Why is Israel getting aid!!!!!!

[HAMMERHEAD]

Seriously, I need someone to explain this to me. I just heard on the newsthat President Bush is requesting financial aid for Jordan, Kuwait, and Israel for there part in the war. What the hell has Israel done so far to deserve even more money from us. They were talking about the possible threat of Israel getting attacked with Scud missles, that is why we set them up with Patriot missles, not only that but we give enough money as it is. This is why arabs hate us so much, because we are alway's giving to the Israeli's. Israel has had no part in this war as of now and we are looking to give them more money. WHY???

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[Knowledged_one]

Do you think that we have given out information on all the troops supporting us or how they are helping us (i.e. staging grounds or the like)
Not until four days after it happened were people told that there were Polish Elite on the ground in Iraq
there is other things to this war other then giving troops and vehicles
Turkey wanted an absurd amount of money to use their land thats why we arent.



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[FiveB247]

I think it's a great way to suggest to the rest of the Islamic world that we are anti-Muslim. Attacking Iraq, not allowing the UN to help us with reconstruction...giving aid to Israel. Sounds like we are knocking down those barriers that people hold against us. Atleast that's what the Muslim world will think.

We are creating more enemies then allies. The 'with us or against us' philosophy is skewed. We are giving solidarity to enemies and those who hold disregard for the US.

[FMJeff]

Why is Israel getting aid!!!!!!



Why not?

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[Doogie]

Why is Israel getting aid!!!!!!


Questions end in a question mark (?), not in an exclamation point (!)...just thought you might like to know that.

In answer to your statment, Isreal is a solid partner in the Mid-East who has shown any sort of consistency in support of our interests in the Mid-East. Is only right to give our friend something to defend themselves

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[Knowledged_one]

So FiveB does that mean all the other predominantly muslim countries that we give aid to doesnt count? And i dont think its we dont want the UN involved i think we dont want any countries reaping the benefits of our hard work after we give up life and assets to help build the country. As the saying goes: To the Victor Goes the Spoils

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[Shecky]

I'm not Jewish, nor do I play one on TV. I agree with FMJeff. Why not?
Why do people hate the Jews so much? I don't understand it. We always send support to the little nations that want our help and we've always helped Isreal and will continue long after this war is over.

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[Bestinshow]

So this is why the Arabs hate us. Why don`t we just bomb Israel to make the Arabs our friends? This is what they want? I mean after all, that proves we are anti muslim if we support Israel. Any clear thinking person knows that Israel is the arch enemy to the Muslims. Of course they are. They are trying to share their sand. Lets just exterminate them. I guess we have to start thinking things from the Arab perspective. Thats who you want to appeal to.
That is the sysytem of morals we want to model ourselves after. Who cares about Israel? Its just a bunch of Jews. Lets give money to Africa, Russia, Germany, Japan, Bosnia, most of the Arab countries. But not our staunchest ally who is always under attack by the very same foe we are fighting, the Islamic fundamentalists. I guess they have it coming to them. They are just a bunch of Jews. I don`t know, it sounds awfully familiar.

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[Legolas]

I don't understand the anti-jewish thing either, but I still wonder why we're giving them money. Is it because they're the only democracy in the middle east?

For that matter why do we give any country any money if we aren't getting something out of the deal??

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[Knowledged_one]

I say thank god for Isreal if not for Isreal the Iraqi's would have nuclear plants up and running if not for israel bombing them to oblivion.
BTW you know who was helping Iraq build said nuclear plants: France-very convenient

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[FiveB247]

Atleast that's what the Muslim world will think.

Uhhh....You guys left out the part where I said that.

[Bestinshow]

Its damn pathetic that so many people are more sympathetic to Arab terrorists than a country who`s civilians are always under attack.

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[HAMMERHEAD]

First of all, sorry but no I have no relation to Hitler. Second, I am not saying Israel hasn't been our best ally in the middle east. But and this is a Big But I do not see the sense in giving them anymore money then we already do. Seriously think about it, we give them millions every year to defend themselves and now we should give them more. I'm sorry but I don't think that is the right message we are sending to the arab-world. I am not a supporter of terrorism but I am a supporter of human rights. What we are doing in Iraq right now is terrific, liberating an oppressed people is alway's a good thing. But why does Israel alway's get thrown in the mix when money is getting divied up in the middle east. They get millions of dollars every year, they do not need anymore. I also feel that we should cut back on foreign aid and take care of the problems we have here instead of alway's playing the nice guy. I am gonna say this and alot of you won't like it, but it is my belief that this country is run by Jews and they have the politicans in there pocket. Now some of you have suggested that I am an Anti-Semite that is not the case I am a realist I see things in black & white and this my friends in my opinion is not right.

