About Michael Moore...

[The Blowhard]

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp

Interesting.

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[curtoid]

ROGER AND ME also played fast and loose with some of its facts, but nevertheless was
a great film.

My only real problem with COLUMBINE was that it tried to do too much, but all in all I
thought it was pretty good. I even know some anti-gun people who were surprised
that it made them look at their issue differently.

Also, I loved the "South Park" bit.

I view Michael Moore as an amusing big old load who has no answers, but can pose
some interesting questions and can get conversations started. I don't know whpeople
were surprised and outraged by his "performance" at the Oscars; they would have
been the first ones griping if he had said nothing (they should be sucking his "D" for all
the work he put into Ralph Nader's campaign back in 2000).

TV Nation was a hysterical tv show - his newer one isn't that great.

[KOP]






This message was edited by KOP on 4-6-03 @ 12:44 AM

[The Blowhard]

TV Nation was a hysterical tv show


I confess that it was probably the funniest show on television and I never missed it.

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[TheMojoPin]

But by contrast, "The Awful Truth" was a spiteful, angry, vindictive mess of a show. You can definitely see a huge difference between the "Roger" and "Nation" days and the current "Truth" and "Columbine" days. In the earlier days, he could just point his mic and his targets would pretty much destroy themselves without his provocation. Now he's actively on the attack, and he only wants HIS view to be seen, for better or for worse. He's become a pundit, and his work suffered greatly because of it.

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[reeshy]

he only wants HIS view to be seen, for better or for worse

Isn't that what most people want in life? The more discussions I get into, the more I realize how futile it sometimes is to express my view since I rarely see other people change their opinions and , in the long run, what does it matter-things happen around us whether we have any input or not!! Life is Absurd!! Life is nothingness!!!! thank you

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[Shecky]

Michael Moore is a fat bastard who got what he deserved at the Oscars. He thought everyone was gonna cheer and applaud his statements but it backfired when only 5 people booed so to speak.

PRAY FOR THE BRAVE ONES!!!!

Later On,
SHECKY

[TheMojoPin]

Isn't that what most people want in life?

Of course. But with his earlier works, he was willing to PRESENT his side to you and let you make up your own conclusions...now it's like he's reaching out and grabbing you by the shirt and shaking you until you agree with him, and if you still don't after that, he spits acid blood in your face.

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[Se7en]

My only real problem with COLUMBINE was that it tried to do too much, but all in all I
thought it was pretty good. I even know some anti-gun people who were surprised
that it made them look at their issue differently.

I hope those same anti-gun people later realized that it's been extensively documented that Moore fabricated entire portions of that movie just to portray his point of view as the correct one.

Oh wait, though, I forget: even though Moore presents his films as "documentaries", which I always thought were supposed to at least represent something akin to (at least somewhat) truthful storytelling, when anyone points out the glaring lies he tells he simply dismisses his work as "political comedy" and above reproach.


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I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know.

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---Saint Iago

[TheMojoPin]

Well, he's NEVER presented his works as "straight up documentaries"...from the beginning he's always made it clear that he was actively participating, which automatically makes it biased and HIS film. It was the Academy's mistake to award him that award...

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[The Nature Boy]

Mojo, you are right on the money my man! Moore definately shot himself in the foot in moving from showing the story to telling it. Roger and Me works because it is so natural, so organic, and so reasonable. The facts and logic are on his side there, so he didn't need to try hard. A little less so with "The Big One", but that started my bad faith in Moore. Phil Knight deserved a lot of credit as being the lone CEO to appear, and instead, he gets slaughtered, and NIKE STILL hasn't really recovered from that damage. Now, you could rightly reason that Nike causes their own problems, but the complete lack of good faith was off-putting. On the one hand, these guys are castigated for NOT appearing, and when one does, the CEO's were proven correct given the beating Knight took.

And Columbine is such shoddy filmmaking, it scares me that people could be so uninformed to swallow that crap hook line and sinker. Take the college film segement that was the Louie Armstrong segment, "What a Wonderful World". 50 years of U.S. and Global politics are summarized, dissected and spit out in a 2 and a half minute song. The depth behind those most powerful images are absent, depth that is necessary to understand the scenario. Moore lives on 20 year olds who think they are just discovering that the U.S. at times chooses the lesser of two evils. The Geo-political scene is a puzzle, and to take out and analyze one abstract piece is not to see the whole picture. Something I assume this blowhard knows, but is clever to obscure with edited footage and South Park montages.

I do expect much more from Moore, he's a potentially powerful balance to many checks. And I know he's not a journalist, but he damages his at times well thought out opinions when he results to "fictitious" storytelling.

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[LiquidCourage]

Wow, an entire website dedicated to bashing Moore.


http://www.moorewatch.com

[high fly]

Roger and Me was enough out of Mr. Moore.
Since then, he's just been grasping, unsuccessfully. It's good knowing he'll be catching shit for many years to come.
Though it's not really connected, for some reason it reminds me of when Marlon Brando had that chick accept his Godfather Oscar for him. She got up there in Indian duds, talking about mistreatment of the indians and shit, I think she mighta had an indian name or something; but later on it came out that she wasn't even an indian, she was just faking it.

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