Spy Report: Yanks Charged With Assault!

[Johnny Fontane]

Rumor has it that Jeff Nelson & Karim Garcia have been charged with assault of a Red Sox groundskeeper in their bullpen. This is going to be interesting.

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[Fallon]

Yeah, top story on the local news. That groundskeeper was assigned to that bullpen and had the right to be there.

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[HBox]

What do you expect from the most corrupt city in the nation? BTW, no one is charged with anything yet.-

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[schmega]

That groundskeeper was assigned to that bullpen and had the right to be there.

he doesnt have the right to attack a player. nelson's no genius, but i dont think he's stupid enough to swing first. and the groundskeeper could've been more professional about it and just watch the game.

[Bama]

Williams had cleat marks on his back and his arm, and he may have been kicked in the mouth, Steinberg said. He was recuperating at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, the Red Sox spokesman said.



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This message was edited by bamanation on 10-11-03 @ 11:29 PM

[ChickenHawk]

Well while they're at it, maybe they'll find some form of suitable punishment for Pedro. He should've been immediately ejected. The least they can do is fine him.

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[HBox]

Look, if Nelson started this, he should be charged. Garcia thought Nelson was being attacked, I can't fault him in anyway. But you'd think something like this would be started by a member of the losing team out of frustration. Why would Nelson go picking a fight right before the start of the bottom of the ninth when he is ahead? Just looking at the surrounding circumstances, it doesn't seem likely that Nelson started anything, and if he didn't, he should be able to defend himself, especially considering the recent history of attacks by fans and the environment he is in.

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[schmega]

wow, the policemen there sided with the groundskeeper. yeah, i'm sure they're objective. Randy Levine's right. This kinda garbage would not be tolerated at the Stadium. When you're an employee of the team, your ass should sit there and do you job, not wave a towel like a chimp.

[FUNKMAN]

Nelson was just making sure he 'kept to the ground'...

actually! it was an "ugly" day... it's a shame Zimmer let his anger get the best of him. Pedro handled it in the best possible way(not the throw at Garcia) but how he took Zim down. could you imagine if he started wrestling with Zim or if he threw a few punches at him.

if the yankee players accepted Clemens hitting Piazza in the head then they should have accepted Pedros pitch as "part of the game" as well...

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[phixion]

if the yankee players accepted Clemens hitting Piazza in the head then they should have accepted Pedros pitch as "part of the game" as well...


turnabout IS fair play!!!! now if only clemens had been shot by a crazed boston fan before the game even started then i would truly be satisfied.

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[Jackie Sloan]

Yanks are hot. Hey maybe John Burkett will pitch the best game of his life....BWUHAHAHAHA!! THAT'LL HAPPEN!! Oh yea, did I mention Pedro sucks?

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[Steels]

Well while they're at it, maybe they'll find some form of suitable punishment for Pedro. He should've been immediately ejected. The least they can do is fine him.

Well it's a relief to see ONE person that is thinking with a level head. Why he was not ejected immediately is beyond me. To then OPENLY threaten another ball player (Pasada) is grounds for a suspension of the most extreme sorts. I agree with you Hawk and you must understand that this "watered down" sad excuse for a man lost the respect of Major League Baseball, his integrity (if he ever had any) and a pivotal game 3. This was a HUGE game in the series, a MUST win if the "Sox" were to FINALLY make it to the "World Series". What does this SELFISH, self centered, BABY do after he got his tits lit for a couple of runs? He throws a tantrum in the form of a baseball to another players head. Think about it, he tried to bean a guy out of frustration for his ineptness in pitching a big time game. For everyone's information, a groundskeeper in the opposing players bullpen is unheard of. While Roger Clemens rides off into the sunset a winner with class, Pedro Martinez loses (AGAIN), reveals his obviously fragile mentality and lack of class. Way to break a stereotype Pedro.

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This message was edited by Steels on 10-12-03 @ 5:21 AM

[Steels]

I forgot to add that the idiot actually had the selfishness to bean a batter while the lead runner was on third. He would have loaded the bases as a result of his tantrum. Turns out it didn't matter cause he got tattooed for another couple of runs anyway. Any real baseball fan will not only say he is a piece of shit but he also frequently doesn't "close the deal" in a big game (1999 is 4 years ago so don't even try it). This Dominican "Dumb-Dumb" should take a good look at Andy Petite and maybe he'll get a clue as to how big time players raise the level of their games come the post season. Great way to fold under pressure Pedro!

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[DarkHippie]

even the boston cops realize that their team can't do it without a little help. But anything to break that curse, right Boston?