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[FMJeff]

As far as the U.S. is concerned, Israel is an extension of this country, a US presence in the middle east. Our weaponry, our money, our system of government, our military support...it sends a message to all of our enemies...we're here, don't fuck with us...

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Who gets mo' love...Israel or Puerto Rico?

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Easy...Puerto Rico. Israel doesn't get a parade through Manhattan.

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[TheMojoPin]

Ah, but do we have plans to start practice of our big guns and bombs on a "cleared" part of Israel? Hmmmmmm...

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[Meatball]

Why is Israel getting aid!!!!!...

probably because of those ayrab hookers that dont get tested and use dirty needles, lack of education, disregard for diseas...oh wait

you said aid not aids..nevermind.

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[Bestinshow]

I am gonna say this and alot of you won't like it, but it is my belief that this country is run by Jews and they have the politicans in there pocket. Now some of you have suggested that I am an Anti-Semite that is not the case I am a realist I see things in black & white
Really, many people in Nazi Germany felt the same way. What politicians do the jews have in their pocket. Name one. And what is
your source. And how by backing a country that needs military aid does this send a message to the Muslims. Do we have to clear it
with them first? Now we have to clear policy with your friends the Arabs? It is non of their business who we aid and how much. If they stopped blowing up buses and markets and catering halls, we wouldn`t have to.
How the hell do you know how much is enough support? Are you privy to this information. I see no facts in your post other than where your alliances lie. Tell me,what do we spend in Israel vs. the rest of the middle East. Do you even know? And do you think we should be giving more money to our enemies than one of our allies? The Jews have the politicians in their pockets. I can`t believe people canstill say that in 2003 and you had the balls to print that hateful crap on this board. I knew I had you pegged.

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[FiveB247]

I am gonna say this and alot of you won't like it, but it is my belief that this country is run by Jews and they have the politicans in there pocket. Now some of you have suggested that I am an Anti-Semite that is not the case I am a realist I see things in black & white

You're funny....but not in a good way.

[HAMMERHEAD]

Thank You Five B, Listen Best in Show I actually do have the facts, do you?

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[silera]

Now some of you have suggested that I am an Anti-Semite that is not the case I am a realist I see things in black & white and this my friends in my opinion is not right.


Any realist would know that no issues are clearly black and white.

Unfortunately, most people state their opinions as fact, because they've only read the facts that support their opinions.



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[nyfan53`]

The reason we are giving aid is because the war will not only be won with brute force, but also intelligence. Israel has constantly given the U.S. intelligence during the war to help save american lives. As well the israeli economy is sufferint terribley because of the constant arab terror attacks. And to think that jews run the country sounds like an idea from the protocols of the elder of zion

[Bestinshow]

hammerhead, The only facts you show me is that you should be writing in crayon. You will never be able to back up anything else.

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[El Mudo]

I still don't understand exactly why Muslims and Jews hate each other....theyre basically the same religon

-One God
-One Holy Book
-Have their own language
-Both say if you aren't a jew or a muslim you are evil and should die immediately..

it boggles the mind

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[HordeKing1]

Jews have no problem with other religions and unlike muslims and some branches of christianity believe that rightous people of any faith go to "heaven."

The Muslims want every Jew and Christian and non Muslim dead.

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[FMJeff]

I still don't understand exactly why Muslims and Jews hate each other....theyre basically the same religon

-One God
-One Holy Book
-Have their own language
-Both say if you aren't a jew or a muslim you are evil and should die immediately..

it boggles the mind



Are you even Jewish? Islam is an inherently violent religion. It is a religion that rewards suicide and demands holy wars in the the imposition of its principles on those who don't follow Islam. Your comparisons are grossly over-simplified.

Horde King is correct. Judaiism is a peaceful religion, and because of that, the Jewish people have suffered and died at the hands of the Christians and the Muslims for centuries. You show me one Jew who goes door to door with fliers begging people to join Judaiism. You show me one Rabbai who sells his faith merchandise on television in an effort to line his pocket in the name of the Lord. Show me rabbai's who sexually abuse thier own congregation. Show me rabbais who reward and honor those who kill others by killing themselves. Show me rabbais who maim and torture the followers of other religions in an effort to force conversion. (See Spanish Inquisition.)

