Still Think The War On Terror Is A Joke?

[ChickenHawk]

Tell that to THIS ASSHOLE:
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[FiveB247]

It's been over a year since Colin Powell announced al Quada is a dead organization and incapable of serious concern for future terrorist actions. Are you still going to believe that after the invasion of Afganistan (where they already have terror camps up and running again as reported by UN officials), operations and high alerts in searching for such people? Am I supposed to feel safer? If you do, you're kidding yourself. Al Quada is one of hundreds of terror organizations that the US is "currently hunting". So do I think the capture of one high member of that group is a joke.....YES! (obviously it's a good thing..but to say we're winning some war..that's absurd). And if you're so confident about how the war against terrorism is going, take a look around; Bali, North Korea testing missiles, the US government plans for terror (duct tape, etc)....it is A big Joke.

[shamus mcfitzy]

Mr. Mohammed, this war on terror is a joke.

good?

[ChickenHawk]

Mr. Mohammed, this war on terror is a joke.

good?
Good, but in an "I'm retarded" sort of way.

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[Se7en]

This is good news across the board.

We catch another high-level Al-Qaeda asshole....

....and it's good P.R. for the administration to silence the criticism of those who are attacking its activities in the war on terror.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

Good, but in an "I'm retarded" sort of way


oh stinging.....I prefer to call it clever

and how do you even know that i was knocking your point? I am, but you couldn't tell that from what I wrote.

As long as the "war on terror" is racist, it will always be a joke. When (not if) the IRA re-arms, the US will not come in and start taking down Irishmen, and with domestic terrorism, the government will never even make a strong effort to stop it. And that's not to say that international terrorism towards the US will even come close to being stopped, because it won't. So yes it is a joke. A huge joke. HAHA

[FUNKMAN]

shave the fuck and send him to Rahway State Prison...

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[ChickenHawk]

As long as the "war on terror" is racist, it will always be a joke. When (not if) the IRA re-arms, the US will not come in and start taking down Irishmen, and with domestic terrorism, the government will never even make a strong effort to stop it. And that's not to say that international terrorism towards the US will even come close to being stopped, because it won't. So yes it is a joke. A huge joke. HAHA
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This message was edited by ChickenHawk on 3-1-03 @ 9:04 PM

[shamus mcfitzy]

making a retard smile since day 1.....gegege?

[LiquidCourage]

As long as the "war on terror" is racist


Cry me a fucking river.
It's that exact attitude that's completely undermining this "war on terror."


As far as the IRA, that's the UK's problem, and they don't want us invovled.

[FiveB247]

I don't know about the IRA re-arming....but the US supports many terrorist organizations and militia's which have helped insert more US friendly tyrrants in power. Many of the "terror organizations" on the US lists have come on and gone off pending on who the US is favoring for an outcome. And if you don't believe me, look at most of the South and Central American nations.

[LiquidCourage]

. And if you don't believe me, look at most of the South and Central American nations.


If you're talking about the CIA type of stuff we did in the 80s and before that, I completely support it.

[LiquidCourage]

"Racism" is the mating call of every left wing pussy.

[LiquidCourage]

Your dad's in the CIA?
Wild.

[LiquidCourage]

The government needs to start playing dirty.
I loved hearing about how that drone took out the car full of Al Qaeda.

[Death Metal Moe]

I think it's very sad that people find humor in the capture of men bent on destroying us.

Keep sitting behind your comp fooling yourself.

We must be Ever Vigilent against threats here and abroad.

And a racist war?

Gee I don't know about you, but if an Arab punches me in the face and runs, I don't start looking for a Chinese guy. What the fuck is wrong with you?

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[TheMojoPin]

Jesus Christ, I'm as anti-war as you can get, but some of the people in this thread need to lay down the torches and pitchforks. This is one of the cases where the right guy was caught. Put the agenda down and let it ride...guys like my dad in the CIA's counterterrorism division worked their asses off to catch a bastard like this (Oddly enough, my pops left on a detail-minimum "business trip" last week...so who knows?), and for once you CAN say we played the "good guy" and we won.

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[ChickenHawk]

THANK GOD I finally agree with Mojo on something.

If you have a problem with a guy responsible for 3,000 people's deaths being caught, you are either truly EVIL, or blinded by severe retardation.

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[phixion]

i dont have a big problem with the war on terror ( its that other war i have problems with)

about those racist remarks: yea i dont balme them looking for arabs, but i want them out there looking for anarchists, and white supremecists, and all other people who have used terrorism in their way of life. dont think the only terrorists are found in the Middle East.

that being said, im more worried about dangers within our own hemisphere. in trinidad there is a terrorist camp. it is headed by Abu Bakka. this guy attempted a coup d' etat in trinidad about 9 or 10 years ago. the US thankfully intervened and returned power to where it rightfully belonged. but Abu Bakka is good friends with Bin Laden. in fact the tape where Bin Laden admits guilt about 9/ 11 he calls for Abu Bakka and another dude to take his lead and continue their war.

trinidad is a couple miles off the coast of venezuela, thats a lil too close for comfort. i only pray the US isnt over looking it.

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[TheMojoPin]

THANK GOD I finally agree with Mojo on something.

Hey, it was bound to happen SOMEday.

I just figured it would have involved peanut butter and a lot of deep, silent shame.

