Clarett Sues NFL Over Draft Eligibility

[Fallon]

NEW YORK - Suspended Ohio State tailback Maurice Clarett sued the NFL on Tuesday, asking a judge to throw out a league rule preventing players from entering the draft until they have been out of high school for three years.

Clarett, who rushed for 1,237 yards and led Ohio State to a national championship as a freshman last season, is not eligible for the draft until 2005 under current rules.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in New York, claims the NFL rule violates antitrust law and harms competition by excluding players who are shy of the three-year requirement. Yahoo! News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&ncid=531&e=1&u=/ap/20030923/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_ohio_st_clarett)

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[Def Dave in SC]

What bullshit. I have no sympathy for this guy at all. Why does he deserve to be let in early? Because he lied to police? Because he was given a free pass through school?

He fucked himself, now he has to live with the consequences. Fuckin idiot!

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What a douchebag. I hope he breaks his leg and start smoking crack.

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What a douchebag. I hope he breaks his leg and starts smoking crack.

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[high fly]

This guy's nothing but trouble and I predict that he'll get nowhere with the lawsuit and his NFL carreer will resemble the NBA carreer of Skip Wise (straight from the streets of Baltimore!).

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[JimBeam]

I dont think he'll win his suit for several reasons :

1) there is no garaunteed right to play in the NFL so its not a civil liberties issue.

2) plenty of employeres have restrictions on hirees. Most if not all police departments require you to be at least 21 and some even require 60 hours of college credit, military service or some combination of both.

They are saying he'll be a 3rd round pick but I cant see a team blowing a million dollars on an unknown.
Even if he does get in I hope Ray Lewis pulls an Adebisi from Oz on him.

I have balls !!!

[furie]

he gots to get paid.


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[JimBeam]

For gaining 1237 yards as only the 6th best RB in the Big 10 and 31st best in Div-1 ??
Not likely.
There have been far better players, with far better numbers, who have played even 3 years of college that never made it in the NFL.
Rashan Salaam, Eric Bienemy ( thats going back a while ), Ki-Jana Carter etc.


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[Snoogans]

What bullshit. I have no sympathy for this guy at all. Why does he deserve to be let in early? Because he lied to police? Because he was given a free pass through school?

He fucked himself, now he has to live with the consequences. Fuckin idiot!

first off, he can go play somewhere else, wait 2 years, and then play pro. if anyone actually pays attention to sports, there was talk of him doin this right after his frosh year because he wanted to come out early. he is just now acting on it. why is it wrong.
kids can go to basketball from HS, they routinely do from baseball and hockey. so the kid wants to start his career early, so what.
lemme ask you this def dave, if you were an amazing guitarist, better than anyone around, and they told you you cant sign a record deal for 3 years cause your not old enough, no matter the level of talent. thats pretty unfair, so is it sayin he cant play football if he is good enough because he is 19.
and if you wanna get on athletes, how bout go yell at chris webber for accepting 600,000 dollars while he was in college, lying to a FEDERAL GRAND JURY, and now is refusing to pay the money back.

jesus christ let the kid play football, ya know he is older than labron james

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[Snoogans]

They are saying he'll be a 3rd round pick but I cant see a team blowing a million dollars on an unknown.
Even if he does get in I hope Ray Lewis pulls an Adebisi from Oz on him.

no, no team would ever waste money on an unknown (ryan leaf). how bout the fact that the bills took willis mcgahee, after what was supposed to be a career threatening injury, in the first round. and, if i recall, who was the RB on the team that beat mcgahees in the national championship. are you guys gonna tell me that when mcgahee was a soph the last year miami won it all, you wouldnt have taken him if he was allowed to enter.

everyone who is drafted is an unkown. shit teretta won the heisman, then went in round 7. ryan leaf was the second pick overall, and blew. the jets took Ken O Brian with marino still available.
let the kid try to play, if he cant, he gets cut, and doesnt get paid. if he can, then he just basically told everyone to shut the fuck up.
but dont keep the kid who will definately be "hired" by someone from being allowed to work because of his age

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[Fallon]

People are allowed to play in the NBA and NHL as young at 18, he should have the same chance in the NFL.

