Yankee Off Season Moves Thread

[Heavy]

Time to start rebuilding. I never lost the feeling most Yankee fans had all year. We should be better with the talent we have, and the bullpen sucks. I thought any team could beat us, besides the Red Sox. It's a miracle we made it to within 2 wins of a title this year, with almost no clutch hitting and no bullpen besides Rivera. We can fix some of these things with the right off season moves and having one team come out as a unit from spring training on.

1b-DH-Giambi is a lock and Johnson mightbe dealt

2b-We need a solid defensive 2nd baseman that doesnt really need to be an offensive wiz, but he should at least be able to work a count for Christs sake. Soriano should be traded to L.A fr that reliever if we can get him. I dont give a fuck how many homeruns he hits in the regular season, it doesnt mean shit.

SS-Jeter is a lock

3b-Boone should stay. That HR goes a long way for me. Maybe with an off-season and complete spring training he'll settle into his role and he'll be able to field a fucking ground ball once in awhile. I've heard we might get Tejada and put him at third, but that guys a fucking bumb when it counts and he had a lousy season last year too.

RF-Dunno. I like Karim. He might be good enough. If Juan doesnt play everyday he should be traded, he can play everyday somewhere and we can get something decent in return. Either piss or get off the pot with these right fielders, we have 4 of them.

CF-Bernie. I think he's a lock but he shouldnt be. I want to punch him everytime a ball drops 2 feet in front of him. Maybe its time to get somebody that knows how to bend over and put the glove out, or maybe its time to switch him with Matsui.

LF- Matsui-lock, unless he moves to center.

C- Jorge Posadamaggio (thats mine)-lock. One thing, block the fucking plate.

Pitchers:
Clemens-gone
Wells-Gone
Weaver-Die
Pettite- Sign him
Mussina-lock
Contrares-start him
Colon-Get him
Milwood-maybe

Bullpen-dump everybody except Rivera, Gabe White
and maybe Nelson.

Torre-Lock.

Anybody know a place with all free-agents listed?


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[BoondockSaint]

I think the Yankees should be contracted.

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[Heavy]

Who should contact them, smartass?

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[BoondockSaint]

Um, maybe guys looking to be bench coachs should contact them since Zim said he's gone. You want to talk about Pedro treating Zim like shit? Zim said he was quiting because of Steinbrenner. He said all he wanted for the last 10 months was to be treated like a human being and he wasn't. He also said he's not retireing. So maybe he's the bench coach for whoever is going to be the new Sox manager?

[HBox]

Here's a partial list of the top guys (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=1608256)

I would go after the Japanese SS Kazuo Matsui and put him at second. I'd try to trade for a #1 pitcher because I don't like any of the top free agent pitchers. I'd be willing to trade Soriano and Johnson, but I want a TRUE #1. If I had to choose one of the free agents, I'd take Millwood over Colon.

I'd go after Guerrero. No guarantee he wants to come here, but you gotta try, and if you raise the price for someone else to sign him, then that's good.

Resigning Pettite is a given.

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Weaver-Die


Amen to that. Not to be mean or anything, but he just SUCKS. He has great potential, but he always seems to ruin it. He should be traded and/or sent to a farm club.

I agree with a majority of your list. I think Johnson is a definite lock. And I dunno about Boone. Yea, he did come through during Game 7 of the ALCS, but that's overshadowed by the errors and crappy hitting he's had. Not saying that he isn't a good player, but he isn't amazing either.

I hope to God that they actually decide to use Sojo. I mean, they have him, so why don't they fuckin' use him instead of having him eat sunflower seeds all day and warm the bench. Put him over at third. He knows what to do.

Garcia is really good. Keep him. Contrares started off a little iffy in the year, but he's really come around. He's gonna be a key player next year.

Pitching needs a whole new makeover, now that a good chunk of it is going. If the pitching isn't good, there is no way in hell the Yanks will make next year's playoffs, let alone the series.

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[fluffernutter]

All I can say is you don't want Millwood. Yeah he had a nice first half along wth the no-hitter for my Phils but the last half was horrid. he is a nice pitcher. Thats about it. He is NO ace by any means and his control is very sporadic. Then again, you want him, take him, we sure as hell don't need his srvices any more. Plus I hear he wants back in Atlanta in the worst way.

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[HBox]

Remember, next year Steve Karsay will be back. That will be huge for the bullpen. And Jon Lieber will be back too. He's a former twenty game winner.

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[BoondockSaint]

Remember, next year Steve Karsay will be back. That will be huge for the bullpen. And Jon Lieber will be back too. He's a former twenty game winner.

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[Bama]

I totally agree with you Clark Kent. They'll probably just buy the Marlins after the inevitable fire sale.

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[Clark Kent]

Part of the reason all non-Yankee fans hate the Yankees is that they will come back from this loss by adding every star they can pluck from losing, low-budget teams. Most teams add a second baseman and a reliever, whereas the Yanks will add Guerrero, Vidro, and Colon. Then again, that's what makes watching them lose so damn sweet.

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[BoondockSaint]

[quote]Part of the reason all non-Yankee fans hate the Yankees is that they will come back from this loss by adding every star they can pluck from losing, low-budget teams. Most teams add a second baseman and a reliever, whereas the Yanks will add Guerrero, Vidro, and Colon. Then again, that's what makes watching them lose so damn sweet.

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[Heavy]

All this fat bastard could talk about today was Sorianos numbers over the last few years. WHO GIVES A FUCK!!! We dont need some prick that puts up big numbers during the regular season then shits himself once the real season starts! Hes making less then a mill next year and hes the one big guy we dont need AND can actually trade to some team for one of their big pitchers that will be a free agent soon. GET OFF MY TEAM SORIANO!!!!

And I keep hearing about Schilling coming over this off season.

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[Reephdweller]

Okay, it's time for my predictions for the Yankees.
These may sound crazy but I think I'll ultimately be right.

Joe Torre - Will not return as manager, I got the sense watching him this year that he wants to move on to something else, maybe another team. I definitely noticed it in the post season and after they lost the World Series.

Don Zimmer - I believe he's also gone. Once Torre goes, Zimmer goes.

Mel Stottlemeyer - I believe Mel is going to be gone as well. The bullpen needs to be rebuilt aside from Rivera and I think they will start with the pitching coach.

Don Mattingly - I believe after watching Don Mattingly watching these games in the post season that he will be a part of the Yankees organization (or another teams organization) either as a coach or possibly as a manager.

As for players, I think the following will be gone

David Wells - Gone
Aaron Boone - Gone
Nick Johnson - Gone
Alphonso Soriano - Gone...unless he learns to hit in the post season
Most of the Yankees bullpen as well. Jeff Nelson may survive it.

I could be wrong about all of this, but we'll see.

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[ChickenHawk]

Don Zimmer - I believe he's also gone. Once Torre goes, Zimmer goes.
Zim's going no matter what. If anything, Zimmer's gonna go before Torre goes.

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[Reephdweller]

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Grady Little considered to manage the Yankees.

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[ChickenHawk]

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Grady Little considered to manage the Yankees.
George Steinbrenner is in Viscious Mode. He's probably made the lives of each and every Yankee MISERABLE for the last 3 days. When he loses like this, he seriously goes insane and will spend whatever it takes to get the Yankees to another Championship. I'm saying this just to clarify that he's definitely not gonna go with a loser to manage his team next season.

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[Reephdweller]

I'm saying this just to clarify that he's definitely not gonna go with a loser to manage his team next season.



I hardly think Grady Little is a loser. Granted he made a mistake in the 9th inning, but he is not a loser. He completely rebuilt the Red Sox into a very impressive ballclub. No one can take that away from him. That said, if you want to rebuild the Yankees you will need someone with his ability. All rivalries aside, from the standpoint of business I think it makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised to see him considered for the role.

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[Tall_James]

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Grady Little considered to manage the Yankees.

I've heard it said on Boston sports radio that it wouldn't be surprising to see Grady Little replacing Zimmer as bench coach for the Yankees.


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[ChickenHawk]

Yeah I don't think Grady is a loser either. I think it's pretty stupid that they let him go because of one bad move in the clutch. but what I'm saying is, in the burning eyes of Steinbrenner, Grady Little is second best in the ALCS. His current manager beat Grady Little, so to pick up Grady would be a downgrade. That's the last thing he's willing to do right now.

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[Heavy]

Joe Torre - Will not return as manager

He's not going anywhere. George wouldnt fire him with the Boston job open, and hes under contract so he cant just quit and go somewhere else. Besides he been blessed by the Yankees. Think he wouldve won shit anywhere else?

