Hillary Duff & Ethics

[Steels]

Theory (yet VERY true as well):

Hillary Duff is 15 years old and extremely attractive to most males of ALL ages.

What does this mind set make for that adult male?

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[RageCage]

A boner.

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[JustJon]

Luckily she'll be 16 on the 28th.

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[mdr55]

Do you got a pic? Who is she?

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[Steels]

A big reason I am a fan of the "Ron & Fez" show is because I can't stand regular television other than sports and a handful of cable programming. This said, I'm not to knowledgeable about television or the "Disney" channel for that matter. I have seen this woman excuse me GIRL here and there on television and always thought she was very attractive (and I tend not to be attracted to white women) but had no idea who she was. I mean I flat out thought she was mint. I honestly believed she was in her early 20's and only several years younger than me. Tonight my girlfriend's little sister was watching a movie at my place (we were baby sitting) and I noticed that "Duff" was staring in it. Turns out Katie (the little sister) is a big fan of hers and filled me in on her bio. I was shocked and I'll have to admit somewhat embarrassed to find out that this female was 15 years old hence this thread.

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fuck ethics
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[monsterone]

there wouldn't be this word if it didn't exist:



jailbait- "jale bate" - a girl you would love to tap but is too young.


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[TheMojoPin]

Modern media is mucking with our perception of what is "morally" acceptable when it comes to sexual attraction.

Bust THIS...

When "True Lies" came out in 1994 and I was 15, I was all about Eliza Dushku in thast movie, and she was 14 at the time. No problems, right? Well, now I'm 24, I still think she's pretty goddamn gorgeous these days...but it's not like I "stopped" being attracted to the 14-year-old version. It's not something I could or would act upon, but that feeling/lust/affection/whatever is forever stuck in existence because that movie is NEVER going to go away. I grew up...so did Eliza...but not THAT Eliza.

So who gives a damn when Hillary Duff turns 18, or whatever legal age is required to make it "OK"? That doesn't suddenly make it "alright" in society's eyes to lust after her work as a 15-16-year-old. Are we more or less attracted to different versions of these celebrities, as opposed to the person themselves? They may get older and more "legal", but the underage versions are still going to be there...so what holds the more thrill? The reruns of the 16-year-old Hillary Duff or the music videos of the 19-year-old Hillary Duff? Is there a difference? SHOULD there be a difference?

Think about it.

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[schmega]

i'm like Lester Burnham here. i'll soooo fantasize about her, but if by some miracle i could get her on my couch on a stormy night, i'd stop myself when i realize she's still a kid.

damn those jaggovs at disney for making me crave juvenile poon!

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[Steels]

fuck ethics pass me a rag

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

BRAVO!


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True, so you are saying it is only natural but a desire that should not be acted on. I happen to agree but notice that most people would find an adult male lusting after a 15 year old girl as immoral and sick.

I want to share a theory here and I'll try and be as clear as possible. I have been blessed and I am grateful to have had a good share of intimacy with some wonderful women from the time I was the age of 14 until the present. My first girlfriend was Brazilian (Madeline) and a year younger than me (13 years old, and filled out at an early age). This girl had the body and face of a goddess and easily passed as MUCH older (which I was always envious of at the time). We went out for about a year and I can say to everyone that reads this that I have not to this very day been with another woman that possessed the god given gifts she had. That is by no means a detriment to the type of women I have been privy to but I hope you understand my point. Now when I think about the different relationships and women (ages ranging from 13 - 29) I have been with through my life I can tell you physically they have all been pretty much the same (various body types but the same as in fully developed). While in high school the 15 and 16 year old girls looked the same naked as a 23 year old would look now (if she is taking care of herself), I know I have seen both sides well enough. Now I have never dated an underage girl in my adulthood nor do I ever plan to but I am surprised to find it looked upon as such a taboo. Dating or having a relationship with such a girl would in my eyes be extremely weird in a sense that emotionally and intellectually you would have very little in common but thats not my point. I am talking about attraction, lust and sex.

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[TheMojoPin]

I think the difference becomes VERY obvious when you have so many "overage" schmucks who would jump an underage girl just BECAUSE she's underage as opposed to some kind of "real" attraction of any depth or legtimacy. How many of these girls are "hot" not because of actual unique beauty, but simply because there's the "thrill" of them being underage, yet they're presented as "young women?"

