WBAI FM 99.5 Anti-American Radio [Archive]

WRESTLINGFAN

03-30-2003, 04:19 PM

I was in Manhattan this past Friday afternoon for a Job interview. I decided to take a cab uptown to meet some of my old co workers for lunch. The driver had on what is obviously an anti american radio station on. After about 5 minutes i couldnt stand to listen to it any more. I was like screw it, i told the cabbie to pull over and let me out by herald square and threw 3 dollars at him. I am sick of hearing that American Imperalism caused the 9/11 attacks. When will these people realize that the Arab World hates us, and hates our way of life.

Kinda makes you think when the #1 rapper is white and the #1 golfer is black

HBox

03-30-2003, 04:48 PM

When will these people realize that the Arab World hates us, and hates our way of life

They don't hate us just for our way of life. It would be nice to think we are completely blameless and they all hate us just because they are "evil," but that is far from the truth and that mindset will only make it worse. We certainly didn't do anything to deserve 9-11, but the way we have treated the Middle East in the past is horrendous. We supported Saddam in gassing Iranians. We supported the Shah of Iran, a brutal dictator. We for years supported the Saudi Royal Family, hardly a democracy and also a brutal regime (as we found out). We of course support Israel, and we have to expect some hatred for doing that, whether it is deserved or not.

And stop with this Anti-American crap. Whether or not you support Bush has nothing to do with how American you are. Bush is hardly the definition of an American.

If you are an American, you will support then ideals of this country. You will speak out when you disagree with the government. You will do whatever you can that you think will make this country better. You will support those who would die for you.

Being a lemming is not being an American.

ChickenHawk

03-30-2003, 05:03 PM

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DarkHippie

03-30-2003, 05:06 PM

What exactly were they saying on that station?

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WRESTLINGFAN

03-30-2003, 05:10 PM

I only listened for a few minutes but they said America was to blame for 9/11. They also praised that maggot Michael Moore.

I just did some research on this station. It is part of a network called Pacifica which is funded by people. Its sort of like PBS for the radio

Kinda makes you think when the #1 rapper is white and the #1 golfer is black

WRESTLINGFAN

03-30-2003, 05:17 PM

They dont take any corporate funding or sponsorships

Kinda makes you think when the #1 rapper is white and the #1 golfer is black

Death Metal Moe

03-30-2003, 05:23 PM

Bush is hardly the definition of an American.

More proof that these Anit-War people are actually just Anti-Bush people in disguise. You will take every opportunity to cheap shot the president.

Please bring up the 2000 election now.

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samnyc

03-30-2003, 06:20 PM

The scarey thing is that enough people contribute to that station to keep it operating. Those wackjobs out there are your neighbors.

DJEvelEd

03-30-2003, 06:22 PM

WBAI, as radical as they are, always bring up good points and you can always hear some tidbit of news there that you normally won't hear on the right wing NY AM radio. I listen to both and kinda decide for myself.

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Death Metal Moe

03-30-2003, 06:23 PM

Those wackjobs are called New Jersey.

These assholes here vote Dem. in every fucking election. No matter how many times I go to the fire house and pull the Republican levers, it's all the same. If it's more than a local election, the Dem. asswipe wins.

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TheMojoPin

03-30-2003, 06:27 PM

Why do people get mad at their radio like it's alive? Or even care what it says to begin with? The people on those talk shows don't have real jobs, know no more than the rest of us, and aren't on TV because they're uglier than Reeshy after a night in a Taiwanese jail cell.

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HBox

03-30-2003, 06:33 PM

More proof that these Anit-War people are actually just Anti-Bush people in disguise. You will take every opportunity to cheap shot the president.

I wasn't making an anti-war argument. I didn't even mention it once. But then again, I guess you would have to read my whole post to find that out instead of picking out a quote and bashing it. I guess you couldn't do that.

I wasn't calling Bush a horrible American. I may have been a bit strong, but he is not what first comes to my mind when I think of an American. But then again, I'm "anti-Bush", thereby invalidating everything I say. My opinion is apparently only valid when I agree with everything he says.

