More Unemployment, YAY!!

[JerryTaker]

I just heard on the news that Verizon, Readers Digest, Fruit of the Loom, and a few other big companies are cutting many jobs this week.

So much for those tax cuts, hmm?

Or is this all Clinton's fault? Or are we back to blaming Jimmy Carter?

I honestly hate when I'm right, but guess what?

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[DarkHippie]

but . . . but . . . we're not in a recession i thought . . . we're recovering . . . RECOVERING DAMMITT!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

Oh, come on.

Right or not, what does this serve to do except start some shit?

Hell, what does ANYTHING on this board serve to do except start some shit?

Why are we even here?

What does it all mean?!?!

Wh-*POP!!*

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[Bergalad]

I honestly hate when I'm right, but guess what?Shouldn't you be out looking for a job instead of posting?

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"No"
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[ChickenHawk]

FRUIT OF THE LOOM?! I could've sworn they went out of business in the late 90's...

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[reeshy]

If I remember a thread not to long ago, a poll was taken on whether or not people wore underwear or not. If I remember correctly, most of you macho types chose "Commando" style- so why the hell would you care if Fruit of the Loom goes out of business or not- You're too busy stuffing tube socks down your pants to fake us out with your phony packages-ahhhhh- forget it!!!!!

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[JerryTaker]

Shouldn't you be out looking for a job instead of posting?


You obviously have nothing useful to add

please subtract yourself

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This message was edited by JerryTaker on 7-30-03 @ 6:37 PM

[TheMojoPin]

You're too busy stuffing tube socks down your pants to fake us out with your phony packages

He's right...for SHAME...just remember to "pull a reeshy" and you'll be OH-KAY, groovy cat!

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[DeltaPin]

If I remember a thread not to long ago, a poll was taken on whether or not people wore underwear or not. If I remember correctly, most of you macho types chose "Commando" style- so why the hell would you care if Fruit of the Loom goes out of business or not.
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[El Mudo]

You obviously have nothing useful to add


Did this thread really add anything useful to anyone besides to get people into the same old arguments they always get into?

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[El Mudo]

So much for those tax cuts, hmm?


And besides, what were the alternatives? Would raising taxes have helped anything?

This will work...give it time...

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[phixion]

And besides, what were the alternatives?


alternative #1: use the money to CREATE jobs
alternative #2: improve education
alternative #3: better medical coverage
alternative #4: pay our soldiers a decent wage so most of them arent feeding their families with foodstamps
alternative #5: pay our police and fire departments better


should i continue?

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WOAH! As I was reading this thread I had like a 20 second Deja Vu memeory flood my head about how I was going to sign on to the site and talk about a post I was thinking about. I was going to say that I thought phixion is really some Chinese woman in a trench coat. What does this mean?

I think I just went insane.

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[Bergalad]

Alright, I will add something useful: reason.
alternative #1: use the money to CREATE jobsSpending the extra money from the tax cut and child tax credit does just that. The economy rose over 2% this last month and unemployment is down. Only one month, but a nice start, and the tax cuts help.alternative #2: improve educationOne great way to jump-start improving education is to eliminate Tenure for teachers. What a dumb idea that was. Oh, and how about holding kids accountable for learning? All these schools postponing or cancelling proficiency tests has destroyed any value a High School Diploma ever had.alternative #3: better medical coverage
We have the best medical professionals and facilities in the world. Universal health care/socialism would kill that. I'm not going to go on about this one because the usuals will be up in arms again.alternative #4: pay our soldiers a decent wage so most of them arent feeding their families with foodstampsThis is a huge lie that has been spread around by both detractors and proponents of the military. Are there soldiers who use foodstamps? Yes. Is it a large number? No. In fact, I have never met one that does use them. And those that do (and I took an unscientific poll around the office) are those who want to live way above their means or pump out a bunch of kids. Soldiers get paid pretty well, not enough to make them rich or even close, but pretty well. Just like any other job, you have to be fiscally responsible for yourself.alternative #5: pay our police and fire departments betterHow about eliminate some of the police jobs? There's an idea for you. Do you realize that the police are basically leeches on the population? Having some police is a necessity, and I have no problem with them persuing domestic issues and civil crimes like robbery. It's traffic cops that have to go. All of them. They might as well be called Revenue Officers instead, becuase that's their real purpose. Pay them more? Get rid of them and see how much your taxes Dr0p.

