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DreamWeaver

10-29-2003, 07:12 AM

It seems for the past few weeks at work random people have been coming up to me making racist comments so nonchalantly. I come across this everyday from all different types of people.. throwing around the word "nigger" or "shine" like it's any other word.

"Did you see that Jennifer Lopez in the paper? I used to have such respect for her until she started dating a nigger. She's such a pretty girl but she likes these goddamn shines. It's such a shame. And the nigger she used to be with, now he likes white girls".

And there I am like, ummmmmm yeah ok, being too much of a pussy to say anything.

Yesterday I was telling this other guy how I fell and sprained my ankle because I was wearing these big clunky shoes. He says, "You were the big high heels like the fucking niggers?" You know why they were them right? So their knuckles don't drag on the ground".

POW!

And these guys are completely serious.

They don't know me from a hole in the wall. I could be the head of the Black Panthers for all they know. Did I miss the memo where white people declared these kind of racist remarks commonplace?

Do you come across people like this?

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East Side Dave

10-29-2003, 07:19 AM

I would never use the word "shine." Ever.

unless me and my grandma talk to each other and never move our lips. We call it shinin.' Would you like some ice cream, Doc? Do you know how I knew your name was Doc?

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TheMojoPin

10-29-2003, 07:23 AM

Do you come across people like this?

Pretty much, yeah. Not too much people going around saying "nigger this, nigger that", but like you said with people making with the stupid stereotypes...and YES, I can tell the difference between someone making a stupid but ultimately harmless joke and someone who's actually a hateful, malicious ass.

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A.J.

10-29-2003, 07:28 AM

I always heard the N-word getting tossed around in DC.

Of course, it had a different meaning compared to when it was done in rural VA.

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JohnnyCash

10-29-2003, 07:35 AM

White people are so scared, of black people...

Always remeber the Man In Black.

blakjeezis

10-29-2003, 07:37 AM

This coming from the girl whose cousins' named their adopted Vietnamese son, I swear I'm not making this up, Charlie. So what does that tell you?

As far as the racist remarks go, I'm the first one to use spic, nigger, shine, coon, spook, chink, wetback, guinea, mick, whatever. I think it's just sort of the fashion of the moment. I say it for effect, humour, and I suppose some 'shock factor'.
We've discuss ed this and I hold no ill will towards any racial group beyond what reality has taught me. I spend a lot of time in bad black and Hispanic neighborhoods, when I drive through I lock my doors. I would do the same if I was driving through Appalachia. It's not the color of their skin, it's their socio-economic status that leads to crime. It just do happens that in this area a predominant number of bad neighborhoods are "ethnic".

Now as far as you being the head of the Black Panthers. If the person is talking to you in person, obviously they know you're not a nigger. The only way they wouldn't know is if they spoke to you on the phone. Since you talk white, they could only assume you're an educated nigger, in which case you wouldn't be in the Black Panthers anyway. So that's probably why they feel comfortable saying these things to you.

See, shocking isn't it?

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East Side Dave

10-29-2003, 07:38 AM

I always heard the N-word getting tossed around in DC.

Do you mean Napkin? That's start with "N"!!! You DO mean Napkin, don't you?! You mean Napkin!!!!

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DreamWeaver

10-29-2003, 07:38 AM

YES, I can tell the difference between someone making a stupid but ultimately harmless joke and someone who's actually a hateful, malicious ass. As can I. I may make the occasionally black joke every so often and I don't have a stick up my ass when it comes to that stuff. But when someone is throwing around the word "nigger" like I would say "shit" or "hell" makes me very uncomfortable.

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10-29-2003, 07:39 AM

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10-29-2003, 07:42 AM

shine?

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East Side Dave

10-29-2003, 07:45 AM

And I likes those quote boxes better when they were Blue!!! ANd to signify this I've made all the "blue" words in this post Blue!!! And given myself a Blue star!!!

I've made all the "blue" words...blue

Shit. Shit! I forgot to make that one blue!!! Oh, shit, and that one that I just wrote! Oh, shit, and now I'm quoting myself! Oh!

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DreamWeaver

10-29-2003, 07:47 AM

I can't edit my posts for some reason.

Now as far as you being the head of the Black Panthers. If the person is talking to you in person, obviously they know you're not a nigger.Thank you Captain OBVIOUS. But still, they don't know my background, who I hang with or anything. I was just asking why they think it's ok to talk to somebody like that.

The people that are talking like this are just your average white folk...not hicks or trailer trash either.

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10-29-2003, 07:52 AM

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10-29-2003, 08:00 AM

shine?

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Death Metal Moe

10-29-2003, 08:02 AM

But when someone is throwing around the word "nigger" like I would say "shit" or "hell" makes me very uncomfortable.

If it's to the point that you're uncomfortable then i would say something to the person(s).

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And that's pretty much the best you can hope for. Tell them not to talk like that around you because you dislike ignorance. Or you can talk about problems facing blacks, but you don't want to characterize an entire race by a few bad apples that may have done something wrong to them in their lives to make them racist.

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Death Metal Moe

10-29-2003, 08:08 AM

It seems racist white people will always do this the same way too. They'll start out with the big sweep from side to side looking for blacks in the room to see if it's all clear to be racist. Then they'll drop the comment.

True story. I was helping my friends clean up after their night's work at the studio they used to work at, and the last customers were still cleaning up their eqipment as we started their room. We got talking about another studio in the area and how it wasn't as good. So he says something like "Well this studio is better. I mean, some BLACK GUY owns the other one!"

And just silence. So much silence. Not even looks. Just silence.

I mean I don't want to act like one of those assholes who gets offended for other races, but I don't really like that shit so that was it.

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FUNKMAN

10-29-2003, 08:15 AM

even though it's in the past i always wondered if the white people (subconsciously) thought OJ was guilty because he was black or was it really because of the evidence they were made aware of on TV and in the Newspapers.

how much was racism a factor in the thinking?

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zoom2457

10-29-2003, 08:54 AM

They'll start out with the big sweep from side to side looking for blacks in the room to see if it's all clear to be racist.

See, this is what really bugs me about it. Why look around first? If you are a racist, be a racist. Stand up for what you believe in. Stop hiding under those stupid sheets, let people see you for what you are.

Another thing that annoys me is that some of these racist people are big time bible thumpers and jesus freaks.

The world would be a much nicer place if it wasn't for all the people...

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10-29-2003, 08:58 AM

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Death Metal Moe

10-29-2003, 09:00 AM

See, this is what really bugs me about it. Why look around first? If you are a racist, be a racist. Stand up for what you believe in. Stop hiding under those stupid sheets, let people see you for what you are.

Why? Well, not to answer like you don't know because you probably do, but it's fear. They fear the Black man. Seriously. I think they see them as some sort of competiton. Maybe that big penis thing gets in their heads so they feel inferior? I can't be sure because I'm not really like that. Maybe they saw a pretty white girl going out with a black man once and it pissed them off?

But if they just spent time working on the type of person they were instead of spreading hate, they'd be better people and our world would be better.