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[Reephdweller]

He's not going anywhere. George wouldnt fire him with the Boston job open, and hes under contract so he cant just quit and go somewhere else. Besides he been blessed by the Yankees. Think he wouldve won shit anywhere else?



I never said he's fire him, I just think he's going to decide on his own to try something else. I got the sense that it was becoming repetitive for him to be with the same club and keep winning all the time. He's done everything possible and I think he wants to move on. I'm not wishing this, it's just a sense I get.

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[HBox]

Would you people lay off Soriano? He's hit in the postseason before. He had game winning hits in the 2001 postseason and nearly won Game 7 versus the Diamondbacks. He took a Curt Schilling fastball, which nobody else on the team could touch, which was way off the plate and blasted a HR. He's an incredible talent, and the only way you could trade him is if you get an Ace. And I'm not talking Javier Vazquez, I'm talking a pitcher the quality of a Roy Halladay or a Mark Prior.

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[Heavy]

I never said he's fire him, I just think he's going to decide on his own to try something else




He's not going anywhere. George wouldnt fire him with the Boston job open, and hes under contract so he cant just quit and go somewhere else


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[JerryTaker]

Part of the reason all non-Yankee fans hate the Yankees is that they will come back from this loss by adding every star they can pluck from losing, low-budget teams.


Isn't that what the Mets have been doing for the past 5 years? The reason Yankee Haters are as such is because of Jealosy, even the Mets back office suffers from this, and they try to emulate the Yankees.
What nobody understands is that the Yankees' way of doing things under Steinbrenner doesn't work without locking the team up and not making any trades for a couple of years and letting the farm system bring up a good core team.

I'd be very surprised if the Yanks win another world series in this run before dropping into another ten or so years of mediocraty, and by then Stienbrenner will be gone.


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Interesting article from CNN/SI. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/tom_verducci/10/28/insider/index.html)

And as I said in the "Grady Little... YOU'RE FIRED!!!" (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/33383/page/Grady_Little____YOU_RE_FIRED___.htm) thread, Joe Torre will NOT go to Boston. He is not going to want to deal with Pedro and Manny -- especially after Game 3 of the ALCS.

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[Heavy]

Rick Down, YOURE FIRED!

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even if they need to ask him to move, he would do it

They would NEVER ask Jeter to move!! And you suggest Their only great infielder move positions for Miguel fucking Tejada! Get a grip cowboy. Lets use the brain on this one

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[A.J.]

Here's another Cuban defector the Yanks can go after (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1650976)

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[Tall_James]

Whatever happened to Steve Nebraska?


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[Heavy]

Rodriguez, a 24-year-old right-hander, is one of Cuba's top pitchers and his fastball is said to regularly top 100 mph


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[Heavy]

Damn it

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[Heavy]

Donnie Baseball he new hitting coach.

The Yankees hung No. 23 in Monument Park six years ago. Tuesday, they will put it back into play, as Don Mattingly is expected to be named as the team's new hitting coach. (http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/news/nyy_news.jsp?ymd=20031104&content_id=598569&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nya)

It will be nice to see The Don back in the dugout and I guess he'll be as good a coach as anybody else could be. congrats on the gig Don, you'll be a lot harder to fire then Rick Down when Soriano doesnt hit next year :l

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I think we all know how much I hat quadrupal posting in my own threads, but his should be reported. Apparently Houston leting Wagner go has someone realizing that 1) they cut salary 2) They let a pitcher go 3) They are in Texas, so putting 1 and 2 together has someone figure out they will make a big run at pettite! WHy havnt you even signed this guy yet! Whats the hold up George!

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Press Conference about to start....Wow, Randolph moves from third to take Zims job and Mazilli moves from 1st to third and Sojo takes over as 1st base coach. Oh My Word!!

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How to Rebuild the Yankees (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/schoenfield/031104.html)

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[shamus mcfitzy]

Nick Johnson and Arizona's Danny Bautista go to St. Louis, Edmonds and Schilling go to New York and Alfonso Soriano and Jeff Weaver go to Arizona.


something else would have to happen to make this work. The D-Backs would either have to completely go with a younger is better philosophy or the Cards would have to give up a prospect or something to give to them.

and if Tejada comes to town, although i think it's wrong, he'd be moving to third.

[fluffernutter]

From everything I haveheard money talk and negotiating doesn't star until November 9th.

Can this thread also be used to talk about other baseball off season moves since there are not all Yankee fans represented here? If not, I'll just spout off in here.

We got a STUD reliever for the first time since Steve Bedrosian. YAY!

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[Heavy]

Mike Stanton?

I fully support talking about the Phillies' off season moves, what do they need to get over the hump?!?!

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[fluffernutter]

No, we got Billy Wagner! YAY! Having a 1-2-3 9th during a Phillies game is going to be very VERY Strange!

Well, as much as I would love an Ace like Pettite, it will either be back with the Yanks or possibly Texas. Houston is dumping salary and probably won't go there but stranger things have happened.

The big talk down here is that Javier Vasquez or Bartolo Colon are very good possibilities to the staff ace. I am hoping for Vasquez since Colon looks to be held by the White Sox and has a few years on Vasquez. We are also talking Curt Schilling down here as he was in town recently on WIP talking how he wants to come back and Arizona is doing a salary dump as well. I'll take him if we lose Millwood. If we hold onto Millwood, which is doubtful cause, he stank up the month of September. He is NO ace but a nice 2 or 3 in the rotation. I think there was too much pressure on the guy going down the stretch and this picture from the final series in Florida will forever stick in my mind.

Sitting on a stool waiting to bat in the TOP of the 6th inning. Sitting on a FUCKING STOLL! You gotta be kidding me! The guy is OUT OF SHAPE!

Anyway, our line up is pretty solid. We just have to get Burrell hitting again, Jimmy Rollins and Bobby Abreu striking out less. I would take a Jay Gibbons (orioles) or a Miguel Tejada (A's) to replace those two in heartbeat. Abreu will never be traded cause the Phils management is in love with the guy and he is Ed Wade's legacy to the team. BULLSHIT! Bobby plays for himself. PERIOD! Rollin's has a lot of potential but when he is asked if he is going to work on bunting in the off season and he says he doesn't think he needs help in that area and you clearly saw into he World Series even how Juan Pierre and other Marlins can kill you with the small ball, I think that speaks volumes about Rollins. I have not totally given up on Rollins or Abreu yet as they are nice players, "nice" players, not the pick of the litter.

Besides that we are in good shape and I just hope the new park is open by April 3, which is the first of 2 games against the Indians. The sod got laid yesterday and should be ready but the rest of the stadium doesn't look like it will make it. I am no construction whiz but it just looks bleak.

You can be your ass though; I will be there to see my beloved Vet get blown up. It will be like losing an old friend.

The way it stands with Montreal is this, if Guererro signs with another team (he is very high on staying in Montreal) then Vasquez will stay with the Expos. If Vlad stays like I hinted to, then Vasquez will leave. Because of the situation in Montreal with MLB owning the team they can only hold onto one. Personally and I am trying to keep my bias out of this cause I love the Expos, they have a good amount of pitchers already and can put Hernandez in as the ace and have a Tomo Ohka or Zach Day as a strong number two man. Montreal has some serious power in its line up already and keeping Vlad will only solidify them as a contender with the Fish and the Phils next year. I say Vlad stays and help to not only keep Montreal afloat but maybe make things really interesting up there.


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[Heavy]

Having a 1-2-3 9th during a Phillies game is going to be very VERY Strange!

Untill you meet the Yanks in the WS! (elbow)

You guys got 12 mil next year for Schilling? Becasue if You dont, I know somebody that does!

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[fluffernutter]

I mean of course the Yanks have more money than anyone. I am not going to take jabs at the Yanks as much as I loathe. You are right about that casue every other team (it seems) always kills us in the 9th. No one can touch Rivera. From what I have heard, I wouldn't want to. (elbow elbow)

I just question how much Schill has left in him. He is due for a big year next year. Time will tell.

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[Heavy]

The Orioles will officially name Yankees coach Lee Mazzilli as their 15th manager at a press conference at Camden Yards on Friday afternoon, after signing him to a two-year contract. (http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/news/nyy_news.jsp?ymd=20031107&content_id=600351&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nya)

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And not only is lee mazilli manager of the O's, but now Schilling to Boston is all the rage today on the FAN. Now apparently if its not done within 72 hours, then the Yankees sink their jaws. Now if they dont get Schilling they will get A-Rod, which in turn will force the Yanks to get Matsui and Sheffield......causing Boston to feel nervous and to sign Guerraro

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[shamus mcfitzy]

i think that Schilling and A-Rod could both wind up with Boston, with the Yankees getting Sheff, Matsui, and EVERYONE else. Any one of worth will be signed up then by the Yankees. If A-Rod is traded I could see Pettite then going to Texas though.