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[Snoogans]

oh and JimBeam, dont gimmie shit about stats. rickey williams set the collegate rushing record. he is a beast. ron dayne broke the record, the only thing he is beasting is fuckin pies.

there is a hell of alot more that makes a football player that coaches and scouts see that we dont then just the stats. Clarett carried the buckeyes with almost everything in his body hurting them, and by the way took them to the TOP

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[JimBeam]

You're not keeping him from playing in that manner.
As I said in a previous post, its not his right to play in the NFL, its a privelege. And he has to be granted that privelege under the same cicumstances as everybody else.
Leaf and Torretta were QB's, a much more important position.
RBs are a dime a dozen.
If you go down this route than the universities will have to have the right to not give scholarships to those players that they feel might want to leave before they've met their commitment.
Wouldnt that be fair ?
That way that scholarship can go to a kid that wants to play college football and wants an education and not wasted on somebody thats only gonna play 1 or 2 years.
Its gotta be even on both sides.

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[Snoogans]

1) there is no garaunteed right to play in the NFL so its not a civil liberties issue.

though ill debate your opinions JB, this is fact and a wrong one. McGahee got insurance because he had enough signed affidavids to say he would definately be drafted. its like reccomendations. if more than 5 certifide NFL scouts sign a statement sayin he will be drafted no doubt, which clarett will, then that gives him the right to play. thats what this lawsuit is. if no one was sayin he is definately goin to get drafted, he wouldnt have sued, cause its goin to cost him a whole hell of alot of money.
so yes, at certain level of skill, there is a right to work there, and according to the scouting of the NFL, he has earned it

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[Snoogans]

That way that scholarship can go to a kid that wants to play college football and wants an education and not wasted on somebody thats only gonna play 1 or 2 years.

first, my above post clarifies that he does in fact have the right to play. sports businesses, though similar, do not work the same way as normal ones. coke doesnt get millions of dollars a year from the soft drink shared revenue dept like football teams do.
you also seem to think a 3rd round pick gets millions. if he goes in the top of round 3, your lookin at a base salary of around 300,000 dollars before incentives, which have to be earned. take a financial law class, they go over alot of contract legalitites and things. he is sueing not to play.
THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART-you think he is sueing to play, he is sueing for a change to be eligable for a team to employ him IF THEY WANT. all he is challenging is an age restriction, you guys are killing him as if he is sueing for money
edit:forgot to address the quote, how many basketball players take scholarships and leave after 1 year. most. dont start being hipocritical just because it was unprecedented. if it wasnt for the first basketball player to do it, kobe, KG, and t mac would have went to school. they didnt have to, why does clarett
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[JimBeam]

I didnt say a 3rd round pick would get millions, I said a million.
3rd round is still high potential round and those people make good money. The difference between a 3rd and a 7th ( where he'd make in the 100,00s ).
Baseball generates more draftees than football and basketball confined and they state clearly that if you enter college you are not eligible to be drafted until after your 3rd year. Why has nobody challenged that ? Because they cant win. If all of the owners and teams are in agreement with each other than nobody is going to risk being alienated over it. Especially not over a guy that hasnt proven a thing.
I'm all for not giving basketball players scholarships either. Baseball teams carry 25= players and they are only allowed 11.7 scholarships a year. The majority of kids that play college baseball are either paying for it themselves, have an academic scholarship, or only receive a partial scholarship.
So how then will these football players and basketball players show their stuff ?
It shouldnt be at the cost of a state's tax payer dollars should it ?
Again its nobody's right to play football at NFL. Its an opportunity. Dont you think a guy that has 3 years of college in him and doesnt make it in the NFL has a better shot of being succesful ( I know that depends on your values of what is and isnt ) than somebody right out of HS or with one year of college ?


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[JimBeam]

If you're reasoning holds true how come nobody has been able to overturn Prop 48 stating that you have to have a certain set of grades in order to be eligible ?
Clearly a lot of less educated people that can play football should have the right to play regardless of their education no ??
But somehow this has managed to stand pat for 10+ years.
If the NFL can demand that a team interview minority candidats for jobs than clearly than can govern who can and cant play.
To make a team interview and use its resources on arbitrary candidates, whether good intentioned or not, is clearly a violation of laissez-faire economics.

