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hammersavage
06-04-2003, 08:13 AM
Hey all, I know there may have been a thread on this a while back but I thought it would be ok cause I got some questions about it.
First, if anyone would like to give ideas on what meals to eat or snacks, that would be great. I know the basics of the diet but telling me what worked for you would help me.
Some questions:
Is it ok to excercise normally on the diet?
How much can I lose in a month and a half?
Does it come back quickly when I stop the diet?
Vitamins?
Any other suggestions?
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated and thanks for your time.
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TooCute
06-04-2003, 08:21 AM
Visit <a href="http://atkinscenter.com">the atkins center website</a> which has pretty detailed info on what to eat, how much to eat, when to eat, and how the diet works.
Visit <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atkins_Support_List">this newsgroup</a> to talk to other people on the diet. I'm sure there are a ton of others that are for people who want to knwo more etc. That groups has links to snacks that you can eat and lots of ideas for making your own if you scroll back through the archives.
My father has been on this diet for about three months, and he's lost I think over thirty pounds, most of it in the first month or two. Generally it seems that in the first couple of weeks you will lose a lot of weight very quickly, but that is water weight, and then most people seem to go down a few pounds a week.
My uncle started it I think 5 or 6 days ago and has lost about 5 pounds I think he said. But then, he's still drinking sake, which you aren't supposed to do in the first two weeks, so maybe he would have lost more, who knows.
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JustJon
06-04-2003, 12:55 PM
Some questions:
Is it ok to excercise normally on the diet?
How much can I lose in a month and a half?
Does it come back quickly when I stop the diet?
Vitamins?
Any other suggestions?
I'm not an expert, but I've been on the diet a few times, most recently started last week.
Exercise: Yes. Be sure to drink the recommended 8 glasses of water a day so you don't dehydrate yourself. (Although, this is a good idea even if not dieting)
Everyone loses a different amount on the diet, depending on your body and your diet. It's almost impossible to give you a number.
It will come back, but probably not as fast as you lost it.
Not sure about Vitamins, I'd check atkinscenter.com
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One of the biggest misconceptions about the Atkins Diet is that it consists of zero carbohydrates for life. Completely untrue. You only abstain from carbs completely during the "induction phase" which should be 2-4 weeks depending on how overweight you are.
After that, you should slowly begin adding carbs back into your diet. They should come via whole grains and fruit rather than refined sugar or flour, however. You have to find your tolerance level for carbohydrates, and if you notice yourself gaining any weight back, scale back immediately. If you plan on going back to eating candy, pasta, and other Atkins no-nos, you'll gain the weight back faster than you lost it.
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Geppetto
06-04-2003, 07:27 PM
Gvac is correct, I'll add to it with this. Don't look at it as a diet that you go on and then finish. If you want the change in your weight to last then you should look at it as "this is the way I eat now" forever. I'm not saying you can't ever have something thats not on the plan, but in general you stay low carb. It might take some getting used to but trust me it works.
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Steels
06-04-2003, 07:41 PM
How about Beer? Can you still lose weight if you follow the diet strictly but continue to drink beer?
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LiquidCourage
06-04-2003, 07:42 PM
Don't do it!
My one health teacher was telling me that the one thing most people don't know about the Atkins diet is that it completely overloads your kidneys with protein. Not good!
shamus mcfitzy
06-04-2003, 08:11 PM
How about Beer? Can you still lose weight if you follow the diet strictly but continue to drink beer?
My father's on the diet and is trying to phase out beer because he hasn't lost like any weight so far. So I would say that beer is a big no no, or that my father cannot lose weight
fatty
06-05-2003, 06:28 AM
My father's on the diet and is trying to phase out beer because he hasn't lost like any weight so far. So I would say that beer is a big no no, or that my father cannot lose weight
that's why there is michelob ultra,
only 2.6 carbs a beer!
you're better off trying to drink less but if you do make sure it is light beer, it has a lot less carbs then regular beer.
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FatTony
06-05-2003, 06:47 AM
Now I am a fat guy. And alot of my friends say why don't you try that Atkins diet. And my response is "Yeah it did wonders for him". Referring to his recent death. They always say he died when he fell cracked his head opened. my response is always "See if he was fat, he would have bounced." always seems to get a laugh out of people
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TooCute
06-05-2003, 07:45 AM
Don't do it!