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[phixion]

yankee fans i need a little help... how is it okay that clemens beamed piazza in the HEAD? and then its okay that he threw a broken bat at piazza in the world series? yet martinez grazes one of your players and u all get upset? i dont get it.

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[schmega]

yankee fans i need a little help... how is it okay that clemens beamed piazza in the HEAD? and then its okay that he threw a broken bat at piazza in the world series? yet martinez grazes one of your players and u all get upset? i dont get it.

stfu, PLEASE. clemens was a tool for scrambling piazza's gay brain. pedro 'grazed' garcia because garcia got out of the way. that ball was clearly heading for his head. watch the game and you'll 'get it'.

[phixion]

the ball was thrown behind the dude, and a batters natural reaction is to step back in box, thats y it was a bad throw. but go ahead and bitch yankee fans, u seem to enjoy all your double standards.

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[Jackie Sloan]

I forgot one thing. Manny's a pussy. That pitch he jumped out of the way wasn't even close. Sawx should be embarrased, they looked like pussies. As far as the groundskeeper goes, he learned a lesson: fuck with people, you get your ass beat. Zimmer was wrong for charging Pedro, but now I respect him even more. Old man took a shot at Pedro - got his ass knocked down, but I loved it. Check Pedros' hit batsmen. He's among the leaders all the time, the everyday players on his team have to be tired of this shit, he's not helping his team when he does this. Sawx are done, Yanks in the show again.

PS - Piazza sucks.

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[schmega]

the ball was thrown behind the dude, and a batters natural reaction is to step back in box, thats y it was a bad throw. but go ahead and bitch yankee fans, u seem to enjoy all your double standards.

take off your stupid Met blinders and watch the pitch again. it wasnt behind garcia, it was AT garcia. it hit him in the back because he ducked. had he stood still, he'd be in the hospital right now. and what part of 'roger's a tool' dont you understand? please, go back to posting about comics and awful Square games. leave the sports for those who actually watch the games and know what they saw.

[phixion]

Piazza sucks


i agree, but he got hit in his head on purpose by clemens. and yankee fans were saying that it doenst matter. and then clemens threw a broken bat a piazza at the series, and yankee fans once again said it didnt matter. and now one of yours gets hit by pitcher and your all up in arms pleading a national tragedy has occured. all im saying is that yankee fans enjoy a double standard, you think that its okay as long as it doenst happen to your team.

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[phixion]

it was AT garcia


it was AT piazza but no yankee fan called for clemens head on a stick like you want pedro's head.

and thank you for treating me with the wit and cleverness that the average yankee fan possesses.

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[schmega]

it was AT piazza but no yankee fan called for clemens head on a stick like you want pedro's head.

and thank you for treating me with the wit and cleverness that the average yankee fan possesses.

oh, so you agree that it was thrown AT garcia now, right? you're welcome.

you wouldnt know wit and cleverness if it came at you at 95mph. now stop grouping all the yankee fans in thinking we approved of what clemens did to piazza.

[Jackie Sloan]

all im saying is that yankee fans enjoy a double standard, you think that its okay as long as it doenst happen to you team.


Not true dude, I don't think any pitcher should throw at any batters' head. As far as the bat incident, I was kind of embarassed. It was stupid. Pedro showed his true colors again, when he's gettin' beat, he throws at somebody, he does it all the time. He's always taunting too...guess his ego is more important to him than his team winning a playoff game, it's only about making it to the World Series. Yanks up 2 games to 1...WICKED PISSAH!!

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Wow, schmega, you're a tool. Every arguement you posed basically said that the pitch towards piazza was unintentinal and deemed ok, yet the pitch towards garcia was not ok, and pedro is a fucking idiot. You are the fucking idiot, and as a Mets fan I want Clemen's head on a stick, fuckface.

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[schmega]

Wow, schmega, you're a tool. Every arguement you posed basically said that the pitch towards piazza was unintentinal and deemed ok, yet the pitch towards garcia was not ok, and pedro is a fucking idiot. You are the fucking idiot, and as a Mets fan I want Clemen's head on a stick, fuckface.

damn, those Met blinders are STRONG. who knew they made you illiterate, too? where did i say the hit on piazza was ok?

i'll try not to hold your stupidity against you. seeing how you're a Met fan, you have obvious mental deficiencies, and i understand. go ahead, read my posts a few more times, take all the time you need. then if you really want to, keep believing i approved of clemens' hitting piazza. there's very little i can do for you now, you poor mental cripple.