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10-29-2003, 09:01 AM

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10-29-2003, 09:09 AM

"Did you see that Jennifer Lopez in the paper? I used to have such respect for her until she started dating a nigger."

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blakjeezis

10-29-2003, 09:10 AM

Another thing that annoys me is that some of these racist people are big time bible thumpers and jesus freaks

This really bugs me. Not only is this a completely unecessary shot at religious people, it's also invalid. There is no doubt a great number of hardline racists that are religious, and a great number of them are avowed atheists. What's your point?

You're trying to show a correlation between religious people and racism, in attempt to demonstrate how religious people are really hypocrites. You're using a flawed argument in an unrelated forum to try and make an invalid point. In fact, what you're doing is tantamount to racism. It's faithism, spewing false rhetoric in an attempt to stereotype and illegitimate an entire segment of the population based solely on your own skewed view of reality. Religion and racism do not go hand in hand.

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zoom2457

10-29-2003, 09:21 AM

No Mr. Blakjeezis, my point IS NOT invalid.

Maybe you just didn't understand it.

I said SOME people, not ALL people. Simply put, I find religious people that use their bible to defend their racist beliefs extremely annoying.

And, I further believe, Jesus was NOT white, but more like an off-white to light brown color.

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mdr55

10-29-2003, 09:25 AM

Religion and racism do not go hand in hand.

All I know, when I lived in Mississippi, we had a BLACK church and a WHITE one. Very rarely did they mix.

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blakjeezis

10-29-2003, 09:34 AM

You're point is not beyond my grasp, believe me. It just seems like you're one of these bandwagon jumpers that bash religion because it's en vogue. You awkwardly crowbar a shot at religion (usually Christianity) into every conversation: Racism discussion - religous folks are bad because they're racist yet the bible says not to be. War in Iraq discussion: How can religious people be for the war when the bible specifically says "Thou shalt not kill"? etc . . .

It's not that you're not entitled to have your opinion, feel free, it's just that religion has become this scapegoat and it's become fashionable to bash it. Instead of finding a legitimate cause of problems, the old "religion is hypocrisy escape hatch" is argued. If we are ever to solve any of our societies fucked up problems we need to address the real issues.

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10-29-2003, 09:43 AM

yes.. anyone that denies it is just lying to themselves..

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10-29-2003, 09:43 AM

You know what blakjeezis.

You say that I'm a bandwagon jumping, anti-religious, following the crowd-type person.

Guess what???

YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!!!!

Don't go around assuming things that you know nothing about.

PS I believe that the reason the world is so fucked up is because of fanatical religious beliefs. This is not me jumping on the bandwagon but coming to this conclusion based on my views.

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FUNKMAN

10-29-2003, 09:57 AM

Racism works both ways....How many black people said OJ was innocent simply because he was black???

i hear ya Reesh...

i think the blacks more than anything wanted to 'stick it to the white justice system'.... the system that convicted and condemned many an innocent black man... not all of us nice white folk...

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TheMojoPin

10-29-2003, 10:14 AM

Racism works both ways....How many black people said OJ was innocent simply because he was black???

Whew, yeah, NOW both sides are on an even keel.

For better or for worse, religion and racism have gone hand-in-hand for most of history. How many times did you hear in any of your history classes about any bigger civilization in the world going to a smaller country and squashing their religion and the people that refused to convert just because it was THEIR religion? Heck, a lot of the terrorist sects that are striking at the "western world" are practicing racism based on religion.

That's not to say there aren't plenty of devoutly religious people who aren't racist...that's clearly the case. But to think religion & racism is some kind of nouveau idea is a little silly. Just look at the history of our country...most of the most violent racism we had came from the south, which tends to be the most passionately religious as well.

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GirlOnTheCouch

10-29-2003, 10:16 AM

But still, they don't know my background, who I hang with or anything. I was just asking why they think it's ok to talk to somebody like that.

Exactly. If it was me, they would have NO doubt that they should never say that around me again. I have dated many black guys, have friends of almost every race, not to mention relatives that have married into my family.

I can take a joke as much as the next person, and so can the minorities I know, but in this scenario I would definitely let them know that you don't want to hear that kind of talk around you.

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10-29-2003, 10:53 AM

Yeah, that whole racism thing is wrong, but I have a question. Why do we have to let girls post? Isn't it enough that we let them vote and leave the kitchen? ;)

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10-29-2003, 11:05 AM

That's not to say there aren't plenty of devoutly religious people who aren't racist...that's clearly the case. But to think religion & racism is some kind of nouveau idea is a little silly. Just look at the history of our country...most of the most violent racism we had came from the south, which tends to be the most passionately religious as well.

I can't seem to edit my posts, so I'll just clarify a bit more.

I'm NOT saying religious people tend to be racist. I AM saying that racist people tend to be religious. There IS a clear difference between the two that shows that I am NOT damning religious people.

Look at it this way...if I had to pick any musical genres where the fans are more likely to be racists, I'd say it would be country and metal. I'm NOT saying that metal and country fans tend to be racists...I'm saying racists tend to be country or metal fans. They're a sub-genre within a sub-genre.

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Hosp

10-29-2003, 11:42 AM

even though it's in the past i always wondered if the white people (subconsciously) thought OJ was guilty because he was black

Racism works both ways....How many black people said OJ was innocent simply because he was black???

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10-29-2003, 11:52 AM

EVERYONE is racist.
Some more than others.

That's just the way it is.
If you deny this, you're a liar.

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keithy_19

10-29-2003, 12:44 PM

EVRYONE sats things about eachothers race. So what? That doesn't bother me, If you take it to the extreme and start beating or lynching someone because of their race, then thats fucked up.

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10-29-2003, 02:11 PM

Racism is ignorant and gay.

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10-29-2003, 02:26 PM

I know I use racial slurs all the time, only because I've been called a "mick" enough by my friends that I think I should be able to call them "negroes", "waps", "spics", and "chinks". However, I never use "nigger". That's not cool. And it's almost lost any insult value for me in that I lived in a neighborhood where I heard the word at least once an hour. Plus I think I can take a "spic" or a "chink", my chances do go down when dealing with a "negro". :)

TheMojoPin

10-29-2003, 07:57 PM

There is in no way that what Dreamweaver descrbied should be excusable and acceptable to anyone with half a brain.

There's a difference between joking around. And then there's THAT. PERIOD.

And to all the people who say that "everyone makes racial jokes/uses slurs," fuck you. I don't. I've never felt the need or desire, so I don't.

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blakjeezis

10-30-2003, 06:46 AM

Look at it this way...if I had to pick any musical genres where the fans are more likely to be racists, I'd say it would be country and metal. I'm NOT saying that metal and country fans tend to be racists...I'm saying racists tend to be country or metal

I assume you mean white racists, Mojo? I've looked, but I've never seen Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, or Louis (Lewis?) Farrakhan at a Brooks and Dunn show. That is a demonstration of a completely different hypocrisy.

