GOD IS DEAD

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[HordeKing1]

God can't die. Something has to exist in order for it to die.

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[Captain Rooster]

can we say heathens..

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[HordeKing1]

Oooops. Forgot that LTROOSTER has direct acess to the "One True God."

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[Captain Rooster]

...this site is for light hearted fun

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[Amuse2KAOS]

well, to put it lightly, you make me look calm and nice...and I am neither calm nor am I nice...this country was not founded on a strong belief in god, it was founded on religious persecution...and a tax haven for debtors...the original settlers came here because they were persecuted in their homelands, they wanted freedom, but notice how this isn't called Godland...or Jesusworld...or Bibletown (though I would like to open a theme park by such a name...come and ride jesus's Log Flume to Nazareth...Marvel at the magicians who turn water to wine...then make a pigeon fly out of your ear!!...Ride on the Holy Ghostercoaster, the worlds largest biblical experience!!) but that would be best saved for another day. I choose not to believe in god, because so many bad things happen to good people. everyone is entitled to their opinion, so no one should try and force their opinions on someone else. Although athiests crack me up.."Against all chruches and organized religions..come join the church of atheism"...amn I the only one who sees the contradicition??

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[Captain Rooster]

Amuse2KAOS - Great points...many people use religion to manipulate people...but...relgion is very different from FAITH!
I believe that faith keeps a person grounded and humble...yes.. the founding fathers were not Saints, but I do believe the structure of their faith and yes religion to did shape them to make decisions that have helped this country prosper...and stay free.


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[Pootertoot]

For the record, this country was not founded on a strong belief in "god". They were mostly deists, believing in a an impersonal god, not the god of the christians, and certainly not believing in the divinity of jesus.

George Washington, to the best of our knowledge, was not religious, and at the very least, never publically declared himself a christian. On his deathbed, he did not request a priest's presence nor did he utter any religious words.

John Adams publically decried the clergy, calling it the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces", and has also been quoted as saying "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!".
He also passed the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, stating in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."

Thomas Jefferson wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."

TJ also is quoted as saying that the Revelation of St. John is "the ravings of a maniac".

James Madison was not religious in any sense, quoted as saying "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
and
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

So there's the first four presidents, founding fathers by definition, right?

Still not convinced? Let's go to the non-presidential founding fathers.

Thomas Paine: "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."

Ethan Allen, who inspired Congress to pursue the war of Independence (pretty damn founding, huh?): "Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words."
and
"denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian."

Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Constitutional Convention, historically considered a Deist: As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble."

Still want more? Let's go historical documentation.

The Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights (first ten ammendments, ratified 1791) NO REFERENCE TO GOD WHATSOEVER

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the freedom of press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

And, for the record, "In God We Trust" did not appear on US currency until 1956. Pretty far from the founding of this country, I think.

Rooster, I find it HYSTERICAL that you jump on Hordeking for a

[Pootertoot]

Oh, and if you need more proof, find this discussed more extensively <A HREF=http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html>here, at this massive compilation of proof that this country was not founded on a strong belief in god, nor was it shaped by faith or beliefs.</A>.

This country was founded trying to get away from that, trying to get away from a narrow-minded, single way of thinking. Beliefs are just that, beliefs.

Have a nice day. :O)

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[The Blowhard]

Matthew 5:1

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[Captain Rooster]

POOTERTOOT-
I did not refer to Horde King as any of the negative terms that were mentioned in my post my friend. I am speaking to the people that walk around and do not have any guidance. people that just formulate their personal doctrine based on whatever serves to appease their own personal whim at that moment. The arrogant, selfish, lemmings that I am refering to are the people that walk around in a haze...they hear something on TV -then it must be truth ...am I right?...those people just flow with what is the accepted belief of the moment.

Your post poses incredible questions to me and i will research the validity of your points. I do believe that Washington was religious but do not have evidence to quote as i sit here at this moment.

