a question about LOTR's

[furie]

Saurman is the head of Gandalf's order, yes? that indicates that there are many or at the least several other wizards. why don't we hear of them? why haven't they taken sides in the war?

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[JerryTaker]

Off the top of my head, We do see Radghast the Brown in Fellowship (the book, obviously) He actually convinces Gandalf to pay Saurman a visit, leading to his capture.

Radghast wasn't bad, just brainwashed / too trusting of Saurman. He was adept with birds, too, and may have played some part in Gandalf getting rescued by Gwahir, iirc...



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[Bergalad]

Let the geeking begin. There are 5 "wizards" of the Order of Istari (also known as Maiar), three you see (Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast). Two others are unnamed in the literature, but it has been asserted by some "experts" that they went further East in ME to live with the Elves that remained beside the waters of Cuivienen. Just as a side note here, but Sauron was also a Maiar, and was therefore of the same "level" that Gandalf was. The difference was Sauron was not bound by the same stricture that Gandalf was, and was able to use his full powers at will while in Middle Earth. Geeking done.

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[DarkHippie]

actually, all of the Istari are Maiar, but when they were sent to middle earth by the Valar, they were sent with the specific rule that they couldn't oppose Sauron physically--the fight was to be that of the people there, and they could only advise and support them.

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[TooCute]

Two others are unnamed in the literature, but it has been asserted by some "experts" that they went further East in ME to live with the Elves that remained beside the waters of Cuivienen.

In fact, their names (in Valinor) were Alatar and Pallando (the latter being brought by the former as his friend, and the former being sent by Orome), and they were called simply the blue wizards (istheryn luin) in middle earth.

The "experts" you refer to would be Tolkien himself (and I supposed he ought to know); in Unfinished Tales he mentiones that they (and Saruman) went east, but only
Saruman came back. In his letters he later mentions that he supposes that they went East and West, beyond the realm of Numenor, and he figures they probably failed in their missions.

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[Bergalad]

In fact, their names (in Valinor) were Alatar and Pallando (the latter being brought by the former as his friend, and the former being sent by Orome), and they were called simply the blue wizards (istheryn luin) in middle earth.
To delve a little further into the obscure:

As to the Istari, only three seem to play any role in events related to The Lord of the Rings, Saruman the White, Gandalf the Grey, and Radagast the Brown. Saruman's outburst at Orthanc, when he spoke of `the rods of the Five Wizards,' seems to have been letting out some private information. Nowhere in The Lord of the Rings do we learn anything more about the two other wizards, though Tolkien seems to have considered the question on a few occasions, and come up with a few different theories. Some of Tolkien's notes on the Istari appear in Unfinished Tales (1980). In one of these passages, apparently written around 1954, Tolkien named the other two as Ithryn Luin, `the Blue Wizards,' who passed into the East and never returned. Some other notes indicate that they were named Alatar and Pallando. To complicate matters, some more notes are published in The Peoples of Middle-earth (1996), in a small section "The Five Wizards" in the section titled "Last Writings." There Tolkien wrote:

"No names are recorded for the two wizards. They were never seen or known in the lands west of Mordor." In a still further note, Tolkien wrote: "The `other two' came much earlier, at the same time probably as Glorfindel, when matters became very dangerous in the Second Age. Glorfindel was sent to aid Elrond and was (though not yet said) pre-eminent in the war in Eriador. But the other two Istari were sent for a different purpose. Morinehtar and Romestamo. Darkness-slayer and East-helper. Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion."