If Bush Backed Out?

[FUNKMAN]

What do you feel the consensus would be if George W just decided to withdraw all of our troops and allow the Inspections to continue.

Would he be looked at as a coward or a brave man?

My opinion:

> withdraw our forces - this will save us a hell of alot of money. Use that money and forces and invest it in homeland security and towards our own infrastructure
And alot of innocent lives are saved
> increase the number of Inspection teams to more than one. This will speed up the process. Hopefully all countries that make up the Council can agree to "no war" but an increase in Inspector teams comprised of scientist from each country that is part of the Council
> Then they will eventually find these "weapons of mass destruction" and justify enough Political pressure to get Saddam to step down.

Too Easy?

What do you think?




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[TheMojoPin]

He'd be an idiot to pull ALL of the troops out of the region. Remember, they can be used for other things besides just throwing them en masse at Iraq.

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[FiveB247]

I'd be shocked if this didn't end with invasion and war. The way the White House has handled it thus far points to nothingless of regime change and war (regardless of the international community's opinion or not). If he backed down now without some unfounded resolve and complete help from Saddam himself....it would make the US look as if we are walking away with our tail between our legs. The US has pushed this issue so far and hard...nothing less would be considered worthy.

[Cannon]

> withdraw our forces - this will save us a hell of alot of money. Use that money and forces and invest it in homeland security and towards our own infrastructure
And alot of innocent lives are saved

The money spent in a war today is a bargain compared to the cost of lives and a cleanup of the effects of an attack by someone that may get their hands on some of that "missing" Anthrax and VX that Iraq doesnt seem to know what they did with it.


> increase the number of Inspection teams to more than one. This will speed up the process. Hopefully all countries that make up the Council can agree to "no war" but an increase in Inspector teams comprised of scientist from each country that is part of the Council

How about we get inspectors that dont bury the fact that Iraq still after 4 months since a UN resolution passed to disarm and 12 years of telling Iraq to disarm, still hasn't come clean on where the items we KNOW they have are?

or How about the fact that Blix & Co buried in the UN report the fact that Iraq has a Drone plane ( which is completely illegal) that has the capacity to spray those very same "missing" chemicals?

Inspections only work if the inspectors do their jobs and report the facts as they are, and not play political games.

> Then they will eventually find these "weapons of mass destruction" and justify enough Political pressure to get Saddam to step down.

Saddam will never step down while he is alive. this is a fact. He has spit on the UN for 12 years, he's playing games with them now, knowing that His buddy Jaques Chirac will pressure the UN. It's time for the BS to stop, and the only way to do that is by force.

If Iraq was truly disarming, they would do so without the games.

Only thing that will stop a war is Saddam being killed by his own people.

Only question remains is if we go to war with the full support of the UNSC or if we go it with the 20 or so countries that have pledged support.

[Teenweek]

I read an article this weekend about this. Right now it would cost MORE to pull out than go through with it. We will look like cowards in front of the world. Bush will be as big a joke as Clinton (Mogadishu)in regards to dealing with International conflict. Bush is dying to show the world they are wrong about Saddam and that the security council of the un is nothing but a joke.

There is no way in hell that we pull out. The only possible way is if we find osama bin laden before the 17th. We are going to war, and soon because of iraq's hot summers and blinding sandstorms, the only question is when.

Bush's presidency is depending on the war on terrorism. He is putting his neck on the line and he knows it. We need to end this war quick, with little casualties and to find Saddam's stash of weapons.

[CaptClown]

withdraw our forces - this will save us a hell of alot of money. Use that money and forces and invest it in homeland security and towards our own infrastructure
And alot of innocent lives are saved

The others have quite eloquently stated the various arguements for not pulling US troops out.


> increase the number of Inspection teams to more than one. This will speed up the process. Hopefully all countries that make up the Council can agree to "no war" but an increase in Inspector teams comprised of scientist from each country that is part of the Council

Five minutes after the US withdraws you can expect a boot in the backside for the UN inspectors by the Iraqi regime.

> Then they will eventually find these "weapons of mass destruction" and justify enough Political pressure to get Saddam to step down.

They didn't find anything in the time they were there the first time. They are finding dribs and drabs of info now, because of the threat of US invasion.

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[FUNKMAN]

Alright, I see there are not too many in favor of pulling out...

So what are our "clear" objectives when going into war?

> find the "weapons of mass destruction" ourselves and destroy them. Or will we just bomb where we think they are and let the fallout land wherever it lands?

> Murder Saddam or make him run, then what?

I am just curious, I'm not seeing the full picture here.

Thanks for the input!

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[mason]

even though i do not agree with bush's tactics concerning saddam and iraq, if he pulls out now he will look like a fool. he would lose what ever little credibility he has left with many people in this country and abroad.

if, on the off chance that he does change his mind, the only way he could save "face" would be to work the country's economy and homeland secruity. however, i doubt he will pull the troops out. we will probably go to war.

as an aside, are there any other student on the board? if so, are student groups on your campuses planing protests or walkouts if the war starts?