We need a homeland. Everyone does. Israel is our homeland. The Palestinians do not want us there. They don't want to share it. Co-existence is impossible for true followers of Islam. They have zero tolerance for infidels. It also happens to be a strategically and economically important area in the Middle East, even though its about the size of New Jersey.

The Israeli government cannot protect its people without US support. What would you have them do, Hammerhead? Not support them, allow the countyr to run out of resources and eventually fall victim to invasion? Genocide?


Hey...we're Jewish...I guess we're used to it by now. Go ahead, take away the one place we can call our own.



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[LiquidCourage]

Yeah, Arabs are the most intolerant people in the world.

[curtoid]

Strip away all of the hooey man has put on them and you realize that Judaiism = Islam
= Christianity = THE SAME FUCKING RELIGION! It's all about ONE GOD and a shared
history, just with different names, practices, deviations, etc. It's absurd to ignore
commonalities

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[TheMojoPin]

I am gonna say this and alot of you won't like it, but it is my belief that this country is run by Jews and they have the politicans in there pocket.

"And that is why we go to them for help in this new business venture..."

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Pure insanity. Again, it's always easiest to pick on the "little guy"...like Jeff and HK said, it's one of THE most peaceful religions on the planet...and I think there's definitely a notion of, "let's fuck with THEM since they won't fight back"...it's like punishing them for their virtues...

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[Se7en]

Ah, another "The Jews are running everything" conspirator.

Islam is an inherently violent religion. It is a religion that rewards suicide and demands holy wars in the the imposition of its principles on those who don't follow Islam.

Let's not forget the rabid misogyny either.

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[FMJeff]

Let's not forget the rabid misogyny either.


There's no progressive moment to modernize the religion either. They are complacent and continue to allow this medieval abuse of women.


Strip away all of the hooey man has put on them and you realize that Judaiism = Islam
= Christianity = THE SAME FUCKING RELIGION!
It's all about ONE GOD and a shared
history, just with different names, practices, deviations, etc. It's absurd to ignore
commonalities


By that arguement all religions are the same. All religions worship intangible higher powers, have customs, share history. Religion is a product of man's inability to deal with the world around him. Of course there will be patterns in their evolution. We're all on the same planet.

That being said, the differences are the reason why some people subscribe to different religions or go even further and join sub-divisions WITHIN the same religion. The differences are EVERYTHING.




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[Recyclerz]

People,

We're getting crazy with the emotional generalizations again.

Judaiism is a peaceful religion

Have you read the Bible? The Philistines, Assyrians, et al. may beg to differ. :-)

Show me rabbai's who sexually abuse thier own congregation.

Unfortunately, you can look here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12421-2003Feb1.html

or here

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010824/usp13a.shtml

Show me rabbais who reward and honor those who kill others by killing themselves.

Is Samson now considered a bad guy in Hebrew school?


Hopefully, it's obvious that I'm only showing what can happen when someone cherry picks facts and constructs a world view from them.

Sure, it is true that the Jews have been one of the most fucked over peoples ever on this planet. And it is also true that Israel is one of the US closest allies and we should be supporting and defending it from barbaric attacks on its civilians as well as its right to exist, safely and securely. But the demographics in the area are against it remaining a democracy and a Jewish state unless they find a way to live with their neighbors. Yitzhak Rabin knew that, Barak knows that and I think most Israelis know that (the ones I know do). Once Arafat takes a long -overdue dirt nap, hopefully the Palestinians can throw up a Gorbachev clone that isn't afraid to make a deal and is strong enough to kill the extremists and terrorists on his side of the fence. Jiz's quote from Golda Meir is true and will happen, hopefully sooner rather than later.

As for Muslims generally, I don't like that way too many use Islam as a device to excuse deviant, inhuman behavior and to call for, and participate in, the death of innocents. Nevertheless, almost a billion people subscribe to the belief system and it is one of the world's great religions, with a variety of the flavors, from the bestial to the sublime. The West (Israel included) can choose to react to them in several ways:
1. Kill them all (as some on this board have advocated);

2. Ignore them and pretend they don't exist;

3. Find a way to co-exist and deal with them.

I suggest No. 3.





