Why are celebrates mostly liberal?

[furie]

Ok fine, Arnold Schwarzenegger and MTV VJ Kennedy are republicans, but what about the rest of them? And it's not to say that the majority of actors, musicians, and misc are democrats, they tend to be far left liberals. Just wondering why? Is it that the industry is liberal and it just molds them that way, or do they just start that way?

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[Johnathan H Christ]

liberal i dont know....probably because they dont really work for a living and think that no one else should have to either. but as far as the wae goes.. very few of them live in NY and i would say that nearly none of them live in DC. so they didnt get to see the bodies falling from the buildings or smell the horrible smell that hung over manhattan. they sat in their malibou beach barbie homes and watched it on TV wondering the whole time if they might get the chance to play the role of one of the people who was involed. 9-11 just wasnt real to them, but for some reason dropping bombs anywhere else is wrong? fuck em. fuckem right in the ear

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[Butters]

because it is politically correct and they don't want to ruin their reputation God forbid they speak what's on their minds or they could just be jackasses

Come on how many times in your life can you say...hehe ^.^

I don't want to do anything illegal but I would kill someone in front of their own moma for a ten-speed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For once id love to hear about a celebrity who likes their beer cold, their cars to be gas guzzlers and their steak to be medium rare.

Kinda makes you think when the #1 rapper is white and the #1 golfer is black

[TheMojoPin]

Why are celebrates

Wow.

But as for the question, I think it's such an incestuous business that so many of the people just end up almost automatically agreeing on the same things. How else can you explain how so many of them are into Scientology?

I'll bet there are a lot more "conservative" celebrities than we think, but they probably realize they'd be semi-blacklisted by the supposedly "liberal" majority in Hollywood. That's the main thing that ticks me off about these modern day, halfassed "liberals"...most are willing to squelch OTHER people's free speech just so their own argument or cause isn't challenged or shouted down. Can anyone say "hypocrite"?

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[Teenweek]

You forgot Kid Rock who spoke out against musicians having a political agenda and Bruce Willis who wanted to join the armed services but was too old who are pro war and pro usa and not assholes like Martin Sheen, madonna, Susan Sarondon, Barbara Streisand to name a few.

[furie]

Why are celebrates


Jesus, I didn't even catch that. I guess i should check what the spell check is changing the word to before i hit ok :)

How else can you explain how so many of them are into Scientology?

good point.

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[DarkHippie]

I think its more that those with a liberal bent growing up are often attracted to the more "artsy" fields. the theater, art, and english depts of most colleges have a liberal bent. I believe that they are not "turned" liberal, but rather group together into places where they feel comfortable.

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[Tall_James]

OK, I know he's not really relevant in today's music scene, but he makes some pretty good points in....

"Charlie Daniels Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch"

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[DarkHippie]

Charlie Daniels should talk. He used to be one of those liberals he calls so disgusting and useless.

and playing "dixie" (anyone remember the civil war?) in the background really strips the merit behind his words.

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[The Jays]

You forgot Kid Rock who spoke out against musicians having a political agenda


... It's a good thing he put her picture away...

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[TheMojoPin]

who are pro war and pro usa and not assholes

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[Drudge Jr.]

i like to stay out of these things because i fuond out am an asshole, but i think many of you may be confusing liberals for democrats. democrats suck, just like republicans do but i think you'll find there are many liberals who are very intelligent...

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[TheMojoPin]

Drudge is right. Most of these celebrity airheads are tied and enslaved to the Democratic party. Actual "liberal" thinking and ideals would make their gold-plated heads explode.

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[ADF]

Why are celebrates mostly liberal?


Celebrates good times, come on!

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Also, I think you meant "Why are most celebrities liberal"?

I think you're using anecdotal evidence to form your hypothesis. You probably only notice the celebrities who make their politics known. I bet if you took a survey of a larger portion of celebrities, you'd find that their politics would roughly equate to the politics of average citizens with maybe a slight leaning toward liberalism.