What I'm tired of is the constant religion bashing. Actually that's not true, religion bashing is fine by me. It's the need to bash religion at every opportunity, in what I can only see as an attempt to either gain some type of moral or intellectual superiority over someone who is religious, that I have a problem with. Religion and Racism are not functions of each other. If racists who hide behind their religious beliefs bother you so much, enough that you feel the need to tell us all about it, why don't racists who hide behind scientific theory bother you? It's called Eugenics, look into it. Hell, the Nazis had all types of scientific 'proof' of racial superiority, not once was a bible thumped.

Why separate racists who are religious from racists who aren't? Can't you just disagree with/dislike all racists equally? Shoehorning religion into the discussion, in my opinion, is just a way to try and make yourself sound smart. I'm not saying you're not smart, but it's been my experience people do it to try and rally people around them, to get them to say, "Yeah, he's right you know, religious people are assholes and he saw it. He must be really smart." It's a ploy the "intellectual elite" use all the time. Religion has become the pop-culture kick toy. Bashing it is the cool thing to do.

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TheMojoPin

10-30-2003, 07:16 AM

Well, I still stand by that racists, especially modern American racists, tend to be religious people, but religious people on a larger scale do NOT tend to be racist. I don't think that's bashing religious people. I think it's bashing racists. I'm not sure why the difference isn't clear, but whatever.

I assume you mean white racists, Mojo? I've looked, but I've never seen Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, or Louis (Lewis?) Farrakhan at a Brooks and Dunn show. That is a demonstration of a completely different hypocrisy.

Oh, come the fuck on. Of COURSE there are American black racists. And of course I meant American white racists, because there's SO much more of them. There's NOTHING that excuses someone like Farrakhan or other black racists, but let's stop this ridiculous nouveau notion that black and white racism is anywhere near being on the same level. I used the most common and obvious example, and I'd stick by it as such. And again, I'm saying that modern American white racists would probably tend to be country or metal fans, NOT that the majority of country or metal fans are racists. Would I be wrong in this assumption? I've witnessed and encountered the most racist musical fans in those two genres. Doesn't mean I think all or even most of the fans are racist...just that the racists tend to fall into those genres, unfortunately.

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10-30-2003, 07:26 AM

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white folks who throw the n-word around are scary. their's is a genuine hate. its irrational, and they are beyond help. they're too stupid to know better.

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10-30-2003, 07:52 AM

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most of the most violent racism we had came from the south, which tends to be the most passionately religious as well[quote]

You malign the racists there, as well as the Bible-thumpers. Racism comes from the acts of a few expanded to the proclivities of the many. As a son of the south I have no hatred towards my brothers descended from the dumbasses that "owned" them (read the Declaration of Independence, in particular the part about ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL) and have no sensible answer to them for how their forebears thought it was right to OWN them... the Fathers of our country were more uneasy than I am because they OWNED people (slaves) and should have been shot for that. Have I made myself clear?

blakjeezis

10-30-2003, 07:56 AM

American racists, tend to be religious people, but religious people on a larger scale do NOT tend to be racist. I don't think that's bashing religious people. I think it's bashing racists. I'm not sure why the difference isn't clear, but whatever.

The difference is clear, crystal clear. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't understand.

My main argument is not with you, Mojo. It's not really even with drawing a relationship between religon and racism. My problem is with people that use religion bashing at every turn because it has become the fashionable way of trying to 'get over'. Without any real knowledge of the subject, (I doubt this applies to you Mojo you seem like my kind of guy - researching a topic before forming an opinion even if it's the wrong one ;) ) they spout some rhetoric about the evils of 'organised religion' (they use that phrase often becasue it draws the line between 'acceptable' religions, Wicca and other new agey stuff, and 'evil' religions, Christianity in it's many forms et al.) and think that somehow shows their intelligence. That's what I don't like.

Oh, come the fuck on. Of COURSE there are American black racists. And of course I meant American white racists, because there's SO much more of them. There's NOTHING that excuses someone like Farrakhan or other black racists, but let's stop this ridiculous nouveau notion that black and white racism is anywhere near being on the same level.

This is most dangerous thinking. Racism not only exists equally on each side, it feeds of itself. White racism feeds Black racism feeds Whtie racism and on and on. It's a vicous cirlce. I hate to get all Orwellian here, but I honestly believe that it is fostered and used as a tool used by those (mostly white men, it's true, and not all of them are in Washington) in power to oppress us down here in the trenches.
By keeping the 'everyday' white fighting the 'everyday' blacks we become to busy to fight them, that's the short version. it's all bullshit and as soon as we realise that it doesn't matter the sooner we can get on with straightening out the real problems.

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10-30-2003, 08:17 AM

"I spend a lot of time in bad black and Hispanic neighborhoods, when I drive through I lock my doors."

I have no doors to lock, I drive a Jeep. When you drive through a neighborhood you have to accept the conditions that prevail there. Do you really think that someone who would take your car from you will be satisfied by doing so? By the way, I carry a .45.

TheMojoPin

10-30-2003, 08:24 AM

This is most dangerous thinking. Racism not only exists equally on each side, it feeds of itself. White racism feeds Black racism feeds Whtie racism and on and on. It's a vicous cirlce. I hate to get all Orwellian here, but I honestly believe that it is fostered and used as a tool used by those (mostly white men, it's true, and not all of them are in Washington) in power to oppress us down here in the trenches.

Well, I gotta diagree with you there, man. I fully understand what you're saying, and I agree with you as to how the pattern works, but I think that the more MALICIOUS forms of racism are still in the majority of the white side. That's not to say there aren't plenty in ANY of the minorities who abuse race relations and racial animosity to their own benefit, and some are genuinely hate-filled, but the scales just aren't even close to being level.

I think there's a differing levels as well. If the guy in DreamWeaver's example said he didn't like J-Lo as much because she dated a "black guy" as opposed to a "nigger", is it not as bad? Personally, I think so. It's still stupid, but it's a clear choice when someone has to use a blatantly awful and hate-filled term like "nigger", joke or not, and he knew EXACTLY what he was saying. And yeah, you get plenty of people in minorities who look down on their own for, say, dating white people, but you're less likely something as purely spiteful as what this guy said. Part of that is because the terms just were never invented. You don't have a white parallel for "nigger", and I think that's very telling.

And this isn't something you do or have done, but it honestly scares me how much the previously fringe notion of "saving the white race" has become more and more common place, and NOT over genuine racist attacks from the minorities, but seemingly just because they're gaining more and more power politically, socially and in the pop culture. These people seem to think that white people in this country are honestly "losing" some kind of battle, and they way they talk about how they need to stop this or "protect" themselves from it scares the shit out of me. It's like that scumbag Dr. William Pierce is winning beyond the grave...

And like I said, it's obvious there are plenty of people in ALL races here in this country, minority or otherwise, that are racist scumbags. But I just can't for a second logically assume there's as much racism from any one minority directed towards the white community as the racists in the white community direct back. Even in just comparing the numbers of the groups it seems clear to me that of course there's going to be a natural swell of racist shitfucks on the white side just because there's so many more of us. It strikes me as some kind of "wishful thinking" that any other group in this country could have as many racists or be as racist.