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[Snoogans]

no one has challenged the rule because no one has been good enough. no one was ever even talked about in that light until clarett. you dont seem to understand he was the best back in the country. INTANGABLES. he led that team who had a pretty shitty QB to the title that they had no business winning, probably even playing for. and no third round pick gets millions. dont believe me, believe that the giants drafted will allen in the first round from syracuse. he got a 7 yr, 10 mill deal, 4 of which was signing bonus, meaning his salary is still under a million a year. that was a late first rounder. 3rd rounds are lucky to get 500k a year after the signing bonus, which isnt a stellar one to begin with.

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[Snoogans]

If you're reasoning holds true how come nobody has been able to overturn Prop 48 stating that you have to have a certain set of grades in order to be eligible

cause thats a college rule, set forth by an academic institution. you cant begin to compare college football to pro. pro football rules go by money and ratings. college rule goes by the schools, which is why you cant play if your grades suck. the school says that, not the league.

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[JimBeam]

Dont tell me he was the best back in the country because his team won the Nat'l title.
If that was the case Derrick Lassic of the Alabama Crimson Tide's 92 Nat'l title team was the best back that year ?
Ki-jana Crater's team finished undefeated the year he came out, but yet he still lost the Heisman to Rasahan Salaam, both mentioned earlier.
I just have to be clear that that is what you are sying ?
That he was the best back because he led his team to the title ?
No counting anything that Krenzel did in that game huh ?
Or their defense ?
Or the fact that they are undefetaed without Clarett.

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[JimBeam]

Snoogans,
If anything college is as much if not more about money. Hence the BCS and 27+ bowl games.
The schools with 90000+ seat stadiums. The schools that offer about 15% of the seating to students and sell the rest as season tickets.
The shoe deals ? Jersey deals ?
Notre Dame's television deal ?
College is all about money.

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[Snoogans]

no sir, first off, i didnt say clarett was the best back because they won. READ. i said its cause he took them there. he was there whole team, the QB was garbage. without clarett that team is 8-4. and the NCAA is about money, but the money doesnt go to players. the school sets their eligibility rules, all of which are more stingent then the NCAA's. and they grease these kids through so they can play. dont think cause clarett took a little money, he is the wrong one. think of how much the school used him for. once again, this is challenging to have the right to try to play, not challenging to play, you are missing that point. Clarett was considering doing the same thing after they won because he was good enough, and that was before anything. no that he isnt at ohio state, he could go to almost any other school, he just wants to go pro. why are you getiin on a guy for tryin to do something to earn a living.

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[Snoogans]

Or the fact that they are undefetaed without Clarett.

you rally without the star. when bonds' dad died and he left the team, those guys rallied and won a bunch. dont try to tell me they would have done that all year. they were like 4-0 without him, they wouldnt have been in the champ, maybe even the BCS if he wasnt there all year. thats what im sayin

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[JimBeam]

Because there are plenty of other livings to be made out there. And that will be one reason that he'll lose this case. They will argue that he is not being kept from making money playing football, he can do that in the Arena league, or in Canada or in smipro. They are going to argue that their rules are in the best interest of all involved and that one man is not bigger than the system.
Let me make my point clear, I'm not trying to prevent him from playing or care if he does. I know he'll wash out. My point is that he's not owed anything by anybody. he got a years worth of college at one of the better colleges in the country without having to pay a dime. If he wants to walk away from that he can, and get into a job market that isnt exactly robust.
Change the rule so that you can come in out of HS, like basketball, but that if you go to college you cant get drafted for 3 years, like baseball.
I have no problem with that. If a 210 lb RB from Clinton HS thinks he can be as good as Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, et al than let him try.
He made a commitment to Ohio St and why shouldnt he be held to that ?

