, look up the definition of opinion and tell me if it says it only applies to your's? You're acting like you're still in your terrible twos. That goes for just about every thread. What the fuck? Just my opinion.

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I'm too tired to have this argument johnee. You're either trolling for an argument or are just completely unwilling to concede that "overrated" is a subjective determination.


An argument? Not MY Johnee!

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[Heavy]

Its alright MOE, theyre clearly ganging up on me to hold me back. Creed does suck though.

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Yea! You all lay off Johnee! Only I am allowed to call him the asshole he is!

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What better way to prove youre right then to silence the opposition?

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I already told you. I'm too tired to have such a retarded argument. If you take that as a win, then congratulations. You must really need those small victories.


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You can take whoever you want, but hes not overated. He is consdered to be one of the most clutch players in baseball, and he is. Why wouldnt the Yankees get A-Rod if this wasnt the case?


Because A-Rod makes 25 mill a year and they can't afford him...The Sox are only going to get him if they can get Texas to take Manny and some of his salary and pay most of what A-Rod has left and find someone to take Nomar..

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So this is said...

In some respects, you HAVE to sell a lot of records to be considered overrated. Meaning people got duped and bought into the hype of a band enough to listen to them.

...but then this is said...

The Hives

The Hives last album barely went gold (500,000), which is considered piddling in these days of mass-consumption. So numbers clearly are not a required factor in being overrated.

And yes, you're right, the Hives are VERY overrated.

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[Heavy]

Because A-Rod makes 25 mill a year and they can't afford him...The Sox are only going to get him if they can get Texas to take Manny and some of his salary and pay most of what A-Rod has left and find someone to take Nomar..

I know that, but it still means nothing towards Jeter being overated

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[Arienette]

If a certian record is in the top 5 selling of all time, that mean that the majority of music fans ALIVE liked it enough to buy it. How can you possibly say its overated in that situation?i think joshg was on the right track... while mojo's right and it's not necessary that you have very high record sales in order to be overrated, it certainly helps. it's a harder argument to say that a band who barely sold any records is overrated, although it certainly can be done (critical acclaim, word of mouth, etc). but, if a band is able to sell a bajillion records, and you feel that they suck (subjectve), it's very easy for you to argue that they're overrated (also subjective).

and when did johnee and moe start fucking?

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[high fly]

Sex Pistols



All they really were were the Monkees without the t.v. show

Wrong. Had you been around at the time, you would have a different opinion.
Never Mind the Bollocks still holds up as a very strong elpee.
While what they did was not new (basically they tried to be the British Stooges), they helped usher in a whole new, refreshing movement in music.



Wait. How were the Clash overrated?

The Clash were also an important factor in the growth of punk.
Listening to their music, a high percentage of their songs just aren't that good. Most of them were written and recorded very quickly and sound that way.


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[YoungJersey]

LIMP BIZKIT SUX ASS!!! Durst is no more than over paid hype man

[JohnnyCash]

Are Rush and Journey actually considered good?




They both suck! Alot.

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LIMP BIZKIT SUX ASS!!! Durst is no more than over paid hype man


True, but at this point, I don't think anyone rates Fred & Co. very highly, hence not overrated.

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Sex Pistols








All they really were were the Monkees without the t.v. show




Wrong. Had you been around at the time, you would have a different opinion.
Never Mind the Bollocks still holds up as a very strong elpee.


While "nevermind the bullocks" might be a cute album to listen to sometimes, it still doesn't excuse the fact that they were brought together as just a commercial for a clothing store in england. They're not a real band, they were an advertisement.

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[fluffernutter]

Is their actual opinions here on what is/isn't overrated or just who likes what? I mean there are many bands/musicians that I loathe but they are held in a high esteem. I just don't like them. There are bands that are extremely overrated that I love.

Like when Mojo (no offense) pointed out Echo & The Bunnymen that was a brilliant statement and I can buy it because I know (I think) that Mojo's tastes equate those of the same genre and he is a listener of music.

Can an opinion on overrating be done without bias?

Like in Moe's (no offense either) post I know he listens to a lot of death and darker metal. A lot of the stuff listed I didn't even think he would like. Is there any bands in the death metal genre overrated?

Just from reading Metal Maniacs and the like I see bands like Opeth and Dimmu Borgir being held in such high esteems. I know for the longest time Pantera was rated really high but thet was after they peaked. Metallica is in the same boat.

Most times after a band blows their wad and have 3 albums in the can, only then are they overrated and then everything and the kitchen sink is expected from them. If anything I would say that overrating is a killer because so many bands choke after they are held so high.

Like Radiohead I think is being overrated later on in their career as opposed to when they only had two albums out.

I think the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club is an amazingly talented group but I can't get into them. I don't hate them or anything, I just don't get it. I got the albums after getting rid of them once and giving them another shot due to the high praise and they just blend in with my collection. Hell, even after seeing them live, the albums just didn't do it for me.

I am totally behind the Sex Pistols being overrated and yes, they could have used a tv show. I thought they were extremely overrated and were just doing what US bands has already accomplished. See: Detroit, Late 1960's.

Hopefully I did not offend.

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Another Bad Creation was WAY underrated!






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[Death Metal Moe]

Like in Moe's (no offense either) post I know he listens to a lot of death and darker metal. A lot of the stuff listed I didn't even think he would like. Is there any bands in the death metal genre overrated?