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What the fuck? Is it possible to have an civil and intelligent discussion on something like this on this board, or does it always have to deteriorate into petty name calling?

Grow the fuck up.

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What the fuck is a Met Blinder and why didnt you take your medication this morning?

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[JerryTaker]

Since you tools can't seem to come up with a better comparison then Clemens/Piazza, let's go with what we really need to compare this incident to...

Gamboa..

Remember that disgusting scene in Chicago when that drunk dad and his idiot kid started wailing on the Royal's 1st base coach? When the judge in that case gave those two a slap on the wrist (something like 30 days community service) and gave her (his?) retarded "Mischief and Mayhem" speech, that sent a message to MLB: "Police yourselves, because the justice system will not do shit"

Anytime a non-player, I don't care if he's a fan, a security guard, a groundskeeper or a hot dog vender, as long as he doesn't have a badge, touches, taunts, or threatens a player or coach, the players need to stand up for themselves, because nobody's going to help them. I applaud everyone who rushed to get involved (Posada, Garcia and Nelson) and lose respect for those who just watched (Bernie and Weaver)

Speaking of which, Where the hell was big, tough Jason Giambi in all this? where was he to back up his team? take a hint from Strawberry, Lloyd, and Tino, and show some friggin backbone, and that you can do a little more than strike out 4 times in a night, dipshit...

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[schmega]

What the fuck is a Met Blinder and why didnt you take your medication this morning?

my medication is in the same place where i said beaning piazza was ok.

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not right the sox charged at them first!!!!!

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This message was edited by Duke 04 on 10-12-03 @ 1:00 PM

[Duke]

and another thing what type of world are we living in there is enough fighting going on in the world...now in our national past time we are fighting....this is not right!!

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[Heavy]

The Yanks are not charged with assualt. This thread is premature, innacurate, and uncalled for.

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[mdr55]

For the record, if the Yankees sign Pedro anytime in the future (ala Clemens), welcome to the Yankees! Your one of us now- Now just win.

Questions (I didn't see the game or replay):
1. why did Zimmer go after Pedro? And what was Pedro supposed to do if someone is coming at you? All I know if it was me, I would have decked who ever came at me. Now if Zimmer was wearing a suit, he wouldn't have done it.
2. Did any Yankee go after Pedro after he was shoved Zimmer to the ground? Someone should have tackled his ass or gave him the beat down. When one of your family is attacked, you attack back.
3. Is MLB going to suspend any players involved like they did the Knicks the year they were in the play-offs or is MLB going to wait for the next season to suspend players?
4. Do the Boston police expect to get impartial witnesses to the other incident in the ball-pen with the groundkeeper.

Thanks. I'm trying to be neutral.


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[Duke]

i didnt mean charged like in court sence..i mean as in a attacking sence


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[ADF]

I like what Bloomberg said-



In New York, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Martinez should have been arrested for throwing Zimmer to the ground.

"If that happened in New York we would have arrested the perpetrator," Bloomberg said. "Nobody should throw a 70-year-old man to the ground, period. ... You just cannot assault people, even if it's on a baseball field."


What a moron. Not only did Zimmer go after Pedro first, but Pedro barely pushed him down while he was <i>defending</i> himself. Pedro is a huge baby who threw at a guy because he was losing the biggest game of his life, but he didn't assault anyone.

I don't think anyone can comment on the bullpen thing until we know who started the fight. Sure, the groundskeeper was wrong for waving the towel around, but if Nelson just decided to stomp on the guy's head because of it, then he should indeed be prosecuted. If the groundskeeper started it, he should be fired and prosecuted as well.

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[Justice4all]

ok.....let's chat for a minute about what happened on saturday at Fenway. JUST the one incident if yo do not mind. After all is said and done. (I do not think we have to repeat it over and over again) I see a VERY upset Don Zimmer not only apologize to the Yanks and his family but also to the Red Sox and their FANS. Considering the rivalry and with all that has happened, i think that took ALOT fo class and guts to say that. No one forced him to say anything like that.

And where is Pedro? Sitting at home counting his money and writing that undisclosed check to MLB's front office not giving a shit what he said or did. He will still do it again and again. Manny ramierez is not as bad as Pedro. you will never hear him apologize to anyone for anything he did. He feels he is above everyone else including his team-mates. Prima donna piece of shit (My opinion). I hope someone kicks the crap outta him. He is all tough with a 70+ year old man, let's see how he fares against someone his size.
He is truely the epitomy of "The Pussification of America". (Liked that show throw in huh?)


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[mdr55]

I agree with ADF...Pedro was defending himself. It could have been so much worse.