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[Snoogans]

Because there are plenty of other livings to be made out there. And that will be one reason that he'll lose this case. They will argue that he is not being kept from making money playing football, he can do that in the Arena league, or in Canada or in smipro

here is where that law class i told you about would help. the law is unconstitutional. nothing in the makings of the NFL prevent him from playing aside from that rule. dont gimmie other jobs limit age, no job is legally allowed to limit age to one above 18 unless insurance reasons prevent, like limo drivers. the insurance co wont touch someone that young, so hence the restriction. such is not the case in the NFL, at the time the law was implimented it was good. but with the better developement of the body and better ways for strengthening and conditional, the physical difference has been lessened greatly. the law is basically sayin its too rough to play that young, your not physically ready. that isnt always the case anymore. and btw, hockey drafts as young as 16 out of juniors and theoretically could have a 16 yr old in the NHL if he had the talent, so why shouldnt this 19 year old adult be afforded the same rights. it violates his rights cause everything and every circumstance allows him to play except for an subjective rule

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[Snoogans]

My point is that he's not owed anything by anybody. he got a years worth of college at one of the better colleges in the country without having to pay a dime. If he wants to walk away from that he can, and get into a job market that isnt exactly robust.
Change the rule so that you can come in out of HS, like basketball, but that if you go to college you cant get drafted for 3 years, like baseball.

wtf are you talking about. he didnt give up college, they kicked him out. also, in baseball, you can be drafted and signed to a contract at any age over 16. you can also be drafted, return to college, and then enter the draft again much to the dismay of philly fans (JD Drew)
i never mind someone debating me, but come with correct facts if your goin to

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[JimBeam]

Apparently you are the one lacking the facts.
They did not kick him out of school they kicked him off of the football team for reasons that he violated his eligiblity. In fact they were going to let him keep his scholarship. So you are wrong there.
Secondarily JD Drew left college and refused to sign with the team that drafted him. He couldnt not go back to college, and PLAY, because he had played his 3rd year of college and had taken an agent. Nor could a player play 2 years in college, go into the draft, and then go back because as stated several times before baseball does not allow a player to be drafted without having spent 3 years in college, unless it was right out of HS. If they redshirt a year and are a sophmore they are eligible. Plenty of players get drafted and play pro baseball and go back and play college football. What Drew did was play for an independent pro baseball team. He couldnt have gone back to college to play even if he wanted to do so.

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[Snoogans]

first off sir, clarett was kicked off the team, and tressel suggested to the school they should revoke his scholarship. being im sure ohio state goosed him through, probably that was wise. funny you say drew never re-entered the draft, though i watched the draft the cardinals got him in. he might not have gone back to FSU to play, but he was drafted twice, he sat out the year because when you are drafted, you have to if you dont play for that team, no matter what sport. and who cares about that, clarett was booted. if you are on a football scholarship, and you are kicked off, then the coach asks your scholarship to be taken away, you were kicked out.

and since you said you dont care if he gets drafted and you know he'll flop, why are you against him tryin.

ill say right here, he will beat this law. listen to all the sports writers when they talk about it. they all know the law will never stand up because it defys higher laws. the reason no one ever tried it is because its expensive, will take time, and most people arent ready for the league. the only reason he is challenging is cause he doesnt wanna sit out a year of college, doesnt wanna go 1AA. he has free time so why not challenge it, he will win

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[JimBeam]

The only way to make it plausable is to do it like this :

1) A player accepts a scholarship to play any sport in college and he's allwed the 4 ( or 5 if he redshirts ) years of free schooling, books, etc.

But if that player decides to break what is essentially a contract, than he must payback any and all of the funding that would have been spent on his behalf during his stay.

Now I work in finance and I deal with contracts all the time, so I dont need the business or law classes that you've asked me to take, and that above scenario is exactly the contract that we have with the restaurants that use our services. You receive x amount of funding per year for x amount of years, but if at anytime you break that contract, either to get another deal or just to clse, you owe back all funding that you had accrued and or/were paid upon.

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[Snoogans]

except thats not how NFL contracts work. signing bonus is the players no matter what. they pay a base salary for services, and usually for rookies add incentives. thats rookies, no guarenteed money. when you get into guarenteed money, its different. say im a giant, and they give me 3 years, 20 mill, 8 of it is a signing bonus, and all guarenteed. all of a sudden i dont wanna play anymore. all i do is say i retire, and hey guess what, i still get my 4 mill a year.

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[high fly]

I can just see Al Davis jumping in and trying to sign the bastard, NOT because he thinks Clarett would be good for his team or anything, but simply to be an asshole.

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[JimBeam]

This is what you said :

funny you say drew never re-entered the draft, though i watched the draft the cardinals got him in. he might not have gone back to FSU to play

I never said that Drew couldnt be drafted again, I said that he could never play college ball again.