I believe that the majority of members to this site are in fact very real, very intelligent, open and funny...that i swhy I choose to try and become part of the R+F fans that are on this site.

when my belief is mockedand treated as if it has no validity I get upset...I do not belive evrything I hear..at all...and I do agree that RELIGION can be used to manipulate and control....FAITH is the evidence of things unseen...that is all

If I attacked the Horde King I apologize...I merely take deep offense to people that mock my belief, my God...

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[Pootertoot]

Rooster, I realize I came off as confrontational but I felt it necessary for this. It just upsets me when people say things like that because it's just the ingrained shit that I was saying for so many years. I can only assume that, up until now, that you held dearly to the belief that this country was founded by the religious (more than likely with a christian persuasion) because someone you loved or trusted dearly told you that, or because it was never challenged, but you obviously had no facts to back that statement up.

So do you see why I'd get upset? There was a shitload of religious belief that I had never questioned because I didn't think to question it. There's too much to list, but if you want to continue this, we can do it here, you can email me, whatever.

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[The Blowhard]

Did you hear about the Athiest's funeral?

All dressed up and nowhere to go! ;)

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[Pootertoot]

And too dead to care.

Actually, after I've donated the appropriate organs to science, I have one of two plans for my funeral:

1) I want my body shot out of a cannon into a lake. At the side of the lake, there will be seating for all the people attending, and whoever laughs at the absurdity of it all gets my inheritance. Everyone else gets pie and a lot of alchohol.

2) I want to rent out a haunted house and, at the end of the ride, have my body flown out over the audience attatched to cables.

People place far too much emphasis on death as a sad thing. I'm too dead to care, why the fuck should you be crying? Celebrate you bastards!

For the record, I was training for the priesthood when I became an atheist. So I've been there, done that. :O)

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[Captain Rooster]

I hear what all of you are saying..I have deep rooted beliefs, some blind faith and also a love for this country. I have put my life on the line for this country and those beliefs while in the military.

To my friends here... I am here to laugh and relax to get away from the everyday SHIT I deal with...and to make friends...

you are too...or you wouldn't be having such a great time like me.


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Pootertoot
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[HordeKing1]

LTROOSTER - Wow, are you sensative about this. I wonder why?

My comment was intended to point out the intollerance of certain theists who maintain that anyone not believing in the christian god is a "heathen" meaning ignorant.

It was certainly not intended to be a personal attack on anyone.

When a person's beliefs do not merely disagree with others but actually insult them, it's time to rethink your position, or at least your way of expressing it.



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[HordeKing1]

LT ROOSTER - Having said that, peace my friend.

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[Pootertoot]

Thank you for your service to this country, 'cause if there's a draft I sure a fuck would be hightailing it to Canada. Viva Quebec!

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[Gvac]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I love passionate people! Whether I agree or disagree is secondary; the main thing is that you are unwavering in your values and beliefs.

Having said that, I salute you, LTRooster!







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[EffMeBoobs]

In God We Trust

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[JesusChrist]

YES -- god is dead . i have an inside sorce .. he ran his 1970 CADDY gold in color .. into a telephone pole .. wrapped the the daam thing right around it .. rumor has it he did it to commit suicide .. he had a bad herion addiction and could not cope with life anymore .. no money, no home and bad health .. i mean just look at all his pictures , you can see it in his face . his family in embaressment staged the whole nail on the cross thing .. beleave me its tru ,, i realy can give out any more infromation SO DONT ASK ..........

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[Amuse2KAOS]

NO one seemed to find the Bibletown amusement park idea as amusing as I did...if only I could find a public sponsor for the idea

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[The Blowhard]

I will pray for all of you.

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[HordeKing1]

Did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic, insomiac?

He was up all night pondering the posibility of the existence of a dog.

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[HordeKing1]

Everyone (especially those who take their beliefs too seriously) should read the books of James Morrow called; Towing Jehova, Blameless in Abaddon, and The Eternal Footman. A brief synopsis follows:

Towing Jehova (Winner of World's Best Fantasy Novel) - God dies and his 2 mile long body falls into the Atlantic Ocean. It begins to decompose and reek. To prevent further deterioration it is towed to a tomb in the Arctic, all the while under threat of terrorist attacks by atheists for whom the dead body of God threatens their beliefs.