[Heavy]

Why the hell would Pettite go to Texas if A-Rod goes to boston?

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[shamus mcfitzy]

why the hell wouldn't he? Pettite originally wanted to go to Texas, not Houston. I just would think that the Rangers would be more eager to go after Pettite if they got rid of A-Rod.

[Heavy]

Why wouldnt he? Because hes a Yankee and Texas sucks. He lives near Houston anyway. Speaking of which, Houston offered him 30 mil for 3 years. HAHAHA!! And a report says the Yanks are prepared to humiliate that offer with like 13 mil a year for 4 years. I BRING THE NEWS

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[hamcunt]

I too bring news...

Red Sox meet with Schilling (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20031126&content_id=609103&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

All of this after Schilling stated he didn't want to pitch for Boston because it was a "fly ball" Ballpark. This really has the potential for disaster if Francona becomes manager cause he is just awful.

Sheffield meets with Yankees (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20031125&content_id=608623&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

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[Heavy]

Hamcut, as usual youre there with key pieces of information.

How this sound...

1 ss- Jeter
2 1b- Johnson
3 dh- Giambi
4 rf- Sheffield
5 rf- Williams
6 cf- H Matsui
7 C- Posada
8 2b- K Matsui
9 3b- Boone


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[Heavy]

And here are your starters...

Moose
Pettite
Colon
Maddux
Vasquez
Wells
Lieber

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[fluffernutter]

Thank goodnes it's not Vlad! Thank goodness. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1674675)

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[Heavy]

Yea my sources are telling me SHeffield AND Tom Gordon will be signed within the next few days

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[Heavy]

Aaron Boone signed for one year. Perfect move. If he fails this year, then hes gone.

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[Heavy]

Yankees ink Enriqeaui WIlson to a one year deal.

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[ADF]

Yea my sources are telling me SHeffield AND Tom Gordon will be signed within the next few days


You must be in the Jerome-Zone. And why the heck would the Yankees need seven starters?

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[ADF]

1 ss- Jeter
2 1b- Johnson
3 dh- Giambi
4 rf- Sheffield
5 rf- Williams
6 cf- H Matsui
7 C- Posada
8 2b- K Matsui
9 3b- Boone


That's a great lineup... for the opposing team! Just hit it to left and you're golden.

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[Heavy]

You must be in the Jerome-Zone. And why the heck would the Yankees need seven starters?

Trust me, theyll be signed soon enough. And they need 7 starters because at least 2 of them will be less then perfect and theyll wind up in the pen

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[ADF]

There's no way the Yankees will sign Colon, Pettite, Maddux, trade for Vazquez, <i>and</i> keep Wells.

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[Heavy]

Why not? I dont think they will, but they certianly could

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[ADF]

Because there's no need. If you don't think they'll get all those starters, why did you post it in the first place?

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[Heavy]

Because there's no need.

No need? Watch Yankee baseball this year?



why did you post it in the first place?

I asked how it sounded. I would feel safe going into the season with those dudes on my team. Perhaps other people would want Milwood too, i dont know.

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[ADF]

Clearly, what baseball needs is for the Yankees to have a four hundred million dollar payroll and make the regular season moot.

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[Heavy]

Regular season has been moot for years. I'm not too concerned with whats best for baseball as a whole anyway. That being said:

New York will send first baseman Nick Johnson, outfielder Juan Rivera and reliever Randy Choate to Montreal in exchange for Vazquez.

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[keithy_19]

Bad move. Sur ethe yanks get a good pitcher, but Johnson has potential to be a great hitter.

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As far as my loyalty goes, this trade bothers me.

Nick Johnson should've been a Yankee for years to come.

As far as getting a quality pitcher goes, this was a brilliant trade. Vasquez is sick. His walk/strike ratio is phenomenal. He's young.

I'm just afraid Nick will turn into an amazing, steady hitter and I'll cry.

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[Heavy]

Its a shame. We just traded our first baseman as far as i'm concerned. Yes Vasquez is top of the line as far as available pitchers go, but there is something extra to be said for the home made players. Now we need to find another first baseman to play at first 80 games plus the post-season? Forget about it. I'd rather of traded the non-fielding, non-pitch taking, non-performing in the post season Soriano instead of NJ.

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[IrishAlkey]

Soriano gets one more chance to stop swinging at pigeons now that Mattingly is the hitting coach.

As far as the trade goes, it's not cut and dry, no matter how you look at it.

They needed another pitcher to fill the rotation.

They haven't even signed Andy yet.

They picked up a damn good one and with the money they throw around, it's not like they won't pick up a position player during the year, or before the playoffs to fill in the gaps.

Yet, I'm still reminded of how pissed I was when they let go of J.T. Snow.

Can't have 'em all...

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[Heavy]

Speaking of pitching, the Yanks are close to signing David Wells to a one-year deal. Good news.

Now the deal that seemed so certain just a week ago now looks les certian. Apparently George had an issue with some prospects or something , then Sheffield reportedly asked for more money then was agreed apon. You heard it here first

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[IrishAlkey]

I heard they're having a problem signing David because of some clause that deals with his weight/conditioning.

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[Heavy]

A lots happened since this thing died. Pettites gone, Wells is gone. Soriano is gone, thank God and we have Brown in the starting rotation. Even with losing Pettie which killed me, I still think the pitching is about the same and maybe better. For all the history with Pettite, lets face it, he stunk half the time in the post season. He had A Lot of shitty games.

Heres A mock line-up for opening day:

HR RBI AVG
1. Lofton 12 46 .296
2. Jeter 10 52 .324
3. A-Rod 47 118 .298
4. Giambi 41 107 .250
5. Sheffield 39 132 .330
6. Williams 15 64 .263
7. Matsui 16 106 287
8. Posada 30 101 .281
9. 2nd Baseman

I hope that layed out right. Heres the starting rotation and closer:

Mussina 17-9 3.54
Contrares 7-2 3.30
Vazquez 13-12 3.24
Brown 14-9 2.39
Lieber 0-0 0.00

Rivera 5-2 1.66


Now the records of the new guys is misleading now that theyre on the Yankees. With this years line-up, one could assume Mussinas record would have been better last year. If you compare the ERA of the new guys to Contreras and mussina, youll see that the=ier records would have been uch better if they played for the Yanks last year, and now the Yankkes are more powerful this year. With last years ERA, one could assume Brown and Vazquez could both be around 20- 23 wins this year.


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[RF Godfather]

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[Heavy]

Yes RFM, it is disturbing. The pitching aint bad either. While I'm on the subject of pitching, we're gonna get Maddux wihtin a few days according to Schmooze.

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[Heavy]

Ok, it's this time of year again. A lot of the stuff I said last year still stands. Our bullpen sucks. Even with Gordan and Quantrill, Mo is still over worked and he's the only one that can be counted on. I like sturtz though. Lets get right into this again

1b- Ditch all 3 of them. I'll think of a trade in awhile. Delgados a free agent but let him suck on some other team. Yanks should pay 3/4 of Giambis contract and ship him somewhere for ....anything.

2b- Cairo. Hes fine, stick with him. Maybe sign Nomar and play him there.

ss- Jeter, lock.

3b- A-rod, lock.

C- Posada, lock. Bring up this Diaz guy and let him play instead of flaherty. He's young and we need to know if he can play in the bigs. We need someone worth while to rest Jorge towards the end of the season or in series' like this one, without his replacement sucking.

RF- Sheff. Hes signed so hes a lock, but I wish he wasnt. He's old and hes hurt, but still a lock.

CF- Lofton-gone
Bernie- DH
Beltran- LOCK

LF- Matsui- Lock

Pitching
1) Mussina- Lock
2) Vazquez - Lock
3) Lieber- Lock
4) Brown- Kill him- GONE
5) Loiza- Gone
6) The Duke- Keep him around
7) Milton- Sign him
8) Pavano- Sign him
9) Percival- Sign him

The big problem here is Giambi. Hes got 4 years left at like, 20 mill a piece or some shit, and he's worthless. They gotta bite the bullet cause Bernie needs to DH everyday.

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[ChickenHawk]

FUCK THIS MAN, just start a new thread. No point in diggin' up year-old threads so I have to click on page 3 to get to the most recent posts.

Mo is still over worked and he's the only one that can be counted on.
Counted on??? Did you WATCH this year's ALCS?

3 outs from a sweep, dude...