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[Def Dave in SC]

Its because these people a)dont work for a living, and they donht think anyine else should b) (along with a.) dont know the value of hard work, therefore they dont appreciate the fact that money must be earned, and c)have the rich white man's remorse. they know they have lots of money they havent earned and they feelr bad about that.

i really hope i havent contradicted myself, but i think i might have

There's so much drama in the D. of C., its kinda hard bein D.A.V.I.D.

[TheMojoPin]

While I agree mostly that acting isn't really all THAT strenuous, as an amateur filmmaker who's worked on his share of films (Yes, REAL movies, dammit), the guys behind the scenes work their balls off to get these things made. It's a "real" job and then some. I have had to play writer, director, camerman, sound guy, electrician, carpenter, lighting rigs and tech...it's not easy work at all. Putting a film together, even a 15 minute short, will equal a harder two weeks work than I usually do in a few months at my "real" job.

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[TheMojoPin]

a)dont work for a living, and they donht think anyine else should b) (along with a.) dont know the value of hard work, therefore they dont appreciate the fact that money must be earned

While I agree that a lot of them end up pretty jaded and out of touch once the millions start rolling in for a few years, most actors will tell you that they had to work their asses off doing shitty jobs for years and years before they finally "broke in." I mean, unless you're born into a "Hollywood" family, you gotta go through the motions and take a lot of crappy jobs to support yourself before you can "make it."

The whole argument is pretty stupid to begin with. These people can only know as much as anyone on the board. They only have access to the same books, websites, newspapers, news channels and media outlets that the rest of us do. It would be like if I suddenly randomly decided that bankers or landscapers or gas station clerks or librarians have no business commenting on world affairs "because they're fucking morons and don't know what it's like to have a 'real' job." How are these people any more or less "smart" then the rest of us?



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[Se7en]

My personal theory: arrogance.

The level of arrogance of the celebrity is somewhat proportional to just how annoyingly liberal they are. Case in point: Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, etc.

I'll bet there are a lot more "conservative" celebrities than we think, but they probably realize they'd be semi-blacklisted by the supposedly "liberal" majority in Hollywood. That's the main thing that ticks me off about these modern day, halfassed "liberals"...most are willing to squelch OTHER people's free speech just so their own argument or cause isn't challenged or shouted down. Can anyone say "hypocrite"?

The really amusing thing is that it seems as if the liberals are tensing to claim that THEY are being black-listed for being anti-war. SAG has put out an announcement warning people not to blacklist. This comes after Martin Sheen claims someone at NBC made it known that Martin's recent anti-war activities made him "uncomfortable."

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[ADF]

The level of arrogance of the celebrity is somewhat proportional to just how annoyingly liberal they are. Case in point: Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, etc.


Extreme conservatism is equally annoying. Hey, the Republicans had Sonny Bono, so at least they have their respectability intact.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

Bruce Willis who wanted to join the armed services but was too old


i don't quite believe that. it's easy to say you'd die for the country. but i don't know, maybe he might, it just seems like a good pr move.....

[LiquidCourage]

Bruce Willis who wanted to join the armed services but was too old

Bruce Willis is a proud conservative, same with Arnold Schwartzenneger, Sylvester Stallone, James Woods, Kelsey Grammar, and of course Charlton Heston and ole Ronny R.

I know there's a bunch more, but I can't think of them right now.

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You said celebrities.

What about notable republican actors, such as Ronald Regan, Sonny Bono, and Charlton Heston. Perhaps it's simply the fact that those with more liberal ideas are more likely to protest, and therefore liberal celebrities make their views better known.


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[ChickenHawk]

They're not. It just seems that way cuz the only ones
who makes noise and think we care about their political
views are the liberal ones.


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[LiquidCourage]

Ted Nugent said it well.
Most of these people are surrounded by "Yes-men".
They're completely out of touch with reality.

Of course they're gonna be liberals!

[El Mudo]

I believe Bo Derek is a conservative too...

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[LiquidCourage]

Oh yeah, and Robert DeNiro.

[GaryWyze]

<font color=purple>It really isn't all that complicated.

For one, guilt probably plays a part. Secondly, everybody wants to seem enlightened and more evolved. And thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, being enlightened and more evolved is made much easier when you live in gated houses, are financially set for life, and routinely have the rules bent in your favor.