[furie]

why does it have to be any politician's fault? It's greedy corporations. simple. why are you looking for an argument?

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[HBox]

The economy rose over 2% this last month and unemployment is down.

Part 1 is right. Part 2 is WRONG.

Even if that turns out to be the case, the job market is likely to remain sluggish economists say. The unemployment rate hit a nine-year high of 6.4 percent in June. It could hover in that range and possibly move higher in the months ahead because job growth probably will not be strong enough to handle an influx of people looking for work amid an improved climate, economists say.

Economic Growth Picks up Speed (http://www.msnbc.com/news/946435.asp?0cv=CA01)

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[Bergalad]

Let me be specific: unemployment claims are down this last month. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=&e=8&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy)

And from the same articlePresident Bush's tax cuts along with near rock-bottom short-term interest rates should help out on that front, economists say. Some are predicting growth in the second half in the range of a 3.5 percent to 4 percent rate.

Analysts believe the combination of lower borrowing costs and fatter paychecks and other tax incentives might spur consumers and businesses to spend and invest more.
Sounds like Bush was, at least in this early stage, absoulely right. Where's the congrats from the nay-sayers? Anything?

[GrimSanity]

unemployment claims are down because people can claim anymore after the inital one. i've been unemployed for almost a year now i can sign up for unemployment again it ran out 6 months ago. so if they would let me claim again i would as many people would

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[Bergalad]

i've been unemployed for almost a year now i can sign up for unemployment again it ran out 6 months ago.
May I get a little personal with you? Thanks. Why would someone be unemployed for a year? Is there some physical reason you need a specific type of job? This sort of thing is a continual topic of discussion on here, so your case could be helpful. Thanks.

[HBox]

Sounds like Bush was, at least in this early stage, absoulely right. Where's the congrats from the nay-sayers? Anything?

Nothing yet. Nobody is suffering because the GNP is down. People are suffering because there are no jobs. And that is, at the moment, still getting worse. So if that turns the corner, then I'll eat crow and say the tax cuts probably have something to do with it. That hasn't happened yet, and although this is a good sign, we've had false starts before.

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[phixion]

Why would someone be unemployed for a year?


my mother has been umelployed for a year simply because there are no jobs. at least none that pay well enough so that she can pay her bills. she worked for MCI and with there amazing business practices she became unemployed last august. but she had been going back to school. so even now with a Bachelor's from NYU she cannot find a job. its not that amazing of an idea. but then again u seem to find it frightfully amazing so much so that these ppl should b put on display, and ppl should b charged a fee to see them. so i dont know what to say......

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[Death Metal Moe]

It's real easy to be unemployed for a year.

You let your unemployment run out, then you look for a similar job to yours only to find there are none.

Then you maybe get some new training. That takes time. Or you start to branch out and hunt around, but nothing.

Then you get duscouraged or family obligations pop up. It's amazing what your family can invent for you to do when they start to take for granted that you'l be around all day.

Plus, there are jobs out there but they're go nowhere jobs. It does get to the point where you just need money, but maybe some people are holding out for a job that's worth staying in for awhile. I could waste 3 years of my life pumping gas, but the only advancment would be to work up to the guy who stocks the antifreeze.

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[Bergalad]

but then again u seem to find it frightfully amazing so much so that these ppl should b put on display, and ppl should b charged a fee to see them. so i dont know what to say......
Not even close to what I said. It's nice that taxpayers are footing the bill for this time off for your mom. I hope she is somehow trying to repay them by doing volunteer work of some sort. Not an attack, but an observation. Apparently it's preferable to suck from the Teat of State than to take what would seem a "lesser" job, and that seems to be true for millions in this country. A year? 3-6 months should be sufficient for anyone willing to take responsibility for themselves. Go ahead, begin your attacks against me now...