2b- Cairo. Hes fine, stick with him. Maybe sign Nomar and play him there.
Let's try to take this seriously.

Vazquez - Lock
How is Vazquez a lock? He's our worst starter, especially in the 2nd half of the season.

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[spoon]

Here, I'll sum it all up for you. The Yankees will buy all the pitching (Pavano and Morris), deal for The Unit, and buy anything else they need. Hell I already heard they want Vidro from the "expos" or whatever they're called. Point being that they'll hide their mistakes and buy another AL East pennant. WHO FUCKING CARES! The Yankees were never a Dynasty, they were and will continue to be a MONOPOLY!

Quote of the Year - John Sterling (Game #6)

All excited and shouting loudly during the second inning with Posada at bat. "IT IS HIGH, IT IS LONG, ITTTTTTTT ISSSSSSSSSSS.....caught by Trott Nixon! "

AHAHAHAHAHAhahahaahahahahahaa! Douche Bag!

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[ChickenHawk]

Spoon, if you have nothing to contribute, go to another thread.

Also, Wadd - You did not mention anything about the management side of things.

Cashman - gone
Torre - gone
Stottlemyre - lock
Willie Randolph - managing the Mets, gone
Mattingly - lock

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[Heavy]

Counted on??? Did you WATCH this year's ALCS?


Got another closer in baseball you want on your team to close out post season games?

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[ChickenHawk]

Gagne, but he's not going anywhere.

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[spoon]

That's my contribution and if you don't like it suck it!
What do you want me to do, fake my feelings on the thread topic? All I wrote will probably happen too. For one of the bad asses on the board you sure sound like a teacher or mother having a sitdown with an energetic 5th grader. Please.

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[Heavy]

I'm at fault.


Cashman - gone
Torre - gone
Stotlemeyer - lock
Willie Randolph - managing the Mets, gone
Mattingly - lock


Cashman- He'll stay. none of his moves are the reason we lost.
Torre- Lock
Stot- Lock
Willie- Lock unless hired somewhere else
Don- Lock

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[spoon]

And I agree with Wadd on the rest!

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[ChickenHawk]

Dude, Torre is DONE.

He wasn't even sure he'd come back THIS season, and he just barely did.

This Yankee team just choked worse than any team in sports. After managing the first team in baseball history to drop a 3-0 lead, there's no way he's coming back.

And Spoon, when did I become a board badass? I don't think I said anything that outrageous.

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[Heavy]

You think he's getting fired or what?



All I wrote will probably happen too


No chance in most of what you said happening.

And Hawk, View your threads in pages of 100 instead of 25. you'll hardly ever have a page 2 or 3 then.

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[spoon]

Outside of the Vidro thing, most will. Perhaps not these players exactly, but they buy whoever they want. Their like the Red Wings in hockey. I bet they get Pavano and another huge pitcher. Go after a speedy infielder for second and perhaps a new cf.

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[Heavy]

theyre not gonna buy "whoever they want", but besides that how does what you said just now differ from what i said?

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[ChickenHawk]

Torre was saying he'll stop managing when he wakes up and decides he's not having fun anymore. And at the end of last season, he said he'd leave it up in the air whether or not he'd come back. He came back.

After the absolute LASHING Steinbrenner is gonna give the organization tomorrow, Torre is gonna call it quits.


Another thing that hasn't been mentioned:

PEDRO.

When he stepped onto the field today in the 7th, it was the begining of the end of his career on the Red Sox. He literally came out there to get acquainted with the Yankee fans. The guy let up 2 runs and allowed 4 baserunners in about 8 minutes on the field. The crowd, even though they were taken out of the game, continued chanting "Who's Your Daddy?!" as Pedro stood there and let the Yankees be his daddies one more time. The guy is a scumbag who doesn't give a shit about team spirit. He will go to the highest bidder. Whether he wins a ring this year or not, Pedro wants to be a Yankee.

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[spoon]

Your insane! And that was the same idea. I hope your right though. Bc if you recall the team the hankees put out there for the last series against the blue jays..... That's the team you'd have minus the pitchers they already bought. Most starters don't belong there. They take most smaller teams BEST players (and bigger) and still can't win. $180 million plus! Yah baby.

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Mussina (best Oriole)
Giambi (best A)
Vasquez (best Expo pitcher)
Brown (best Dodger starter)
Quantril (best middle reliever when with the Jays)
Weaver (best Tiger pitcher)
Knochblach (sp) (best twin at the time)
Arod (best player in the AL)
Shef (best player Braves)
Matsui (best player Japan)
Soriano (best player Cuban defective)

Some of these are a little of a stretch, but imagine the Twins with this type money and ability to cover up errors and problems.

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[Heavy]

They signed Soriano out of Japan.

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[spoon]

Once again there was a bidding war and the yanks bid more then anyone by far. Nobody could compete with it, hell he never played. Just in case, the yanks bought him too. He was playing in Japan at the time yes. But he's originally from Cuba or DR.

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[Heavy]

On Pedro: Sign him for 2 years and put him in the pen. Do the same with Alois Terry Leiter. Niether can pitch deep into games and with no pen theyll suck as starters. thisll give us a great Leftie-Righty combo that both showed they can shut-out teams for a few innings before tiring. We could have 2 Smoltzs in the pen. THIS is what we really need. And we can pick up leiter somewhat easily since the Mets would be happy to ditch him without actually just releasing him. Fuck it, pay off Giambi and give him to them, they aint got a 1B.

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[Crippler]

Torre - gone
Stottlemyre - lock
Torre just signed the most lucrative manager's contract in the MLB. That doesn't exactly lock him into being here next year, but it sure helps. But, if he is gone, so is Stottlemyre. They had to beg him to return this year. No Torre next year, no Mel either, that's a lock.

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[Justice4all]

The sad part is...we should have not even been talking about this until 14 days from now.
Life Sucks right now.


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[Hosp]

There's only 4 safe players, Jeter, Arod, Matsui, and Rivera. Everyone else could be gone.

And Torre will only leave if it's by his choice.

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People who should be gone:
Mel Stottlemyre-pitching staff sucked
Jason Giambi-should retire
Kevin Brown-Done. Made me miss Weaver.
Paul Quantrill-washed up
Tony Clark-can stay if they can't find someone better.
Felix Heredia-sucks
Javier Vasquez-Just ain't cutting it in NY
Kenny Lofton-cut your losses
Ruben Sierra-might stay, would not care if he left

[mdr55]

Torre--get rid of his and his laid back attitude. He never won until he got George's money backing him with the best players. He is so over-hyped as a manager---what was his record before he came to the Yankees? I remember when they chucked Buck and brought Torre on, ALOT of the YANKEE fans bashed Torre for being a LOSER before coming to the Yanks. And people complain when the idiots run the asylum in Boston. If Torre got up and told his players to bunt, then we wouldn't be talking about this situation. Zimmer was the spark behind the fire and the Yanks don't have anyone like that on the bench.

The Yanks should clean house and rebuild their farm system. But we know it's not going to happen.

There should be no one on the Yankees that is considered "untouchable". If they can get something in return then pull the trigger. This includes Arod, Mo, Jeter, Posada, Matsui, and Bernie.

And the Yankees need starting pitching. Heck I wouldn't mind seeing Pedro or any of the Sox pitchers on the team. I hate them now but if their on my team--welcome. It would be cool if we got a knuckleballer though. (Phil Niekro best knuckleball pitcher EVER!).



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[Justice4all]

There's only 4 safe players, Jeter, Arod, Matsui, and Rivera. Everyone else could be gone.

And Torre will only leave if it's by his choice.



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Yea because Sheffield had a HORRENDOUS season. We should not keep him at all.
And Posada? He is all washed up too. *insert sarcasm everywhere*

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Yea because Sheffield had a HORRENDOUS season. We should not keep him at all.


I think the issue is how bad his shoulder is. Didn't he play as hard as he did through the pain knowing that this was going to be his last season?

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[Iamnotatool]

Sorry, I just came in here to see who y'all are buying this year.


Hey look, Giambi's GOTTA do better no?

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[Reephdweller]

Here's my thoughts on this...

1B - Need a new 1st Baseman

2B - Need a new 2nd Baseman
I'm not at all impressed with Cairo. We haven't had a decent second baseman in years and it's sad.

I'd like to see the Yankees try and get Beltron in the offseason for the outfield, perhaps replace Bernie. I like Bernie alot however I think Beltron would do excellent in his spot, plus he's got years to grow with the team.

I would also like to see better DH's, get rid of Ruben Sierra, I can't stand him.

