I'm interested in some stuff

[Heavy]

This Mars stuff has my panties in a bunch. I've always been into the planets and stuff. Time travel and U.F.Os interest me. Aparently someone came up with the idea that UFOs and these space dudes are nothing more then people from th future traveling back in time to check "themselves"out. Some college chick I know said she had some kinda course that touched on what humans would look like after about a million years from now, and its possible we wind up looking like what the reports claim the martians look like.

Who knows anything about this stuff? Like How long do people figure it will take before we can time travel and will we look like that by that time?

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[phixion]

Like How long do people figure it will take before we can time travel and will we look like that by that time?


well first we have to find a way around the light speed barrier. we cant break that law of physics, we have to find a way around it. then time travel, still seems impossible to me.

and i have a problem with the idea that we are travelling back to this time tos ee what our asses are doing. we are documenting tons of information, why would we go back to a time when we know what is happening? go back to before the written word, see how and when life actually began, witness when the moon broke away from earth. everything that is occuring now is documented. we have tons of info on video, and even more written down.

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[Melrapuo]

I don't think we'll ever time travel. We'll all probably become extinct before we reach that milestone.



Aparently someone came up with the idea that UFOs and these space dudes are nothing more then people from th future traveling back in time to check "themselves"out.


Why would they want to probe other human beings then? Pervs...


I'm interested in some stuff


Me too. And here I thought I was the only one...

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[Heavy]

Alright so the theory is that if we can travel faster then light then we would be time traveling huh. So at what rate do smart people figure we'd be moving at? How would we decide if we're going to the past or future? And another thing. If you get in a ship and go super fucking fast, wouldnt you be in the past/ future someplace really, really far away?



and i have a problem with the idea that we are travelling back to this time tos ee what our asses are doing. we are documenting tons of information, why would we go back to a time when we know what is happening? go back to before the written word, see how and when life actually began, witness when the moon broke away from earth. everything that is occuring now is documented. we have tons of info on video, and even more written down.


First of all its very easy to believe everything could be destroyed lets say, a million years from now. Second of all its not like we have thousands of UFO on a daily basis around here. Theres been a bunch of sightings but eventhough I know what happeneds in the 20,s, I'd still Dr0p by for a drink or something, ya know? Curiousity my friend.

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I grew up thinking that aliens were visiting us, now I think that it seems unlikely to waste that much energy for an advanced species to come here for mere observation. I also use to think that time travel was possible, now I just see that time is travelling, but the only manipulation we can do is to manipulate its forward progression and thats it. The idea of worm holes may hold a key, and also, when we look at stars, we are looking at things as they looked in the past, so we can see the past, but not go there. I think that the common idea of what aliens look like are recessed early images of what we began to see as babys, before we knew what we were looking at. I think the images are blurred human faces. Babys only seeing dominant shapes like dark and light. The alien dark orbitless eyes, minimal facial detail like nose and mouth, all seem like a blurred human face to me. I enjoyed thinking about this stuff growing up too. If aliens were really coming, youd think that they would have some way of monitoring us, so they would know by now that we are "aware" of them. Why not come down and just show us? I dont think if a civilization were to suddenly make itself known to us at this point, that we would be so shocked. Im not at all saying that we are alone in the universe. Not at all. Im sure the universe is teeming with life. The universe is at least 15 billion years old, and Earth is only 4.6 billion. Life elsewhere could have evolved to our point 4 times over by now!


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[phixion]

Alright so the theory is that if we can travel faster then light then we would be time traveling huh. So at what rate do smart people figure we'd be moving at? How would we decide if we're going to the past or future? And another thing. If you get in a ship and go super fucking fast, wouldnt you be in the past/ future someplace really, really far away?


well there is a way to time travel but not in the conventional sense your thinking of. if we were to get really close to the speed of light, yet not cross it, we could travel into the future. it goes back to the fact that time is relative. as u speed up time slows down. so if i were to get in a space ship and just travel at relativistic speeds, for a designated time. then when i come back to earth i would be lets say 1 year older, yet everyone on earth would b 5 years older. im not sure if those numbers are correct but u understand what im saying.

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[Heavy]

it goes back to the fact that time is relative. as u speed up time slows down. so if i were to get in a space ship and just travel at relativistic speeds, for a designated time. then when i come back to earth i would be lets say 1 year older, yet everyone on earth would b 5 years older

If you travel just below the speed of light you will move.....um at a higher rate of...time or something?
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[phixion]

Why not come down and just show us?


2 reasons:
1: communication is a bitch. for argument sake any eyes they have are vestigial organs, and their primary sense is smell, and us humans have a pretty sense of smell. they maybe communicate by sending out pheremones while we use written and spoken words.