My one health teacher was telling me that the one thing most people don't know about the Atkins diet is that it completely overloads your kidneys with protein. Not good
Absolutely false. Your health teacher shouild try to actually learn about things before they teach you things.
Drinking beer absolutely will not work. Go to the atkins center website like I linked to earlier and it will explain this all. If you drink beer, you will not go into lipolysis and you'll defeat the whole point of being on atkins.
After two weeks of being on the diet, you can start adding in a little alcohol, and yeah michelob ultra doesn't have many carbs... but when you're only allowed to have 25g of carbs or whatever a day, wasting thm on beer when you could have carb free liquor seems stupid.
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fatty
06-05-2003, 08:34 AM
wasting thm on beer when you could have carb free liquor seems stupid.
what's a good carb free liquor? that's what i don't know, what alcohol is better than others. i would think vodka wouldn't have too many carbs as comapred to something with sugar.
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Mike Teacher
06-05-2003, 08:48 AM
I talked with Dr Atkins in his NYC office in 1995. It's not bragging becuase the subject matter involved an attempt to save a dying persons life, and that person wanted me there.
All that aside; I told him I listened to his radio show [he was on NY radio then WOR]. His radio show he said, got mostly callers about his diet, even though he really would rather have talked about other health issues from time to time.
Anyway he simply said 'people say the diet doesn't work, but hardly anyone actually follows the diet.'
In short, people who think they are on the diet do the following: cut out carbs, but what little carbs they take in are the simple carbs [refined sugars, and booze]; sacrifing the complex carbs the body Does need on this diet.
Then. they replace it with what might be called a high protein diet [all the yummy meats mentioned]; but much of what the people eat is also very high fat of the worst kind, saturated.
SO; following it as above can result in the hepatic and renal strain people are debating about above. It's individual to the person and how they are following things.
ALL of these diets are not what you want if what you want is to lose weight! Sounds stupid, maybe is, but that how I dropped 70 pounds; by ingesting less carbs [i still ate them alright]; but I minimized the simple carbs by [sorry...this will hurt...] giving up booze. Completely. 100%. Like the f-ing Osmonds. And took the long haul. 1.6 pounds a week; so well over a year. But that's a year later, down that much and still heading slowly downward.
Forget Hyperlipidemia and Hepatic/Portal Strains. They're just $5 words that I threw up there [pun?] to tell ya I read the chemistry of this; and if you want to lose weight you have to do it slow and find a diet for you.
ANY attempt to lose weight fast; like those liquid-protein diets, or fasting, or going all liquids, or whatever; can really be dangerous as hell. Sounds like a cliche, but have an MD do at least a check-up and some bloodwork so you can actually see YOUR blood chemistry. In fact, that's what I did. I got all the blood workup, got the results, and hit the books. Med books that is; to find out what the hell this Hyperlipidemia was that I have even though my total cholesterol was low and this was at 360 frigging pounds.
I saw the doctor and he said cut out the booze 100% [my liver numbers? the hepatic? holy shit thru the roof]. I didn;t tell him how much booze I sometimes drank. I cut it out 100%; ate what I wanted when I wanted, and lost 14 pounds in two weeks, which then seemed to halt for a while, and then the slow weight loss began.
My doctor, when I later told him how quickly I cut out all the booze, he said I was lucky I didn't have a seizure in those 2 weeks. He said many do. That's how much strain we can put on our bodies by what we ingest.
Read Atkins' book; its all over the place; a good read is also Barry Sears' series of books. He's 'the Zone' diet guy. This is personal for me, but the weight flew off me on a Zone-type diet.
My personal choice if ya HAD to get a single book? Ugh. Here it is: The Carbohydrate Addict's Healthy Heart Program by Heller, Heller and Vagnini. But since all of this is personal; that book may well, for you, suck.
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TooCute
06-05-2003, 08:49 AM
basically anything that's not wine or beer is carb free. just don't be stupid and mix them with soda or juice. It's all on that website...
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Mike Teacher
06-05-2003, 08:51 AM
what's a good carb free liquor? that's what i don't know, what alcohol is better than others. i would think vodka wouldn't have too many carbs as comapred to something with sugar.
Sheeesh, I put this huge ramble here and forget to answer what I wanted to answer.
The above is a great question!
The answer is, there's no such thing, sadly as carb free liquor.
Because liquor, meaning alcohol, meaning Ethanol specifically [that's the 'get you drunk' alcohol, there are others; quite a few. Many fatal.] IS a carb.