Blameless in Abaddon - God is tried by the World Court for crimes against humanity. It turns out that God is being kept in a coma at the center of a Florida amusement park run by fundamentalist Christians.

The Eternal Footman - God's body decomposes and his skull takes geosynchronous orbit over the Western industrialized nations and causes a plague of fatal Nietzche-like nihilism that quickly reduces civilization to tatters. The only possible salvation is a brand new religion embracing all aspects of the human body.


Morrow also wrote "Bible Stories for Adults," (a collection of short bible stories) which gets my highest recomendations. My favorite stories are Job (he's back, mad as hell, and looking for a rematch), and the reconstruction of the originally shattered 10 commandments.

Mellow out people!

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[IkeaBoy]

They found God's body. He was really short. He had a leather jacket with the word GOD written on the back of it in rhine stones.

"Nothing can kill The Grimace"

[Gvac]

HordeKing,

It's not your place to tell people whether they take their faith too seriously or not. Perhaps you're too sure of your atheism. Any person who has ever risen to the top of his or her field and become a success in any way, shape, or form all share a common trait: the belief in something (a power, a philosophy, an ideal, or a God) greater than themselves.

To aspire to nothing greater than merely getting up and going to work every day must be a very, very dull existence indeed.







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[Pootertoot]

Wow, gvac, I love ya, buddy, but that was one of the most ignorant things you've ever said.

So, in the absence of god, your life instantly becomes getting up and going to work? It's a very sad existence where the only joy in your life comes from knowing that, when you die, the big guy who made your life so miserable is going to make up for it with a rockin' party in the afterlife.

However much you want to kid yourself, you don't live your life defined by god. I am just like you, except I lack of a belief in a higher power. I am no less happy, no less friendly, no less anything than I was when I was a theist, except maybe a little more free of delusion.

As for those who have achieved greatness with the help of god, I guess those who never achieve greatness in any form were there to make those who god blesses feel all that much better. Maybe it's just possible for anyone to achieve greatness on their own merits, and not just 'cause a higher power gave them an arbitrary nod.

But, then again, maybe you're a bit too sure of your theism. :O)

Nowhere else in this whacked out world will you find that the people with an unsubstantiated claim get the benefit of the doubt. If I told you now that I have contact with aliens on a daily basis, that if I asked them to do something, they'll get things done for me...and when you ask me for proof, I tell you that the reason YOU can't see them is because you don't BELIEVE in them like I do, then you'd dismiss me as a lunatic.

If you give me one substantial piece of evidence of god's existence, I am willing to admit publically that I was wrong and a fool. I mean, fuck! I'd never be happier about being wrong in my life! There actually IS an all powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe who's gonna treat me like a king in the afterlife! Bonus!

Unfortunately, there's nothing to prove that.

Oh, and Faith is not a proof, faith is just irrational hope. Tell me different, I'd love to have my mind changed on that one as well.

I plan on checking out Hordeking's books (and I would have checked them out back when I believed in god, too. Funny is funny, folks, and sacrilege is even funnier. And if there is a god, he's got one huge fucking sense of humor.)

If you want to read a book from my side of the fence, pick up "Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist" by Dan Barker. It's a really easy read, not pedantic in any way. Anyone that picks it up, I'll really respect you, because you have enough faith in your faith that such heresy won't waver you. I'm more than willing to read whatever you want me to. :O)

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[Gvac]

Pooter, Pooter, Pooter, you're not listening very closely, my good man. Never once did I say I myself was a believer; I merely said it is not anyone's place to trivialize or ridicule another's truth. I also stated that successful people hold a belief in SOMETHING greater than themselves, not necessarily God.


Even though I don't believe in a God per se, I would not ever presume to disrespect one who does by sneering at them or looking down my nose at them. That would reek of intellectualism, which I despise. It is a form of bigotry that I find tantamount to calling a Jew a kike, a black a nigger, a latino a spic, etc.