Put Susan Sarandon in Red Hook for a few weeks, absent her celebrity, and let's see just how liberal she really is.

Or better yet, would she be such a pacifist if some ghetto rat raped her as Saddam has is own people? Would she urge the police to show restraint and understanding? Or label the them war mongers for aggressively pursuing the thug?

Celebrities don't live in the real world, they have very little business commenting on it.

[TheMojoPin]

Or better yet, would she be such a pacifist if some ghetto rat raped her

What th-? Being pro-war means you've been...sexually assaulted by someone from the 'hood? Well, alright then...

Would she urge the police to show restraint and understanding?

You're mixing issues. There's the issue of going to war with Iraq...and there's the issue of certain police officers abusing their power and authority and using excessive force. You're trying to imply that she views all of the issues she addesses and protests the same, which doesn't work. She's never called a police officer a "warmonger". It's two seperate issues.

And what about the rest of us that DON'T have a lot of money and have "real" jobs and live in the "real" world that support certain aspects of what she's saying? I don't agree with a lot of her accusations and tactics, but in the end, yes, I don't think a fullscale invasion of Iraq is the only option right now, and yes, I think there are certain people who simply should not be cops who are and who cause a lot of pain and death because they're unfit to be so. How am I as "out of touch" as she is? I've lived in plenty of shitty neighborhoods. Hell, I'm in one right now. Does that give me the necessary "cred"? I mean, granted, I haven't been plowed in the ass by a "ghetto rat", but I'll keep trying...

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[GaryWyze]

<font color=purple>You're completely missing my metaphor. I'm drawing an analogy between the cops and the U.S.A., i.e. we're policing Saddam.

I thought I made that clear when I compared her rape to the rape of Iraq.

I have no idea what her views are as far as police brutality is concerned.

And what about the rest of us that DON'T have a lot of money and have "real" jobs and live in the "real" world that support certain aspects of what she's saying?


I think those of us who live in the real world, have a better understanding of the difference between idealistic theories and real world realities. I am by no means a consevative, and I don't doubt that she and I could find some common ground on several issues. The difference is, when you and I speak up in favor of welfare reform and higher taxes so as to support social programs, we have to live with the consequences of our convictions. Celebrities don't!

[TheMojoPin]

The difference is, when you and I speak up in favor of welfare reform and higher taxes so as to support social programs, we have to live with the consequences of our convictions. Celebrities don't!

Good point.

And just to make things even more confusing, the majority of conservative pundits could probably be classified as "wealthy" or "well off" or even "rich", but it's not held against them. Nobody makes the argument that essentially says, "oh, rich conservatives are SO out of touch with the REAL conservative movement"...

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[El Mudo]

The difference is, when you and I speak up in favor of welfare reform and higher taxes so as to support social programs


The last thing you would ever want to do is give a politician more money. As an example, North Carolina is using their tobacco settlement money to help tobacco farmers...Higher taxes only mean more burdens on those of us that work, and besides, if you make less than 30 g's you arent paying taxes anyway...

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[JerryTaker]

so wait, the overwhelming majority in this thread seem to think that liberals...

...are rich
...are out of touch with reality
...saw 9/11 as a "PR opportunity"
...Don't work for a living

what the holy fuck are you all smoking?

The propoganda machine really just ate its way into all of your brains, didn't it? Can I try to refresh some of your memories, here?

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not enough? how about

*** Pat Buchanon ***

Are these your heroes? Are these people's thinking what's <I>right</I> for this country?

This constant bashing is not good, everyone leaning to <I>either</I> side is dangerous...

Left = Stalin Right = Hitler

goddamn.. welcome to the Republican Nationalist party, please check your freedoms at the door....

Oh and by the way, I agree with Hippie, they're probably mostly liberals because they probably came from some background that involved creativity and individualism, 2 concepts that the Republican party strive to erradicate daily....




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[furie]

so wait, the overwhelming majority in this thread seem to think that liberals...

