STOP THE INTERNET TAX!

[The Blowhard]

click here for info (http://www.nointernettax.org/index.cfm?Page=ActionItems)


No, this is not that hoax that has been passed around, this is the real deal! Tell them to fuck off!


He whose ranks are united in purpose will be victorious.
--Sun Tzu

[billyio]

Good link Heckler. Can't these people leave us one last bastion of freedom of any sort?

What's next? A tax on sigs?



See Ya!

[The Blowhard]

Democrat? Republican? It means shit. They are looking out for # 1 and guess what? I've got some news for you, you ain't even # 2! (thanks Frank Zappa!)
This is an outrage and I hope all internet users act fast!
These Governors must be stopped:
James Gilmore III (VA); Bill Owens (CO); George E. Pataki (NY); Jane Swift (MA); Roy Barnes (GA), Ruth Ann Minner (DE); Jeanne Shaheen (NH)




He whose ranks are united in purpose will be victorious.
--Sun Tzu

[UnknownPD]

Why should amazon be allowed to be tax free while Barnes and Noble has to charge sales tax?
Internet only companies should be subject to the same sales taxes as brick and mortar stores.
The "internet only" stores sell in your neighborhoods, yet pay not a penny in local taxes. That money has got to come from somwehre and if it does't come from sales and corporate taxes its gonna come from your pocket.

[A.J.]

James Gilmore III (VA);

He's not the Governor anymore.

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[furie]

The United States is one of the few countries that has never had a significant "peasant" revolt in it's history. One reason I always attributed this to is entertainment. The US knows how to keep people entertained aka distracted. TV, Movies, Sports, the occasional impeachment hearing. It's all in good fun.

The internet's the biggest distraction to come along in a while. it makes people happy. happy people don't revolt. you'd think it would be in their best interests to leave it alone.


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[shamus mcfitzy]

Americans really are lazy and pretty stupid, that's kinda why we haven't had a major revolt in about 220 years. And plus who the fuck cares ultimately. The average person won't even read about it.

[Cybersoldier]

Americans really are lazy and pretty stupid, that's kinda why we haven't had a major revolt in about 220 years. And plus who the fuck cares ultimately. The average person won't even read about it.



And if they did read about it would either find the situation hopeless and give up or just forget about until they notice they are paying taxes with their internet purchases

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[furie]

it doesn't matter if the average american sees this. History has shown that change comes through the dedicated work of the motivated few.


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[JustJon]

Why should amazon be allowed to be tax free while Barnes and Noble has to charge sales tax?

Because Amazon doesn't have any stores, so there's no locality to charge. And even if they did get forced to charge sales tax (non-internet), it would be in Washington state only because it's their only real location (stores have to charge based on storefont, not where warehouses are)

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[TheMojoPin]

The United States is one of the few countries that has never had a significant "peasant" revolt in it's history.

Except for the one that, y'know, created us and stuff.

This thing won't pass. It's been knocking around in various forms for almost a decade now and always ends up getting killed.

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[furie]

There was nothing revolutionary about the American Revolution. It was organized and managed by a small number of the elite. The common man, the worker didn't factor into it. Same goes for the Civil War. That was a struggle between rich white landowners vs. rich white industrialists and landowners.


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[TheMojoPin]

Who did the fighting?

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[UnknownPD]

Because Amazon doesn't have any stores, so there's no locality to charge. And even if they did get forced to charge sales tax (non-internet), it would be in Washington state only because it's their only real location (stores have to charge based on storefont, not where warehouses are)


I understand this is the way it is today, but it is a standard set by the courts long before the internet was a viable means of commerce.
I also understand that there are two sides to this.

My argument is that if companies like Amazon or PC Connection do not have to pay local taxes to the jurisdictions they sell to then there will no longer be a local tax base to draw from. Things will not get funded because businesses that used to pay sales taxes to the locality will no longer be there. The money has to come from somewhere.
Secondly, by not charging some companies taxes and charging others the government has gone into the business of creating a competitive advantage for one group against another.
The original purpose of the "Internet Tax Freedom" was to give a new technology a chance to grow now that it has it should be subject to all the same rules as other forms of commerce.

[shamus mcfitzy]

yeah I wouldn't really consider the Revolution an American revolt, it was a British one. I actually meant Shay's Rebellion, which was much smaller than I thought on second look.