I realize just as well as anybody that the old saying about discussing religion and politics is true, and yet I love a good and lively debate. Countless times before on this board I have mentioned my love and respect for people who are fiery and sure of themselves and their beliefs, whether they jibe with mine or not. I'm fairly sure that if I met girl germs, for example, I would like her, and yet I am a hunter and a fisherman.

I respect the believer AND the belief, whether or not I share it. Trust me, sometimes it ain't easy.

That being said, the day I couldn't remain friends with someone I had a slight difference of opinion with, shoot me.







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[Captain Rooster]

OK I'm back in on this one.

I am really curious to find out where many of the people's faith has gone?

These words were spoken by... George Washington... as he resigned his commission as General of the Continental Army on December 23, 1783.

"I consider it an indispensable duty to close this last solemn act of my official life by commending the interests of our dearest country to the protection of 'Almighty God' and those who have the superintendence of them into His holy keeping."

Pooter - you claim this man had no faith in God...why would he have said this as he ended his career as a Miltary officer. Look it up it's fact.

I ask...do we honestly believe that we "just happened" - this is a keep it simple rule - Big Bang, etc. these just all happened to create what we are today. I feel that THAT is a foolish and "delusional" as you put it Pooter.

The fact is Scientist Vs. Theist will always endure.

Of course I have had doubt and tribulation...but..have you ever sat back and lived in the basic messages that are contained in most beliefs in God?

To me it's like proof of the wind - I can feel the wind, I have never seen the wind - but I feel the wind - It exists.

Have you ever been on a retreat...you FEEL God...it is amazing. many people will argue that it's just chemicals in the brain and emotion, but what triggers those emotions...what drives us to be whole in our lives...not "just" personal merit I'm sure.

Look to an atheist and I will show you a person in turmoil at the core of there life. There is a need to come to God...and we are truly too simple a being to recognize the frailty of what we as humans truly are. There is a saying in the Military..."There are NO atheists in a FOXHOLE"

Pooter - check your facts on the founding fathers - I think you may have stepped in some bad Poop , Poot

Peace my Friends - God Bless

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[Captain Rooster]

Pooter - More on the Founding Fathers

Patrick Henry, Founding Father:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

George Washington, First President:
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."

Abraham Lincoln, Sixteenth President:
"But for [the Bible] we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare...are to be found portrayed in it."

Pooter - These are documented quotes - so what are you talking about - these were men of faith - that created the greatest nation that the world has ever known - BASED on belief in God and NOT biased against any other faith being able to believe what they will...

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[The Blowhard]

One thing I believe in is respecting others and their religion. For one person to think they have the answers, well, that person is fooling himself.
To me, my faith is a very personal thing, and I rarely talk about it because it's, you know, personal.
Throughout history, wars were started over religious differences. I say we just respect each others opinions and let it rest. Thank you.

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[Captain Rooster]

Heckler - AMEN

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[Pootertoot]

Lt. Rooster, it's really late, and I'm really tired, but you really frustrated me with those last posts. I'm gonna try and make this as short as possible in the interest of my passing out soon.

Pooter - you claim this man had no faith in God...why would he have said this as he ended his career as a Miltary officer. Look it up it's fact.

To that I will repost my comment on George Washington:

George Washington, to the best of our knowledge, was not religious, and at the very least, never publically declared himself a christian. On his deathbed, he did not request a priest's presence nor did he utter any religious words.

Nowhere did I say that he was an atheists. We don't know WHAT he was, and we certainly don't know that he was christian.

In case you aren't familiar with Deism, in the loosest terms, deism is the belief in an impersonal god, one who created the universe and now has nothing else to do with us. Deists are not christians, they deny the divinity of christ (obviously) and they disagree with christian doctrine. GW was quite possibly a deist.

I ask...do we honestly believe that we "just happened" - this is a keep it simple rule - Big Bang, etc. these just all happened to create what we are today. I feel that THAT is a foolish and "delusional" as you put it Pooter.

Exactly how is your idea of how we came to be any more valid than mine, or a man who thinks we were formed of clay by many gods, or that it all began on Vishnu's whim, when we were created by her servant Brahma? You have no more proof than anyone else of how the world was created, and you have even less proof that this universe is the result of any kind of intelligent design.