[Doomstone]

If all the unemployed people would just pump gas....


Irony?

What's that?

[JerryTaker]

Not even close to what I said. It's nice that taxpayers are footing the bill for this time off for your mom. I hope she is somehow trying to repay them by doing volunteer work of some sort.


You're friggin' rediculous... why don't we just line up everyone who can't find a job and you can shoot them through the head...

...or better yet, make them join the army and have some Iraqi do it for you. I guess Suicide bombers rank higher in your mind than mr Phixion's mom, since they are doing "volunteer work" for thier country

Se7en accused me of being overly righteous, what the fuck are you doing? Telling people what kind of jobs to get.. weren't you arguing that
anyone should be able to be rich and make money where they aren't taxed by the government? I guess that only applies to you and your like-minded buddies. Fuck your "The poor should suffer while the rich prosper" attitude, because that's exactly what you're saying.

And fuck anyone who agrees with this asshole, because that's the same attitude that put this country in the economic shitter.

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in this day and age we should all be lucky to have any kind of job

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[Bergalad]

And that is, at the moment, still getting worse. So if that turns the corner, then I'll eat crow and say the tax cuts probably have something to do with it.
The jobless rate dipped to a two-month low of 6.2 percent from a nine-year high of 6.4 percent in June.Jobless rate goes down in July (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=668&ncid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20030801/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy). True, there was a decrease in jobs as well during that period, so that helped with the rate. However, jobs are not created instantly and businesses need some time to begin hiring, so this is still a positive indicator of both the economy and the future job market.

I don't want to insult Phixion's mother or disrespect her, so please don't construe it that way. I apologize. I think that a year is too long to be looking for a job, and that's for anyone. I know this isn't a popular position with many here because it requires someone to have personal responsibility, which is anathema to the Left. Jerry proves my point. Instead of getting a job and ending his dependence on free-for-him taxpayer money, he would rather sit on the internet at 5 AM and spew rambling hatred and complain. Instead of saying "yeah, you're right, I need to go get a job" it's flimsy excuses and accusations. Sad.

[A.J.]

in this day and age we should all be lucky to have any kind of job

Amen. There's no shame in earning an honest day's pay be it from Microsoft or McDonald's.

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please subtract yourself
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[JerryTaker]

You know what? I don't know what world you live in, but in mine, working at McDonald's doesn't pay the rent, or the student loan bills. (no,mommy and daddy didn't pay for My education, dick. I'm paying for it)

I Suffered through school. You friggin people thinking that college students do nothing but smoke pot and protest are only reinforcing your vast ignorance. But I'm looking for a job that is related to my Bachelor's degree, not bagging groceries, though that might be more suited toward your level of education, Berg...

Join us in reality, Berg. I's not as shiny, sugery or happy as the world you live in, but you'll look much less foolish...

Oh, and by the way... you can send your resumes to companies on the Internet now... it's not quite the "pound the pavement" standard you hold yourself to, but hey, we're not all Jarheads, now, are we?


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[Bergalad]

But I'm looking for a job that is related to my Bachelor's degree, not bagging groceries, though that might be more suited toward your level of education, Berg...
sugeryDon't brag about a supposed degree and then screw up "sugary".
working at McDonald's doesn't pay the rent
That's quite untrue. You just don't want to work there because you think it's beneath you. Well, keep sucking the State's Teat Mr. Dignity.
but hey, we're not all Jarheads, now, are we?You have a rather insulting attitude towards the military. Very big of you to insult those who are not only sacrificing their time and lives for you, but also the taxes they pay so you can sit in your place unemployed and ridicule them.

Oh, and we're not all Jarheads; I am in the Army.

This message was edited by Bergalad on 8-1-03 @ 4:36 PM

[furie]

Hey, come work for Uncle Sam. The government's always hiring, and they never lay off.

http://www.usajobs.opm.gov

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[HBox]

That's quite untrue. You just don't want to work there because you think it's beneath you.

If you really think somebody can support themselves working at McDonalds, you really are out of touch. Why do you think mainly teenagers and seniors work there?