I know the whole scenario, if there's one sport that I follow fanatically its college baseball so I'm well aware of what Drew did.

And you say that no job can restrict age ? As stated before plenty of law enforcement agencies do it. I was a State Trooper in Louisiana and in order to get selected you had to be 21 years of age or older, have at least 60 hours of college ( essentially an associates degree ),military service and or a combination of the two. In fact up until 1979 you had to be male and at least 6 feet tall to be a LST. That obvioously was considered unreasonable and therefore changed.

The FBI says you must have a college degree or have graduated law school.
Those are restrictions. Arent those governed by the same higher law that football is ?

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[JimBeam]

I think we are crossing arguments.
I said I dont care if a player goes to the NFL w/out playing college football.
I am saying that if they do chose to go to college, in the best intrests of everybody, they should be made to stay and honor a commitment because they have essentailly taken the chance to play college ball and get an education away from a another maybe less talented player that has no dream of playing in the NFL. Maybe they'd rather get a degree in accounting and then a masters in business administration and make a $150,000+ guarnanteed. Instead of getting the $300,000 up front, blow out a knee or not make it at all, and then possibly ( as I stated earlier millions of people make a fine living w/out a college degree ) not be prepared to work for a living.

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[Snoogans]

i know a kid who was drafted by the twins, decided to go to st johns, stayed 1 years, left 1 year, and is now in the minors again. this would be his 3rd year of college, though he has been drafted twice. his name is eric potts, he played for ridgefield park HS. call him up and ask him how he got to enter the draft again without completing 3 years of college

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[Snoogans]

I am saying that if they do chose to go to college, in the best intrests of everybody, they should be made to stay and honor a commitment because they have essentailly taken the chance to play college ball and get an education away from a another maybe less talented player that has no dream of playing in the NFL. Maybe they'd rather get a degree in accounting and then a masters in business administration and make a $150,000+ guarnanteed

first i think we did cross, i was mighty confused back there.
2, so why isnt every kid who accepts a scholarship for basketball forced to honor it. they did the same thing. its not fair that they can leave and other cant. the other point is, scholarships are devided. there are acedemics ones, and a certain number for each sport. they dont go to less talented people. 50% at least of division one college football players are not on scholarship. so just cause he took his, the next guy that woulda got it would just been the next best RB who wanted to do the same thing

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[JimBeam]

And I guarantee this is how he did it :

Drafted by the Twins out of HS.
Didnt sign and went to St Johns.
Either didnt play much,wasnt good enough, got hurt or for whatever reason left college after one year.
DID not get drafted again, but rather signed as a free agent after a combine or an individual workout.

Ask your own friend I guarantee thats how it went.

I went to college with Brandon Larson, who played for the Reds this year, he came to LSU his junior year ( after spending 2 years at a JUCO ) and spent only 1 year there. He hit 40+ homeruns that year and helped LSU win their 4th title in 7 years. he came to LSU instead of going in the draft because he had to, he had no choice. He couldnt be drafted until he finished his 3rd year.
Just this past year LSU had Aaron Hill, drafted by the Bluejays in the first round, he was a freshman All-American and had to wait until his 3rd year before he copuld leave college.

Its possible that eitherof those 2 guys, and about 2 dozen more could have left school and tried out as fee agents but I'm unclear on whether that wouldbe allowed. What I can assure you of is that they could not have been drafted.

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[JimBeam]

Exactly.
I didnt say this should be limited to football. I think basketball abuses it much more.
I'd say keep it across the board.
In one of my previous posts I listed the limits on college baseball scholarships.
That is one of the main reasons that college baseball is so under represented by minorities, most specifically blacks.
When given the choice of " wasting " 3 years in college and the chance of getting hurt or taking a contract right out of HS, many less afluent, and in that case not just minorities because college tuitions are very expensive, would take the money.
Many college baseball players come from middle class and higher families and can afford to pay for college in hopes of bettering their future draft prospects.
In a way it sounds prejudicial, but its the way things work out.

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[Snoogans]

i was at the second draft party he had. the twins took him outta HS, and he didnt wanna go to minnie. so he went to st johns, didnt get hurt or anything, just left school for his own reason. stayed out a year, never took an agent, and did infact re-enter. the blue jays took him in like the 14th round or something dumb, he is playin A ball right now.

unless they threw a fake draft party, i dont know.

that dont matter, he was a dumbass for leaving school anyway, and he wont make the show.