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Late2party

10-30-2003, 08:32 AM

"I spend a lot of time in bad black and Hispanic"

Is it really that bad?

zoom2457

10-30-2003, 08:53 AM

What I'm tired of is the constant religion bashing. Actually that's not true, religion bashing is fine by me. It's the need to bash religion at every opportunity, in what I can only see as an attempt to either gain some type of moral or intellectual superiority over someone who is religious, that I have a problem with. Religion and Racism are not functions of each other. If racists who hide behind their religious beliefs bother you so much, enough that you feel the need to tell us all about it, why don't racists who hide behind scientific theory bother you? It's called Eugenics, look into it. Hell, the Nazis had all types of scientific 'proof' of racial superiority, not once was a bible thumped.

The reason I find racists who hide behind religion annoying is because that is so not what religion is supposed to be about. It's about love your neighbor, do as God would do, etc. It never says love your white neighbors only. That's what ticks me off.

Science, on the other hand, doesn't tell you how to live your life or tell you what standards and ethics to follow.

You bring up Hitler and the Nazis, and while I agree that they used science to back up their racial superiority theory, they also used a variety of other half-truths and no-truths to back themselves up. The Nazis used their propaganda machine to tell the people of Germany exactly what they wanted to hear. For example, if you were a farmer, they would tell you that the Nazis only cared about the farmers and their rights. Then they would turn around and tell some other section of the population the same thing.

Not once did Hitler thump a bible? You sure about that??? Hitler used any means necessary to get the German people to follow him. Do you believe that the only reason Hitler went after the Jews was because he didn't think they were white. Don't you think that the Jewish religion also played a part?

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East Side Dave

10-30-2003, 09:25 AM

EVERYONE is racist.
Some more than others.

That's just the way it is.
If you deny this, you're a liar.

You got dat right, Chicky! I hates dem Pigeons! What wit theirr flyin' and all! Meeeeeyap! Be gone winged-devils! Sssstring 'em up! Maybe I shouldn't be drunk in the afternoon anymore! Yeeehhhaaaw!

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blakjeezis

10-30-2003, 12:36 PM

You got dat right, Chicky! I hates dem Pigeons! What wit theirr flyin' and all! Meeeeeyap! Be gone winged-devils! Sssstring 'em up!

Rats with wings, my friend, rats with wings.

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TheMojoPin

10-30-2003, 01:15 PM

What about squirrels? Rats with stoles...

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blakjeezis

10-31-2003, 06:44 AM

I've been thinking about this some more, and to simplify my reasoning, it's like this (it's really oversimplified, but it makes it easy to understand):

Racism is a like the Matrix. It's an illusion. By buying into it, and believing it, we make it real, we give it power.

The average, work-a-day, white man, while not overtly racist, believes that there is inequity in the system. Blacks either receive special treatment because they're black and/or are lazy and abusing the system. Both of these are probably true.
On the other hand, the average, work-a-day, black man, while not overtly racist, also believes that there is inequity in the system. Whites are favored by the system because they're white, and whites have all the power. The black man is held back because of the color of his skin. Again, this is probably true. (Edit: True in the sense that our beleif makes them true.)

These beliefs are fed into and given weight by those who are in power. I'm not just talking about politicians. While a lot of power does reside in Washington, a lot also lies in other places. Places where there is lots of money: media centers, oil companies, both domestically and internationally. It isn't limited by party lines or ideology, it is everywhere.

Because of the nature of our capitalist, consumer society, the dog eat dog constant competition, it's not difficult to cultivate these racist ideas from seed to fruit. We're all so worried that someone may be getting an advantage over us, may be making more money than us, may drive a nicer car than us, that manipulating us is simple. With media images constantly feeding it, our high ranking officials double dealing, and the concept of multiculturalism (what a joke that is), it's no wonder we all hate each other.

By selling us the idea that we really should be battling each other, by making whites believe blacks are up to no good and blacks believe whites are no good, they take the focus off themselves.

"The chemical company farming Bio-Engineered, cancer causing potatoes isn't your enemy. Look over here, there's a black woman having more and more fatherless kids so she can get a bigger welfare check. Doesn't that make you soooooo mad!?!"

The only way to effect any worthwhile change is to understand that it's not a battle between the races, it's not even really a battle between the rich and the poor, it's the age old battle between those in power and those they rule. They make us think we are free, but in reality, we're still chained to the wall of the cave.

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TheMojoPin

10-31-2003, 05:20 PM

Racism is a like the Matrix. It's an illusion.

Maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to say, but I can't go with you on this. I've seen too much "real" horrible racism in my life to think that it's all just one big misunderstanding.

The average, work-a-day, white man, while not overtly racist, believes that there is inequity in the system. Blacks either receive special treatment because they're black and/or are lazy and abusing the system. Both of these are probably true.

THIS is easily the smartest thing I've read in this entire thread. Right on.

Because of the nature of our capitalist, consumer society, the dog eat dog constant competition, it's not difficult to cultivate these racist ideas from seed to fruit.

I totally agree on this, though I think not the extent of your own personal opinion. All one needs to do is look at the business of hip-hop to see what you're saying...

Hip-hop has done nothing but expand in the last 10-15 years to become the biggest single selling musical genre outside of country here in America. Who buys most of it? White kids. What are the most common images and content of most of the mainstream artists/groups that push most of the bucks hip-hop makes? Gangsta/thug/womanizing/drinking/drugging/"bling-blingin'" stereotypes of the average inner city black youth. Someone has to pick which acts are going to be pushed. Most of the major music companies are almost totally white at the top and on the levels of finding and promoting these bands...the fact that THESE kind of people made a very conscious decision to push THAT kind of black image is racism in business, whether malicious and purposeful or not. Heck, artists willing to present that kind of ridiculous image no matter how hurtful it is is a form of self-racism. The shit's all over the place.

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FUNKMAN

10-31-2003, 05:30 PM

in some cases the person who makes racist remarks will be the first to help out a person of that particular race...

i have a friend in work whose acted this way several times...

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TheMojoPin

10-31-2003, 05:41 PM

What th-?!?

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sr71blackbird

10-31-2003, 05:51 PM

I think we all use these terms periodically, and not in a way thats ment to cause pain to somone or direct it at anyone. Id never call anyone those slurs, and I try not to use them excessively for fear that it will "slip out" by accident and either hurt someones feelings or get me in trouble. The same logic is true with burping for effect. If you make it a habit to belch out loud as a joke, eventually, youll do it at a supremely inapropriate moment. I look at people who do or say such things as crude individuals and I avoid associating with them.

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bitemyass

10-31-2003, 06:56 PM

I always heard the N-word getting tossed around in DC.

Do you mean Napkin? That's start with "N"!!! You DO mean Napkin, don't you?! You mean Napkin!!!!

No, NAPSTER :eg:

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Death Metal Moe

10-31-2003, 07:31 PM

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ff7wasbest

10-31-2003, 07:46 PM

The reason people don't like blacks is because they cause crime, simple as that.

P.S. If you can't see the pic below you are a nigger. If you wish to stop being a nigger tell me what I can do so that the pic can be seen.

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10-31-2003, 07:53 PM

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Death Metal Moe

10-31-2003, 07:55 PM

No more of that.

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ff7wasbest

10-31-2003, 07:59 PM

i think there are very few people living their lives that don't see color and i believe i met a few...

their seems to be 'degrees' of racism instilled in everyone. it probably depends on your experiences.

one day i got beat up by 7 black guys but the 'n' word never entered my mind, the word 'punks' did. maybe because i put myself in a bad situation.
but the other day when i was going to the HardRock some black guy just nonchalantly(sp?) moved from his lane over and without looking or signaling stuck the nose of his car into the 6 inches of space between me and the guy that was in front of me, it made me mumble the 'n' word and a few "mother f'ers"...

it seems to depend on the actions of others...

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Death Metal Moe

10-31-2003, 08:06 PM

Man, fuck you ff7. You don't diss Funkman or any other people on this board.

Go be an asshole somewhere else.

You didn't start out as a shock poster, why change now?

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Mothball

10-31-2003, 08:29 PM

There are too many generalizations in this thread: "white people this", black people that".
That's the problem. And just calling someone a racist is judgemental: do you really know what's in a persons heart?
I think there is a backlash against the p.c. crap that's being forced down our throats. Funny is funny, and it's not the words but how you use the words. By making them taboo you are just empowering them. We all need to lighten up.
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shellcreatives

10-31-2003, 08:52 PM

I've never heard the word shine used that way. Nigger is pretty commonplace, at least in NYC. Up in Amish Country Penn., we don't use it too often (not many black people in the sticks,) but I have heard it.
So yes, racism exists. But no, not everyone is racist. I hate the bastard who stole my wallet on Monday. Yes, he was black, but the part I hate is HE STOLE MY WALLET!

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TheMojoPin

10-31-2003, 08:53 PM

I think there is a backlash against the p.c. crap that's being forced down our throats. Funny is funny, and it's not the words but how you use the words. By making them taboo you are just empowering them. We all need to lighten up.

Fuck this cop-out shit.

A word like "nigger" is an ugly stupid word with nothing but hateful origins and intentions, no matter who the fuck is saying is. White guy, Asian guy, black guy, I don't give a good goddamn...it's moronic and unecessary. When has anyone here ever HAD to say it? So many people seem so quick to jump in as to why they or someone else SHOULD be able to say...but nobody's got the "why?" Because there isn't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...people CAN say whatever they want, but there are times when you just shouldn't. People need to use some fucking common sense.

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ff7wasbest

11-01-2003, 05:53 AM

You all politicaly correct pussies. Yours scared to call someone who stole your wallet and jumped you with a group a nigger? God damn if any NIGGER ever jumped me or stole my wallet I would not only beat that NIGGER half to death but I would never EVER stop using the word NIGGER.

I would use it in every day conversation and I would sign my name with it. I would call every racial group NIGGERS including asians and mexicans. I would tattoo NIGGER on my chest. When ever someone would ask me for time I would say "It's NIGGER time!"....pussies

P.S. My pic is still invisible, WHYYYY!!!!!!!!

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pennington

11-01-2003, 09:15 AM

You all politicaly correct pussies. Yours scared to call someone who stole your wallet and jumped you with a group a nigger?

What color was your English teacher?

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JimBeam

11-01-2003, 10:16 AM

I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this because I skipped around the previous posts, but there is a difference between " racism " and " prejudice ".
There are very few true racists in the world, and where they are are more than likely rural groups who don't come into contact with other people due to choice or circumstances.
We are ALL prejudice in some way. You can think that you are the most enlightened person in the worl and love evrybody but at some point I'm sure you said nigger, whitey, spic, jew, or thought a Catholic priest was a child molestor, thought jews wanted something free, thought a black could jump higher because he was black, etc ...
The point is it is human nature to at times resent things that you either do not like, have no use for, or have never encountered.
Sure we should treat everybody the same, but it doesnt happen. Never has and never will.
Surely there are degrees of prejudice with some being more nasty than others, but you dont see that too often or people keep it hidden. There's no problem with white or black people hiding their prejudice. You should hide that stuff at work and in places where it offends people. Its what adults and professionals do. As far as loking around to see who's where before you say something is common place. Isnt the whole term reffered to as " talking behind somebody's back " because you dont wanna hurt the person's feelings to their face ?
As far as racism and religion being hand in hand thats true but an absurd point. Being married and religious come hand in hand, being employed and religious come hand in hand, the fact is religion is a major part of our country so its gonna go hand in hand with almost everything.
And as far as the south being more religious is probably untrue as well. Catholics are notoriouslly more " fanatical " than Protestants and Catholics dominate the East Coast more than they do the south.
Point is as long as nobody is dragging anybody behind a car, or firebombing a church, or wilding due to these factors there is no real harm in it.
Dont teach it to kids and they will figure out on their own what is " right " and what is " wrong ".

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FUNKMAN

11-01-2003, 12:01 PM

Man, fuck you ff7. You don't diss Funkman or any other people on this board.

thanks Moe, but don't sweat it... pay this guy no mind, i'm sure the mods will address it...

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high fly

11-01-2003, 12:07 PM

Isn't there a sort of "Junior High"-type board he can be sent to?
Doesn't belong with the grownups, obviously.

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ff7wasbest

11-01-2003, 12:54 PM

I don't think you LOSERS realize who you are dealing with. Here is a picture of me so you can know I'm no little scrawny wimp, hope you realize those triceps can crack your head open. http://www.usefilm.com/photos/users/13566/thumbnail/218353.jpg

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high fly

11-01-2003, 01:01 PM

No more posting till your algebra homework is done!

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FUNKMAN

11-01-2003, 01:13 PM

come on ff7, what do you think this is your house or some other dirty place...

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shellcreatives

11-01-2003, 05:15 PM

How odd ff7, I was listening to a Foxworthy CD and could have sworn he was talking about you...
Have a listen.
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TheMojoPin

11-01-2003, 08:09 PM

I'm sure you said nigger, whitey, spic, jew

As an insult? No. Never.

Why does this seem so rare? Doesn't anybody have even an iota of self-control anymore?

These are words that are SPECIFICALLY saying, "I hate you BECAUSE of your race," not, "I'm pissed at YOU for what YOU just did to me." Why would these terms ever come up if you someone jumped you, or you got into a car accident, or someone bumped into you? You've be mad at that ONE person, right? How the fuck does that singular event focused on that ONE person suddenly translate to an entire fucking race or religion or group of people? It's stupid, flat-out, and means EXACTLY what it's supposed to mean and shows EXACTLY what the person using the term actually feels, no matter how much they try and explain around it. "PC" my fucking ass...

Dont teach it to kids and they will figure out on their own what is " right " and what is " wrong ".

Yeah, we've tried that for the last 30 years or so. Hasn't worked out too well.