Berg, you are extremely quick to rush to judgement. I will give you one example why a person might not want to resort to the jobs you speak of. First of all, these jobs are NEVER a long term solution, and they pay crap. So, if one were to take one of these jobs you would likely need to work a shitload of hours, probably over 40, to pay rent. All the while you are supposed to be looking for a real job. So, assuming you have the time to look for these career jobs and send out resumes, what happens when you get an interview on a day you are supposed to work? Retail jobs are not forgiving about absences. I've seen more than one person get fired for missing work for an interview. So, you could be forced choose between the chance of a new job and your current job.

And you are missing something about unemployment payments. Everybody pays into the unemployment insurance system. If you don't work, you can't get it. And you only get it for six months. And what you get is relative to what you have earned. So it isn't exactly "sucking on the teat of government."

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[Tazz]

People are suffering because there are no jobs



I will give you one example why a person might not want to resort to the jobs you speak of. First of all, these jobs are NEVER a long term solution, and they pay crap.


But. they are jobs, and they do pay money. Stop contradicting yourself.

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[HBox]

But. they are jobs, and they do pay money. Stop contradicting yourself.

I fail to see the contradiction. I was speaking in hypotheticals. Did I ever say that these kinds of jobs are even available right now? I've been looking and I can't even get a part-time job at my local grocery stores. They aren't hiring.

But that was cute how you tried to be a smartass. TRIED.

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[Tazz]

You never said they were hypotheticals. You made direct statements.

And I am always a wiseass; I never have to try to be.


Final point: No need to worry about unemployment, it always works itself out. Give it time.

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[Bergalad]

If you really think somebody can support themselves working at McDonalds, you really are out of touch.
Do you know how much management at a McD's makes? They seem to get along just fine and pay rent. They are always looking for managers too. I don't think I brought up McDonalds in the first place. This discussion is going nowhere as usual.

[high fly]

Can we work this rascal around to AIDS in Africa?
Hows about grammar?
Mebbe not.
Since the subject is unemployment, perhaps this would be a good time to point out that with over 3.6 or 3.7 million jobs lost since he became president, it's looking more and more like Bush will finish his term as the first president since Herbert Hoover to finish the term with less jobs than when he started.

In terms of percentage, when he took over, the unemployment rate was about 4, 4.2%. It's now, what, 6.5%? A 50% jump in unemployment doesn't look so good on one's resume.


When it comes to economics, Bush just doesn't know what he's doing.

This is the man that said: "I understand small business growth. I was one."

" and they ask me why I drink"

This message was edited by high fly on 8-2-03 @ 1:29 PM

[phixion]

Do you know how much management at a McD's makes?


do you know how much bills add up to? and im sorry that people own a house and have to pay mortage, and u know how cheap the price of living is in New York. and college graduates have to pay back student loans, do u know how much interest is? i seriously think u live in a different world than the rest of us. in your world people who work hard and do the right thing always come out on top. thats not the world i live in. the world i live shits on people with common courtesy. in the world i live in good intentions dont make everything work out for u, shit happen.
and for the record my mother has the right to suck off the 'government teat's' as u so put it, since MCI's honorable business practices have earned them new government contracts after laying off thousands of workers.

ps- attacking spelling is attacking Sheepy. and no one, no one attacks Sheepy.

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Why not get a second job? Bartending gets you plenty of money and poon. I put myself through school bartending and met plenty of attractive, willing, loose drunken women that way.

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[FUNKMAN]

first thought that comes to mind is "they should find something for these 6.5 or so million people to do"

it's an impossible dream but it would be nice if these people could clean up fields, parks, lots and put in nice gardens... maybe a cornfield or two...

they could go into the poor neighborhoods and help paint their homes(inside and out) and make the lawns look nice by putting the proper chemicals down, aerating, and seeding.

hopefully this high unemployment is just a cycle, but it seems to me that Corporations and Business owners are learning to live with a leaner workforce. Alot of it has to do with profit margins and trying to get their stock price to go up. There's alot of talk now about white-collar jobs going overseas. It makes me think that the "good times" are over for alot of people and the reality is most if not all of them people are in the middle and lower financial end...