Hillary Duff is an attractive girl, but let's be honest...there's about two dozen new pop or even porn "starlets" every other Tuesday who are basically rockin' the same look. Hillary is "more attractive" because of what she doesn't do and, most importantly, "CAN'T" do.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

you know for the past year i've looked at threads like this and have said to myself "wow, these guys can't legally get with hillary duff/olsen twins/whoever and I can, haha." And I just realized that because i recently turned 18 i've now joined the club. And I feel really bad because now what seemed natural just a couple of months ago is now technically immoral and fucking hilary duff's headhole would now be rape. I think that sucks...

[TheMojoPin]

"wow, these guys can't legally get with hillary duff/olsen twins/whoever and I can, haha."

On Earth-2, it actually DID seem like a viable option. Once they got over that whole "flying instead of walking" thing.

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[Furtherman]

I don't think she's anything special. Give me Avril.

[Death Metal Moe]

Not that I'd suggest this, but didn't women get married in their early teens back in Biblical times? I thought Mary was betrothed to Joseph at like 14 or something like that.


That's just fucking weird. But I guess when you life span was like 40 years you wanted to get the most out of your life.

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[TheMojoPin]

Not that I'd suggest this, but didn't women get married in their early teens back in Biblical times? I thought Mary was betrothed to Joseph at like 14 or something like that.

Not even because of general lifespan, but more simply because of the fact that women had to have the children, and the older they got the more likely they and the child were to die during childbirth. And how old was Jospeh was supposed to be? The illustrations always make it look like Kenny Rogers is shaking up with Natalie Portman.

Ah well, any way you look at it, we eventually found science and stopped being stupid.

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[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]I take some good natured ribbing from some friends who know I think Duffy and Amanda Bynes are both smoking. But I make no apologies for this.

Nature says they're hot, that's good enough for me.

I just had this conversation with Silera the other night. I wouldn't fuck a 16 year old because the law forbids it. And even if it didn't, I'd still think it was wrong. But that aside, the dick wants what the dick wants.



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[mdr55]

I wouldn't fuck a 16 year old because the law forbids it. And even if it didn't, I'd still think it was wrong.


Wasn't Traci Lords like 16 when she started making porn movies? Tell me you never seen one of her old videos. She was like the #1 seller or at the top at that time wasn't she before her real age came out.

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[TheMojoPin]

Adults are stupid.

Kids are even stupider, and as such it's easy to trick their little, stupid minds into having sex with adults for all the wrong, stupid reasons.

That alone is reason enough to me to have the laws we do.

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[Steels]

Some of you make excellent points and I believe the practice of marrying at a very early age was even much sooner than all the way back to biblical times. Most males aren't stupid and know when the women they are with is being flirted with or fawned over. I seen it personally done to my 13 year old girlfriend (I was 14 at the time) for over a year shamelessly. Did anyone act on this "flirtatious" behavior? No. Where grown men (of all ages) obviously taken by her? Yes. Do I myself now an adult look at a her picture while she was 13 (a cute respectful one) or an old memory and think this is not attractive to me? No, because at any age I was at she was always a "physical" goddess. She was more woman at 13 than 95% of the women on earth and I'm glad I have raised this point for it has always bothered me. This is only on a "sexual" level, a relationship or anything further than sex would be impossible due to the different states and levels we would be at emotionally and intellectually.

So while a male would not act on lusting after a 13, 14 or 15 year old girl (when developed) it is not considered immoral? I don't think so at all and I will take it another level and say that it is completely natural. I will also say that ANY attractive woman will agree because they have seen this on a daily basis since they have developed.

*Disclaimer

While I am NOT a parent I have to believe that their opinions would be different based solely on their natural love and protectiveness for their children.

Adults are stupid.

Kids are even stupider, and as such it's easy to trick their little, stupid minds into having sex with adults for all the wrong, stupid reasons.

That alone is reason enough to me to have the laws we do.


Great point of view and I agree.

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[Melrapuo]

I'd do her. But I'm allowed. I'm 16.

And in Jersey, the legal age is 16 (I think...)

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[Steels]

For argument's sake let's say we are gauging the legal age on the premise that we are dealing with males that are 24 years old and older.

I highly doubt 16 years old is legal.