HBox

03-30-2003, 06:38 PM

If it's more than a local election, the Dem. asswipe wins

Homer Simpson: "When will these people learn that democracy doesn't work!"

Death Metal Moe

03-30-2003, 06:41 PM

I know where you stand, and your little passing statements give away your true intentions.

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HBox

03-30-2003, 06:44 PM

I don't agree with most of Bush's policies, and I don't agree with his handling of the war. There. That doesn't mean I'd be against him no matter what he does in the future. It doesn't mean I would be against this war no matter what.

And excuse me for saying something bad about Bush. My only point is that the implication that if you don't support Bush you don't support America is not right.

You might not believe this, but I simply disagree with Bush a lot."I hate Bush" is not a statement that defines my political outlook.

Friday

03-30-2003, 06:50 PM

I think I dig Hbox. Not because of the words he said but because of his ability to present a point that is clear and concise and backed up with facts.

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03-30-2003, 08:13 PM

"More proof that these Anit-War people are actually just Anti-Bush people in disguise.
You will take every opportunity to cheap shot the president."

PAH-LEEEZE!

I can just as easily say that the Anti-Peace people are actually so partisan for Bush
that they refuse to say anything other than "Support The President Or You Are
UnAmerican!"

And what's this about taking every opportunity to take a "cheap shot" at the
President? Clinton has been out of office for 2 years and the GOP is still obsessed with
him!

Even though I am more of a centrist/libertarian who has voted for both the Dems and
the Repubs, in recent years I've felt pushed away by the GOP. Nevertheless, Bush is
my President too and I ACTUALLY WANT HIM TO SUCCEED!!!

Scary concept - I know - but the world is not BLACK AND WHITE.

This is more than I can say for those on the far right who, during the 8 years of the
Clinton administration, took many opportunites to tear down their President, in
exchange for personal gains.

[KOP]

JerryTaker

03-30-2003, 08:29 PM

More proof that these Anit-War people are actually just Anti-Bush people in disguise. You will take every opportunity to cheap shot the president.

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Se7en

03-30-2003, 08:33 PM

And stop with this Anti-American crap. Whether or not you support Bush has nothing to do with how American you are. Bush is hardly the definition of an American.

All your backpedaling aside, the thing I most took out of this initial post of yours was how fucking hypocritical it was.

Here you are complaining that others are questioning the character, if you will, of the anti-war crowd, and yet here you are passing judgment on Bush for not fitting into YOUR definition of what an American is.

So, to turn your own argument back on you: who are YOU to question the character of Bush? Whether or not he does what you think he should do has nothing to do with how American he is.

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ChickenHawk

03-30-2003, 09:26 PM

Anyone want proof that this huge movement of protestors isn't anti-war, but simply anti-Bush? I've said it once and I'll say it again:
Where were all the protestors when Bill Clinton launched countless military strikes against Iraq in 1998? Remember "Operation: Desert Fox" and the "Unholy Axis"? ...Probably not. Where were Susan Serandon and Michael Moore when we went into Somalia and wrecklessly killed civilians and ourselves? Where were the "anti-war" singers and Hollywood morons when Clinton bombed the shit out of the Serbs and destroyed every bridge along the Danube River to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo? Where were they? I don't remember hearing from them. Perhaps we were all too concerned with how many times the President got his dick sucked? I don't know, but I know this: You're being manipulated. Thinking for yourself does NOT mean choosing the opinion of the alternative media. That's LAZY. Just because your ideas are the minority, doesn't mean you are an individual! Wanna scream and moan about how "Bush is an asshole"? Were you saying the same about Billy Boy when he lied to the country or dealt passively with the first WTC bombing?
Now, I'm not gonna rule EVERYONE out and say that none of these new-age retro hippies are actually out there pushing for peace, but the fact of the matter is that about 10% of the people who are out there now were out there while Clinton was in office (and are actually educated). The other 90% are whining BABIES who never worked a day in their lives who want to go out, have a good time, blow off some steam, refuse to educate themselves, and make themselves feel "progressive" and useful so they can be like their pot-smoking, modern art, wannabeyoungforever, terrible parents.
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...And, oh yeah... no one's ever heard of WBAI because it's a fucking joke of a station and it sucks veiny cock.