IT spending looks to be a 'low priority", companies are just keeping what they got "going" and Advertisement, which was probably a "hundreds of billions of dollar" business is taking one of the biggest hits. Our company relies on ads(wall street journal) and we've been doing nearly a billion dollars less in business because of it...


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[furie]

If you really think somebody can support themselves working at McDonalds, you really are out of touch.
Do you know how much management at a McD's makes? They seem to get along just fine and pay rent. They are always looking for managers too. I don't think I brought up McDonalds in the first place. This discussion is going nowhere as usual.

I was a manager at McDonald's when I was in college. I was bringing in $12 an hour. this was ten years ago.

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[TheMojoPin]

I manage a bookstore and pull in just under 30K a year after taxes. I'd imagine a McD's manager's salary to be near that. And damned if I don't need to live with three roommates to make ends meet.

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[Bergalad]

I can't believe we're arguing about working at McDonalds. Look, here's some simple facts from their website McDonalds benefits. (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers/benefits/health/) Notice that they some pretty decent coverage. Unfortunately I could not find any current information on salaries (I did see that starting wages was from $6-$9 per hour), but found this old (1976) article where a manager is said to make $14,000 per year plus benefits. Here's the article (http://www.fccps.k12.va.us/gm/lasso/lasso-50yrs/golden-arches.htm)
Now, if in 1976 a manager made $14K, I would say that they make considerably more now. This is a silly discussion anyway, since having any job is preferable to doing nothing. Again, I understand limited unemployment for 3 or so months, but a year seems overly picky and/or lazy.

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[TheMojoPin]

I can't believe we're arguing about working at McDonalds.

Not to bust your chops, but I can't believe you just basically said that anyone who hasn't worked or had a fulltime job for more than three months is being overly picky/lazy. You and I both have NO clue why some people may be without work for certain amounts of time. And hiring times ARE tough, like it or not. There's too many people looking for work and not enough longterm jobs to go around. If you're looking to seriously support yourself and/or anyone else, you canNOT just jump into a job that is probably very temporary, and that's usually what's the most available in these kinds of situations. Jumping from job to job every six months with uncertain and fluctuating pay and benefits (Or lack thereof) isn't going to honestly help anything. I have been literally getting at least half a dozen applications EVERY DAY at my store for over two months now. Out of all those hundreds, I've been able to hire about a dozen. That's just how it's going these days. And that's why our government thankfully has a system devised to HELP people through these kind of temporary situations, not CARRY them. We don't have a static economy, and people are going to get caught in a bad way every time it shifts. It just happens. Why does everything specifically have to be someone's fault? Blame Bush, blame the people out of work...either way, you'd be so wrong it's not even funny.

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[LiquidCourage]

Hey moron, the overall unemployment numbers recently Dr0pped by 500,000 or so.

[HBox]

We just lost 44,000 jobs, actually. The unemployment claims are down, which is what I think is you are talking about. You would know this if you read the thread. You should know this before calling people morons.

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[Recyclerz]

Joyless, Jobless Recovery (http://www.msnbc.com/news/946945.asp?0dm=C17MB)

LC

I think you might have a touch of that there "fuzzy math" in your calculations.

Bloomberg (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&sid=aWhfIviFfGyU&refer=columnist_baum)

Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93509,00.html)



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[LiquidCourage]

Nope, I've heard otherwise.

[HBox]

Nope, I've heard otherwise.

Forgive me if I don't take your word for it, but where did you hear this from?

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[LiquidCourage]

I first heard it from that old bastard Paul Harvey on WABC, then I read an article on it linked to the Drudgereport, but now that I mentioned Drudge people will completely dismiss it as crap.


Also, economic growth for the past month was almost twice what it was expected to be.

[TheMojoPin]

Hey moron, the overall unemployment numbers recently Dr0pped by 500,000 or so.

Who the fuck are you talking to?