...are rich
...are out of touch with reality
...saw 9/11 as a "PR opportunity"
...Don't work for a living



no the majority think this of celebrities, who happen to be liberal

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Probably because the conservatives/Republicans are seen to be more adamant about imposing "morals" on Hollywood (both in product and behavior) and because they traditionally oppose funding of the arts with tax dollars.



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[JerryTaker]

no the majority think this of celebrities, who happen to be liberal


The vibe I'm getting is they think that celebrities being that way is the <I>reason</I> they're liberals, which is way off the mark, in my book...



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[high fly]

...tend to be liberals.Just wondering why?

There is a simple answer, once one gets past the stereotyping.
No, celebrities are not brainwashed or hypnotized or feeling guilty.
The simple answer is that it just works out that way.
There is a thing called "statistical bunching".If you flip a coin 100 times, though with each flip, there is a 50-50 chance it'll come up heads or tails, after 100 flips you maty well not come out with 50 heads or tails; also the pattern will not be heads-tails-heads-tails-etc.
For another example, if, in the general population, you have a particular trait that occurs in say, 1 out of every 1,00 0 people, say, skin cancer. Ok, that does not mean in my town of 30,000 there will only be 30 cases. there may be many more or many less and there is no particular reason for it.
It's just that creative people tend to be more liberal, just as doctors tend to be more conservative

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[El Mudo]

so wait, the overwhelming majority in this thread seem to think that liberals...

...are rich
...are out of touch with reality
...saw 9/11 as a "PR opportunity"
...Don't work for a living


So you berate "the majority of people on this thread" for having a stereotype , and then you go give a sterotype yourself about Republicans eradicating creativity? arent you contradicting yourself?

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[JerryTaker]

you go give a sterotype yourself about Republicans eradicating creativity?


I have as much of a right to throw in a shot as anyone else, just like you have a right to actually refute any of my points, though nobody seems to actually be willing / able to do that...



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[El Mudo]

...are rich
...are out of touch with reality


Sure sounds like Walter Mondale and Frank Lautenberg to me.

Id like to make the point of how the democratic party likes to label themselves "the party of the future" yet still trot out old tools like Mondale and Lautenberg to run for Senate seats. And it sure seemed to me they ran old Trent Lott over the rails when their senior Senator used to be in the Klan

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[JerryTaker]

Sure sounds like Walter Mondale and Frank Lautenberg to me.


Actually it sounds like <I>all</I> senators and most politicians to me. I'm not talking about the goofballs who essentially hold our lives in their hands, I'm talking about the people who hold these beliefs

Unfortunately, everyone wants to play the "oh yeah, well <I>your</I> party did this.." game, which I can play too...


Id like to make the point of how the democratic party likes to label themselves "the party of the future" yet still trot out old tools like Mondale and Lautenberg to run for Senate seats.


pick a retort:
a) excuse me if the actual candidtate <I>died in a friggin' plane crash</I>

b) sure, because nobody would have anything to say about inexperience if they went with someone young and untested...

c) Strom Thurmond.... end of story...


And it sure seemed to me they ran old Trent Lott over the rails when their senior Senator used to be in the Klan


Where were these sentiments when it came to Ken Starr running Clinton Over the rails? Or, Speaking of Lautenberg, what about all the crap the Republicans dug up on Toricelli? In Fact, the Repubilcans tried their damndest to run unopposed in the election. But poor, poor Trent Lott, <I>now</I> you want to play fair?

I agree that Politicians stink, and the whole system needs some reform, but right now we need to have a liberal / conservative balance, or we're going to fuck up, BIG TIME...

And yes, I would be just as bothered if everyone was leaning to the left (and trust me, before I joined this board, back when I was still in school, I was <I>very</I> against the overdone liberalism, though I maintained my stance on abortion and the church)

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[El Mudo]

In Fact, the Repubilcans tried their damndest to run unopposed in the election


Because the laws of the State of New Jersey said it was too late to put another candidate on the ballot.

But anyway, i agree with most of the stuff in your last post there. we do need a balance, if just to try and get the most ideas we can to try and make things better. But to me personally, I seem to find conservatism is more optimistic, and has a better message than liberalism

The system may have flaws, but its still better than anything else out there

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