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The Blowhard

03-30-2003, 10:23 PM

Why even care about WBAI? They would get better ratings if they did their shows yelling out of a window.

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FiveB247

03-30-2003, 10:29 PM

Hbox...you're original post in this thread regarding why Middle Easterners don't like the US is right on. Saying simply, they are jealous or something simple is absolutely silly and lacks serious thought.

I also love how everytime someone has something to say negatively or in opposite opinion from Bush or the US...Moe pulls out the 'anti-american' card. But then he somehow followed it up by saying Dems are trouble. You got to love one party hounds. Just blame everything on the other guys.

Anyways...Back to the thread....I've heard a lot about this radio station. I think it's a good way for public discussion, a different perspective as well getting a message across to the public. It's not as difficult as you make it seem....If you don't like it...turn the dial. Duh...

TooCute

03-31-2003, 05:00 AM

I don't know, but I know this: You're being manipulated. Thinking for yourself does NOT mean choosing the opinion of the alternative media. That's LAZY. Just because your ideas are the minority, doesn't mean you are an individual!

I've had it with being civil. You know what? Go fuck yourself. This is the most retarded statement I've read all day (admittedly I've only been up for about half an hour).

How dare you suggest that people who are against the war can't think for themselves? You do know that just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's wrong, right? Perhaps you've been too 'manipulated' to be able to reason out why some people might be against the war. Maybe you haven't bothered to even read posts by people who are against the war because they're so 'manipulated' they're worthless. I don't know. You tell me.

You want to know what I see? On this messageboard I see people who are for the war and I see people who are against the war. I see the people who are for the war articularting their reasons why they are for the war. I also see the people who are against the war articulating their reasons. I also see people who are for the war bitching about people who are against the war and making many posts that essentially say "Look at xxxxx! Another reason why all those anti-american hippies are wrong and should support the war!" - but xxxxx has rarely - if ever - been an issue that anyone who is against the war on this messageboard has actually stated as their reasoning for their stance.

the fact of the matter is that about 10% of the people who are out there now were out there while Clinton was in office (and are actually educated). The other 90% are whining BABIES who never worked a day in their lives who want to go out, have a good time, blow off some steam, refuse to educate themselves, and make themselves feel "progressive" and useful so they can be like their pot-smoking, modern art, wannabeyoungforever, terrible parents.

Fascinating... I'm terribly sorry, but you're a moron if you believe this.

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JerryTaker

03-31-2003, 05:47 AM

Where were all the protestors when Bill Clinton launched countless military strikes against Iraq in 1998? Remember "Operation: Desert Fox" and the "Unholy Axis"?

Wait, I'm confused, I thought all the Clinton bashers blamed him for 9/11 because he didn't do anything in the middle east, that he was too soft, and did nothing there while he got his dick sucked all day...

and I remember plenty of people questioning us being in Somalia and Kosovo, mostly because they didn't know what was going on because it wan't on TV all day... course those probably are the same people all Gung ho over anything Bush tells them...

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silera

03-31-2003, 07:30 AM

The driver had on what is obviously an anti american radio station on.

This is just getting retarded already.

Some of you people should re-read the constitution and grow the fuck up already.

Everyone that disagrees with you is not anti American.

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A.J.

03-31-2003, 07:37 AM

How can you rail against this station? It's got the Grandpa Al Lewis Show on Saturdays 12-1:30!

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ChickenHawk

03-31-2003, 01:48 PM

Wait, I'm confused, I thought all the Clinton bashers blamed him for 9/11 because he didn't do anything in the middle east, that he was too soft, and did nothing there while he got his dick sucked all day...
Clinton's attacks on Iraq were not related to the terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center, and in fact weren't even related to terrorism. We launched missile strikes against Saddam Hussein in retaliation to his army's assault on Kurdish areas in northern Iraq. ...Sorry man.