Alcohol = Sugar of the simplest kind
So its like asking for a meat free filet of beef.
Yep vodka; which is essentially ethanol and water, just contains that. Mixed drinks can up the sugar, unless ya use no-cal club soda.
Beer? It's essentially liquid bread. chemically similar in so many ways.
And the original poster of the thread asked how much weight you could lose in a month and a half. No one, even you or your doctor, can predict that.
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TooCute
06-05-2003, 09:25 AM
Alcohol does not affect your blood sugar and will not put you out of ketosis (which is the point of being on Atkins).
You will metabolize the alcohol before you metabolize fat, so you may stall your weight loss, but it will not put you back into cab-burning mode like eating, say, sugar will.
The only danger in drinking certain liquors (like say, scotch), is that since they're distilled from grains, they can cause problems for people who are predisposed to "yeast problems" (not something I have really read a lot about yet so I don't really know what these are). Apparently this yeast can stall weight loss and you might need to go to your doctor to get some pill to flush it all out of you. Sounds a bit odd to me, gotta read more about it.
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zoom2457
06-05-2003, 09:50 AM
I was really skeptical when I started reading this, a friend of mine went on this diet and he looked like crap. His face broke out and he even looked bigger but claimed he was still losing weight.
However, thanks to mike and too cute, I realize that it was because he wasn't really following the diet properly. He would eat chinese food on a daily basis, it was basically all he ate.
Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to mike and too cute for their answers.
TooCute
06-05-2003, 10:36 AM
Chinese food is hard because a lot of the sauces are made with cornstarch and sugar, but it can be done.
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Mike Teacher
06-05-2003, 11:20 AM
Alcohol does not affect your blood sugar
JAMA Journal [from my bazillion clippings]:
Sugar regulation is also an issue in alcohol consumption. It hinders the liver's ability to produce more sugar. Although, a temporary feeling of relief from low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) may be achieved due to the extra calories derived from drinking, the symptoms of hypoglycemia return even stronger after the effects wear off. The ultimate effect in this situation is an even lower blood sugar level. People who drink heavily may crave alcohol for this reason: alcohol increases energy, but when the effects of alcohol wear off blood sugar levels plummet, drinking more provides relief from low blood sugar symptoms, thus perpetuating the cycle.
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TooCute
06-05-2003, 11:33 AM
I guess I meant to say rather than "it does not affect your blood sugar" I should have said it doesn't get stored as glycogen... eh whatever... my only point was that you can drink it :)
When given the choice, your body will burn alcohol for energy before it burns fat. But alcohol does not act as a carbohydrate so it will not interfere with burning fat in the same way that sugars and other carbohydrates do.
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JustJon
06-05-2003, 12:21 PM
I guess I meant to say rather than "it does not affect your blood sugar" I should have said it doesn't get stored as glycogen... eh whatever... my only point was that you can drink it
but if you drink alot of it, you won't lose weight, either
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TooCute
06-05-2003, 12:57 PM
I already said that, tard.
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JustJon
06-05-2003, 01:55 PM
go back to sleep
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Heavy
06-05-2003, 03:09 PM
Alright some of these posts are too long and involved for me to, comprehend or care about. But I'll tell what I know and maybe itll help. The biggest problem for me when I was on the diet was the food part. I dont cook and theres not too many things you can eat wihtout cooking that have no carbs. Let me first say I hope you like diet soda and water, cause thats all you can drink. Now the food is mostly meat so someone better be able and willing to cook your ass some chicken or steaks or whatever. cheese, eggs, BACON etc. The only thing I ate with any carbs was ice cream, and it didnt seem to fuck up the diet. I lost a pound a day and looked different after 2 weeks, and stopped after 25 pounds in just about 25 days. About this time I was getting blood tests and they kept having me come back over and over because the blood work confused them. They thought I was anemic and couldnt understand why I wasnt underwieght. I shouldda been able to put it together and tell them i was on the diet but whatever.
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Steels
06-05-2003, 03:28 PM
Can you still lose weight if you follow the diet strictly but continue to drink beer?
Thanks for the info guys, my cousin is looking for a diet where his intake of beer will not be affected. This is not a blood cousin.
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JustJon
06-05-2003, 07:29 PM
Let me first say I hope you like diet soda and water
Can't drink too much diet soda. Caffeine fucks up the diet
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