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blakjeezis
05-31-2003, 06:44 AM
Okay. Sorry for the SHOCK title, this is actually a serious religious question. Follow me on this one. Lucifer rebelled against God's throne and was cast out of Heaven. Now he sits in Hell where he torments the souls of those who have sinned and not repented. So, in effect, by punishing the wicked is he not actually doing God's work. If he really wanted to upset God, wouldn't he reward the wicked with an eternal paradise that would rival even the house of God?
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ToddEVF
05-31-2003, 06:58 AM
thats makes a lot of sense, so even though he rebelled, he still works for the man
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Arienette
05-31-2003, 07:02 AM
if religion made any sense, i'd be shocked.
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reeshy
05-31-2003, 07:02 AM
But who told you that he is punishing the unrepented? The Church, that's who!! You think that they would say "damn, that Devil guy really treats his people pretty good!" No, you always say that the opposition is doing a shitty job and that they don't give a crap about you!! All Hail Satan!!! (Just in case..I'm kidding, God!!)
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PanterA
05-31-2003, 09:08 AM
Never question the word of God.
Now go repent.
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ToddEVF
05-31-2003, 09:34 AM
Never question the word of God.
Now go repent.
Why can't we have a vengeful god anymore with the angel of death? That would get people repenting really quick, don't you think?
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Immigration Dude
05-31-2003, 09:38 AM
Its because religions use "Hell" to keep people in line. Its never mentioned in the bible, just religious dogma. If people checked out what is in the bible they might be a little suprised that most things tought by the church, are made up for their own gain (i.e.- getting and keeping asses in the seats, thereby collecting revenue.)
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mdr55
05-31-2003, 10:10 AM
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East Side Dave
05-31-2003, 11:21 AM
I hope god and the devil finally get to fight in a big battle like Harry Hamlin and that three-headed dragon in "Clash of the Titans." The devil would be Harry Hamlin.
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HordeKing1
06-02-2003, 10:15 PM
If the gods were omnipotent as most religions postulate, he, she or they knew in advance that the prince of angels (heh heh - sorry I had to chortle) would rebel. (We'll ignore for now that most religions teach that angels have no free will.)
By not acting to prevent the "rebelion" the gods were responsible for his "fall," if not as conspirators than as accomplices and facilitators.
It's akin to the infamous Kitty Genovese (sp?) case - the woman who was raped in a courtyard while neighbors watched from their apartments. No one called the police.
Then again, what do you expect from god who, accoridng to myth, created man in their image, mean, petty, cruel, murderous and full of hatred, then created hell to punish them for being just like him.
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06-03-2003, 12:58 AM
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IrishAlkey
06-03-2003, 02:08 AM
Then again, what do you expect from god who, accoridng to myth, created man in their image, mean, petty, cruel, murderous and full of hatred, then created hell to punish them for being just like him.
Isn't that where free will comes into play?
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Immigration Dude
06-03-2003, 03:14 AM
Isn't that where free will comes into play?
So it all comes down to lyrics from a Rush song? Im confused...
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sr71blackbird
06-03-2003, 03:34 AM
If God is all powerful, can he make a rock so big that he himself cant lift it?
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DarkHippie
06-03-2003, 05:03 AM
If God is all powerful, can he make a rock so big that he himself cant lift it?
and that rock is called LED ZEPPELIN!!!!
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HordeKing1
06-03-2003, 09:20 AM
If god is omnipotent, he knows how every person will act in every situation. He knows the future. Given then that the future is certain to an omnipotent god, free will is illusory as the outcome is already predetermined by god and known to him or them before it happens.
Another paradox of religion.
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TooCute
06-03-2003, 10:45 AM
If god is omnipotent, he knows
I do believe you meant omniscient!
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Contra
06-03-2003, 12:39 PM
how did this turn into the plot of the matrix?
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06-03-2003, 01:49 PM
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Death Metal Moe
06-03-2003, 01:59 PM
What is that? Chinese?
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blakjeezis
06-03-2003, 02:30 PM
E io: Maestro, quai son quelle gentiche, seppellite dentro da quell'arche,
si fan sentir coi sospiri dolenti?.
Ed elli a me: Qui son li eresiarche
con lor seguaci, d'ogne setta, e molto
pi— che non credi son le tombe carche.
Simile qui con simile Š sepolto,
e i monimenti son pi— e men caldi.
E poi ch'a la man destra si fu v•lto,
passammo tra i martiri e li alti spaldi.
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TheMojoPin
06-03-2003, 03:03 PM
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HordeKing1
06-04-2003, 10:37 AM
I think omnipotent is a more powerful term than omniscient.
Omnipotent means without limit to power, which would include omniscience.
On the other hand having infinte knowledge and no power to do anything about it sounds like a Greek tragedy.
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golfcourseguy
06-04-2003, 11:54 AM
sounds like a Greek tragedy
Greek tragedy sounds like sheik menagerie
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