If you are telling me you respect the beliefs of others, you're LYING. You respect their right to believe whatever the fuck they want. How come you knew that David Koresh wasn't the second coming of Jesus Christ? How come you knew that there was no spaceship hiding behind the Hale-Bopp Comet to take the true believers in a superior alien race?

You don't respect the belief, no matter how much you want to kid yourself, because othewise it would be your belief. I respect the believer and their right to believe. However, the MINUTE your belief starts infringing on other's personal freedom (god hates abortion, god hates fags, etc.), then you lose your rights at my table, and you should be shot. If your god is all powerful, then let him call the shots and make the decisions. If all of a sudden all the world's abortion clinics burn to the ground, I think we'll get the message. You put your fucking picket signs down and go home, Corky. (This is me talking in general, lol, I'm not talking to anyone specifically on this, obviously.)

Heckler, to let anyone believe in something unchecked never leads to any good and you know that. THAT'S what starts the wars you mentioned. If your god is grounded in objective fact, is unquestionable, and can save us all, then you throw that into the forum and it should come out unscathed. Right? I'll say it again, respect others and their RIGHT to believe, not WHAT they believe.

Of course I have had doubt and tribulation...but..have you ever sat back and lived in the basic messages that are contained in most beliefs in God?

Okay, this is where we get into debating actual beliefs and not just the issue at hand. Let me go through this one quick, and if you want to enter debate about actual beliefs, then we will.

NOTHING CONTAINED IN ANY SCRIPTURE, IN ANY RELIGION, OTHER THAN THE MYTHOLOGY THAT MAKES UP THAT RELIGION, IS ANYTHING THAT HUMANITY DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW.

Before Moses came down the mountain, mankind was not smashing in each other's heads with stones, fucking each others' wives with abandon, everyone stealing and disrespecting their parents. Sure, there were segments of society that did this, but there are segments of society that do this TO THIS DAY.

The basic "teachings" on how we should live are shit that's inherent in natur

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[Gvac]

Pooter's the SHIT, man! I love this fuckin' guy. He's right; we did discuss at length the beliefs of others last night (actually this morning) at around 4 AM. I had the benefit of being fortified by a mystical elixir of Tennessee Sour Mash and don't really know if I made any sense at all, but it was fun anyway.

Pooter, get back to me on this you maniac. I demand round 2!

As for the rest of you, I love and respect you all, and have no desire to make you change your belief systems. Pray all you want, or worship a rock for all I care. Just don't break anybody's balls, especially mine, OK? That's kinda my golden rule in life.

Peace be with you (Hey, a lifetime of attending Catholic schools never leaves you completely!).









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[girl germs]

i attended an all girls catholic high school for a year...it was hell.

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<i>"I'm fairly sure that if I met girl germs, for example, I would like her, and yet I am a hunter and a fisherman."</i>

gvac, i'm sure if i met you, i'd like you a lot, even though you're a hunter and a fisherman.

just because you don't agree with what i belief in doesn't mean i'll be in your face about it...telling you to change your ways. and i really love it when others do the same.

belief in what you want...but don't be so narrowminded as to block everything else out and don't be so ignorant as to think that your beliefs are the only ones that hold any importance.

but, here's something i think everybody should believe in: LOVE!

<p align="center"><font face="arial">"no, don't be afraid (to protect everyone). love and courage are your friends. yes, yes, anpanman. how gentle you are! go, protect everyone's dreams."</font></p>

[Gvac]

Right on, gg!

Everybody now: All you need is love.....







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[Gvac]

Oh, and girl germs, the very fact that you mentioned Television and the Buzzcocks in the post about Punk bands has endeared you to me more than you could ever know! Rock on!

P.S. - Anyone realize that this whole thread started with some guy asking for help in getting R & F back on the air in Boston?







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[girl germs]

dude, you don't even know what those bands mean to me...well, they mean a lot!

and i guess we should thank jesus christ for this thread...because it wouldn't have been started without him, i don't think.