I'd like to see them get rid of Tony Clark, Cairo, Sierra, maybe even Lofton and get some new blood there. Olerud I can't stand, get rid of him. Bring Tino back, whatever just get a solid first baseman who can hit on a regular basis.

As for pitching, get rid of Tom Gordon (That name always reminds me of a Steven King book), Kevin Brown, heck most of them. I'd like to see them really work on the bullpen and the infield most importantly.

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Sheff had a good year, but he's not what we need. 1) He's old. You cant just have old players all around because they get switched out every few years and it never works. See NY Rangers. We won a lot with a bunch of people putting up numbers worse then Jeters this year. Beltrans got 10 years left in him, thats why he fits this team. Look at Kevin Brown, he's worthless and 39 years old. Vaz quez is still young and you cant ditch him after 1 year because he sucked. Another year or 2 and you have to assume he cant handle the big market. For now we dont need the best players in the league, we need the best players in thier 20's in the league. Get those available players every off season for a couple of years and we'll have 5 more years of greatness

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You have to give Vazquez another chance. He has great stuff, maybe the break and a new pitching coach and fresh approach in Spring Training will help. I don't think he's freaked by NY. He played great in the first half. Weaver was a disaster from the start, as are most of the NY headcases.

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Look at Vazquez's stats with the Expos. I believe 200+ strikeouts and 3 era? Well he'll get better.

We need to sign these guys if possible:

New 2nd baseman: Vidro or Boone (he's getting eye surgery which he says could have helped him this season)

New SP: Pavano, Clement, ODALIS PEREZ (he's a young lefty stud)

Wow and also it's like a wave.... in my school and in my area.... people think hating the yankees and being red sox fans is kool... bandwagoners.... wtf...

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Sometimes I can't believe what I read on this board, it's almost as if some of you have zero baseball knowledge whatsoever. Let George sort it out, see where he wants to go with the team. You're all sitting there with your predictions of who's staying and who's going, but the fact is none of you can predict shit. Who thought A-rod would be a Yankee this time last year? Nobody. Changes will be made, that's stating the obvious. But instead of making rash decisions like firing everybody but A-rod Jeter Matsui and Rivera, let's see what direction the organization wants to go. Will Torree be back? Who knows, I think he will, but anybody can leave/be fired at any point in time. Cashman? He's wanted out for a while but it doesn't mean he's a lock to go. It'll all work itself out during the offseason, let's see what moves are made first then we can start to criticize.

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I think the folks here are just speculating. I have no idea what they'll do. I have my own ideas of what I think they should do as do others, but ultimately it's up to Steinbrenner, Cashman, and Torre was to what they'll do.

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[spoon]

Here's my thoughts on this...
1) 2B - Need a new 2nd Baseman
I'm not at all impressed with Cairo. We haven't had a decent second baseman in years and it's sad.

2) I'd like to see the Yankees try and get Beltron in the offseason for the outfield, perhaps replace Bernie. I like Bernie alot however I think Beltron would do excellent in his spot, plus he's got years to grow with the team.


1) Did you forget about Soriano? He was a young fit for Wad's plan, but GS couldn't pass up another bigger named player. Again. Greed baby greed! Soriano could have been very important in the ALCS this year, giving them the small ball angle again. As opposed to the swing for the fences mentality. It all would depend on which Soriano showed up; the one from last year's ALCS or the World Series.

2) As much as your idea pains me, another great young player going to the Yanks, but try this on for size. Bring in Beltran and move Williams to first base. He'd make the move pretty easily being a great athlete, and he would stick around for leadership and "been there" feel with Jeter and Mo.

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1) Vaz quez is still young and you cant ditch him after 1 year because he sucked. Another year or 2 and you have to assume he cant handle the big market.

2) For now we dont need the best players in the league, we need the best players in thier 20's in the league. Get those available players every off season for a couple of years and we'll have 5 more years of greatness


1) I heard Javier Vazquez is spanish for Jeff Weaver brother!

2) How is this different at all from what I said? And how does this make baseball fun? That's why everyone loves football and it does so well, it's "fair and balanced".

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Wow and also it's like a wave.... in my school and in my area.... people think hating the yankees and being red sox fans is kool... bandwagoners.... wtf...


Listen you little puke, How dare you question my hate for the Yankees and what they have done to a sport I used to love!!!!? Get your ass out of my face and back in that short bus with your helmet. It isn't cool to hate the yanks my friend, it's simply the way!

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[ChickenHawk]

Tony Clark-can stay if they can't find someone better.
Go to any beer league game in the park and you'll find a guy who strikes out less.

And I was very satisfied with Cairo. No problems with him at all. I say keep him. It's not like he's costing us a fortune. And he hits a lot of doubles.

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[spoon]

I have to agree with HHH on the fact that they will let George stay if likes, along with the rest of the staff. However, the thread is for speculation and it is fun. Calm down with the knowledge statement, get over yourself. I think most people here posted with some decent knowledge, just some with their heart more than their head. Saying what they want, not what is possible. But as you said yourself, anything can happen. We are talking about the Yankees for God's sake!

I do find it hilarious how quickly the talk went from "the sox are unprofessional and they need an ovehaul with player friendly Francona gone." Immediately followed by the "Torre sucks, Cashman makes terrible moves, the core is too old and we need fifty new top ranked player". The fact is both teams got within one game of the WS! The yankees won over 100 games, three str8 years. I don't think these are teams that need an overhaul. Fuckin A people, my team needs help, not yours. The Mets need help too. It's nice to be able to cry over such bad seasons.

GO SOX!

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[Iamnotatool]

Listen you little puke, How dare you question my hate for the Yankees and what they have done to a sport I used to love!!!!? Get your ass out of my face and back in that short bus with your helmet. It isn't cool to hate the yanks my friend, it's simply the way


Spoon, go easy on the personal attacks. They have no place on this board. Show some love.

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[TheGameHHH]

Vazquez being spanish for Weaver is the funniest thing I have read about the Yankees in a while, and it's funny because it's true.

Also, spoon, you are correct. I did come down a little harsh about the whole "knowledge" thing and all, I know this is in speculation and it's for fun. Mostly that was my frustration talking, I'm taking this loss very rough. As I mentioned in another thread this is my second worst heart-break I've suffered all time sports-wise (running a close second to the Devils/Rangers 1994 ECF). And in all honesty I should consider myself fortunate, but it's still rough to handle. It just bothers me when people go from one day being "fans" of a club to the next day criticizing every player/manager/coach of the team.

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I do find it hilarious how quickly the talk went from "the sox are unprofessional and they need an ovehaul with player friendly Francona gone
It's funny, cuz that's exactly what Sox fans were saying after Game 3 of the ALCS. Now they're calling him a genius.

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Did you forget about Soriano?


You're right. I forgot about Soriano.

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[Heavy]

Bringing Boone in for Cairo is an awful idea. We need more Cairos on the team. I hardly even want Soriano back. He's proven he can suck when it counts

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[spoon]

I agree with you Wadd on the Cairo take. But can they pass up on a bigtime free agent? No way!

Tool, my hate for the spanks blinded my judgement. For a second I hated him just as much. And everyone knows I only hate him half as much. And that's the closest you'll get to a compliment from me you little shit BOB! Ahahahah....

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And we can pick up leiter somewhat easily since the Mets would be happy to ditch him without actually just releasing him. Fuck it, pay off Giambi and give him to them, they aint got a 1B.


i'm guessing this was sarcastic but it struck me as something really stupid, yet possible. Who knows maybe when Leiter and the Wilpons are engaged in one of their bi-weekly circle jerks Al might tug too hard and he'll get sent off. I fully believe that Al's the cancer he's accused of being and it really disgusts me. Really you could name any Yankee other than Giambi and I'd probably give ya Leiter. Tony Clark? Sold. John Olerud? In a heartbeat. Paul Quantrill? ......well I don't want to give the Wilpons ideas......


And about Mets fans or just Yankee haters rooting for the SAWX.... I guess I can understand true Yankee fans hating the SAWX and wishing death upon them and such. If the Braves went 60 more years without a title (and probably the Yankees also actually if somehow all the shitheaded Yankee fans were to stay on board) I'd probably still be rooting against them. But I think from the outside of this rivalry I just want the SAWX to win one. I think that every non-New Yorker, non-St. Louisian (sure), and non-Yankee fan is or should be rooting for the SAWX. If only for the fans.

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I believe it's "Sox" sir, not "Sawx".

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don't even know why you bothered

[spoon]

Hawk, seriously, what happened to you? You've gone soft man. You used to crack me up at all hours, now I'm embarassed to even read your posts. Who's typing for Hawk? Bc this isn't the man that used to make me crack up at 3am!