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11-01-2003, 09:14 PM

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ff7,
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The Chairman

11-01-2003, 11:59 PM

Hmmmm.

I am going to reserve my full diatribe on this topic for later;
it will be interesting to see how this continues to play out.
The post is certainly provocative.

In the meantime, I'll just fillip some crumbs before posting
a loaf:

I believe there are many shades of racism, some more
overtly offensive than others.

I believe people are racist, if not by definition then by
conditioning.

I believe that the overt racism Gina is posting about is
abhorrent, but the more insidious form is that of the
institutional variety. Yeah it would bother me, a person of
"X", race to be called an "X'er" as it would almost always
(either through ignorance or not) be used pejoratively. It's
one thing when some "Y'er" calls me an "X'er" and I pity
them for their ignorance, fear, or anger. But quite another
when a person or group in power provides an ostensible
reason for not promoting, hiring, selecting, including, or
admitting a person when the decision was really driven by
racism as opposed to say, merit. Or as MLK said, the color
of their skin, not the content of their character.

As a white heterosexual male, the issue that affects me
most directly is the increasingly pervasive political
correctness of society. Individuals and groups have added
so much to the PC lexicon and positioned themselves as
such oppressed victims that not a day goes by that I do not
pause to think I might do something to violate any of their
myriad PC tenets.

This is not merely a matter of being sensitive. It borders on
being subsumed by the encumbrance of offending almost
anyone at any time. (I don't dare say my experience is
even remotely tantamount to what it is like to be a
"minority" (there really is no good word to use here). And it
does sometimes bother me when people call me their white
heterosexual existentialist atheist friend and not just their
friend.

But political correctness is getting to the point where the
PC militia is on the verge of a backlash on backlash. At first,
the PC'ers justifiably asked for and received a lot in return.
Now they have grown more vociferous while promoting an
agenda which is increasingly dubious in nature.

The PC Posse has gone too far. They have created a new
minority that has reached its tipping point.

The emasculated self-hating "majority" wants their balls
back.

I assassin down the avenue.

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TheMojoPin

11-02-2003, 09:12 AM

The PC Posse has gone too far.

Observe now as the thread swerves drastically off-course as the unwashed masses now have something to rally behind that's not quite as uncomfortable and makes it easy to feel like a "victim."

"PC" is a nusiance. Racism is a menace. I'm tired of the two being equated as some kind of equal "threat."

And again, the common thought process here seems to be "everyone is a racist to some degree."

No.

Stop speaking for me. I have a mind of my own. And I choose to control as opposed to just throwing up my hands and saying, "oh, it's NATURAL to hate someone at some time because of their skin color or religion...EVERYBODY does it!"

Cop-out nonsense.

And if I'm blunt, I'm sorry, but racism is the one human social aspect I find more offensive, disgusting and horrendous than any other on ANY level. I get bothered, angered and concerned when I see people trying to dismiss it or "explain it away," ESPECIALLY when it's when trying to compare it as some kind of "junior menace to the REAL PROBLEM," PC. I can't possibly fathom how something that ultimately amounts to a severe pain in the ass (PC) is so continually compared to and declared to be a WORSE problem than racism, which, wehther people want to acknowledge it or not, is more than alive and well today and is now being defended, propped up and supported (Whether intentionally or not) by people hiding behind the "striking back against PC"-banner.

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The Chairman

11-02-2003, 12:17 PM

Mojo you have great taste in music.
You are a brilliant writer.
I can go on.

I respect you a lot, although I don't always agree with you. When you have something to say you say it well.

The racism thing was tapped out and I broadened it.

But since switching to a Mac, I think PC's just suck.

In your Universe you clearly see the issues as disjointed sets.

You stick to ~A while I posit a case for A ? B in mine.

I'll give you your ~A because I can't refute it unless you accept my B.

Until we have A ? B, remember De Morgan:

Both

~(A ? B) = ~A ? ~Bÿÿÿ
~(A ? B) = ~A ? ~B

are laws.

That's as far as we're going to get now.

Kaga

I assassin down the avenue.

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11-02-2003, 12:52 PM

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Shit.

He got me.

Salut.

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zoom2457

11-03-2003, 05:14 AM

Racism is a like the Matrix. It's an illusion. By buying into it, and believing it, we make it real, we give it power.

Oh, ok. I'm sure the black man that got dragged behind a truck will be relieved to know that he didn't really die an awful, painful, horrible death because after all, it's just an illusion...

People hate other people for a variety of reasons, the whole racism thing didn't start with our capitalistic society. Racism has been around since the cavemen.

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JimBeam

11-05-2003, 04:22 PM

Its so easy to point to that one incident of the guy being dragged behind the car as the evidence of a broader pattern of racism.
If that was the case, and it was as bad as some of you make it seem, guys would get dragged behind cars every week.
Why is it not racism whrn a black man robs, mugs or assaults a a non-black ?
Is it because " whitey's " had the power all these years and maybe he needs to robbed and muggedfor having so good all these years ?
No, you know why, becuase sometimes people are just criminals and detached from society.
But to say that racism is the worst thing around is ridiculous.
Cancer, leukemia, blindness, Downs Syndrome and about a million other things that strike without thought of race, creed or color are a little bit tougher to deal with, although maybe not as quaint to rally against.

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TheMojoPin

11-05-2003, 05:09 PM

Why is it not racism whrn a black man robs, mugs or assaults a a non-black?

Oh, come on.

Nine times out of ten, someone mugs another person because they want the money, plain and simple. If they choose to rob white people because they assume they'll have more money or items of value, that's racial profiling. Most people do that naturally, whether those that oppose it want to admit it or not. But the truck guys killed the black guy SOLELY because he was black. Their only intention was to kill him BECAUSE he was black (Events like this do happen the other way around as well, though less frequently and they receive far less media coverage). A black mugger will probably end up mugging a non-white person if they have to because they think they need the money. The truck guys weren't going to suddenly decide to drag a white person to death because they couldn't find a black person.

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blakjeezis

11-05-2003, 07:49 PM

Alright, now that I have your attention, I will proceed. Calling racism 'The Matrix' was a short, albeit ham, handed way of trying to convey my point. What I mean is that racism is a mind set, a worldview. Because people in general are highly suggestable, and apparently becoming moreso much to my disappointment, that mindset (racism, remember?) is easy to create and manipulate. By creating and manipulating said mindset, it is simple for those who wish us to not know what they are doing, to distract us. (See above, the story about the woman having children for my example).

the whole racism thing didn't start with our capitalistic society.

I would guess that you are more than likely a white 'conservative' (a gross misrepresentation of real conservatives, I'm sorry) male. This is the latest, neo-conservative (I hate that ) 'anti-PC' mantra. "Racism has been around before us white men, it's part of human nature therefore we cannot be held accountable for it." This is an entirely misguided, although understandable, reaction to being unjustly blamed for "400 years of blood, sweat and tears." (Rza). As long as you can understand that the stories you hear are generated by a system that has bought into the racist ideology wholesale, then you stand a fighting chance.