<p align="center"><font face="arial">"no, don't be afraid (to protect everyone). love and courage are your friends. yes, yes, anpanman. how gentle you are! go, protect everyone's dreams."</font></p>

This message was edited by girl germs on 8-26-01 @ 1:46 PM

[The Blowhard]

Wow, Tootman laying the smackdown. Well, damn you Toot! I will pray to Odin and ignore your damn comments!

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[Pootertoot]

Had to check this before I go.

I told you guys Ms. Germs and gvac rock! We'll have to have an intervention for g-boy so I don't have to donate any organs I might have promised him.

Heckler, we must have a few beers before Ragnarok rolls around.

Everyone, I don't expect you to change your beliefs. I just hope you'll question them. If your beliefs go under the microscope and come out unscathed, then you'll be much happier than never having questioned them at all.

Have a good week!

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[Gvac]

What the hell time are you leaving, 6 PM? Get the hell out of here already, before you get me started again!

Enjoy, Pooter!







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[HordeKing1]

"In God we trust." All others pay cash.

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[HordeKing1]

GVAC - Reread my post. I did not tell anyone that they take their faith too seriously.

Why do you feel compelled to defend those who are not being attacked?

While on the topic, it's healthy to learn to laugh at yourself and to question your beliefs now and then, whatever they may be. No person is the center of the universe. (Even the church (reluctantly) gave up on this idea).

Certainly, everyone is entiteld to their beliefs. And certainly everyone should respect the beliefs of others.

As POOTERTOOT pointed out however, most religions are grossly intollerant of others beliefs. He mentioned the abortion issue which is an excellent case in point. Those opposed to abortion need not have one. But how dare they attempt to impose their beliefs on others.

Here are a few concepts to think about.
1. Tolerance for all.
2. Healthy and friendly debate and discussion.
3. Recognition that there is no one answer that will satisfy everyone.
4. Understanding that no matter how deep your faith and belief, you might be entirely wrong. That applies to me as well as everyone else. I can recognize it. Can you?




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[Gvac]

HK,

You say you didn't tell anybody that they take their faith too seriously?


Everyone (especially those who take their beliefs too seriously) should read the books of James Morrow


You didn't?







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This message was edited by gvac on 8-26-01 @ 7:37 AM

[Captain Rooster]

Pootertoot

DO NOT take my comment that you quoted about "you steeped in some bad poop, Poot" serious - I thought the play on words was funny.

Poot - you are obviously very intelligent and know a lot about religion. I have never really met a man that was that close to Faith, and then moved so far in the opposite direction.

I do question Religion. I do noy question faith.

by the way - some of the "shoot" people stuff was pretty crazy , and I hope you were tired. I got a little hurt by your tone.

I agree to disagree....I think I have had enough...you know where I stand...I know where you stand....God Bless...Good Night

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[HordeKing1]

GVAC - Reread my post which you have quoted.

"Everyone (especially those who take their beliefs too seriously) should read the books of James Morrow"

I didn't tell ANYONE that they take their fatih to seriously. I suggested that those who do have special need to lighten up. Notice how no one was singled out. "Everyone" was included, regardles of theistic or atheistic views. You apparantly continue to miss my point.

Additionally, you never answered my query. Can you concede that there is a possibility that your beliefs are completely wrong? Can you even contemplate that idea without getting senstive or overeacting, as you have apparantly been doing for this entire post?

Peace, my friend.



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[Gvac]

You know, it's funny how
when you get on a subject
as touchy as this, people
seem to hear only what they
choose to. I am thoroughly
convinced HordeKing and
Pootertoot are not
understanding me, and they
are convinced likewise.

I assure you, I am not overly
sensitive or overreacting,
King, but merely attempting
to make my point of view as
clear as possible. It is
obvious I have failed, and
for that I apologize.

If you haven't already, I
suggest you read my post
entitled "Rotten Words",
also in the Off Topic forum.
It comes extremely close to
representing my
philosophies and ideals in
a clear and concise
manner. Maybe then you
can understand where I'm
truly coming from.










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