Yankees Bullpen...SUCKS

[Heavy]

God forbid a starter not have the lead after 7 innings! In 3 innings of work the fuckers give up 7 runs tonight. I mean this Spezio cocksucker was in a 0-26 slump coming into tonights game and he hits a fucking grandslam tonight! DOUCHEBAGS WAKE UP

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sorry buddy!

hope you didn't have too much riding on this game...

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[Heavy]

I dont bet on baseball. But Im a yanknee fan and it pains me to see the team suffer like this. Our ENTIRE pitching staff needs to be replaced after this year.

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and as he replaced his pitching staff he began to think of the long hot showers with Dave Winfield so he

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[Heavy]

wrong thread

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[Immigration Dude]

First of all YOUR Yanks, are still in first. You do got Rivera. Your starters are old but you knew that last year when you got rid of one cuban who you had no idea how old he was and got another who you have no idea about his age either. I think that the starters are gonna wilt like last year. I hope the Sox will still be around then but I'm a realist.

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For a long time, everything the Yanks touched turned to gold. Starting with Paul O'Neill for Roberto Kelly(which I hated), they've consistently made popular decisions against the conventional wisdom but shown themsevles to be very smart in doing so, right down to the Joe Torre signing. But that all changed with the failure to even try to resign Jeff Nelson after 2000. Here was a guy who proved he could get it done in NY(something Karsay hadn't) and get clutch outs. Instead of 3 years for 9 million for Nellie, we get Karsay 4years at 22 million a year later after pitching Mariano one inning too many in 2001 vs the D-Backs. Mariano was filling Nellie's role during the playoffs and he did great for a while, but you can only bend so far before you break. That flukey World Series loss(only really possible because of the 9/11 attrocities, since Arizona's exhausted starters got 10 days off down the stretch) was followed by the panic signings of Giambi(who isnt' bad, but I'd rather Johnson at first right now at $500,000 vs. Giambi at 14 million with a "chronic" bad knee for 6 more years), and Rondell White. Giambi was a very good player last year, but I'd rather Nick Johnson, Vladimir Gurerrero and Bartolo Colon next year, rather than Nick, Giambi and one of those 2. White was an obvious bust, but I figure, what the hell, you can't bat a thousand , but I cut the front office slack. But the first time I really questioned them in 10 years was signing Hammond. Here was a guy who had one very good year after about 10 of unfulfilled promise in MLB. And this southern boy did it in pitchers park Turner Field. Now he gets dumped in the pressure cooker. Stanton was not the Stanton of old, but again, we knew he could hack it. Hammond looks very overmatched. Since Stanton's making more cash, I"d be calling the Mets tomorrow to swing a deal and right that wrong. Add Matsui's signing to the occasion, and the front office has really been shitty of late. I don't blame Cashman, since he wanted Stanton and no part of Matsui, but they are at a definite crossroads. Hopefully Erick Almonte can be traded for a reliable setup man(and lets hope the Mariners fall out of things and Nellie can be returned home). Sorry for the diatgribe, but the bottom line is I agree, the bullpen isfor shit.

And one more thing... Why in the blue fuck is the best Yankee pure hitter since Mattingly batting 9th, while Matsui continues to be overmatched in the 5th hole? Who do you really expect to deliever right now? And Johnson has MORE experience than Matsui on the major league level. He started off nice, and he has 26 Rbi's or so, but with Sori, Johnson and Bernie as hot as they were for the 1st two weeks in front of me, I think I could have 10 RBis.

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That flukey World Series loss(only really possible because of the 9/11 attrocities, since Arizona's exhausted starters got 10 days off down the stretch)


What does 9/11 have to do with this?

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[A.J.]

At least you guys don't have a "bullpen by committee".

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[schmega]

lets not compare nick johnson to donny baseball just yet. he's got a good batting eye. thats about all you can say for now. he's only got about a year's experience on matsui. besides, if he's so good, its not a bad thing that he's in front of soriano.

yeah, the bullpen fuckin sucks. i havent had this little faith in them since the ALDS vs. seattle.

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i have my own thread......

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[The Nature Boy]

What does 9/11 have to do with this?



It has to do with it because Arizona was the only team could have beaten the Yankees with their pitching that season. I mean, this is when the Yankees were THE Yankees, compartively, last year of Tino, Brosisus, O'Neill, etc. They had been able to overcome adversity previously, but going up against Johnson and Schilling for 5 starts and 6 appearances in 7 games, and to eek out a win in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 at home was obviously too much to bear. Now, give credit where it's due, AZ won the title fair and square and they beat the Yankees on the field.

But thinking back to September 10th baseball, AZ was reeling, and facing a long pennant race. They more than any other team in recent years were all about 2 pitchers. Yes Gonzalez had a huge year, and lots of nice support seasons too(Williams, Sanders, Grace, Counsell, and Kim). They probably make the playoffs as in 1999, but were unable to advance due to Schilling and Johnson being fried.

But with 9/11 attack, baseball takes a 10 day hiatus, naturally and with good reason. But that break also affords Johnson and Schilling a breather that they otherwise never would have gotten. And they still had a tough road, but getting reinvigorated didn't hurt matters.

I think without that break, there's no way they even make the series, let alone beat the Yankees.

But I don't want to paint an unfair picture here. The Yanks had some age on their staff that year, and that 10 day break helped them too. Plus, there were several magical plays on the way losing that series, that can be consider fate, forturne or luck. Jeter's behind the back toss to preserve what would be a 1-0 victory down 2 games to none in Oakland, beating the 116 Mariners in round 2, and the 2 out, 2 run homers off Kim at the Stadium in games 4 and 5 were all incredible moments. But the D-backs, tip your hat to them, put the stake in the heart of the Yankees on the field.

My real point is, I personally viewed that as a flukey Series loss since AZ was the only team that probably could have beaten them, and only if the big 2 were pitching like they did. And it's my contention that they wouldn't pitch like they did if they didn't get 10 days off in the middle of the pennant race.

But George and the Yankee braintrust saw it as something more, and reacted in a manner contrary to what had gotten them there in previous years, by signing Giambi, White, Karsay and Wells(who in fairness has turned into a good signing). I do love Giambi, but he unbalanced their lineup, and a team that used to move runners around were now sitting back and waiting for the homerun ball. And last year's loss to the Angels was more emblematic. The Yankees have done it on clutch, patient hitting and good pitching, and the Angels beat them with their blueprint last year. So that panic begat Hammond over Stanton, and a clear deprioritizing of the bullpen. Did the Yankees need Matsui at 7 million a year? Because I would have rather had Guerrero at say 16 million and Juan Rivera in the outfield next year. I don't want to hear money cries when the money is being mispent. And I think the mispending comes out of panic regarding the losses, which began in 2001.

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[phixion]

It has to do with it because Arizona was the only team could have beaten the Yankees with their pitching that season. I mean, this is when the Yankees were THE Yankees, compartively, last year of Tino, Brosisus, O'Neill, etc. They had been able to overcome adversity previously, but going up against Johnson and Schilling for 5 starts and 6 appearances in 7 games, and to eek out a win in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 at home was obviously too much to bear. Now, give credit where it's due, AZ won the title fair and square and they beat the Yankees on the field.

But thinking back to September 10th baseball, AZ was reeling, and facing a long pennant race. They more than any other team in recent years were all about 2 pitchers. Yes Gonzalez had a huge year, and lots of nice support seasons too(Williams, Sanders, Grace, Counsell, and Kim). They probably make the playoffs as in 1999, but were unable to advance due to Schilling and Johnson being fried.



so in ur mind david robinson's, and tim duncan's title in '99 didnt count and should b stricken from the record?

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so in ur mind david robinson's, and tim duncan's title in '99 didnt count and should b stricken from the record?



No, what do you infer this from?

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[phixion]

No, what do you infer this from?



since it was a shortened season, 50 games instead of 82.

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[JerryTaker]

I do love Giambi, but he unbalanced their lineup, and a team that used to move runners around were now sitting back and waiting for the homerun ball


Now, I thought Tino was amazing both offensively and defensively, but you couldn't "move him around the bases" with a bulldozer, if he ever stole a base, they had to check the pitcher for vitals...

The Yanks succumbed in 01 for the same reason they did last year, and it's still thier weakest point, which is of course thier bullpen... A bullpen Torre did not trust, and he needed to use Mariano for 5-6 outs <I>every single playoff game</I> by game 7, he was bound to make a mistake, and he did. end of story.

so what the hell is going on with these pitchers? why has Randy Choate been giving up 6 runs an inning for 2 seasons? do they have any training? are they learning anything, are are they locked in a dark, damp basement somewhere until it's time to pitch?

Nelson, Stanton, Mendoza, and Lloyd were amazing for the yanks. They may not have been lights out every time out like Mo, but hell, they were a whole heaping load better than the parade of losers the yanks are sending to the mound this season....


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[SuperClerk]

The Super Bowl was postponed a week also. Does this mean that the Patriots didn't deserve to win?