Also note that I am not stating these events in an effort to bash Clinton or criticize his policy, but rather to bash and criticize the ignorance and hypocrisy of a large amount of "anti-war" (anti-Bush) protestors.

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JerryTaker

03-31-2003, 02:03 PM

I never said that. I said the Clinton Bashers blamed his lack of agression in the Middle east for 9/11, I never said they had any regard for facts. Actually, I think that was my point...

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ChickenHawk

03-31-2003, 02:14 PM

I never said that. I said the Clinton Bashers blamed his lack of agression in the Middle east for 9/11, I never said they had any regard for facts. Actually, I think that was my point...
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JerryTaker

03-31-2003, 07:54 PM

whatever... vote republican...

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RocOutWithYACockOUT

03-31-2003, 08:40 PM

We are living a dangerous climate right now in it this country and not it's not from just terrorist b/c we're at war with Iraq. It seems like anyone who disagrees with something related to the war or President Bush is automatically labelled "Anti-American". I mean how can we fight for the ideals of democracy in Iraq and basically try to shut down the voice and ideas of anyone who has a different view of the war with Iraq in our own country. Being "Pro American" doesn't mean blindly support everything your country does. It can be from questioning. People are acting like our country is God and no one should question it.

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Se7en

04-01-2003, 12:46 PM

This is just getting retarded already.

Some of you people should re-read the constitution and grow the fuck up already.

Everyone that disagrees with you is not anti American.

Well, in his defense, I don't know what was said on that particular radio broadcast he heard, and I don't think you do either.

So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, it COULD have been anti-American, we just don't know.

I will say this though: if that station in question is doing nothing but shitting on the administration and the country and on "American imperialism" and is just spewing lots of inflammatory rhetoric, than what would you call it? It may not be "anti-American", but I would argue that it certainly isn't PRO-American.

I'm saying that at a basic, fundamental level, mind you, please don't respond with the token "They're exercising their freedom of speech, there's nothing more pro-American than that!" reply. If someone shits on the country all the time, or a LOT of the time, they may NOT be anti-American, and they may have the right to their opinion, but I would have a hard time believing their necessarily PRO-American.

Being "Pro American" doesn't mean blindly support everything your country does. It can be from questioning. People are acting like our country is God and no one should question it.

I personally don't believe that - that you can't question your country, your government, etc.

But it begs a question - if you do nothing BUT criticize, how long can you hide behind the "I complain because I care about this country" argument before it just sounds disingenious?

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FiveB247

04-01-2003, 03:43 PM

I personally don't believe that - that you can't question your country, your government, etc.

But it begs a question - if you do nothing BUT criticize, how long can you hide behind the "I complain because I care about this country" argument before it just sounds disingenious?

If a citizen leads a life of dissent towards his own country (in peaceful means), and questions issues, topics, policies and actions; chances are that person is more involved, a greater patriot and true to themselves then any citizen who just rests by and follows the officials without ever understanding, questioning and fully grasping issues, policies and actions. The type of citizen who doesn't ever question his/her government isn't following their duty as a citizen or a patriot. No one ever agrees 100% with every policy, action or issue. Overall, Americans don't act as patriots or good citizens due to their lack of interest, voting and use of their freedoms. It's all taken for granted and that's the problem with our nation.

And please don't throw out the military support as a sign of patriotism. Obviously, a soldier can love his country enough to fight, die or protect it....but we don't live in Sparta where men are breaded to fight and just take orders. That kind of person is a robot for programming....not a citizen or patriot.

If anyone seriously questions or thinks what I've said is 'anti-american'...I'd simply point you all in the direction of Nazi SS solidiers..who were just doing their job for their country.

silera

04-01-2003, 03:58 PM

I've listened to this station. It offers a different perspective on current events. I don't agree with it all the time, but it is an outlet for many Americans that aren't represented by the elected officials that are supposed to serve them.

