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reeshy
11-27-2003, 03:18 AM
Mrs. Claus? (http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_HARVEY_FIERSTEIN?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Firestein states that this is not a political statement!! Then what the hell is it? Can't we just leave certain things alone? Must everything in life have to be used as a vehicle for someone's personal agenda? Can't we leave this parade the way it was intended...for the kids??? Was Santa calling Harvey when he went "HO, HO, HO"??????
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11-27-2003, 03:38 AM
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pennington
11-27-2003, 06:38 AM
Fierstein, star of the Broadway musical hit "Hairspray" and openly gay
Harvey Fierstein is gay? I need to get out more. I think he'll look fetching in red.
Actually, I don't think it's that big of a deal. He's an actor playing a part. And this is Manhattan we're talking about.
But I agree with Reeshy, this is a political statement. Otherwise he would have done it anonymously or revealed it AFTER the parade.
TheMojoPin
11-27-2003, 07:34 AM
Yes.
We should care about this.
Seriously.
Wooooh.
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silera
11-27-2003, 07:49 AM
Shakespeare was first performed by men playing the parts of women.
Who cares really?
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IrishAlkey
11-27-2003, 07:54 AM
I like to reenact the first meeting of the pilgrims and Native Americans dressed as a fairy princess with magic jelly beans.
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Crazy Jen
11-27-2003, 08:10 AM
if Harvey is going to be Mrs. Clause in the parade then I think this year im gonna leave vodca tonics for Santa instead of his cookies and Milk. He might not notice the difference in women after that
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The Chairman
11-27-2003, 08:22 AM
What's next, Rosie leading the St. Patrick's Day Parade dressed as a lesbian Irish woman?
Here's a link to an interesting NY Times article I read yesterday. You need to register, so I posted the text too.
Santa Op-Ed (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/26/opinion/26FIER.html?pagewanted=print&position=)
November 26, 2003
You Better Watch Out
By HARVEY FIERSTEIN
According to legend, New York lore and two major Hollywood flicks, Macy's Santa is the real deal. And tomorrow, to the delight of millions of little children (not to mention the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court), the Santa in New York's great parade will be half of a same-sex couple.
And guess who the other half will be? Me! Harvey Fierstein, nice Jewish boy from Bensonhurst, dressed in holiday finery portraying the one and only Mrs. Claus.
Won't America get a kick out of that? But what if Santa really was gay? Could there be a another Mr. Claus? Would those grinches who, as we speak, are fashioning legislation to deny marriage to gay and lesbian Americans make an exception for the jolly old soul? What has Santa ever done except bring joy and gifts to all? Just the sight of his face is enough to bring a smile to the Scroogiest of politicians. Would his gifts of love and goodwill be answered with exclusion and derision?
The answer, history tells us, is "of course." Consider the Americans who have rained nothing but glory on our nation. Think about the magnificent works of Walt Whitman, James Baldwin and Hart Crane. They're just a handful of writers who shaped the American vision and yet could not achieve full citizenship because they were homosexual. How many wedding parties have walked down the aisle to the music of Virgil Thompson, Stephen Sondheim, Jerry Herman or Aaron Copland? Yes, we get to provide the music, but we are not allowed to get married ourselves. The next time you stand, hand on your heart, and sing "America the Beautiful," remind yourself that we owe those towering words to Katharine Lee Bates, a lesbian.
Remind yourself, too, of the Rev. Mychal F. Judge, the fire department chaplain who was killed on September 11. There was hardly a religious leader in our city who did not glorify his name and hold him up as someone to emulate. But remind them that he was a proud and openly gay man and those same moralists will turn their backs in denial.
The unhappy tradition continues today. The Bush administration spends billions spreading freedom abroad while at home it devises legislation to deny equal rights to gays and lesbians. What is it with you people, anyway? Are you so insecure about the way you handle marriage that you're scared gay folk will show you up? Trust me, we will make as much of a mess out of matrimony as you do. Just give us a chance.
In the end all I can say is this: If I really was Santa's life partner, you can believe that he would ask and I would tell about who has been naughty or nice on this issue. Still, as we approach the holiday season I'd like to imagine that fear and bigotry will not prevail in this land. Maybe this holiday season we can toss out some of the intolerance that nests in our hearts and make room for more love and acceptance.
Of course, there will be those who say, Santa Claus lives near Canada and isn't even an American. To them I reply, neither is anyone who would deny a person full citizenship because of whom he or she loves. Besides, we've been looking at a time share on the Cape. Happy holiday and remember to wave to me on my float. I'll be the man in the big red dress.
Harvey Fierstein won the 2003 Tony Award for his performance in "Hairspray."
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reeshy
11-27-2003, 08:31 AM
I think you guys misread what I wrote! I could give a rat's ass if someone is gay but when they use an event, such as the Thanksgiving parade, for their own agenda, that's when I object. Why can't some things just be let alone...maybe there are people out there who like these things just the way they are. And before someone says it. Firestein is using this parade to make a statement...I don't give a shit what he tells the press!!!
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IrishAlkey
11-27-2003, 08:36 AM
Any minority faction with an agenda fucking blows.
In this case, sucks.
So dumb.
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The Chairman
11-27-2003, 08:42 AM
reeshy, I didn't misread your statement.
I was just adding fuel to the debate. By posting that article I meant to provide additional background.
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Crazy Jen
11-27-2003, 08:42 AM
hey then what is the toothfairy man or woman and how about the easter bunny, god forbid that the person in that suit isnt a member of PETA. Hey, I have a question What would you get more upset about A homeless man dressed up as Sante or Harvey dressed as Ms. Clause?
I think Harvey should dress up as Cupid next and shoot you in the ass with one of his love arrows. That would be comedy
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IrishAlkey
11-27-2003, 08:51 AM
hey then what is the toothfairy man or woman and how about the easter bunny, god forbid that the person in that suit isnt a member of PETA. Hey, I have a question What would you get more upset about A homeless man dressed up as Sante or Harvey dressed as Ms. Clause?
I think Harvey should dress up as Cupid next and shoot you in the ass with one of his love arrows. That would be comedy
I have about 15 questions after reading this.
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silera
11-27-2003, 08:54 AM
That would be comedy
I'm laughing.
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Crazy Jen
11-27-2003, 09:09 AM
Hey Silera I knew you would understand
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NewYorkDragons80
11-27-2003, 09:14 AM
I favor gay marriage, but this was the inappropriate time for a political statement.
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TheMojoPin
11-27-2003, 09:15 AM
I want, no, DEMAND the dignity of the St. Patrick's Day parade.
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Crazy Jen
11-27-2003, 09:19 AM
that is a whole different subject. Anytime you get green beer, drunk irish woman and bag pipes. Anything goes. The St. Patricks Day is my favorite Day
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TheMojoPin
11-27-2003, 09:28 AM
Alright.
How DARE the gays take away from the majesty and dignity of seeing Underdog's 30-foot high rubber crotch.
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Crazy Jen
11-27-2003, 09:38 AM
My favorite was when Woody Wood pecker started to go limp in the middle, you would think for someone with so much energy that he could stay up till the end
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