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ChickenHawk
04-08-2003, 04:47 PM
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Fuck! Looks like they may have gotten our hopes up for nothing again:
**http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,932750,00.html**

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Wormwood
04-08-2003, 04:49 PM
Hey don't be so sad, I'm sure somebody is dead somewhere, and thinking about that is what gets me through the day.

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04-08-2003, 04:51 PM
Good- I hope he was just seriously injured and it hurts real bad!!!!!

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04-08-2003, 04:56 PM
"PYYYYYLLLLLLLE!!!"

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Reephdweller
04-08-2003, 07:33 PM
I give up. If he's alive after this, than we'll never get him.

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samnyc
04-08-2003, 07:37 PM
Those wacky anti-Americans can finally release their breath now that their hero has come back to life and can get us yet!

Johnny Fontane
04-08-2003, 07:39 PM
God I hate it whan they call him President Saddam.

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TheMojoPin
04-08-2003, 08:24 PM
Thank GOD he's alive. I think he's bigger than Jesus AND Santa combined. Shame on you, Mr. Bush...SHAME!

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FUNKMAN
04-08-2003, 08:28 PM
rather catch him alive with his sons...

then they could be handed over to the NY Police and get the "broomstick in the butt" treatment...

then we can bury them up to their heads in the sand and have some of the nastiest crack ho's sit on their faces... once that's done Tiger Woods and the Daly guy can tee off on the back of their heads with their best drivers and see how far their eyeballs will go...

then once that's done?????

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ChickenHawk
04-08-2003, 08:39 PM
Those wacky anti-Americans can finally release their breath now that their hero has come back to life and can get us yet!
Good point.

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furie
04-09-2003, 07:31 AM
but who's the well placed source? if they're going to quote someone, name him.

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TooCute
04-09-2003, 07:40 AM
Who cares? What difference does it make?

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A.J.
04-09-2003, 07:44 AM
I'd rather see him and his scumbag sons captured alive. I want them to be humilated and tried before they're executed.

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Alice S. Fuzzybutt
04-09-2003, 07:49 AM
I heard one report that Saddam and one son survived, but are wounded. The other son was killed.

I'm sure the report will change.

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Uncle Smokey
04-09-2003, 08:28 AM
Who cares? What difference does it make?


I can't imagine someone with sufficient intelligence to operate a computer keyboard could ask this question. Irrespective of your position on the war, failing to grasp the significance of confirmed evidence that Saddam is dead is so ludicrous is defies characterization. Either you feel a need to demand attention by means of irrational obduracy on self-evident matters, or you're profoundly stupid. Please advise ASAP...Id like to know whether I should go continue to find you monumentally distasteful, or if I should give up on that and simply start to pity you.

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furie
04-09-2003, 10:53 AM
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GaryWyze
04-09-2003, 10:55 AM
<font color=purple>I don't want him dead by some massive bomb blast.

Ideally, I'd like to see the Iraqi people pull a Mussolini on him, with all the World watching.

But barring that, trial as a war criminal sounds about right.

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TooCute
04-09-2003, 11:29 AM
I can't imagine someone with sufficient intelligence to operate a computer keyboard could ask this question. Irrespective of your position on the war, failing to grasp the significance of confirmed evidence that Saddam is dead is so ludicrous is defies characterization. Either you feel a need to demand attention by means of irrational obduracy on self-evident matters, or you're profoundly stupid. Please advise ASAP...Id like to know whether I should go continue to find you monumentally distasteful, or if I should give up on that and simply start to pity you.

Disregarding your ridiculous insults, I'm curious as to why you think it really matters so much.

It's my opinion that it makes no difference whether he is alive or dead. Either way, his regime has been toppled. His life has no bearing that I can see on what is going to happen to Iraq in the future.

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Wormwood
04-09-2003, 11:44 AM
I can't imagine someone with sufficient intelligence to operate a computer keyboard could ask this question. Irrespective of your position on the war, failing to grasp the significance of confirmed evidence that Saddam is dead is so ludicrous is defies characterization. Either you feel a need to demand attention by means of irrational obduracy on self-evident matters, or you're profoundly stupid. Please advise ASAP...Id like to know whether I should go continue to find you monumentally distasteful, or if I should give up on that and simply start to pity you.