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I blame Wadd.

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It's funny, cuz that's exactly what Sox fans were saying after Game 3 of the ALCS. Now they're calling him a genius.

Not me - especially after he brought in Pedro in Game 7 of the ALCS. I thought that was Grady Little in reverse.

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New York is expected to pursue outfielder Carlos Beltran after he becomes a free agent and to add pitchers.


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[mdr55]

We want Pedro in the Bronx. So every time he messes up the fans can chant, "Who's yer Daddy?".

Heck if the Rocket could come here, why not Pedro? Like all you guys forgot that Clemens threw at Jeter that one time--"It was a dirty play"- Torre. But when he was on the Yankees and threw at Piazza, "That's baseball, he was re-establishing plate position"--Torre.

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[Reephdweller]

We want Pedro in the Bronx. So every time he messes up the fans can chant, "Who's yer Daddy?".


I'd love that.

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New York is expected to pursue outfielder Carlos Beltran after he becomes a free agent and to add pitchers.


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Sweet!

I could have told that 18 months ago.

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This idea that the yankees get everybody good is just stupid. Has A-Rod been our shotstop for the last 3 years? Bonds playing for us? Gueraro? Did we pick up Manny last year? If they have a hole to fill, they fill it, just like any other team SHOULD if thier owners didnt suck.

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Willie Randolph has moved across town, and now they're saying MEL MIGHT BE GONE. (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/news/nyy_news.jsp?ymd=20041103&content_id=909591&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp) That's half the Yankee coaching staff gone. This should be interesting.

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It's now official. Randolph, GONE. Stottlemyre, GONE.

FUCK.

Torre is the only guy left on the bench from the Championship Yankees.

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Willie Randolph going to the Mets doesn't bother me one bit. I'm not one of those Yankee fans that hates the Mets. I just consider them another team. I mean if you think about it all the Yankees and Mets have in common is that they play in New York. Now we all knew that Willie was going to get a job eventually and will he be missed on the Yankee bench...sure...but nowhere near as much as Stottlemyre....

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Stottlemyre's replacement:

Yankee AAA pitching coach (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/sports/article.adp?id=20041103152009990016)

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Yankee fans should really be happy for Willie, he deserves it. Will I miss him? Absolutly, be this man deserves to be managing in the ML, I don't care who it's for. (Unless obviously it's the Sox)

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I don't hate the Mets at all... I enjoy the "rivalry" that's formed in relatively recent history, but it certainly doesn't hold a candle to Yankees/Red Sox. And I'm definitely happy for Willie, cuz he deserves the opportunity. But at the same time, I'm still sad to see him go. He was an awesome Yankee on the field and he's been great on the bench for the Yankees since 1993. He's a lifetime Yankee, so it's just really weird seeing him put on the orange and blue.

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[BoondockSaint]

who's the AAA coach ...?


Neil Allen I think. He pitched for both the Mets and Yanks. I think Torre managed him with the Mets.

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it's a wierd rite of passage that the players you remember as a kid are now coaches and managers ...

even watching old timer's day is really wierd now ...


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[ChickenHawk]

Good news. The sports media is a bunch of premature ejaculators...

Stottlemyer not leaving afterall? (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/news/nyy_news.jsp?ymd=20041109&content_id=911890&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp)

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[Justice4all]

NO FUCKING WAY! Posada would WELCOME Pedro to the Yanks? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/11/11/posada.pedro.ap/index.html)


This boy is out of his fucking mind!!!!!!


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[TheGameHHH]

No, he's not out of his mind, I guarentee you that's the sentiment of the ENTRIE Yankee staff. You can put personal differences aside when trying to win a championship, it's called being professional.

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[badorties]

if clemens, boggs, benietiz, cone, strawberry and gooden can be yanks why not pedro ...?

we can have nomar at second and pedro pitching just to take a little polish of the redsox off season ...


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[BoondockSaint]

from Espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287)



Sometimes George Steinbrenner does his own negotiating, and on Tuesday, ESPN has learned, he met face-to-face in Tampa with the most prominent free agent pitcher on the market -- Pedro Martinez, who, to date, has not accepted a two-year, $27.5 million offer from the Boston Red Sox.


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[Heavy]

For the love of God, do what I said and put him with Lieter in the pen. Pedros the only guy on that staff that couldnt beat us EVER and now he wont beat them if he starts for us.

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[ChickenHawk]

It's not gonna happen. Pedro's not going anywhere. He's just doing this to make the Sox nervous so they'll offer him a better deal.

Read the article on MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20041116&content_id=913987&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp). It gives a more 2-sided view of the situation.

Keep in mind, ESPN also reported that Stottlemyre was 100% gone.

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[ChickenHawk]

Lofton is gone. Traded to the Phillies for reliever Felix Rodriguez.

And speaking of Felix's, Felix Heredia has finally been dealt (THANK GOD!) across town, for guess who... Mike Stanton.

Also, it has been announced that John Flaherty will return for another season as backup catcher with the Yankees.

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Stanton coming back is fine with me I doubt anyone can be worse than Heredia

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[ChickenHawk]

It's true, but considering his performance with the Mets this year, I feel like Stanton is merely the lesser of two evils. It's an upgrade, because ANYTHING is an upgrade from Heredia, but it's not much of an upgrade if he continues to blow games the way he did last season.

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[badorties]

yipee ... lofton gone and heredia gone

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[Bulldogcakes]

I dont know why everybody's so down on Felix Horrendous.
Who else can you call when you need two walks and a hit batsman?
And get it so consistently? I'm sorry to see him go.

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[HBox]

Yankees sign Jaret Wright. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45296-2004Dec7.html)

Woo.....hoo?

Yankees sign Tony Womack. (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3228202)

..............

[ChickenHawk]

The fuck is THAT shit all about? I like Cairo a lot. There was no reason for that.

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[Heavy]

Tony Fucking Womack?

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[Crippler]

Damnit...I've been saying since the season ended that if the Yanks had the nerve to go out & sign a 2nd baseman after the way Cairo played, that would be the sign that they would fuck up this entire off season. Now I'm not confident about anything they're doing.

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[Iamnotatool]

Nice fucking moves assholes.


Jaret Wright had....1 good year.


I guess Cairo didn't do enough playing for no money last year.

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[HBox]

Lieber signs with the Phillies. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1941926)

I hope Steinbrenner goes nuts again and hires a private investigator to harrass Jason Giambi and gets suspended again for a few years so some people who know what they are doing can rebuild this fucker.

[TheGameHHH]

The one guy I wanted back was Lieber. I'm really starting to get depressed this offseason.

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[ChickenHawk]

Well, this is it folks... We're looking at a good decade of terrible Yankee baseball. Remember the late 80's/early 90's? Yeah... good times.

So far, we've signed a pitcher who has yet to prove himself (great, we need more of those), replaced a quality CHEAP 2nd basemen with an old and more expensive one, and we've dealt away the only pitcher other than Mussina to actually PITCH WELL in the post season. Things are looking up.

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[suedeface]

I really wanted to see Lieber and Cairo stay too. News on the Randy Johnson talks is they are trying for a three way deal.
Later this week when the winter meetings start the Diamondbacks, Yankees, and Whitesox will be talking. The names ESPN mentioned were: NY Vasquez, Prospects, $$ and from the Whitesox Jon Garland and Paul Kinerko.
I guess they'll try again but it's just more people to disagree.

[keithy_19]

I don't get what they're doing.

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[Bulldogcakes]

There aren't any good pitchers available this year. I wanted Lieber back too, but let's not make him out to be Sandy fucking Koufax, please. Dont hold your breath for Randy Johnson. The D-backs are asking for a ridiculous amount for a 41 year old. If it will happen, I'd expect in Febuary, just before spring training. They wanted Vasquez, and the Yanks 2 best prospects, and to pay most of Vasquez's contract. AND THAT STILL WASN"T ENOUGH!

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[Heavy]

Wright would have been a good pickup in....98. They gotta hold Vaz and stop ditching good pitchers after 1 bad year.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Pavano's a Yank! MLB.com says he's chosen the Yanks, now they just need to work out a deal, when it comes to $ the Yanks can usually work that out.

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BAM!


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[Fallon]

Merry Frickin' Christmas CH!

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[Walrus622]

Good job getting Pavano but its all about getting Johnson

[ChickenHawk]

No it's not.

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Yes it is

[ChickenHawk]

Read the news.

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[Walrus622]

Az wont make it easy and talks have broken off, but they will come back to the table. Johnson wants out and only to the Yank's.