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Didnt the Yankees get that same rest?


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since it was a shortened season, 50 games instead of 82


No, the MLB season was not shortened. Merely interupted. And I don't slight the Spurs because their season was not interuptted, merely delayed.

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[The Nature Boy]

The Super Bowl was postponed a week also. Does this mean that the Patriots didn't deserve to win?



No, the NFL simply moved Week 2 to Week 18. Hardly the stretch run for the NFL.

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[The Nature Boy]

Didnt the Yankees get that same rest?



They certainly did, and I mentioned that in my original post. But the question is, who needed it more? Arizona was in the thick of a playoff race at the point, and they were starting their big guns as much as possible, skipping guys in the rotatation when needed to get them starting as many games as possible. Factor in too that when Johnson or Schilling had historically needed to do that, there had been some post season burnout and flameout(Johnson with the M's in the 97 post season and his Houston run, Schilling's last 4 weeks in AZ in 2000). You can only go to the well so often. A 10 day breather in the middle of a pennant race can theortetically help or hurt anyone equally, but when it comes down to who got the MOST benefit, I'd think it was AZ due to their aging pitchers. And again, I"m not looking to revoke their rings, they earned them and won them fair and square on the diamond. But my point was the Yankees brass shouldn't have freaked out, considering the fact AZ probably doesn't make the series without a most flukey 10 day hiatus in the middle of the stretch run.

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Check that again in another 123 games....

You know... <I>IF</I> boston were to come out ahead of the Yanks this season, I can picture Steinbrenner sneaking around Yankee Stadium with a few gasoline cans...

EDIT: I suck at math...

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[Heavy]

i cant even argue with a sock fan.....it like kicking someone when theyre dead

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[Bigden]

Saying 9/11 and the resulting delay prevented the Yankees from winning? Please.... what happened last year the Anaheim Banging sticks prevented the Yankee bullpen from getting any sleep during the game? Face it Jeter's production is dropping every year- see BA and Hr's, and the bullpen needs some help- Acevedo is just awfull, and Hammond doesn't look very good either.

[Heavy]

Jeter doesnt need great #'s. He comes up big when it matters. Nobody in baseball today has had more big plays when it count than Jeter.

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[The Nature Boy]

Saying 9/11 and the resulting delay prevented the Yankees from winning? Please.... what happened last year the Anaheim Banging sticks prevented the Yankee bullpen from getting any sleep during the game? Face it Jeter's production is dropping every year- see BA and Hr's, and the bullpen needs some help- Acevedo is just awfull, and Hammond doesn't look very good either


Reading is fundamental, homes. No one said that at any time. But they only seem to make drastic changes when they lose in the post-season, which they may or may not have done had the 9/11 delay not interupted things.

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[Heavy]

Un
Fucking
Believable.

Acevado blows

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[Heavy]

Are you people watching this? Hitchcock, Hammond,.....why are they still on my team!? Atleast Nelson and Mo will be able to close this out and salvage a win!

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They never should've gotten rid of El Duqe, he was the bomb shit and for an added bonus HE COULD FUCKING PITCH. Wake the fuck up Yankees, keep going like this and you wont make it to the series, or the league playoffs, and your only about 2 games ahead of the sox. If the sox beat out the yankees i will literaly go to yankee stadium and kill every pitcher on the team.

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[Heavy]

Now we have Felix Heredia in the game. He sucked last year, he sucks this year and he'll suck next year. Like I said last year, the whole staff should be chaged and besides Mo and Moose it basically has, but we still have heredia, and he fucking blows.

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I think Joe needs to find some rest for Gordon and Quantrill; they're looking tired.

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Oh fuck.

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[Heavy]

Exactly.

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[schmega]

take it easy. quantrill NEVER gets tired. he can pitch every day if he had to, really. he's been throwing every day since he was a kid. any problems he has is most likely related to the knee he injured in japan. fuckin japan.

gordon laid an egg today, but not because of his arm. he made 2 awful errors. he's the best setup man the yanks have had since rivera. he's better than the stanton/nelson tandem.

heredia just plain sucks.

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Take easy its May. The Yankee Pen has been great all year. Everyone has a bad game.

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now everyone finally sees why i was not too into arod coming over...yeah they have a good offense but who really gives a shit if there is no pitching to back it up. ive been saying this for a whole bunch of seasons now, i do not trust the bullpen. i dont even trust the starting pitching staff either. the yankees need good pitching BADLY

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the yankees need good pitching BADLY


They'll be getting Garcia from Seattle any day now.

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