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furie
09-09-2003, 04:12 PM
This is just odd. click here (http://www.johntitor.com/)
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mdr55
09-09-2003, 04:36 PM
So this guy says that:
1. The U.S. wil have 5 presidents.
2. There is no Olympics due to warring factions.
3. The Capital is relocated to OMAHA, Nebraska
4. WWIII is coming
5. The year 2008 will end the way we see the world as we know it
6. Civil War is the U.S. in 2004
I don't know wether to laugh or cry. So do you believe any of this stuff?
Fight the Establishment. Down with censorship!!
So the Civil War starts in three months? Where the fuck am I gonna get a musket by then!
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furie
09-09-2003, 04:39 PM
no
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TheMojoPin
09-09-2003, 05:47 PM
So the future is "The Turner Diaries"? No thanks.
Fuck the "heartland".
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monsterone
09-09-2003, 06:23 PM
yes i would like stock tips you dick. and the winners of the super bowl and world series. if i'm going to start a stock pile of weapons for the civil war, i'm gonna need funds.
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fluffernutter
09-09-2003, 06:32 PM
And we gotta deal with this guy running things out of the White House?
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pennington
09-09-2003, 07:55 PM
So his time machine is a Chevy pick-up. Or did he mean to say a Delorean?
Other than that I would say he sounds like a fan of "12 Monkeys" and "K-Pax".
I do like his name though, TIT-or. Or what? Whats better than tit?
monsterone
09-09-2003, 08:03 PM
what i can't figure out is how is it the all programming code in the future is hinge on ibm code of the '70s? if they require a machine to read it, how is it used and maintained without it?
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TheGameHHH
09-09-2003, 08:15 PM
Imagine we had another Civil War and WWIII within the next 30 years, that's fuckin insane.
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blakjeezis
09-12-2003, 03:56 PM
So do you believe any of this stuff?
No. I don't, but I didn't just reject it out of hand. I've probably been thinking waaaay too hard about this, but it's the kind of thing that piques my interest.
I read all that there was on the website, and have spent the last few days pondering it, looking for a flaw. I found it. I couldn't tell you if there's one in the physics of the machine. There very well could be, I'm no Steven Hawking, not even an amateur physicist. I don't think I can even tell you any of Newton's Laws of Thermodynamics. (I'm not sure but I think one of them has something to do with turning apples to gold or something.) Besides that, it seems people much smarter than I am asked him all the physics questions and he was basically able to field them. And since all that shit is still largely theoretical, it wasn't difficult for him to agree or disagree as needed to suit his case.
The flaw that I found is in his logic. It hit me when I remembered the phrase, "With infinite monkeys using infinite typewriters, you will get Shakespeare."
Bear with me, this might get rough.
This "time traveler" often spoke about his time machine not being able to travel more than 60 years into the past, because the "time divergence" would be too great. That is, the further away from his own time he traveled, the more disparity there would be between the "worldline" he arrived in and the one he left. Or the greater the chance of him landing in a "worldline" different from his own. For the sake of this discussion, I'm going to use "dimension" instead of worldline because it's more familiar to me and makes the argument easier to understand, at least I think it does.
This basically is what he said on the subject. Every time you make a decision, (e.g. left or right at a stop sign) time branches, creating 2 separate dimensions. Since there are infinite decisions, and an infinite number of decisions that can sprout forth from the previous ones, there are infinite dimensions. Basically, his machine is only able to keep the percentage of divergence between his home dimension and the one in which he arrives low across short distances in time. Any further distances through time and the amount of possible different dimensions becomes so enormously infinite that he could arrive in a dimension where up is down and down is up. So far, so good . . . Now we get back to the monkeys.
If you have an infinite amount of monkeys randomly jamming keys on a typewriter, you would have one that produced, let's say "Hamlet". This is incorrect. You would not only have one monkey producing "Hamlet", you would have an infinite amount of monkeys producing "Hamlet". This is the "time traveler's" mistake. Because of the nature of infinity, not only is there infinite difference, there is also infinite sameness. His whole idea of dimension or worldline divergence just doesn't make sense, logically speaking.
Infinity is not a real number, it's imaginary. It is, therefore, impossible to assign any sort of real percentage to the probability of one single event happening. The only probablity that can be assigned is infinite( i.e. There is an infinite chance that a specific event will happen.) Because his time jumps are not infinite, however, we can sort of fudge the numbers a bit. Because there are infinite dimensions that are infinitely different and infinitely the same, for every one dimension that is different there is one that is the same. This means that, to put it coarsely, he has a 50/50 shot of landing in either his home dimension, or one exactly like it. Although that's not really true, he actually has infinite chances of getting home, it's a hell of a lot closer to the truth than his divergence bullshit.
I hope this makes sense. I swear it does to me.
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mdr55
09-12-2003, 04:03 PM
So it's like in the movie "Time Machine". Everytime, the guy went back to the past, and tried to change it (girlfriend getting killed), it still happened anyway although somehow different.