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[FUNKMAN]

if he pulls out now he will look like a fool.


i'm not sure but it seems that there are more people and Council members who are "against" going to war than there are for it.

This makes me think he would be held in higher regard...

Then they can all talk about the evidence, making the inspections more efficient, and if and when they find these hidden weapons, we have proved to the World our cause was just. This may provide enough world opinion to get Sadaam to step down or be forced out.



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[Stalker Catty]

i'm not sure but it seems that there are more people and Council members who are "against" going to war than there are for it.

This makes me think he would be held in higher regard...

Your confusing "supporting Iraq" with "against U.S.A." Many of the countries against the war, France inparticular, wouldn't care if Saddam flat out said, "Yeah, I got W.M.A.'s, and I'm giving them out to every fifth caller to 1-800-HEZBOLAH." It's an anti-American sentiment, the fear of letting the U.S., the last standing superpower, have police power over the rest of the world. To them, it has nothing to do with whether or not Saddam supports terrorists, and everything to do with knocking us down a peg.

Pulling out makes Bush look like a hotheaded cowboy, and would embolden not only Iraq, but far more dangerous countries like North Korea (led by dictator justs as insane as Saddam) and Iran (recently revealed to be ahead of the all in the nuke race, and would immediately send said bomb first class to wipe out Isreal, no matter the consequence.)

No matter your opinions on the war, it's going to happen. We're there, we have a pants down, there is no going back. We're only stalling because we would prefer no to completely invalidate the U.N., which would be a bad thing (if the U.N. is proven beyond a doubt to be powerless, then we really do have to police the world.)

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[FiveB247]

This is way off topic...but I heard a relevant fact I thought should be brought up for all the Pro-Bush, true Americans on this board. How come no one seems to mention the fact that Bush basically was a draft dodger in the same realm as Bill Clinton (who was scrutinized over this item)? Any comments?

[Freebird]

If Bush withdrew all the troops, many opposing the war the world over would make new signs accusing Bush of siding with a brutal dictator and allowing him to continue murder and oppression in Iraq.

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[FUNKMAN]

No matter your opinions on the war, it's going to happen. We're there, we have a pants down, there is no going back


PRIDE can be a dangerous thing... Didn't we learn anything from Vietnam, what did we accomplish there?

Bush basically was a draft dodger in the same realm as Bill Clinton (who was scrutinized over this item)? Any comments?


rather not get into this, there were too many...
with Vietnam, i don't blame them...


new signs accusing Bush of siding with a brutal dictator and allowing him to continue murder and oppression in Iraq.


those people would be what you would call IDIOTS!



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[A.J.]

How come no one seems to mention the fact that Bush basically was a draft dodger in the same realm as Bill Clinton (who was scrutinized over this item)?


Because it wasn't exactly the same thing. Bush didn't write a letter saying how much he "loathed the military" liked Clinton did. Clinton avoided any kind of military service altogether. Bush became an F-104 pilot and served in the Texas Air National Guard: pretty impressive for such an "idiot."

Let's face it: if most of us could find a way to get out going to Vietnam, we'd have probably taken it. However, Bush at least did reserve duty. Clinton went to Oxford.

Didn't we learn anything from Vietnam


Yes -- stay out of Vietnam.

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[FiveB247]

Many of you can be so, so hypocritical. I bet everyone of you bashed Clinton at the time for being un-patriotic and a draft dodger. This is also the same group of people who calls to arms for invasion and war under their great leader Bush.....but the minute you mention him joining the reserves (an obvious way to get around Vietnam)..people make excuses or pass it off.

It is items like these that make our society ignorant and hypocritical. Clinton got reamed by the press for smoking pot and dodging the draft. Republicans loathed him for such. Nowadays you have an-ex alcoholic who also side stepped Vietnam and you're going to let it slide? The media let's it slide, the people let it slide? Just ridiculous.

[TheMojoPin]

Because it's not the same. I really don't like Bush at all, but he actually did serve to a degree. Of course he used his family "connections". But he at least didn't run and practically break the law with his wranglings like Clinton did.

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[FiveB247]

If you asked a Vietnam Veteran, what do you think their response would be? Probably disgust for Clinton and distaste for bush? If you ask me, it's comparing murder to rape...one's is not that much better then the other. Both are bad and dishonorable.

If you asked a Republican, and then a Democrat, what do you think their response would be? Probably pointing the fingers at each other, neglecting their own party representative's faults.

That's hypocrisy.

[TheMojoPin]

Alright, so no president we've had in 10 years has been fit to make a millitary decision of any sort. Is that what you want to be declared?

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[FiveB247]

I wouldn't say anything of the sorts....but if you're going to call one names and ridicule him...don't point out one person, when the other is just as equally guilty.