I believe while not being positive that 17 years old is legal in the state of New York and 18 most everywhere else. I think it would be appropriate for this thread to find out the actual laws. Any help would be appreciated.

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[Melrapuo]

Weren't they talking about the legal age on Ron & Fez last week? Or was that something else...

SOMETHING is legal at the age of 16 in New Jersey. I thought it was sex, but now I'm unsure. I wish I still had the site...

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[blakjeezis]

I highly doubt 16 years old is legal.

Technically, it is, in NJ at least. The age of consent is 16. Also, there is a 3 year law, I think it's 3, it may be 4 or 5. If one partner is under 18 and one is over, there must be no more than 3 years' difference between them:

Any sex under 16, no good.

Sex between two 16 or 17 year olds, good.

Sex between a 16 or 17 year old and an 18, 19 year old, good.

Sex between a 16 year old and a 20 year old and up, no good.

Sex between a 17 year old and a 20 year old, good.

Sex between a 17 year old and a 21 year old and up, no good.

If it's 4 or 5 years the numbers change, but I think you get the idea.

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[RageCage]

CA- 18
DC- 16
MD- 16
NJ- 16
NY- 17
VA- 18

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[JohnnyCash]

Damn,I didnt know shes only 15...
Ah, I dont care...

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"wow, these guys can't legally get with hillary duff/olsen twins/whoever and I can, haha."
It was illegal then, too. Incremently more acceptable? Yes.

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[Se7en]

Hillary Duff?

I'd sneak it if I could.

Not that I'd suggest this, but didn't women get married in their early teens back in Biblical times? I thought Mary was betrothed to Joseph at like 14 or something like that.

Biblical times? Hell, they were doing it just a couple hundred years ago.


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[Steels]

How about this one, has this ever happened to you?

A few weeks ago I was in the supermarket and in one of the aisles I strolled past a woman with killer legs, an ass to die for....just a flat out brick house. She was looking through the freezer so I caught just about everything but her face. Well I wasn't going to let this opportunity slip away so I made my way back down the aisle (as if I had forgotten an item) so I could possibly make something of the moment. Well on my way back down she turned and I caught a full glimpse of her face and I was blown away to see this was nothing more than a young girl! I was horrified! In this case regardless of that body, the girl's face was way too young looking thus putting out any feelings of attraction a mere minute earlier. What the fuck is in the food nowadays!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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[DC Reed]

Hillary Duff? Yah I'd Have my way with her.

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[mdr55]

What up Chester, the child molester!

The younger the Berry, the sweeter the juice.

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[Death Metal Moe]

This brings up a larger point. Should society be encouraging young women to look mature at younger and younger ages? It seems a young person's childhood is over earlier and earlier.

Leave them alone. And not just sexually. Let them just worry about stupid shit like the latest shoes and homework for as long as possible. They'll have penty of time sit up awake at night worrying about shit.

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[mdr55]

How could you leave them alone if stuff like that is on talk show tv all the time? Ex. of show topics: My teenage dauger is a stripper, hoocie momma makeover, my child is a son of a bitch/ terror, etc. etc.

I don't know who's scarier, the kids or the parents.

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[SatCam]

Should society be encouraging young women to look mature at younger and younger ages?

So you're saying that they shouldnt stuff their bras??? FUCK YOU!!

To do list:
1 Hillary Duff
2 Amanda Bines
3 Olsen Twin
4 Olsen Twin
5 TBA

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[mdr55]

Who Amanda Bines?

Has Britney loss some of the stuff that made her hot since she has becume of age? Or Anna Kournikouva?

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[Aggie]

What the fuck is in the food nowadays!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I don't know if anything has been proven in connection to what's in the food, but I know girls are maturing younger and younger.

BUT...it's all triggered by weight. Once you reach the magical 100-110 lbs, you get your period, hence, me getting it at age 11 and being a full C cup by 7th grade, and yes, it's amazing that no matter how old a guy is there are some that still creep junior high girls out just by the way the look at them.

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[StupidGirlllll]

Who Amanda Bines?

Has Britney loss some of the stuff that made her hot since she has becume of age? Or Anna Kournikouva?

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She is on Nickalodeon, 1 of the original cast members of All That-which now has Jamie Spears (Brittany's younger look a-like sister) Also stars in her own show....Was in Liar Liar...