2: if they are travelling across space to visit us, it is safe to say they are far advaced compared to us. lets say their civilization is 1000 years more advanced than ours. now take that knowledge and apply it our our civilization. i give u tv, and send u back in time to 1003 AD. where are you going to plug it in? or i give u an astronomy text book and send you back i time. no one would believe since the book will deal with heliocentric astrology, while back in thsoe days they simply believed that everything revolved around the earth.

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[sr71blackbird]

i would be lets say 1 year older, yet everyone on earth would b 5 years older.


But then, how is that travelling in the future? The people on the Earth would have been travelling further in the future than you. Your time would have slowed down, while theirs moved ahead at normal speed. Youd be younger than your twin who remained on Earth. Right?


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[phixion]

If you travel just below the speed of light you will move.....um at a higher rate of...time or something?


its simple. understand first and foremoest that time is variable. as u speed up time slows down. so as u speed up on ur ship, time slows down for you. yet while veryone else is stationary on earth time moves at the regular speed for them.

and blame einsteins theory of relativity, and okums razor. (not sure if okum is the correct spelling i just spelled it phonetically.)

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[Death Metal Moe]

I'm afraid that trying to break the laws of physics will just end up like this:

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[Heavy]

man for someone who knows a lot, you dont know shit

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[phixion]

But then, how is that travelling in the future? The people on the Earth would have been travelling further in the future than you. Your time would have slowed down, while theirs moved ahead at normal speed. Youd be younger than your twin who remained on Earth. Right?


its not time travelling in the conventional sense as i stated earlier. its just time manipulation, its allowing time to pass slower on you than it does on the rest of humanity. so if i want to see what advancements we make in a couple thousand years, i would just hopin my ship, travel at relativistic speeds, i would be like 30 years older and thousands of years have passed for everyone else.

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[phixion]

man for someone who knows a lot, you dont know shit


then talk to Mike the Teacher, he sure knows more about this than me.

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[Heavy]

oh ok so youre just kinda moving slower then everyhting else. I got it. just one thing:



as u speed up time slows down.

If you can get me to believe that. I'm in. And if you travel in your ship for 30 years, like i said earlier, wouldnt you be really far away?

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[Mike Teacher]

We are traveling through time right now.

We are traveling into the future at the precise rate of one second per second.

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[Heavy]

That doesnt help us

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[phixion]

If you can get me to believe that. I'm in. And if you travel in your ship for 30 years, like i said earlier, wouldnt you be really far away?


well i was discussing if we went 30 years for the round trip, like i travelled for 15 yrs then turned rite around and came back to earth.

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[Heavy]

Well how could you even have fuel for 30 years.?

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[phixion]

Well how could you even have fuel for 30 years.?


ask amoco. i know about the physics of it, and even then just tiny percentage of the physics, the mechanics is not my field. though if we found a different fuel source it would make life easier. nuclear energy has always intrigued me yet, ive always been to lazy to research it. and also keep in mind that you wont necessarily need to burn the fuel on a constant basis. u would need to burn enough to get to the speed u want to get to, then you could just coast. theres no such thing as air resistance in space (unless u count that single hydrogen atom per cubic meter.) so once u reach the speed u want, inertia will take care of the rest.

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[phixion]

and please someone explain to me why being high and thinking about theoretical physics feels so good?

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[Heavy]

All I know is the Teach better be preparing a mega post full of knowledge

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All I know is the Teach better be preparing a mega post full of knowledge





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[Melrapuo]

The whole fact of travelling at the speed of light would be crap, cuz in order to go anywhere really far we would have to travel thousands or millions of times the speed of light, right?

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[Melrapuo]

o wait. no...no it wouldn't. cuz it would all be relative to time. Interesting...but we'd still have to go mega-fast to get somewhere far. Like by going the distance light takes in a year in a matter of seconds. Wow...we have people that can't even DRIVE above 35 miles an hour and we wanna go this fast? Hopeless.

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[Heavy]

yea I dunno, I'm all confused about this mess. How much fast would we have to go to travel this speed? Like 10 times faster then we can now?

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Would everyone who does not have a degree in physics or some sort of higher mathematics please sit down.

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Screw all this talk about time travel and aliens...where ya going, Johnee???? Why the "Man of Mystery" routine? Did you bust parole and are headed back to the "Big House"? Did you win the Lottery? Huh? Huh?

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[Mike Teacher]

Time Travel: This we know so far.

We seem to be traveling through time. We feel this.

Time seems to be like an arrow, moving in one direction; from past, through present, into the future.