Maybe Zimmer was delusional and thought that Pedro was George Steinbrenner.

Maybe if Zimmer was wearing a suit, none of this would of have happened.

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[FUNKMAN]

i wonder what it felt like to grab Zimmers head, bowling ball or melon?

people are letting their emotions get the best of them and any Yankee fan who screams for Pedro's apology is a hypocrite if they never screamed for Clemens's apology to Mike Piazza for 2 occassions of throwing something with intent to do harm. It may not be you but most Yankee fans said "screw" Mike Piazza and called it "part of the game"...
Clemens threw at Piazza because Piazza was getting the 'best of him' in previous at-bats.



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[Steels]

2. Did any Yankee go after Pedro after he was shoved Zimmer to the ground?

I have been eagerly waiting for ANYONE to fill me in on that question. None of my friends seem to know, my family isn't sure and this board also hasn't been clear on answering that question. I REALLY want to know what happened the INSTANT Zimmer was thrown to the ground. I was on the road and listening to the radio broadcast hence my confusion.

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[Steels]

people are letting their emotions get the best of them and any Yankee fan who screams for Pedro's apology is a hypocrite if they never screamed for Clemens's apology to Mike Piazza for 2 occassions of throwing something with intent to do harm.

He openly acknowledges his intentions with the bravado of a drunken sailor and all you can do is compare this with the "Piazza" incident. This is what you bring to the table? He then threatens to do the same to "Posada" and this is the argument you offer? You need to get your priorities straightened out. I am a Mets fan all my life and I DON'T like Clemens but this is two entirely different sets of circumstances. Deal with the situation at hand, deal with it being unbiased (if at all possible) and just give an intelligent opinion about the incidents during yesterday's game. You seem to constantly confuse analogies for a means of reasonable argument. Get real and quit your ridiculous arguments. You sure as hell are consistent, consistently wrong.

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[HBox]

Nobody saw what Pedro did to Zimmer. Why? Because Pedro, big burly man that he is, was the last Red Sox out of the dugout. In fact, he barely left the dugout at all. When everybody else was out around the mound, Pedro wanted none of it. My only problem with the Yanks last night was that Zimmer was the Yankee who went after Pedro.

As soon as everyone saw Zimmer lying on the ground, the melee stopped. Even the Red Sox seemed concerned. Pettite was the first to Zimmer on the ground and he asked what happened. I guess Zimmer told him what happened because Pettite looked disgusted. Dave Ortiz was the only player who saw what happened, and by that point, he and the rest of the team were around Pedro.

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[Steels]

Nobody saw what Pedro did to Zimmer. Why? Because Pedro, big burly man that he is, was the last Red Sox out of the dugout. In fact, he barely left the dugout at all. When everybody else was out around the mound, Pedro wanted none of it. My only problem with the Yanks last night was that Zimmer was the Yankee who went after Pedro.

As soon as everyone saw Zimmer lying on the ground, the melee stopped. Even the Red Sox seemed concerned. Pettite was the first to Zimmer on the ground and he asked what happened. I guess Zimmer told him what happened because Pettite looked disgusted. Dave Ortiz was the only player who saw what happened, and by that point, he and the rest of the team were around Pedro.

My most reliable source mirrored your answer. I feared that the clip was edited maliciously to paint Martinez in the worst way possible. I was immediately suspicious when I found it next to impossible to see the clip in it's entirety. I need to see that 4th inning. I felt it was crucial to at least see the several moments before the actual contact. I have made my views on Pedro Martinez very clear in other threads but I refuse to base my opinion on a "clip" that was (in my opinion) intended to paint the media's own agenda.

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[Shecky]

If they want to charge Garcia for getting involved fine, but we all know after this guy taunted Nelson and Nelson got in his face the guy took a swing at him then he gt his ass kicked.

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As usual the red sucks are the yankees bitches and will always be whatever the outcome.

[JohnnyCard]

Wow, there sure is a lot of anger here. And I thought Baseball was just a game.



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[FUNKMAN]

He openly acknowledges his intentions with the bravado of a drunken sailor and all you can do is compare this with the "Piazza" incident. This is what you bring to the table? He then threatens to do the same to "Posada" and this is the argument you offer? You need to get your priorities straightened out.


you say he 'threatens Posada'... do you think for one minute Posada did not say something negative to Pedro prior to Pedro pointing at Posada and threatening him? Pedro just 'out of the blue' picked Posada out?

The Clemens/Piazza situation is a 'valid' comparison.
Pedro threw at Garcia because he was getting hit hard...
Clemens threw at Piazza because Mike had been getting the best of him...

both of them lost control of their emotions...