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[Steels]

Has Britney loss some of the stuff that made her hot since she has becume of age? Or Anna Kournikouva?

I have never liked Britney Spears that much, she's a white chick with an O.K face and a great ass. Go away to college and they are a dime a dozen. As for your question I think she still has great sex appeal to most males but did lose a bit cause the taboo of the underage girl played a lot for the older men. I promise you any man that has been with enough attractive women will tell you she is nothing special. Also remember not to gauge a person's beauty on magazine covers, movies and other such media.

Now Anna Kournikouva is an entirely different issue. She is one of the most naturally beautiful women in the world today. With beauty such as hers I believe growing from a girl into a woman only helps and enhances her gorgeous body and features. Women that posses TRUE and NATURAL beauty will usually age pleasantly into their 20's, 30's and sometimes even 40's. Basically a female like Kournikouva will posses a more elegant, graceful beauty in her mid to late 20's opposed to the girlish qualities of her young adulthood.

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[Steels]

You see that REALLY creeps me out. When I see the Olsen twins I think of little girls not sexy women. It always kinda grossed me out how Anthony Cumia (who I'm a HUGE fan of) and even some of the members of this board seemed fascinated by these two girls that represent to most people as "little" girls. No offense to anyone but I find men that like the Olsen twins as having a serious "very young girl" fetish. In my experience men that love the "Olsen" twins have always seemed to be fond of very young women. Mr. Cumia certainly helps my theory.

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[TheMojoPin]

Steel's opinions on both the Olsen twins and Britney Spears are spot-on, at least in my opinion.

There's a clear difference, as I stated earlier, between being attracted to a girl who HAPPENS to be underage (As Steels initially indicated about his views towards Ms. Duff) and then being attracted to someone BECAUSE they're underage (Britney for most of her career, the Olsen twins).

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[monsterone]

it's a fine mix of a girl's "potential" hotness and the peddlers of this perversion knowledge of our weakness for it. ie. christina ricci, natalie portman, etc...


remember staples and his briney spears calender. kind of creapy when he talked about it on air, but her handlers knew showing off the mid-riff, the catholic school girl angle, making out with modonna, etc... males want to see it- and they provide it.

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[TheMojoPin]

Merchants recognize suckers.

FILM AT ELEVEN!!!

And I don't get bringing up Ricci or Portman. I think they're two examples of girls who became far, FAR more attractive as they grew into actual women.

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[Steels]

a girl's "potential" hotness

About 8 years ago I seen a film titled "Four rooms". I had just finished watching "Pulp Fiction" for the first time and I was dying for ANYTHING that was Tarrantino. Well "Four Rooms" was a movie with 4 short stories, Tarrantino directed the last hence I rented it. In the third story with Antonio Banderas he and his wife (Japanese honey from Karate Kid II and Joy Luck Club) were staying at a Hotel for the evening. The little girl that played his daughter in that segment was a great looking child and all my friends along with myself always said that in 5 or 6 years she would be boom bangin'! A few years ago I checked the "IMDB" and she was no where to be found. I'm very surprised because the only other girl I could ever see this in was Natalie Portman (The Professional) and we all know where she went from there. Where is the girl from "Four Rooms" now?

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[TheMojoPin]

Huh. I always thought the "Four Rooms" kids ended up being the "Spy Kids". Guess not.

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[Aggie]

I know what you're saying about girls becoming hot in a few years, but that girl from 'Four Rooms was pretty young. That would creep me out to hear guys saying that. I can understand the Portman thing a lot more. They made her character somewhat sexual regardless of her age.

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This message was edited by Aggie on 9-18-03 @ 11:43 AM

[blancostupido]

What the fuck is in the food nowadays!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


They inject chickens with estrogen

[Hottub]

If there's grass on the infield...





PLAY BALL!!

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[mikeyboy]

If there's grass on the infield...
PLAY BALL!!



That old gag.


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[Death Metal Moe]

And I don't get bringing up Ricci or Portman. I think they're two examples of girls who became far, FAR more attractive as they grew into actual women.


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Gee, I don't know. That's a tough one. Can I have some time to think it over?

On the one hand, the bottom one is very shaply and is actually interested in sex. But the one on top is still an undeveloped child and would no doubt be emotionally scarred for life.

Wow, that is tough.

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