So there are really "Infinite" Earths like Earth-2 that Ron and Fez always talk about?
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PanterA
09-12-2003, 04:19 PM
I hope this makes sense. I swear it does to me.It's missing hand jesters and doodles.
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monsterone
09-12-2003, 08:12 PM
you lost me until...
he actually has infinite chances of getting home, it's a hell of a lot closer to the truth than his divergence bullshit.
i read the whole site and sent it to others who soon became infected in the same way. we all read on for hours. at this point i chalk it up to nostradamus hippie babble, with a twist of the book of revelations.
my biggest problem is that human nature will turn it self around. plus, who the fuck can you make a time machine but not figure out computer code?
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PanterA
09-12-2003, 09:39 PM
I too read the entire site. It's great fiction, and a brilliant hoax. I actually see this making a great sci-fi novel.
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monsterone
09-12-2003, 09:44 PM
I actually see this making a great sci-fi novel.
right. i swear, it almost seems like a hoax created to promote an upcoming movie.
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Heavy
09-12-2003, 10:59 PM
I too read the entire site. It's great fiction, and a brilliant hoax. I actually see this making a great sci-fi novel.
ah thats what they said when they first found the bible.
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furie
09-13-2003, 08:48 AM
I too read the entire site. It's great fiction, and a brilliant hoax. I actually see this making a great sci-fi novel.
ah thats what they said when they first found the bible.
Look at us now.
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Brilliant!
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nickeye
09-13-2003, 11:20 AM
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Duh. The flux capacitor is upside-down.
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Heavy
09-13-2003, 01:01 PM
I was listening to Art Bell one night about 5 years ago and he had some guy on about how the world was changing. All the continents were moving around and whatnot, and it was only like 2 years away from happening. he had a webiste called earthchanges.com or something and I spent like 5 hours looking at it. I'll do the same to this guys site when I get a chance, looks interesting, but I need to ask: Where was this guy physically when he was here? Why didnt the board admin check his IP?
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CaptClown
09-13-2003, 01:53 PM
So there are really "Infinite" Earths like Earth-2 that Ron and Fez always talk about?
DC Comics tried to solve that with...
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Heavy
09-13-2003, 01:57 PM
thats just what we need. Another page thrown off. Great.
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CaptClown
09-13-2003, 02:03 PM
thats just what we need. Another page thrown off. Great.
You're welcome. Just let me know if I can do it again.
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FUNKMAN
09-13-2003, 02:11 PM
John Tithead can go fuck himself all the way to 4003... whoever wasted their time arguing with this guy deserves a frontal lobotomy...
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canofsoup15
09-13-2003, 02:49 PM
Bullshit, obviously. You cant time travel its impossible, how the fuck would you do it, shoot up into the sky like superman and fly around until the earth turned back around? Why on earth would we fight the West?
The war is a result of faulty politics and desperation from Western leadership during the US civil war. Yes, I suppose you could stop it.
Oh yea, that makes sense, thanks for being so vague.
What is the exact date that the war starts? If you can't remember, can you tell us the month?
I remember the exact date. When it comes, it will not be a surprise.
Thanks Vaguey McVaguealot
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.
Theres nobody in the running (yet) that can even be close to lincoln.
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Heavy
09-13-2003, 02:51 PM
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Anyone who talks to this fucking assholes a fucking asshole.
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CaptClown
09-13-2003, 03:03 PM
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What did Alan Arkin ever do to you? He was just a dupe anyway.
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furie
09-13-2003, 03:40 PM
shoot up into the sky like superman and fly around until the earth turned back around?
actually, superman didn't cause the earth to rotate the other way. That wouldn't cause time to reverse. he used the earth's gravity to propel himself faster than the speed of light. This gave the relative appearance the the earth was revolving retrograde because he was going back in time.
I now return you to the topic.
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Cybersoldier
09-13-2003, 03:50 PM
Submitted for you approve, a man from the future telling us of things to come, and some of those predications came true. Was he really from the future or a star trek fans who didn't get air from spending time in his parents basement, but in case you have now entered the twilight zone.
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mdr55
09-13-2003, 04:07 PM
Theres nobody in the running (yet) that can even be close to lincoln.
Yes there is! It's BUSH. Like Lincoln freed the slaves, BUSH freed the Iraqis.
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Heavy
09-13-2003, 06:17 PM
Ive been reading this site since I last posted int his thread and Im not close to being done. Something of interest here. And lets remember he said this in december of 2000:
Question:
Does the current relationship between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war?
Answer:
Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.
EDIT:
Does anything happen in the year 2012? I've heard stories about the world ending.
In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?