Before you get bring back the truck dragging incident. Yes it happened, yes it was racially motivated, and yes it was an awful, despicable, horrific act. It just goes to show how powerful and near perfect the system really is. It feeds on itself, it sustains itself. By creating the mindset in the murderers, the system gets a story that keeps the cycle going. Blacks are outraged, black-hating whites are empowered, 'liberal' (once again, I apologize to the real liberals out there) whites are outraged and feel guilty, and everyone's pointing fingers. Meanwhile, Clinton's buddies sell nuclear technology to the Chinese, Murdoch owns more media outlets, and Bush's administration disregards evidence that there's no WMD in Iraq.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, I am well aware that it didn't start with our, and I quote, 'capitalistic' society. It's the nature of our 'capitalistic' society and the competition it creates that makes racism such an effective tool. It's adding extra syllables onto words that makes people effectively tools.

The fact that even those who understand that it's a manipulation still tend to see it as only one-sided, at least that's been my experience, prevents them from seeing the truth. Either you think blacks are held down or whites are held back. Both are true; both are false. True in the sense that they both happen, false in the sense that they are both predicated on a fallacy. It really doesn't matter either way, as long as you believe one of them. I hate to quote Tony Robins but, it is your perception that determines your reality. If you believe neither, and see them for what they actually are, then you've got the battle half won . . . or half lost, I suppose, depending on how you look at it.

Now Mojo, if you would do me the favor of taking this babble and condensing it into a lucid, coherent form, I would be indebted to you.

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TheMojoPin

11-05-2003, 07:54 PM

Now Mojo, if you would do me the favor of taking this babble and condensing it into a lucid, coherent form, I would be indebted to you.

Hey, I thought it made perfect sense. I can only do harm.

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EndangeredFeces

11-05-2003, 07:59 PM

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zoom2457

11-06-2003, 11:24 AM

Blakjeezis,

Why do you insist on trying to label people and guess what kind of person they are? For the record, you're guesses are almost always wrong. Why don't you just take my words at face value, instead of trying to dismiss them because you guess that I'm a conservative white male. You don't know anything about me, you've never met me and yet, you seem very at ease when putting me into a specific category.

This is what racism really is, speculating that you know what kind of a person you're dealing with. And, speculating based on some messages I've left on a radio shows message board.

Speculating without getting to know the person behind the words, or behind the looks, or behind where they live or how they live, etc.

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TheMojoPin

11-06-2003, 02:38 PM

You don't know anything about me, you've never met me and yet, you seem very at ease when putting me into a specific category.

This is what racism really is, speculating that you know what kind of a person you're dealing with.

No, it's not.

Main Entry: racúism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

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East Side Dave

11-06-2003, 02:51 PM

Did anyone ever see that movie with Edward Norton where he plays the racist? It was called American Graffiti and in the movie Norton plays a skin-head. You know what that is? A skin-head is a guy who hates people; like George the Animal Steel, Curly from the Harlem Globetrotters, and Admiral Akbar (they were all skin-heads). Anyway, back to the movie. You see, the plot revolved around this kid played by Edward Furlong who looks up to his brother (Norton) and then a sunglasses-wearing robot from the future vows to protect Furlong. It's a cool movie! Except for the part where Ron Howard dances with Laverne in the gym, I didn't like that part.

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Tall_James

11-06-2003, 03:09 PM

It's a cool movie! Except for the part where Ron Howard dances with Laverne in the gym, I didn't like that part.

But the part I liked was when Harrison Ford was in his hot rod with McKenzie Phillips and Bonnie Franklin and they fell into the pit of snakes.

"I hate Snakes!" he says then he, Schneider and Sean Connery fight the Nazis.

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zoom2457

11-07-2003, 07:24 AM

Did anyone ever see that movie with Edward Norton where he plays the racist? It was called American Graffiti and in the movie Norton plays a skin-head. You know what that is?

Actually, it was called American History X. And yes, it was a good movie.

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zoom2457

11-07-2003, 07:33 AM

Main Entry: racúism; Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-; Function: noun, Date: 1936, 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

How do you get, "No, it's not" from this definition? Racism is using one particular trait (in the case, color) to determine how you feel about them.

You are really just nit picking now. I broaden the definition of racism to prove my point. Would you be more comfortable if I had used the word discrimination instead of racism. (Discrimination being the umbrella that racism falls under).

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2003, 07:43 AM

Because you ARE describing discrimination, NOT racism. The two are not the same.

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zoom2457

11-07-2003, 07:58 AM

Because you ARE describing discrimination, NOT racism. The two are not the same.

Yes, they are the same thing. Racism is discrimination based on race.

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Bestinshow

11-07-2003, 08:37 AM

No, decrimination is someone being mistreated due to their race, regardless of motive. This includes discriminating against someone of the majority because some feel this can correct misdoings of the past, such as affirmative action. So dicrimination can exist with the abscence of malice. Rascism, on the other hand is blind hatred based on creed or color.

Oh, and anybody who feels that rascism exists much stronger as white on black than black on white was never one of the last white people in a black neighborhood.

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2003, 09:35 AM

Oh, and anybody who feels that rascism exists much stronger as white on black than black on white was never one of the last white people in a black neighborhood.

Nobody beats the hatin' whiteys. Being overseas and being white meant I was in the minority vs. EVERYONE, and still the racist white kids made the biggest asses of themselves. I think it's because they can, and too often do, pull the Nazi card and get all Aryan on our asses...

Actually, I wonder if it would be possible to gauge...who has more unspeakably awful and murderous racist hatred, Hitler and his inner circle and Osama bin Laden and his ilk? I say photo-finish...

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zoom2457

11-07-2003, 01:39 PM

Rascism, on the other hand is blind hatred based on creed or color.

Not according to the dictionary.

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blakjeezis

11-07-2003, 07:28 PM

Why do you insist on trying to label people and guess what kind of person they are? For the record, you're guesses are almost always wrong. Why don't you just take my words at face value, instead of trying to dismiss them because you guess that I'm a conservative white male. You don't know anything about me, you've never met me and yet, you seem very at ease when putting me into a specific category.

This is what racism really is, speculating that you know what kind of a person you're dealing with. And, speculating based on some messages I've left on a radio shows message board.

Speculating without getting to know the person behind the words, or behind the looks, or behind where they live or how they live, etc.

First off, a guess by its very nature implies a degree of unsurety. If I had said, "You are, without a doubt, a white, conservative male," you might have had a gripe. I said that because the cop out that racism has always existed is something that I've heard many a white male say. I even said it myself a few times in my younger days, before I really thought things through. Since you didn't say whether or not you are what I guessed you to be, the point is still up in the air. If I'm right, go me - someone put a mark in my column please; if not, it doesn't make my point any less valid. Whether or not you are black, white, red, or green is really ancillary to my argument.

Secondly, I did not at all dismiss your words. I took them very seriously. The fact that you said them and the point you were making is at the very heart of my argument. I would never dismiss anyone's opinion on anything. Just because it's ignorant, misinformed, incorrect, misguided, and wrong doesn't mean you're not entitled to it. What I will do is work like the dickens (wha?) to try and change it.