[Crippler]

I'm not excited about Wright, at all. And I'm only slightly more excited about Pavano. Last year was only the second time in seven season the guy pitched to a sub-4.2 ERA (in the NL) or had double-digit wins. I still would have rathered Matt Clement for that spot in the rotation.

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[Iamnotatool]

I heard Wright isn't signed cause he failed a physical.

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[Walrus622]

He has shoulder problems. The kid pitched great in '97 playoffs but hasnt really had much of a career. The whole pitching staff is no better than last year if not worse. There was at least confidence in Brown and hope for Vasquez. Got to get Johnson, period.

[Bulldogcakes]

I heard Wright isn't signed cause he failed a physical.



Yes, I heard that too last night. But now they're saying (WFAN) that he had a 2nd one, which he passed. Hmmmmmm. . . . . . . Apparently a Yankee physical is like 3rd grade. If you fail it you just take it again.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks likes Pavano wants to become a Yankee

Pavano picks Yankees (http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/121204/c0112yank.html)

[Heavy]

Boston looses Pedro and we get Pavano and maybe Johnson still. Sounds good so far. Just lock up Beltran already and we'll be set

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[Jennitalia]

kinda sucks that david wells signed with boston.

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[ChickenHawk]

Screw Wells... He's 41 and his bad back is the reason the Yankees lost the World Series in 2003. The Sox got an AGING fat man and the Yankees picked up a YOUNG future star in Pavano. And on top of that, Pedro went to the Mets! HAHHAhahAhaHhAA!

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[Crippler]

kinda sucks that david wells signed with boston.
As much as I would have liked to see him back, he probably isn't going to have a great season between the weight, the age, the cranky back, and the fact that he'll have absolutely no one to show him anything that resembles discipline. And the minute I heard he was talking to Boston, I kinda figured he would go there.

He's a lunatic who's obsessed with the Babe. So, now he's played for his own home town team (San Diego), and then the Babe Ruth trifecta... the team Babe was famous for (NY), the team that plays in the town where the Babe grew up & has a statue erected in his honor (Baltimore), and now the team the Babe broke in with (Boston). The hell with him.

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[HBox]

They got him. (http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-sprandy1217,0,3877851.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix)



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[ChickenHawk]

So the Yankees get Pavano and Randy Johnson and the Sox lose Pedro. Revenge is sweet.

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[Iamnotatool]

Another shitty move by the DBacks. I'd rather have Vasquez and the 2 Yank projects/prospects than a hurt Penny, a bitch Shawn Green, and a random immigrant.

Nice deal Cashman. Once again proves he's one of the best in the game, though Yank fans will admit having a neverending supply of $$ doesn't hurt.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Amen tool.


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[Crippler]

I still don't want him. I know how good he'll be, if healthy, but I still don't like him & don't want him.

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[Heavy]

I just got in....The fans talking about pedro and yous sound like Vaz is gone....i hope not.

edit: ok so Vaz and the 2 top prospects were too much to give up for johnson a few weeks ago but now that those same people are going to the dodgerss its not too much. whatever. In 5-8 years from now Yankee fans are going to be cursing George for trading away 2 of the best pitchers in baseball who still have several prime years infront of them (weav n Vaz). Weaver maybe just cant pitch in NY but Vaz can and he wouldve been great for us for years. Glad to have Johnson though.

We cant just keep bring guys in for a couple of years over and over again. Thats why Beltran will be the biggest move we can make this off season.

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[Bulldogcakes]

I still don't want him. I know how good he'll be, if healthy, but I still don't like him & don't want him.

Crip, the man struck out almost 300 batters last year, had a 2.90 ERA, 16-14 on an awful team (13-2 when they scored more than 2 runs) and the Yanks need a lefty. Plus he's so handsome, whats not to like?

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[Crippler]

I've just never liked him & can foresee him finally breaking down right in front of our eyes. And there the Yankees will be, thinking about how good Vazquez is, and Duncan might become. And there they are, with a broken down 41 or 42 year old pitcher who's about to hang it up & we've traded one of the few pieces we have in the system to get him. Plus, I don't like the whole, "if you can't beat 'em, buy 'em" scenario...I'm still bitter from 2001.

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[BoondockSaint]

They got him. (http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-sprandy1217,0,3877851.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix)

Slow down. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1947995)

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[Walrus622]

I cant believe what I am hearing, you sound like red sux fans. Duncan is a thrid baseman, you think he has a chance with a-rod here? Get real! Vasquez was pitiful, I saw maybe 5 of his starts in person, he is not as advertised. Randy Johnson wants to be here to stick it to schilling, thats the kind of guy we need,not to mention he through a no-no last year!

[Iamnotatool]

Vasquez is better than he showed last year. He was good in the second half.



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[BoondockSaint]

I think he's better then he showed last year, too. But his second half sucked last year. Here are his era's by month:
Apr: 2.55
May: 5.34
Jun: 2.66
Jul: 6.61
Aug: 7.43
Sept: 6.29

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[TheGameHHH]

Tool, I can't tell if you were being serious or not in your last statement. His second half was horrendous last year.

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[badorties]

Vasquez is better than he showed last year. He was good in the second half.



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[Walrus622]

Great pitchers come here in the twilight of thier career and still rise to the occasion, it would be hard to trust Vasquez in any big spot. Besides,Johnsonfor Vasquez and some minor league nobodies? The Unit makes pedro look like Rick Rhodent.

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[Bulldogcakes]

And minor leagers are PROSPECTS. Most of them dont work out, and even the ones who do often have growing pains, and take a few years. Look at the farmhands the Yanks have traded in recent years. Nick Johnson? Spent most of last year hurt, just like when he was a Yank. Soriano? Good player. Horrendous in post season, and we turned him for A-Rod(Who had a good post season). Brandon Claussen? Look up his #s. Ted Lilly, who was traded for Weaver, is a nice pitcher. Doesn't keep me up nights that we lost him. Its very rare that a Derrick Jeter or Dwight Gooden come straight out of the minors and produce in the Bigs.

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[Iamnotatool]

I meant 1st half boys, my bad. He was brutal in 2nd half.

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[Crippler]

Anyone else hear today that as this trade moves along & they try to get Green to waive his no-trade clause, the Dodgers decided they needed to cut even more payroll in the deal so they threw Ishii into the deal, coming to the Yanks?! A Young lefty who needs to learn how to pitch, but supposedly has nasty stuff. I heard this from a buddy today, who's usually right on, but I haven't been able to substantiate it.

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[HBox]

I don't know about Ishii's stuff, but he's not young, he's 31. He's OK, except that he walks a lot of abtters and doesn't strike too many out. He had a bad season last year (13-8, but a 4.71 ERA) and hasn't been the same since his 2003 season ended with him taking a line drive to the face.



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[Bulldogcakes]

Here's the book on Ishi. Walks a ton of hitters (100 ea 2002/2003) Would have walked another 100 last year but was booted from rotation. Lefty, good stuff, maybe too good since he cant control it. Maybe a long lefty out of the bullpen for Yanks, or spot starter. The Yanks dont have alot of patience with players, so its not a place to work out your problems. Too much pressure to win. Throw in language/cultural issues with Japanese players.

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[Walrus622]

A lefty in the pen sounds good if he cant crack the rotation but he is strickly a bow on a nice package or unit in this case.

[ChickenHawk]

Well, there goes Johnson... for now.

DePodesta just pulled the Dodgers out of the deal entirely.

... yes, i said "pulled out."

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Good. And no one is ever ever ever gonna want to trade with the Dodgers again.



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[Jennitalia]

Thank God.

Johnson is way too ugly to be a Yankee.

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[Bulldogcakes]

One official involved in the discussions told Newsday, "We shook hands" Friday. A second executive confirmed the first official's story to Newsday and added, "Who's ever going to want to do business with [the Dodgers] again?"

This franchise (Dodgers) is becoming a joke. Last year, they make one of the worst trades in history with the Marlins, now this. They have a new owner, and apparently the right hand does know what the left one is doing.

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[BoondockSaint]

Looks like it was Javier Vazquez's (http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1222,0,1259304.story?coll=nyc-sportshome-headlines) fault. Big Stein must be thrilled.

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[Bulldogcakes]

What a fuster cluck. After all this, Vasquez throws in a wrench at the end. Since he's from Puerto Rico, he probably wants to stay on the East Coast. But, what the fuck? He doesn't have a no-trade clause. He's gonna give up 40 mil because he doesn't like the west coast? He's bluffing.

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[HBox]

GOOD!! I like Vazquez even more now.

Too bad Steinbrenner's gonna be so pissed he'll probably trade him for a bag of Skittles.