If that's some kind of halfassed "answer" to my post (Which didn't even ask anything), what does that even prove in contrast to what I said? It's a shitty job market. 500,000 more jobs doesn't "fix" that. It helps, but it's a step. But it IS still a horrendous job market. Natural economic downturn after the 'net "bubble" burst all over your mom's face. Them's the breaks.

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[LiquidCourage]

The original poster.

[HBox]

Yes, that's the same report we had in this thread. It was unemployment claims which were down. The economy lost 44,000 jobs. It's all here: Jobless rate dips (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=668&ncid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20030801/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy) Here's a relevant quote:
The jobless rate declined to a two-month low of 6.2 percent from a nine-year high of 6.4 percent in June. The Dr0p, however, reflected people leaving the work force, not a burst in hiring.
Those close to 500,000 people didn't get jobs. They gave up looking for them.

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[TheMojoPin]

The worst part about this thread?

It's almost like some of us are rooting for there to be more unemployed people.

Gack.

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[JerryTaker]

Hey moron, the overall unemployment numbers recently Dr0pped by 500,000 or so.


oh, good. LC's back...

I had so missed reading one line, ambiguous and insulting posts using "fuzzy logic" numbers all homogenized personally by Rush Limbaugh.

Isn't there a guy with a crooked cane in a field looking for you? or is it "ewe"?


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[Bergalad]

I can't believe you just basically said that anyone who hasn't worked or had a fulltime job for more than three months is being overly picky/lazy.
Mojo, what I actually said wasI understand limited unemployment for 3 or so months, but a year seems overly picky and/or lazy.I can even understand 6 months. After a year, someone with a modicum of self-respect should grow tired of taking taxpayer money. I know the market is terrible right now. There are a few college degree holders currently enlisting because they can't "find" employment. But they have only been looking for a couple of months. Curious, but what do you define by thisour government thankfully has a system devised to HELP people through these kind of temporary situations, not CARRY them.What length of time do you consider temporary?

[JerryTaker]

someone with a modicum of self-respect should grow tired of taking taxpayer money.


I thought we weren't supposed to be talking about the Bush administration...

Seriously though, let me go through my paystubs... hmmm, unemployment ins, unemployment ins, unemployment ins.... seems to me it's MY money to begin with.

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Seriously though, let me go through my paystubs... hmmm, unemployment ins, unemployment ins, unemployment ins.... seems to me it's MY money to begin with.

My money is in there too. I'm glad the government is saving it for me in the event I lose my job. I wouldn't know how to do that for myself.

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[furie]

LC, what you have to understand is that statistics can be easily manipulated to reflect what you want them to reflect. Less people filing for unemployment does not necessarily mean more people are employed.

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[TheMojoPin]

What length of time do you consider temporary?


I'd say six months, but then I always come back to what I had mentioned before...is it better to wait it out and keep looking for a job that can at least somewhat support you and last at least a decent amount of time or to just take a knowingly finite job with pay and benefits (Or a lack thereof) that can't support you or your dependents? That honestly seems to be the most common problem in these kind of situations. In a case like that, bouncing from poor-paying to poor-paying job, which alternative is truly "better"? The whole thing is just too subjective for there to be a clearcut answer.

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[high fly]

Hey moron the overall unemployment numbers recently Dr0pped by 500,000 or so


This Dr0p did not reflect 500,000 new jobs being created or anything like it.
What this statistic really is , is the number of people who've stopped looking for work, presumably out of frustration.
The unemployment figures reflect those who are out of work who are actively looking for a job.

That this president will finish his term with less employment than when he started is stunning.

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[Bergalad]

I've come to the conclusion that Earth 2 does exist, and Bergelad is its president.Man I would hate to be that guy, right Saliva?

I'd say six months, but then I always come back to what I had mentioned before...is it better to wait it out and keep looking for a job that can at least somewhat support you and last at least a decent amount of time or to just take a knowingly finite job with pay and benefits
So 6 months, got it. Why not leave it at that? How long is too long? Is "wait it out and keep looking for a job" the unemployed guy's decision to make? What if that took him 5 years until he met this nebulous criteria? That is the problem here. I have said I support limited unemployment benefits, but there has to come a time when enough is enough and the perpetually work-impaired has to be cut off. If you end their benefits, I am quite sure most will amazingly find a job almost immediately. Instead of more socialism, how about we try a little less for a change.