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04-09-2003, 03:10 PM
I can't imagine someone with sufficient intelligence to operate a computer keyboard could ask this question. Irrespective of your position on the war, failing to grasp the significance of confirmed evidence that Saddam is dead is so ludicrous is defies characterization. Either you feel a need to demand attention by means of irrational obduracy on self-evident matters, or you're profoundly stupid. Please advise ASAP...Id like to know whether I should go continue to find you monumentally distasteful, or if I should give up on that and simply start to pity you.

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jax
04-09-2003, 03:30 PM
'I should go continue to find you monumentally distasteful, or if I should give up on that and simply start to pity you.'

Holy shit whats uncle smokey been smokin?
unclesmokey=dickshunary breath

TooCute
04-09-2003, 04:13 PM
I think I need to amend my statement.

I suppose it COULD make a difference if Saddam was dead and his body were found to confirm that, for it could martyr him in the eyes of some.

I'm not familiar enough with the politics and religion of the middle east to quite understand what the implications of his martyrdom would be, if any.

But as the freedom of Iraqis is concerned, I repeat, why does it matter whether Saddam is dead or alive?

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Uncle Smokey
04-10-2003, 09:39 AM
I apologize for the ridiculous insults....I just feel you take pleasure in being deliberately contrary at times, and in this case it pissed me off more than it should have. If you're genuinely curious as to why knowing Saddam is dead is important, here are the reasons that occur to me immediately.
- the regime, while "toppled" still retains vestiges of power in Baghdad and elsewhere...intense ground fighting persists btwn coalition forces and those loyal to Saddam.
- a large portion of Iraq's intelligence apparatus, republican guard, and elite republican guard, all intensely loyal to Saddam, remain unaccounted for.
- if Saddam is not dead and has managed, for instance, to escape to the north,
according to AP (so it must be right) "Ten or more Iraqi army divisions - as many as 80,000 troops - were in the area between the capital and the Kurdish-controlled areas of far northern Iraq, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Richard Myers said Wednesday." While it's not inconceivable that these divisions would drop their arms and surrender if their leader were proven dead, his presence in the vicinity, along with a republican guard battalion, paramilitary irregulars, and the intense loyalty of his tribesmen in Tikrit- a gopher's den of command bunkers - you have the prospect of a drawn out guerilla war being contested by a supposedly "toppled" regime.
-all of this is taking place while at the same time, we are occupying much of the country, basking at least for this moment in the warm welcome of a newly liberated people. This won't last. The sooner we do our business, establish the framework for a functional, modern democratic Iraq, and get the hell out of dodge, the better. To the extent that the presence of Saddam and his sons can extend and complicate our mission, so much the better for them to be proven dead as soon as possible.

Finally, you have to remember that any dictatorship necessarily functions as a national cult of personality - the government embodied by a single person. This is evident in the seemingly myriad paintings, statues, and monuments that appear to decorate every corner of Iraq's landscape. Consider that in Iraq, this cult has persisted for more than three decades, largely through violence and intimidation. While its not absolutely necessary to the creation of a free state to do so, the committment to a new Iraq would be largely emboldened by quite literally killing the old Iraq, as embodied by Saddam.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my admittedly prickish response yesterday.

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Immigration Dude
04-10-2003, 09:48 AM
Damn this guy likes to hear himself talk.

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TooCute
04-10-2003, 11:51 AM
I apologize for the ridiculous insults....I just feel you take pleasure in being deliberately contrary at times,

I have never done this, thanks.


- the regime, while "toppled" still retains vestiges of power in Baghdad and elsewhere...intense ground fighting persists btwn coalition forces and those loyal to Saddam.
- a large portion of Iraq's intelligence apparatus, republican guard, and elite republican guard, all intensely loyal to Saddam, remain unaccounted for.

Great. But alive or dead, there has been extremely little evidence to suggest that they (the troops) are recieving or have been receiving any orders from Saddam since the beginning of the war. From all of the reports I have read, commanders of groups of Iraqi soldiers seem to be taking it upon themselves to decide whether to fight or surrender; hence the non-uniformity in the way Iraqis are engaging the US military.