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[JimBeam]

Incidentally we are the only 2 to have really posted anything here in the last 20 posts so we have either bored them to death or there is just no interest in this topic any longer.
LOL

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[Snoogans]

jim ill actually agree with that, its should be across the board that there is a limit. that being said, its not, and so if they can, you shouldnt be able to keep this kid from doin to. thats what im sayin. i think every college athlete in any sport should play 3 years, but the reason that will never happen has to do with the country. kids will be allowed to enter sports at young ages till the olympic teams stop recruting 14 yr old girls for gymnastics and 16 year old figure skaters

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[douchebagsean]

Gary Myers wrote an article on this subject in the local ny daily news. in essence the nfl has a right to set minimum requirements for the workplace. the main issue at hand is that clarrett is nowheres near being physically ready to play in the nfl. in this particular column tiki barber was quoted as saying out of high school he weighed 180, and by the time his college career was over he weighed in at 200 lbs and had 5 times the stregnth. bottom line...high school athelets are seldom mentally, emotionally or more importantly physically mature to deal with the pros...imagine this kid trying to run past warren sapp...man that brother will eat him alive and his career could suffer. it takes yrs for players in the nba who skip college to get to a level where they can compete on a night in night out basis. heres the article:
ny daily news gary myers (http://www.nydailynews.com/11-05-2002/sports/col/myers/story/120257p-108328c.html)

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[Snoogans]

good, fuck em, they missed out on a good debate. im always up for one anyway, and for once someone didnt get angry at me. and now that our points are straight, i agree with your principal, just also think things should be equal, so if ballers can leave for the pro hardwood early, not fair that footballers cant

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[Snoogans]

yeah but sean, the point is why cant he try. whether or not he will do it doesnt matter, teams will sign him so why shouldnt he be allowed to try. and i mean, he did play a year in college, its not like he is turning 18, he'll be 20 before he plays a down. its not that big a difference. if the NBA lets them have a shot, let clarett, or make it fair and a universal age, otherwise the law wont hold up

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[JimBeam]

I actually came across this when I was looking to see if your buddy was drafted ( I was looking in 2001 ) :

Certain groups of players are ineligible for selection, generally because they are still in school. The basic categories of players eligible to be drafted are:


High school players, if they have graduated from high school and have not yet attended college or junior college;

College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old; Junior college players, regardless of how many years of school they have completed; and

21-year-old players

I was mistaken on the JUCO players.

Baseball Draft Eligibility (http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/mlb_draft_story_headline.jsp?story_page=draft_rule s)

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[douchebagsean]

i agree with u that in theory he could be given a chance to play but the only reason hes suing the nfl is because he fucked himself over. the nfl should be allowed to set whatever rules it wants for its league. because if the league suffers and need to allow younger players to join it they will change in time or fade away. there also needs to be some level of personal responsiblity this asshole lied about the amount of money and goods stolen from his car and the fact that he even had those goods in the first place raises questions about financial improprieties. if this was you or i we would have been prosecuted for among other things filling a false report. meanwhile this privaleged asshole is allowed to sue the nfl because he fucked himself over, please give me a break i dont feel sorry for him at all. lets not also forget that his grades were all bullshit i wish i had people to take my tests for me back in the day. he got what he deserves and if theres any justice hell be told to go home and stop bitching. but snoogans i do agree that the rule could be looked at in the future

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[JimBeam]

I've gotta agree more with Snoogans than I do you Douche ( feel funny callinga dude that, LOL ).
I dont think they can, or should, argure that he cant get drafted because he might get hurt. Plenty of guys come out after 4 years of ball at a top flight school and cant cut it because they cant physcally keep up and the flip side is you get a guy from a smaller, less known scholl who played less spectacular teams, and he comes in and is a work horse.
I think they have to stand with the fact that its not a guarantee that he's alowed to play. And if its not because of race, religion, etc than its not a violation.