You say you don't want me to gather meaning from your words. Then why post? Your words, at least on this particular topic, if you're posting seriously which it seems you are, are a window into your way of thinking. If you can't handle the fact that someone is going to make a judgement of you based on what you say, then you either should stick to the game forum or think a little harder before clicking the 'Reply to Topic' button.

This is the reason I usually avoid the political discussions on the board, not because I have no opinions, not because I can't hang, but because some jackasses learned their debating skills from an MTV 'Rock the Vote' special. Instead of using the old 'you're labeling' strategy, why don't you really stun me and use the 'Well that's my opinion and opinions can't be wrong' line? That'll really punch an enormous hole in my argument. While we should be talking about the merits and errors of our respective viewpoints, we're wasting time and energy, at least I am, on why I can't have a discussion with you. I've been brought down to the level of attacking you instead of your position. Hold on, wait, maybe this is a political discussion after all.

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2003, 07:59 PM

I'm not sure how it happened, but bj is somehow running for President.

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zoom2457

11-08-2003, 02:29 PM

You say you don't want me to gather meaning from your words. Then why post? Your words, at least on this particular topic, if you're posting seriously which it seems you are, are a window into your way of thinking. If you can't handle the fact that someone is going to make a judgement of you based on what you say, then you either should stick to the game forum or think a little harder before clicking the 'Reply to Topic' button.

You assumed that I was a conservative white male so that you could completely dismiss my opinion. That is my objection. That you believe that conservative white males are ALWAYS a certain way. It's the same thing as someone saying that African American people ALWAYS steal things.

Assuming ALWAYS is never a good thing.

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swiss miss

11-08-2003, 02:52 PM

I am. i am an awful racist, if your darker than me, then i really dont like you, in fact.....if you are darker than me OR not aryan and your reading this, please either tie yourself to a truck, or crawl in an oven.....racist? in a neutral kinda way.

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Butters

11-09-2003, 08:46 AM

If i hate everyone equally I'm safe right?

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TheMojoPin

11-09-2003, 09:23 AM

That you believe that conservative white males are ALWAYS a certain way. It's the same thing as someone saying that African American people ALWAYS steal things.

Not to fall on either side personally, but to clarify, it's NOT the same thing. He was making a direct assumtpion about YOU, not about white conservative males in general. It would be the same if he was posting in response to a black poster on the board and said directly to them that they were probably someone who "always steals things", NOT if he said it about black people in general.

If i hate everyone equally I'm safe right?

Yes, Butters. The "South Park rule" is in full effect.

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zoom2457

11-10-2003, 06:30 AM

I've said in a previous post, that racism has been around since the caveman. This doesn't mean that I condone racism. Or think that it's not worth fighting, or that I believe we should give up. It was to show how hard it is to combat. It's been a part of the world for a long, long time.

Racism is not an illusion, the pain and destruction that racism causes is real. The beliefs that racism is based on, however, is the illusion. (Perhaps this is what you meant.)

I've heard racists (more than one) say that black people aren't human, therefore, they don't deserve any rights. How can you (the collective you, not you personally) change their minds? Where did this belief even come from? Do they really believe this, or is this a convenient way to put an entire race of people down? This is what we are up against.

All this "political correctness" is bullshit. The only thing it accomplishes is to push racism and all the other isms behind closed doors. When it's behind these doors, it's almost impossible to fight, because you never know where it is.

I've also linked religion and racism in a previous post. This is the one aspect of racism that I really hate. It's not that I find other aspects of racism ok, it's because it is the epitome of hippocracy. I wasn't bashing religion at all, I was bashing the racists that try to hide behind it. But, don't get me started on religion, that could go on forever.

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shamus mcfitzy

11-10-2003, 06:42 AM

If i hate everyone equally I'm safe right?

oh then i'm safe. I make racist comments but i go after everyone. I think i hate people. I'm a racist against the human race. I hope we're all attacked by jaguars.

Bestinshow

11-10-2003, 09:03 AM

Political correctness is a bunch of bullshit. It is people doing things because society dictates it, not because they feel its right. Just like there are a wealth of white liberals who love to get on a soap box, yet they live in lilly white neighborhoods and are guilty of the same things they are spewing about. (See Hollywood). And finally, why is discrimination reserved for minorities? Why is it reverse discrimination if someone is discriminated against for being white? This isnt discrimination in reverse. That implies only white people discriminate. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what color the victim is.

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TheMojoPin

11-10-2003, 09:03 PM

And finally, why is discrimination reserved for minorities? Why is it reverse discrimination if someone is discriminated against for being white? This isnt discrimination in reverse. That implies only white people discriminate. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what color the victim is.

Of course. But all discrimination is not made equal. Let's be clear on that...as I've said, I'm exceptionally worried over sentiments like this (Whether purposely malicious or not) because it sounds like people are just assuming that it's equal footing on all sides, and it's obviously NOT. Whites are nowhere near being discriminated against as compared to any other minority in this country. It's not even in the same ballpark. That does make it RIGHT...but it is NOT equal.

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blakjeezis

11-10-2003, 09:38 PM

the whole racism thing didn't start with our capitalistic society. Racism has been around since the cavemen.

Okay, you got me. I'll bite. Racism has been around since the cavemen. So now what? What does this prove? Does it make racism okay, acceptable, palatable? Are you saying you condone it because it is apparently part of human nature? What point, exactly, are you trying to make here? Please, edify me.

Edit: Know what? I hold myself in contempt of this thread. I am indeed guilty of not reading thouroughly. For shame!! I won't edit my question out though, because that would be dishonest or something.

That being said, you still didn't answer my question, although I did post it after you answered it, so I guess that would make sense. What you did say is that racism has been around for a long time so it's difficult to combat. That I agree with. I'm not saying we shouldn't fight it, I'm just saying that we need to fight the right people. The system indoctrinates us to believe that we are each others' enemies. More and more we are being separated. The fallacy of multiculturalism is exactly what it says. It divides us into multiple cultures, instead of uniting us under a common 'flag'. Yes there is room for all of us at this great nation's table, but we're the ones being feasted on. By making us fight amongst ourselves for the scraps, those carving the meat get to keep the best cuts. Regardless of color. 'Celebrating our differences' serves only to make us believe we shouldn't mingle.

Those 'Stupid White Men' as Michael Moore likes to refer to them are far from stupid. By labeling them in such a way, he's actually playing their game. It creates an idea that all whites are getting more than we deserve, but we look at ourselves and say, "Hey, I'm working my ass off the same as you, harder even. Why aren't I getting support and welfare and WIC and subsidized housing?" Which is what we're shown of the black, and other minority communities. But this is really nothing that I haven't said before.

Dismiss it if you like; return to the world where Affirmative Action is the devil or Jesse Jackson cares about something more than his next 'donation' whichever is your preferred brand of vodka and Kool-Aid. Play by the rules and you'll probably win the game. I don't know.

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