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[curtoid]

"By that arguement all religions are the same. All religions worship intangible higher
powers, have customs, share history. Religion is a product of man's inability to deal
with the world around him. Of course there will be patterns in their evolution. We're all
on the same planet. "

You are right that I didn't make the argument very well to back up the statement; I
don't agree that all reglions are the same, however. Those are the only three, of the
main ones, that are mono-Theocracy.

There is a definitate connection running through Judaiism, Islam and Christianity. It is
almost like a family tree, with Islam and Judaiism being brothers ("Sons of Abraham")
and Christianity being sprung from Judaiism, like a child (with a dash of Paganism).

[KOP]

[FMJeff]

There is a definitate connection running through Judaiism, Islam and Christianity. It is
almost like a family tree, with Islam and Judaiism being brothers ("Sons of Abraham")
and Christianity being sprung from Judaiism, like a child (with a dash of Paganism).


I stilll don't understand what your point is and how it relates to the topic at hand. Nobody is debating there are similarities.

Are you suggesting the Jewish people don't really deserve a homeland because thier religion is...well, according to you, virtually indescriminable from other religions?

I mean, what's your point?

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One factor that might be causing some of the trouble between some muslims and jews is that order by Muhammed to "Kill every Jew that comes under your power"
Then there's that other one where, speaking of muslims , he said "The vilest of all creatures is the one who will not fight for Allah", or something like that.

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[HAMMERHEAD]

I didn't mean to start a religion debate on which religion is the best, I just didn't agree with Israel getting anymore aid. It has nothing to do with religion's or ethnicity.

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[JiZ]

It is my opinion that Israel is one of the most beautiful countries in the world. I also think its the best one too.

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[FMJeff]

It has nothing to do with religion's or ethnicity.



has everything to do with it

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[high fly]

I like the fact that Israel is getting laid.

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[Donnielimes]

I'll name three Rangel,Schumer,andMs.Clinton nee RodomSKI* but fuck it talk about a hot potato!!! we have made a committment to Israel and they are double dealing bastards. Read the biograghy of a Mossad operative I forget the title but it will lay it out for you pretty clearly. they don't have U.S. interests at the forefront of thier policies and why should they? they are a democracy though and that is a' good thing' as M.Stewart would say. I say take off the gloves and let em all duke it out and we just go with whoever wins what do I care I'm a coincidental catholic.

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[high fly]

SHOCKER!!!!
Israelis put their own interests ahead of the US! Where's the logic in that? How dare they?

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[GrimSanity]

we back israel because they stole the land from the Palestinians. thats why they kill themselves to kill jews. if someone stole your land wouldn't you do everything in your power to get it back. so thats what there doing. i have many Palestinian friends and people i talk to and it is there land and israel stole it. we keep there goverment going to keep the muslem's down and not let them get to power. i'm completely unreligous so don't think i'm siding with muslems but still i find it F'ed up that the muslems where thrown into poverty and the jew live it up.

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[high fly]

They didn't steal it, it was given to them.
When it came time to divide up the Ottoman empire, it was decided to give the Jews a teeny tiny corner it.
The arabs got 99.8% of it and they're still bitching that they somehow got ripped off.
I mean, rilly!

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I would like to see the grand fabled tradition and history of the Palestianian people.... but for some reason, I fear that their history will only cover the from the early 20th century to now....

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[HBox]

The arabs got 99.8% of it and they're still bitching that they somehow got ripped off.


If you lived on that .2% of land and had to leave your home, how would you feel? I really wish they both could live there, but I also wish I could grow wings and fly. I figure I'll get my wings first.

[CaptClown]

1. Every country operates with their own best interests in mind.

2. We are giving Israel more aid because we want them to stay out of this war. We don't want to inflame the Arab Muslims anymore than necessary. No need to fight the rest of the Arabs when we just want to just a few.

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[HordeKing1]

Some of the most antisemetic comments ever have been made in this thread.

I am gonna say this and alot of you won't like it, but it is my belief that this country is run by Jews and they have the politicans in there pocket. Now some of you have suggested that I am an Anti-Semite that is not the case I am a realist I see things in black & white

You're not a realist, you're an antisemitic ass whose ignorance speaks volumes.

Fool

The Jews control America? Then why has the US not attacked Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and others? Why have Jews in America been a persecuted minority since fleeing here? Why are there more anti-semetic events in this country and around the world now than since WWII?


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