The programs that I have heard, have provided many different opinions from respected historians, writers, journalists, and international representatives that offer their reasons for being against the war in Iraq, and in general their distaste for the current direction our government is headed.

I will say, that I have yet to hear from someone that supports the war or offers a contrary opinion, and that is why I also listen to other stations that provide a different perspective.

I understand what you mean about always hearing the negative se7en. However, it is only a drop into the ocean of propaganda like pro-war "reporting" that we're getting from both the network & cable news and popular radio stations.

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silera

04-01-2003, 04:06 PM

But it begs a question - if you do nothing BUT criticize, how long can you hide behind the "I complain because I care about this country" argument before it just sounds disingenious?

Actually, our country is really fucked up right now. We're going into more debt for whatever reasons, while people here are jobless, uninsured, uneducated and hungry.

It doesn't look too pretty for the immediate future and I'm pretty pissed off about it. I complain because I think there is a solution and our government, by that I mean our elected officials, has its head up its ass worrying about pandering to special interests and whether or not I smoke in a bar, or whether or not homos can fuck in their bedrooms.

I'd like to see every child get headstart services to get an equal footing from the beginning of their academic careers, and a public education system that truly gives all citizens a quality education, instead of having to worry about the consititutional implications of affirmative action to make up for the serious discrepancies between the races and the classes at the college level. I'd like a healthcare system that is truly blind when it comes to treating the ill. I'd like our government to tackle homeland security effectively instead of handing out lumpsums to states while our ports only inspect 2% of all incoming shipments, and none of our airlines are equipped with missile defense systems that could be installed at a cost of about 30 billion dollars.

Instead, my president has decided to forego diplomacy, and rush us into a war with seemingly no end, no pay off, and no world wide support.

There you go.

Deport me if you want.

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TooCute

04-01-2003, 06:53 PM

Deport me if you want.

But then who will I dance on the bar with?!

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silera

04-01-2003, 07:20 PM

But then who will I dance on the bar with?!

With the real Americans dammit.

If you dance with me, you're a traitor.

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TooCute

04-01-2003, 07:45 PM

I'm already a traitor. I am against the war.

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Death Metal Moe

04-01-2003, 07:51 PM

I'm too busy listening to 99.1, Christian radio anyway!

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04-01-2003, 08:05 PM

i told the cabbie to pull over and let me out by herald square

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Se7en

04-01-2003, 08:33 PM

Deport me if you want.

I tried, but Immigration just laughed at me. Then they mumbled something about your ass but I didn't quite understand the reference.

Look, *I* am not saying no one has a right to complain about the government. I'm not asking anyone to blindly follow their government. I will admit that in certain matters - this war, for example - I, personally, am the kind of person who is apt to give the government the benefit of the doubt more so than.....well, let's be blunt - more so than a lot of people who may not share my particular political affiliation.

BTW, that's not a slight, anyone.

I have to say, sometimes the negativity overwhelms me. I want to shake the person and say, is there ANYTHING you like about this country? (besides the free speech ;) ) I don't mind if someone disagrees with the war, or the president, or how the government is being run, etc.

But if there's a LOT of negativity, it bothers me. YOU stating that you're pissed off with how things being run doesn't upset me. I know where you're coming from, what your concerns are. When people come on this board *coughlondonandersJerryTakercough*, or people I come in contact with, start spouting bullshit like "Bush is turning this country into a Nazi-fascist regime!", it *bothers* me.

And it makes me wonder how many of the people who do nothing but complain are out there doing something to change things.