I never saw any remorse or apology from Clemens, Torre, or anyone from the Yankee team. Clemens can pinpoint a pitch as good as Pedro.

You can say i'm consistently wrong but i would just have to differ with you on that assessment and your opinion on this situation!

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[Steels]

Funkman, the basis of your argument is trying to justify Pedro Martinez's brutish behavior. Could you at least try and be somewhat less ridiculous? You don't have a leg to stand on and all to often rely on analogies and comparisons for lack of a general, solid argument. I don't mean to pick on your crutch but it's quite evident this is pretty much all you ever have to offer. Again, I ask you to look at this situation not as a Yankee hater but as an honest baseball fan. Are you capable as a person with an adult mind (I'm guessing) to share your views on Saturday's game unbiasedly? We don't care what your thoughts are regarding the rights of Yankee fans to be upset, we really don't care. How do you feel about the incidents that occurred during Saturday's game?

Lastly, it is people like you that give the rest of us Met fans a bad name. We don't ALL hate the Yankees and base are opinions out of envy.

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[JerryTaker]

The Clemens/Piazza situation is a 'valid' comparison.


Clemens threw in front of Piazza's head, if you're being thrown at, your first instinctual reaction is to step back.

Pedro threw at Garcia in a way that if he stepped back, he may be dead right now. Fortunately, he ducked, rather than stepped back.

The intentions are completely different

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I feared that the clip was edited maliciously to paint Martinez in the worst way possible. I was immediately suspicious when I found it next to impossible to see the clip in it's entirety.


Here's a shot from a fan on the 3rd base line with a camcorder (rtsp://necn.mirror-image.com/media/video/101203_pedro_12p.rm)

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[Fallon]

you say he 'threatens Posada'... do you think for one minute Posada did not say something negative to Pedro prior to Pedro pointing at Posada and threatening him? Pedro just 'out of the blue' picked Posada out?
Here's what Pedro had to say about it:

``If you go back and look at the whole incident, I don't know why he got so (obsessed) with what happened in the game. I'm just trying to pitch inside and get outs, because I needed outs at that point. I was the one in trouble. I'm not trying to dig myself a deeper hole.''

``I just wanted to get in (on Garcia) and make sure I got (inside), because the previous batter got a hit to right field on a pitch I missed location,'' Martinez said. ``I wasn't feeling all that well in the first three innings.''

The gesture to Jorge Posada, when Martinez pointed to his own head as if he were threatening to plant one in Posada's ear?

``I said, `I'll remember you. I'll remember everything you said to me,' '' Martinez said of the message he was relaying to the Yankees catcher as the two shouted at one another.

What did Posada say?

``I don't want to really express all the bad words he said. If you want to know what he said, go ask him,'' Martinez said.

``I'm just sorry he had to go through that,'' Martinez said, referring to Zimmer. ``I'm sorry for him.''

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``I just wanted to get in (on Garcia) and make sure I got (inside), because the previous batter got a hit to right field on a pitch I missed location,'' Martinez said. ``I wasn't feeling all that well in the first three innings.''


Did he also say "my dog ate my ability to locate my pitches"?

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I have been eagerly waiting for ANYONE to fill me in on that question. None of my friends seem to know, my family isn't sure and this board also hasn't been clear on answering that question.

It was clear in the thread this incident was discussed in from the moment it happened. I cant understand why all these thread open up over the same event and somehow they stay open. I personnally am not going threw all these threads to answer the same questions. Nevermind the fact that the thread title is flat out false and its gone off the original topic anyway

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I think WWFallon's post is admirable being that he is a Red Sox fan. I'm happy to see a stand up person such as yourself share an honest opinion which sheds a poor light on your pitcher. That was a great example of an imparshal person! Fallon clearly shows how this apparent fool (Dominican Dumb-Dumb) thinks he can insult the intelligence of the media, fans and major league baseball. I'm not sure I have seen a bullshit story the likes of what Pedro spewed about this incident ever in my life. Pedro Martinez is obviously a horse's ass.



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Lastly, it is people like you that give the rest of us Met fans a bad name. We don't ALL hate the Yankees and base are opinions out of envy.


i am actually a Yankee fan, but i'm a bigger fan of "FAIR/hard" play. I like to see the Mets do well 'as well'

i'm not trying to 'justify' the actions of either Pedro or Clemens. It is the reactions of the Yankee players, coaches, and most fans that 'in my mind' are hypocritical.

question: Why do you feel the need to 'pepper' your replies to me with insults and putdowns?

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