That arrow so far, the direction of time, seems to be one way.

Time in Relativistic Conditions
[`Relativistic' above simply means in conditions where we can imagine we can travel very fast, like 99.99999% the speed of light [SOL]. $5 words can suck.]

What we Know about Time in relativistic conditions:

For some reason that No One knows; if something is traveling around us, in our space, call it our Frame if Reference for fun, at speeds approaching the SOL, that Time for that object Slows Down vs Time for Us. Yes, that's confusing and contrary to reason. Welcome to the world envisaged by a man from Ulm, Germany.

[Forget about all that technico-bullshit for now!!! If you get it great. If not; just try to follow the following. Not easy; I didn't get this stuff at all for the longest time; still feel like I know next to nothing. But, relax and just read the story with an open, relaxed mind.]


OK imagine Ron has a spaceship and leaves Fez on Earth to zoom around the solar system at lets say, 90% the speed of light. After a while, Ron looks at his Clock in his ship it appears A-ok, ticking off one second every second, just like it has been since he got on board. But let's imagine Ron looks outside through a telescope; he sees that on Earth everything looks sped up; he can just make out Fez, but he's moving so fast Fez is a blur. Ron spots a clock and sees the hands are spinning around like a propeller.



CAN WE TRAVEL INTO THE FUTURE?

Yes. Kinda-Sorta, but Yes. Going back to Ron zooming around. Let's say before Ron departs; he agrees with Fez he will be gone exactly one day; 24 hours. No problem. So Ron goes zooming around; and he smokes a nice Cubano while watching his Clock tick off the 24 hours. Ron starts heading back to earth and lands precisely when his clock says One day has passed.

Ron gets out, and Fez is now 110 years old. A feeble, wrinkly incontinent mess. He squints up to see Ron, who looks exactly as he did when he left, except a day's worth of stubble. To Fez, Ron has aged 1 day. But Because time slowed down for Ron [forget about why! It just does! Sorry, resume.], and hence sped up for Fez, Ron has returned 70 years after he left. Earth has aged 70 years to Ron. Ron and Fez's parents are gone, sorry. Ron sees people that were children when he left, and they are older then him.

That's the Thought Experiment. Screw that Scientific method with the 6 or 8 steps; Here's the real scientific method we all use, and it's two things; We think shit up, and then we test it. Simple. Done. If what we think up [a hypothesis formed by observation and evidence] agrees with when we test it [experiments, and measurements, and data. Ack!] we venture a guess, and say X happens when Y occurs or whatever. [Theories, Laws. $5 words ugh]

That's really all it is. So now I can say this: At relativistic speeds, Time Dilates for an Object in Motion. That's what the story demonstrates. If that's confusing. Screw it, just remember the story and what happens, because it Does Happen!

PROOF: We have sent up twin atomic clocks; one on the ground, and flown one very fast, many times the speed of sound. And when the plane/rocket/whatever returns and we compare the clocks, the one that traveled is Slow compared to the one that stayed put. It's only a few billionths of a second, but we can measure those difference very well, and this has been repeated Many times, ruling out every possible alternate or errors, and we have demonstrated that this Does indeed occur in many other ways. The numbers above are all made up; they aren't exact in terms of how fast Ron Really has to go and for how long. But the conclusion is simple.

This is a Thought Experiment. It's popular name is the Twin Paradox, where twins are used. Ya know, one twin comes back to see her aged by decades.

CAN WE TRAVEL INTO THE PAST?

We have theorie

[AppleBoy]

How much fast would we have to go to travel this speed?

The speed of light is approximately 300,000,000 meters per second which is approximately 671,224,363 miles per hour. As far as I know, man hasn't been able to make anything travel at or greater than the speed of light but scientists have been able to get a sub atomic particle (maybe an electron) to travel at speeds very close to that of the speed of light. I haven't followed this stuff for about 10 years so if something's changed, I'm unaware of it.

Reading suggestions:

'The Relativity Explosion' by Martin Gardner - a fairly old book which was Upd@ted almost 30 years ago. Still, worth reading. It explains and discusses the Theory of Relativity, the Twin Paradox, the clock experiment and other associated phenomenon.

'In Search of Schrodinger's Cat' by John Gribbin - this book is almost 20 years old but, again, worth reading. It explains and discusses quantum physics which eventually leads to the material discussed in 'The Relativity Explosion'.

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Mike, how many times are you gonna post the same thing? Kidding, but really, just put out a book, and everytime someone asks about time travel, tell em to buy your book.


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[phixion]

see i told u mike would b able to explain it better than i could

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