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[Snoogans]

thats it JB, he was 19 when he grad HS, so he was 21 before his 3 years of college. thank you for that cause i was wondering why the fuck it didnt make sense

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[Snoogans]

first of all, if my car ever gets stolen, my 300 dollar ram golf clubs were 1200 dollar nike's. so he wanted some loot, oh well. he didnt fuck himself, the school fuckin greased him through, all around him was people gettin gettin gettin cause of him, so he wanted some of his own. he just got caught

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[Snoogans]

JB, you brought me back to where i was before. he is guarenteed to be employed in the NFL. the scouts have signed the avidavids, just like they did so mcgahee got that insurance policy from lloyds of london. clarett is a draft lock, therefore is guarenteed a job, the age is the only hold up. i think because of that, the courts overturn, like most experts are thinkin

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[JimBeam]

Snoogs, not to break stones or anything, but I think your bussd might have washed out. I cant find him.

Minor Leagues (http://www.attheplate.com/2002/02_al_minors.htm)

Maybe he just needed to throw a party.
LOL
Just kidding dude, its all good. I thin we've seen each others point.


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[Snoogans]

actually yea your right dude, he is out of the minors now. fuck i should go see if he is back around, i have talked to him since march

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[douchebagsean]

snoogs ur right about the college greasing him through...dont get me started on the bullshit ncaa dn phony college programs. turth be told id like to see clarett enter the nfl, break his leg and ohio state u to go bankrupt. damn how did i get to be so bitter and vindictive anyways nice discussion considering im half in the bag

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[Snoogans]

why do you want the kid to get hurt, he is just tryin to make a living doing what he is best at. no one wants labron james to break his leg, and he is a fuckin year younger than clarett, no one is bitching about carmello anthony, basically the same college career as clarett, 1 year, win it all, move along

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[Snoogans]

i dont know, i look at the fact that baseball teams are signing 16 year olds and hockey kids are gettin signed by 16 and i just say none of them should be allowed, but since a few are, you cant be unfair.
everyone should have to go to school, but like i said earlier, untill the olympic teams stop settin presedence by using 13-17 year olds, kids will never stop tryin to go pro, and like i said, mark my words, clarett is gonna fuckin win

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[Heavy]

get a room already. he shouldnt be able to play.

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[Snoogans]

why johnee, if teams wanna sign him, why shouldnt he be allowed

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[Snoogans]

he's 19, he can smoke, he can vote, he can go to war and get fuckin shot at, godforbid he tries to make money doing what he is best at, what a fuckin criminal

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[JimBeam]

Actually I dont wanna see Lebron James break his leg.
I want him to get cancer.

I know I'm jumping topics here but that argument about being able to be 18 and get killed fighting for your country, especially in this day and age, is as ridiculous as anything.
I think we should place a little more value on someone having to put their asses on the line for our liberties rather than some jackass being able to drink in the parking lot of a Kmart when he's 18.
It would be different if service in the miltary was mandatory. The that argument would hold water.

Just because something can be done doesnt mean it should be.
You act like the only thing this guy can do is play football. What if he doesnt make it, should he be allowed to sue Oh St, his HS, for not making him ready ?
Should he be granted unemployment ?
He should get a real job like 98% of US.

I just feel bad that you're hitching your wagon to a guy that may score 2 more TDs in the NFL than you, johnee or I will.




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[Snoogans]

thats a great point jim, thats what i meant. thats such a huge burder to put on an 18 year old kid to defend his country, and here are people making a big deal about a 19 year old who just wants a shot at making the show

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[JimBeam]

OK so thats the deal.
He puts on a pack, spends 2 years humping in the bush ( not that I did or you did, LOL) and when he comes back we'll let him get flattened by Ray Lewis, Jevon Kearse, etc.

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[Snoogans]

hahaha. NO JIM. riddick bowe showed that those guys are made to be a special breed. this is just football, let him try, and if he sucks he'll get cut

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[JimBeam]

OK, but I'm not backing off on wanting Lebron James to get cancer of the sac.

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[Heavy]

why johnee, if teams wanna sign him, why shouldnt he be allowed


No, they shouldnt be able to. Theres a rule against it, and I'm sure its for a good reason. If they dont want non college people in their game then so be it. The human body grows a great deal between age 18 and 21, maybe theyre just trying to keep injuries down. All i know is that this guys a scumbag and he deserves to suffer for being an imature jackass, that why i like this rule right now. Dont ask me any more questions, because im not opening this thread again.

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