[HBox]

I have said I support limited unemployment benefits, but there has to come a time when enough is enough and the perpetually work-impaired has to be cut off. If you end their benefits, I am quite sure most will amazingly find a job almost immediately.

Benefits can be paid for a maximum of 26 weeks in most States.
Unemployment Insurance (http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/uifactsheet.asp)

So exactly what are you complaining about?

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[phixion]

If you end their benefits, I am quite sure most will amazingly find a job almost immediately.


going back to people i know as examples, they have lost their unemployment benefits for 4 months now and can still not find a job. through no lack of looking, but through a lack of hiring. ppl cant get jobs at temp agencies. goddamn temp agencies!!!!! yet u wont even lissen...ull sit there and think ur rite and the rest of the world is wrong. that republicans can solve every problem the world can ever produce. im not saying democrats can solve every problem. im saying that u have no idea how to listen to someones elses valid arguments, simply because u are too cantankerous and very narrow minded and naive.

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[TheMojoPin]

What if that took him 5 years until he met this nebulous criteria? That is the problem here. I have said I support limited unemployment benefits, but there has to come a time when enough is enough and the perpetually work-impaired has to be cut off. If you end their benefits, I am quite sure most will amazingly find a job almost immediately.

What if it is 5 years? The point was made, and I feel very reasonably, as long as I'm paying part of my taxes to unemployment, I should be entitled to be on it as long as I need to be. You're talking like cutting people off would push them into an acceptable job. Odds are it would be the same shitty job that wouldn't support yourself, much less anyone else. Cutting someone off doesn't solve anything...it could force someone into an even worse situation than when they were on welfare. Somone simply canNOT support a family on minimum wage or within a few dollars of it...what's the point in forcing someone onto that because their only penalty is that's literally all they could find? You're just creating more poverty.

The key here is that you talk like most welfare users are bausing the system, or are always on the cusp of abusing it, which simply is not the situation with the majority of welfare cases. Maybe you don't mean that, but that's how it comes across.

And why should we have less socialism? It's existed as part of our government since day one. I'll never understand why people like to emntion "socialism" in hushed tones like it's some scary boogeyman. Like most viable political options, it's often used in our country, and aspects of it do work. Some of it does not. But where did this "socialism automatically mean BAD" stigma come from?

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[silera]

Man I would hate to be that guy, right Saliva?

That's so witty.

Along the same line of intelligent comebacks, I'll retort... I know you are but what am I.

Idiot.


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[high fly]

I'll never understand why people like to mention "socialism" in hushed tones like it's some scary boogeyman...

It comes from too much Rush, Ollie, and the G-man; from taking their arguments as one's own rather than doing the research on both sides of an issue.
Since Atwater, it has been a Republican tactic to use words like "socialism" and "liberal" together and as epithets. it is a form of psychological warfare.
Nowadays you get around a bunch of ignorant rednecks that benefit greatly from, say, farm subsidies or other social programs pushed by the left, and say something like "...these goddamned liberals..." and they all nod in unison, harrumph in unison, spit tobacco in unison, and adjust their Oshkosh B'Gosh's in unison.
"Liberal" and "socialism" have replaced "godless comminists" in the lexicon of many.

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[TheMojoPin]

Alright, THAT I liked.

Nice.

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[furie]

going back to people i know as examples, they have lost their unemployment benefits for 4 months now and can still not find a job. through no lack of looking, but through a lack of hiring. ppl cant get jobs at temp agencies. goddamn temp agencies!!!!! yet u wont even lissen...ull sit there and think ur rite and the rest of the world is wrong. that republicans can solve every problem the world can ever produce. im not saying democrats can solve every problem. im saying that u have no idea how to listen to someones elses valid arguments, simply because u are too cantankerous and very narrow minded and naive.

wow.

you can spell cantankerous, but not you'll or right.



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