EDIT:Newsday is the only one reporting Vazquez backed out, ESPN and the AP just mentioned that in their stories. Given the fact that DePodesta has given a different reason for being uneasy with this trade every different time he's been asked, that Shawn Green's status was never determined, and that the Dodgers have been stumbling through this the whole way, I'm not sure I believe it.



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[ChickenHawk]

Well, if that article about it being Vazquez's fault is true, he won't be a Yankee much longer, regardless of how they get rid of him.

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[Iamnotatool]

Haaahahahahahahaha.

No Unit for you!!

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[Snoogans]

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[ChickenHawk]

Tool - This particular deal fell through. The Yankees will just find another way to get RJ.

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[badorties]

say hello matt morris, eric milton, carlos beltran, carlos delgado, fuck i wouldnt be suprised if they try to get mattingly to play, they are fuckin pissed now



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[Iamnotatool]

Hawk, fine. Give up Gordon, Vasquez, Duncan, the other immigrant prospects AND $18 MILLION!!!!!


If what you had wasn't enough a month ago, it's still not enough now.


Randy Levine talking about the Dodgers like they commited a crime by changing their minds.

The Dodgers were smart, they just signed JD Drew anyway.

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[badorties]

welcome CARL PAVANO ...

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[ChickenHawk]

Nice beard.

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[Bulldogcakes]

If what you had wasn't enough a month ago, it's still not enough now.

They need a 3rd team. There's 1 down, 27 more to go


Randy Levine talking about the Dodgers like they commited a crime by changing their minds.

The Dodgers were smart, they just signed JD Drew anyway.


So did Jeff Morad, the owner of the Diamondbacks, who also said he'd think twice before dealing with the Dodgers ever again. They had a handshake deal. Both the Yanks and D-backs were so confident they had their paperwork on Bud Selig's desk. The Dodgers shit their pants, and now they're trying to cover their ass.

Something else to throw in. The D-backs lost something like 60 mil last year. They were planning to save the $18mil on Johnson's contract, and already spent it on Russ Ortiz(8mil) and Troy Glaus(10mil). They may be in a worse position now than a month ago.




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[BoondockSaint]

The reason the D-Backs have signed those contracts is they've gotten $250 million from somewhere. That's why they tried to get Johnson to sign an exstension. And Moorad doesn't own the D-Backs, he's only the CEO and owns a small part I beleive.

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[HBox]

Randy Levine talking about the Dodgers like they commited a crime by changing their minds.

The Dodgers were smart, they just signed JD Drew anyway.

Fuck the Dodgers. Both the Yankees and Diamondbacks were under the impression the deal was done, paperwork was already being submitted. They pulled out and then tried to blame it all on Javy Vazquez by spreading FALSE rumors that they had health concerns and he was refusing to come to L.A. As if pulling out of a deal at that late stage wasn't unprofessional enough. They deserve all the crap the get.

Besides, if they were "smart," they would have seen how shitty this deal was for them in the first place and bail out then, not drag this out for weeks.



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[BoondockSaint]

They pulled out and then tried to blame it all on Javy Vazquez by spreading FALSE rumors that they had health concerns and he was refusing to come to L.A.


Wait, Vazquez didn't tell them he would invoke his right to force a trade after the 2005 season?

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[HBox]

Wait, Vazquez didn't tell them he would invoke his right to force a trade after the 2005 season?

He may have, but that's his right under his contract. What was reported last night was that Vazquez refused to show up at all in L.A. for a physical.



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[BoondockSaint]

Well, if he got the idea out to LA that he would make them trade him after one year, why would LA go through with this trade?

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[HBox]

What difference does it make? The Dodgers didn't want him anyway; they were trying to trade him before they had him, before he said anything about L.A.



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[BoondockSaint]

To the White Sox, right. So he puts out the word that he will ask for a trade from there so the WS won't deal with LA so they won't deal with NY, who gave him that clause.

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[Walrus622]

Pavano, Pavano, Pavano! Dont underestimate this kid. He beat us 2 years ago but he still understands the Pinstripes. Moose-Unit-Pavano-(gutless)brown-Wright, you think the Cash Man will let the jv stand in the way of that rotation?

[Bulldogcakes]

Just posting to keep this on the main page, to keep me from having to dig for it later. Hey George! Cashman! Do something!

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[Crippler]

Santa failed to bring me my new Puerto Rican Centerfielder for Christmas...come on Big Stein, let's get a move on this.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Is Beltran Puerto Rican? Maybe we can get J-Lo to marry him when she's done with singer boy Marc Antony.
Santa George has already been very good to us. We just need Randy Johnson and Beltran to start planning the parade.

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[Crippler]

Is Beltran Puerto Rican?
He was born in Manati, Puerto Rico

And on an aggravating side note...
Milton to Reds (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=545&ncid=755&e=3&u=/ap/20041227/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbn_reds_milton)

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[Bulldogcakes]

I would rather have had Milton than Jarrod Wright, but its done now. $25.5? That's 8.5 per year! The Yanks had him signed for 6 per year before they backed out. They really misread the market this year. First they let Lieber go (Who I would've liked to see back) over 1 mil. Then he ended up getting the extra mil (per year) plus two more years from the Phillies. I just hope we get the Unit soon and all should be fine.
There were alot of good, but no great pitchers available this year. So fuck it.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Randy talks heating up again (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1954122)
This time a straight deal between the two teams
Arizona traded him to the Dodgers last year, Randy vetoed.
Three way deal with Dogers, Dodgers back out
Third times a charm!
If this falls through, I say we kidnap the motherfucker


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

It looks like a done deal but i wont believe it till I see the press conference

Big Unit to become a Yankee (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1955906)

[mdr55]

Big Unit to become a Yankee (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1955906)



That old gag. Jokes getting old now. Next thing you'll tell me that Willie Randolph is going to coach the NY Mets.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm cool with this trade........but I really liked Brad Halsey

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like Tino Martinez is back in Pinstripes

Welcome Back (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/news/nyy_news.jsp?ymd=20041230&content_id=926400&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp)

[ChickenHawk]

Okay, so it looks like we'll be getting Johnson for pretty much the exact same thing we would've gotten him for in the Dodgers trade, only without the Dodgers involved. So there ya go.

And welcome back Tino. Now we can say we have FIVE "core" members from the championship years... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Mariano, and now Tino.

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[Crippler]

I still hate Johnson, but at least there will be a lefty in the rotation as long as the Big Ugly's back holds up. Another decent sign is that they didn't have to part with Duncan, according to that article. Not that he'll ever crack the lineup for the Yankees, but if he develops they will have one bargaining chip in the future.

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[samnyc]

Tino? Why can't we get John Olerud back this year?

[Bulldogcakes]

Tino? Why can't we get John Olerud back this year?

Tino probably has more left. Plus he has 4 rings.

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[Bulldogcakes]

I'm glad we got the Big Unit, but I really think we gave up a ton.
Vasquez-Good pitcher, 10+ years younger
Halsey-Top lefty in farm system. We need leftys
Dinar Navarro-Top prospect, plus a catcher. Posada's 33. Approaching the age when most catchers start declining (34-36)
PLUS 9 million bucks!!

Dont tell me the Yankees get all the best players for nothing

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[WindowSill]

Yes but youre forgetting that with their "revenues", the Yankees could go out and get anyone the damn well want, wtf needs prospects? More pitching? No problem! Lefty? Im sure when Randys done the Yanks will just go out and get another top lefty i.e. Scott Kazmir. Catcher? By the time Posadas done Victor Martinez and Johnny Estrada will have already established themselves as top players in this league and will be just sitting there for the Yankees taking.


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[Bulldogcakes]

True, but I think it's good for team chemistry to have a rookie come up each year (Which the Yanks did 1994-2001) The older guys teach & pick up the kid when he makes mistakes. Plus the young guys add spark, ambition. Veteran teams tend to sit back more and wait for a rally, which sometimes never comes. I also think the guys that come up through the Yankee system know the enormous expectations of being a Yank, and have deeper bonds with guys they come up with. To this day, Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Mo are the guys you look to in the playoffs. Overall it's healthy for the team, and organization since it keeps payroll lower than it would be otherwise.

BTW The Mets play in the same market as the Yanks, You're not exactly Pittsburgh (revenue wise) plus you guys have your own network coming next year and bucketloads of $ that comes with it.

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[Bulldogcakes]

I think this thread is done for the year. Yanks dont appear to be making any moves on Beltran, and the team's pretty well set now with the Big Unit. See ya!! AT THE PARADE!!!!

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[ChickenHawk]

I hope Randy is aware that he's gonna have to lose the Joe Dirt look once he puts on the pinstripes.
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