This message was edited by shamus mcfitzy on 11-18-03 @ 9:25 PM

[furie]

Who did the fighting?


the same people who do all the fighting, the poor. But that doesn't qualify either war as a revolt. The french revolution, that was revolt. Complete change of government through violent means. When England finally recognized our sovernity, was the new US government all that much different than the british? no. not a revolt, simply a reorganization. And as i've pointed out, what makes something a (i hate to use the term) peasant revolt is when the peasants run it.


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[TheMojoPin]

The French revolt was primarily run by the overflowing middle class, NOT the poor. The poor just did the grunt work. So if ours "doesn't count", why should theirs?

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[furie]

middle-class was a relative term then. Poor or middle class, they were still bourgeoisie, and outside the privileged class. The more educated ran the revolt, sure. but the bourgeoisie were discontented and disenfranchised. The same cannot be said of our war for independence. the social structure wasn't the same at the time.

The french revolution was fueled by the fact that by 1788, the country was bankrupt. The economy imploded. Again, not the same situation here.

The french revolution and the American war for independence aren't comparable.



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This message was edited by furie on 11-19-03 @ 3:55 PM

[high fly]

... haven't had a major revolt in about 220 years..


I thought that Civil War thingee was pretty big.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

The Civil War was more than a revolt, i'm of the belief that it was an insurrextion and that they had split off as a new country. By revolt I mean the people of the country actually trying to change things from within, which is why i also don't consider the American Revolution a revolt, it was also an insurrextion (a sucessful one).

[high fly]

(damned double post)

This message was edited by high fly on 11-19-03 @ 4:17 PM

[high fly]

poor or middle class, they were still bourgoisie and outside the priveledged class

Uhhhhhhhhhh, wasn't that the "proletariat"?



The frenchrevolution and the American war for independence aren't comparable

In that both were trying to throw off the shackles of a monarchy, and that both were informed by many of the same philosophers, they were.


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[TheMojoPin]

The french revolution and the American war for independence aren't comparable.

Well, no, they're two of the most similar revolutions in history in terms of goals and initial principles and reasoning, but I get what you're saying.

I still don't bank all of our revolution on the rich, no pun intended. I guess I base a LOT of that on what I read in these books...

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[high fly]

insurrextion

Nahhhh, too easy.

The Civil War was a revolt against the authority of the government, plain and simple. No matter what the reason, they revolted.

Do I need to start posting dictionary definitions of "Revolt"?

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[furie]

poor or middle class, they were still bourgoisie and outside the priveledged class

Uhhhhhhhhhh, wasn't that the "proletariat"?

the proletariat are the workers of the greater class of bourgeoisie, middle class.



The frenchrevolution and the American war for independence aren't comparable

In that both were trying to throw off the shackles of a monarchy, and that both were informed by many of the same philosophers, they were.
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true, but for the focus of the arument, an angry populace overthrowing the government, they're not.

but I get what you're saying.


ok good. we were going in circles there. I know they're philosophical very similar, but that wasn't my point.

and the civil war was more about states rights, not people's. so it's even less like a revolution than the war for independance.


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This message was edited by furie on 11-19-03 @ 4:31 PM

[shamus mcfitzy]

sure go ahead. I just think that the Civil War was a war between two governments. The US let them leave basically by not bringing more troops against them earlier, and there was an established government that the US was fighting. Revolts don't have that in my mind. In fact, a revolt is about overthrowing a government by force and the Civil War really was about the US government trying to regain the South.

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[high fly]

And for "peasant" revolts, look to the labor unrest around the turn of the century that fueled the rise of the socialist and other worker's parties in this country.
I'm old enough to remember riots in several US cities, night after night, for several years in the 60s where the national guard had to be called out repeatedly.
Large sections of major cities were burned to the ground.
One of my neighbors in Quantico at the time led a contingent of Marines who set up machine guns on the White House lawn back then.
Some have speculated that the full blown "Revolution" that everyone talked about didn't occur because at the same time was a huge growth in the use of marijuana.
The revolutionaries were too stoned to do much more than talk and come up with hairbrained plans that appeared to be the work of stoners.

" and they ask me why I drink"

[furie]

Some have speculated that the full blown "Revolution" that everyone talked about didn't occur because at the same time was a huge growth in the use of marijuana.


as I said, a happy and distracted populace doen't revolt. I guess we can throw stoned in there too.


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[high fly]

angry populace overthrowing the government ,they're not...


Huh? Wha?

If those who fought the royalty in the French and US revolutions WEREN'T an angry populace, then who were they?
Mexicans?

" and they ask me why I drink"

[high fly]

and the part about the burning of large sections of major US cities, night after night?

" and they ask me why I drink"