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Bergalad

04-01-2003, 09:05 PM

Wait...
If a citizen leads a life of dissent towards his own country

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chances are that person is more involved, a greater patriot

Someone who leads a life of dissent (meaning antagonistic in every sense of the word) is not a patriot, he's in the wrong country. If your whole life is devoted to bashing the country you live in (talking to you Five) then your life is pretty worthless. Move and find something productive to do. America is the best nation on Earth, period. Stop complaining so much.
but we don't live in Sparta where men are breaded to fight and just take orders

Breaded? Is that a new type of body armor? We've become an army of prawns.
If anyone seriously questions or thinks what I've said is 'anti-american'

No, just your typical attempts at justification for negative thinking. Don't try to glorify yourself and others who oppose the US at every turn as "true patriots". You aren't. Rather you are the spineless jelly that decry everything but provide no solutions. Yours is the Thought Police that says "don't question us!" during which all the while you question everyone else. You are what you rail against, yet are to indoctrinated to understand it.

TheMojoPin

04-01-2003, 10:55 PM

Can't I just think we got into this war for some really halfassed reasons, period? Do I HAVE to decide whether I "like" the country or president enough to have an opinion on ONE FRIGGIN' ISSUE? It's like we're passing gay-ass notes in middle school or something...

"Do you like USA George? Check 'yes' or 'no'!"

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JerryTaker

04-02-2003, 05:32 AM

When people come on this board *coughlondonandersJerryTakercough*, or people I come in contact with, start spouting bullshit like "Bush is turning this country into a Nazi-fascist regime!", it *bothers* me.

I just want to know why people actually beleive one party is better than the other. It's strange to me that everyone stopped questioning our government when Bush was elected, (yeah, Moe, sue me) but maybe it's just becasue they cancelled X-Files...

And it makes me wonder how many of the people who do nothing but complain are out there doing something to change things.

Yet you beat up on the protesters, wtf? Maybe it's just easier to follow the government blindly then even question them in the first place?

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FiveB247

04-02-2003, 06:14 AM

Someone who leads a life of dissent (meaning antagonistic in every sense of the word) is not a patriot, he's in the wrong country. If your whole life is devoted to bashing the country you live in (talking to you Five) then your life is pretty worthless. Move and find something productive to do. America is the best nation on Earth, period. Stop complaining so much.

I love my country and the freedoms it stands for. If I hold beliefs or policies that which conflict with my country...I'm being true to myself as well as being a good citizen. Being involved and informed is the job of a citizen in order to help further or at least maintain your place in society as a citizen. Participating in government issues(whether for or against) , policies and actions is a duty of a citizen. The type of citizen you describe who 'needs to find something better to do'....that's an uniformed, non-participant citizen who merely follows the lead of officials(which happens to be what this nation is filled with) instead of taking initiative and understanding of their government. Being a patriot or a good citizen doesn't mean to just go along with the actions or issues your government proclaims. If you don't think that is the case...many people should stop crying over the smoking ban....right? Just play follow the leader and don't think for yourself....that's your notion of a citizen.

No, just your typical attempts at justification for negative thinking. Don't try to glorify yourself and others who oppose the US at every turn as "true patriots". You aren't. Rather you are the spineless jelly that decry everything but provide no solutions. Yours is the Thought Police that says "don't question us!" during which all the while you question everyone else. You are what you rail against, yet are to indoctrinated to understand it.

I don't have negative thinking whatsoever. I'm a realist with idealistic values. I believe the ideals, beliefs and freedoms our nation proclaims should be for all....not just for some people. For example, Did anyone find it funny Powell claimed human rights abuses for China, Saudi Arabia and a few other nations? It's sad cause we support them, give aid to them as well as readily trade with them. Our country has no qualms dealing and doing business with these awful abusers, yet will speak harshly of them in the same way? Actions speak louder than words; we support and don't mind some human rights abuses so that we can profit from it. So where do you think intentions lie? Clearly not for human rights or the democratic beliefs and freedoms we hold so dear us.

Btw, I'm far from spineless, I hold my beliefs across the board and do hold solutions to problems. Just cause you wouldn't agree with them, doesn't make them incorrect. It's pretty apparent from your posts you are narrow minded and are unable or un-accepting of others beliefs and values. You lack perspective and understanding.

Ps...Had a typo in my last post, should be 'breeding'.