Yes. Yes there is. PLENTY of shit Death Metal and Black Metal bands. PLENTY of Shit Grind, Crust, Speed and Thrash Metal bands.

But if I listed them here I would

1. be listing bands you all have never heard of and wouldn'g give a shit about and

2. some of my friends who are in those bands we've met and playe with that suck ass might somehow read my post and become pissed at me.

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5AM neuron firings...
reading this thread just now, if anything, just further validated what I already knew: some people can make a point and back it up with elegant logic; some seem not to know when to shut up or how to present a cogent argument.

I will define "overrated" as overrated by people actually in the business of rating such music/bands. I think some posters blurred the issue by associating popularity (units sold) with a band's greatness. several posters understand that just because Brittney Spears and Limp Bizkit have sold millions of units, no one ever accused her of having a great voice, or LB of being musical virtuosos, nor have they received much critical acclaim. so I can't see them as overrated, perhaps they would be worth mentioning in a "how can they be so popular cause they suck ass" thread.

of course this is subjective; my definition of the spirit of this thread is bands that actually receive critical acclaim and have been around long enough to be viewed in some sort of non genres de jour context.

First, if this was a "popular bands that lots of people like but aren't critical darlings that suck ass in your opinion thread" I would agree:

Rush, Grateful Dead, Phish, Bon Jovi, Dave Matthews Band, etc.

But as far as bands that have received critical acclaim and who are IMHO overrated, I will join the "He's a Moron Cause He Thinks U2 are Overrated" club and add:

Bruce Springsteen (unless you're from New Jersey I guess) Tom Petty, Elivs Costello, REM, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Dashboard Confessional, Madonna, The Smiths, The Cure... there are just too many to mention.

The underrated is going to a more interesting thread.



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[TheMojoPin]

be listing bands you all have never heard of and wouldn'g give a shit about and

Go for it.

Metal names are ALWAYS entertaining and hilarious.

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[high fly]

Sex Pistols








All they really were were the Monkees without the t.v. show




Wrong. Had you been around at the time, you would have a different opinion.
Never Mind the Bollocks still holds up as a very strong elpee.


While "nevermind the bullocks" might be a cute album to listen to sometimes, it still doesn't excuse the fact that they were brought together as just a commercial for a clothing store in england. They're not a real band, they were an advertisement.



I've always said there are 2 kinds of idiot.
One of them is the idiots who know they are idiots, and at least have the sense to keep their trap shut and leave people wondering.
The other kind are the dopiest, for not only are they idiots, but they insist that everyone know it so they advertise the fact.

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[serVice]

The fact remains that Malcolm McClaren put the sex pistols together as a marketing for his shop SEX, based upon the fact that he knew he could use their look as a ploy for his shop.

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[TheMojoPin]

And...?

I think they're hugely overrated, but their single "real" album is one helluva good album. And regardless of their origins, their very existence kickstarted a LOT...musically, socially, fashion-wise...

People just often mix the music (Decent album) with the social impact (HUGE) when talking about the band.

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[Arienette]

People just often mix the music (Decent album) with the social impact (HUGE) when talking about the band.well said. and i would say the exact same thing about both nirvana and bob dylan.

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[TheMojoPin]

Yes and yes.

Here's another I think is fantastic, yet hugely overrated...Ryan Adams.

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[The Chairman]

Here's another I think is fantastic, yet hugely overrated...Ryan Adams.

He's a prick, I liked him better in Whiskeytown, he is a prick, he fucks Parker Posey, he is derivative (but at least of great bands) he is a prick and tries to have all this indie cred but appeared in a GAP ad, he's a prick, but he is also brilliant.

His new album, Rock and Roll (and the EP that preceded it) is amazing. Not to say that his other solo stuff isn't great either. But the new one is the great solo album Paul Westerberg never made. And if the first single/song on the album (This Is It) doesn't sound just like an amazing Replacements song, well then, you don't know the Mats and probably listen to U2 and Rush and DMB.




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and on his EP, Love is Hell, his song Afraid, Not Scared sounds EXACTLY, EXACTLY like Radiohead's Subterranean Homesick Alien. In case you were wondering. It's just so like pretty obvious to me.


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[high fly]

The fact remains...

The fact remains you weren't around back then and didn't experience the visceral reaction the Sex Pistols elicited, nor can you recall the impact they had on the dinosaur bands of the day, or how refreshing they were compared to the crap we had to put up with on the radio, in the clubs or at parties.

Otherwise, I'm enjoying your ad campaign...

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[TheMojoPin]

Here's a band I love, but I think is the epitome of an overrated "critics' band"...Guided By Voices.


He's a prick, I liked him better in Whiskeytown, he is a prick, he fucks Parker Posey, he is derivative (but at least of great bands) he is a prick and tries to have all this indie cred but appeared in a GAP ad, he's a prick, but he is also brilliant.

He is. He's also spread himself too thin since "Heartbreaker". He doesn't HAVE to be the Superman of rock, but he's trying to be, and as such his work has suffered. Now when I say suffer, I mean it's "just great" as opposed to "brilliant". The guy showed infinite potential on the Whiskeytown albums and his first solo disc, and I just don't feel he's lived up to it since then as a whole. And that's what makes it frustrating...he puts out songs that show he's still got it, but he packages them with a lot of the uncessary fluff that make up too mcuh of "Gold" and "Rock & Roll".

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