- if Saddam is not dead and has managed, for instance, to escape to the north,
according to AP (so it must be right) "Ten or more Iraqi army divisions - as many as 80,000 troops - were in the area between the capital and the Kurdish-controlled areas of far northern Iraq, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Richard Myers said Wednesday." While it's not inconceivable that these divisions would drop their arms and surrender if their leader were proven dead, his presence in the vicinity, along with a republican guard battalion, paramilitary irregulars, and the intense loyalty of his tribesmen in Tikrit- a gopher's den of command bunkers - you have the prospect of a drawn out guerilla war being contested by a supposedly "toppled" regime.


This could very well happen whether Saddam is alive or dead. Regardless of how long it takes to roust out the last of his supporters, Saddam's regime is over. Period. He isn't coming back into power. I don't see that his life/death is going to have any effect on the future of Iraq.

-all of this is taking place while at the same time, we are occupying much of the country, basking at least for this moment in the warm welcome of a newly liberated people. This won't last. The sooner we do our business, establish the framework for a functional, modern democratic Iraq, and get the hell out of dodge, the better. To the extent that the presence of Saddam and his sons can extend and complicate our mission, so much the better for them to be proven dead as soon as possible.

Finally, you have to remember that any dictatorship necessarily functions as a national cult of personality - the government embodied by a single person. This is evident in the seemingly myriad paintings, statues, and monuments that appear to decorate every corner of Iraq's landscape.
Which are apparently being torn down by Iraqis as we speak.
Consider that in Iraq, this cult has persisted for more than three decades, largely through violence and intimidation. While its not absolutely necessary to the creation of a free state to do so, the committment to a new Iraq would be largely emboldened by quite literally killing the old Iraq, as embodied by Saddam.
I agree to a certain extent, but will say again that I don't think that his life or death is going to have much bearing on the government that it seems mor and more likely the US and Britain are going to install in Iraq. Hmm, final quote from Ari Fleischer re: whether Saddam is dead or alive

In the bigger scheme of things, it really doesn't matter because whether it is him or whether it isn't him, the regime's days are numbered and are coming to an end.

Not that what he says necessarily matters very much, but at least I'm not the only one who thinks so :)

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TooCute
04-18-2003, 05:31 AM
New video!

He's baaa-aaack!

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FiveB247
04-18-2003, 05:34 AM
It's getting ridiculous...he's got more go arounds then Jason from Friday the 13th.

furie
04-18-2003, 07:09 AM
Quote:
I apologize for the ridiculous insults....I just feel you take pleasure in being deliberately contrary at times,



I have never done this



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furie
04-18-2003, 07:13 AM
However, an Iraqi envoy loyal to Saddam said Friday he was confident the Iraqi president was killed by the coalition bombing of Baghdad.

"I know his character," Iraq's ambassador to Belgrade, Sami Sadoun, told The Associated Press in an interview. "The defense of Baghdad would not have collapsed so quickly if he was not dead."


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TheMojoPin
04-18-2003, 07:40 AM
Durrr. I mean, the guy DOES have the inside track...

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DarkHippie
04-18-2003, 01:05 PM
wE'll never know if he's dead or not. He has like 10 doubles of himself. It's like trying to kill Emporer Palpatine.

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schmega
04-18-2003, 01:12 PM
Emporer Palpatine

he had doubles?

i agree with the vulcan. saddam's fate matters not. neither does bin laden's. as long as neither of them are able to carry out their evil deeds, we're fine.

furie
04-18-2003, 01:27 PM
he had doubles?


read Dark Empire

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TheMojoPin
04-18-2003, 05:48 PM
read Dark Empire

No, DON'T.

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DarkHippie
04-18-2003, 07:50 PM
It's like trying to kill emperor palpatine

read Dark Empire

No, DON'T.

we just let our geek flag fly, don't we.

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furie
04-30-2003, 07:13 AM
Wow. They're getting desperate. They can't even put out a video of saddam, now it;s just a crappy hand written letter.
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