I have no idea what the Red Sea and the Egyptians is. Clue me in
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canofsoup15
09-13-2003, 06:24 PM
You do realize that the war bewteen arabs and jews has been going on for a good 20 years and all the israels have been doing is defending anyway. How come nothing about 9/11 was said? Do you really think our country would turn against ourselves? The government would never let that happen, too many interests are at stake.
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CaptClown
09-13-2003, 06:36 PM
This is the only person that I know that has traveled time
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... and this is the only vehicle that I know of that will travel both Time and Space
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TheMojoPin
09-13-2003, 06:46 PM
I have no idea what the Red Sea and the Egyptians is. Clue me in
Well, that's the sea Moses parted to free the Jews...and then when the Egyptians were passing through it he let it crash down on them.
December 21st, 2012, however, is when the current Mayan calendar "runs out". There have been, I believe 5 or 6 of these Mayan calendars, each one representing a cycle of life and the sun, etc.. After this one runs out, there's nothing left, so some people surmise THAT is when the world will "end".
Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.
Really obvious guesses do NOT equal "time travel". Way to say so much without saying anything at all.
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TheMojoPin
09-13-2003, 06:51 PM
This page is clearly the wet dream fantasy of every delusional gun-nut who somehow thinks his right to own a couple handguns is somehow going to actually stop the federal government when they come to "take them away" in their black helicopters.
Like I said, "Turner Diaries" all the way.
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McNabbShouldDie
09-14-2003, 07:18 PM
I read through most of the site, very enjoyable read.
Like someone else, I think, said in this thread, it would make a good novel.
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FUNKMAN
09-14-2003, 07:28 PM
this Time Traveler guy needs to get his 'clock' cleaned...
hahahahahahahahahaha,,,,,,,ha,,,,,,,oh well!
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zoom2457
09-16-2003, 09:10 AM
You almost had me Mr. Titor...
Below is the actual questions and Mr. Titor actual answers. The first question is from December 2000 and the second question is from February 2001.
What type of money do you use in 2036?
Its not very different than it is now. Yes, we have money and credit cards. However, like everything else, the monetary system is decentralized. Banking is based mostly around the community structure. There are no multinational banking or computerized economic systems. There are also no income taxes.
Is there an IRS?
Yes, we pay taxes. Sounds like you don't enjoy keeping track of your personal income taxes. I don't think anyone does.
Looks like John forgot the bullshit he was pedaling... What a douchebag!!!! (I'm not quite sure if I mean Titor or me for reading it all.)
btw, I guess the new peach dollar bills were lost in the great war of 2004... what a tool!!!
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pennington
09-16-2003, 07:26 PM
How come nothing about 9/11 was said?
Exactly. Since he was leaving before this happened, why not mention it? If, as he says, he doesn't want people to leave the area because of him, why not leave off the NY/DC/PA part?
I read the whole thing and he comes off as someone in his 20's but if he was already in his 20's or 30's when he came back to the mid 70's, he would have to be in his 50's when he wrote those web postings in 2000 & 2001 (since he would still physically age in our time line).
This guy is just some wannabe sci-fi writer.
shamus mcfitzy
09-16-2003, 08:32 PM
Theres nobody in the running (yet) that can even be close to lincoln.
well bush in that he suspended habeas corpus with the passing of the Patriot Act, which is technically unconstitutional, for the protection of the nation. I could definitely see parallels. But i still object because i believe that the Mayans/X-Files are right and that December 21st 2012 is our judgement day.
monsterone
09-16-2003, 09:04 PM
the best thing about this site is the great big loop hole if any of john's perdictionsdoesn't come true. if there isn't a civil war in 2004, it's bc it's happened in a different world line. if you killed hitler back in time, it won't effect the future bc it already happened.
there is an infinite possibility of world lines. therefore, it is almost impossible/ improbable he can return to his same world line.
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blakjeezis
09-18-2003, 01:09 PM
there is an infinite possibility of world lines. therefore, it is almost impossible/ improbable he can return to his same world line.
Wrong.
But your mistake was also his mistake. I said this already in the thread, but it was really long and kinda rambly, so I'm not surprised you didn't read it. I would probably skip it to if I hadn't written it. I'll try and shore it up a bit.
The nature of infinity dictates that not only are there infinite different worldlines, there is also an infinite amount of worldlines that are exactly the same. What that means is Mr. Titor ctually has an infinite chance of returning to his home worldline or one exactly like it. Another way of looking at it is to say he has a 50/50 chance, because for every worldline that's different, there is one that is the same. But that's only putting in terms that our brains can understand and not the true nature of infinity.
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Heavy
09-18-2003, 01:17 PM
So what is it youre trying to say?
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09-23-2003, 05:06 PM
This is the only person that I know that has traveled time
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correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the name of the street that the Doctor's TARDIS lands on in the first episode (An Unearthly Child) called Titor?
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CaptClown
09-23-2003, 06:06 PM
I'll have to look it up, but I think you might be right. I do remember the Doctor and his grand daughter living in a junkyard before they and their crew took off.
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