This is more gooder.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

Cry me a fucking river.
It's that exact attitude that's completely undermining this "war on terror."


As far as the IRA, that's the UK's problem, and they don't want us invovled.


ok, you totally misinterpreted what i said. I am not crying about the war on terror is racist, i'm white, and i'm not saying that racial profiling in this case is bad. Believe me that was the farthest thought from my mind. I also am not saying thta the IRa should get away with what they do, because i also support their cause (yes i would rather you call me a terrorist than you misinterpret me). I'm just saying that the US shouldn't call this a "war on terror" if it is only against the middle east. They could go after other groups inside the US and around the world. I think most people understand what Bush is doing and why (the many reasons) he's doing this. If there is one thing that I support the US in, it is that they want revenge and retribution.

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[TheMojoPin]

I was just saying that the US shouldn't call this a "war on terror" if it is only against the middle east.

It's not. Pakistan is actually in eastern Asia. And the US focus has been on sects stretching from Europe to Northern Africa through the Middle East into East Asia and out into the Philippines and other surrounding nations. I think you're trying to say the focus is on MUSLIM AND ARAB EXTREMISTS right now, and it is, because those terrorists are the ones that pose the most immediate and dangerous threat to us. You can't fight everything equally at once. You need to prioritize and tackle whatever is trying to kill you the hardest RIGHT NOW.

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[ChickenHawk]

I'm just saying that the US shouldn't call this a "war on terror" if it is only against the middle east.
Wait folks, he may be right... I just took a closer look at the photo, and if you zoom in enough, you'll see it actually says something in his beard...
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[shamus mcfitzy]

ok, i never meant to argue with anyone. I think we all basically had the same point of view, and I merely said something that I meant sarcasticly. By now just nitpicking the words i used, you're just being petty. Ok I AGREE with you. If I would've responded originally with "I agree", you wouldn't have said anything about what i've been writing. I'd just like to ask you how old you are? Because i'm 17, and it just seems petty for guys who are probably about 10 years older than me to take "middle east" and go "oh he said the middle east, not the muslims. GET HIM!!!!!"

I used Middle East incorrectly. Sorry, I meant Muslims. I'm not arguing with you really, so just let it go. Or how about this, make some point that actually goes against what I said when I explained myself. It's my fault for not expressing myself correctly, i'll give you that, but don't be an ass about it, because then we might as well jump all over each for spelling errors.



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[TheMojoPin]

What are you so defensive for? I was just correcting a vague point. You're kinda all over the place there, Timmy...

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The US is not after every Muslim in the ME just the radicals that like to stir stuff up unnecessarily through the most violent means possible.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

What are you so defensive for? I was just correcting a vague point.


Not necessarily you Mojo, more Chicken Hawk because he originally misunderstood me. And i just don't want you guys to think i'm a crazy liberal. And i've just done such a abd job of articulating myself, that i'm sounding like a retard (and i'm sure that will meant by something like "sounding like?")

[NewYorkDragons80]

When (not if) the IRA re-arms, the US will not come in and start taking down Irishmen

The Bush administration has cracked down hard on the IRA in the United States. Moreso than any other president in history.

I do not think there is a comparison between people who want to unite nations and people who want to destroy nations. I think that we can all agree that if the British left Ireland and Ireland was one unified nation the alleged "terrorist" or "freedom-fighting" tactics would stop. In the case of Al-Qaeda, however, it is debatable whether they would still want to destroy the United States if we evacuated Prince Sultan Air Base and Israel ceased to exist. Indeed, this was a piss-poor comparison.

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[FiveB247]

I agree that capturing this terrorist was a good thing...but that is a far cry from calling the war on terrorism successful or something similar. When the US invaded Nicaragua due to drugs and the war on drugs in the 80's...when it was over....the war on drugs was not over. And after retrospect, it didn't necessarily have a large impact on the war on drugs. The war on terrorism is similar in that case. It's not a war on a specific nation...but a general attitude and aggression carried out by people and organizations all over the world. Drugs and trafficking obviously still exist...so what did the invasion and war really get us? In some aspects and in simple terms....you can try and kill cockroaches by bombing their homes and where they exist....but they will show up in other places, disperse and take different forms. Change in attitudes, policies and tendencies are where these types of wars are dealt with and won. Not simply "war".

[DarkHippie]

this is a bit off the topic, but a circuit court recently overturned a ruling that said anti-abortion activists who harassed and extorted Planned Parenthood sites and abortion clinics could be charged under stricter "organized crime" laws (because they used organized blackmail).

i would like to see the goverment crack down on these terrorists as well. In fact, any group that uses <b>organized violence</b>, no matter what their politics, should be cracked down on.

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[Johnny4]

This capture made me smile, but I won't be happy until Bin Laden is hanging by his balls in the street like fuckin' Mussolini. As far as the rest of the terrorist pricks go, the ones that concern me the most are the ones in the Phillipines. Too fuckin' close to home and tons of American hate from years of our abuse by our military boys.(Turns out despot Marcos wasn't so bad, at least he kept out the Muslims).
Unfortunately everything wrong in every country is blamed on us because we are the the big bad bossman, we are on top and the rest of the planet thinks we eat too much.

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[travis151]

I agree that the U.S. has help terriosts in the past and might in the future for their own interest, but as history has shown it could bite them in the ass.I feel our government has stepped up on fighting terroism and is starting to win. Our government should continue to fight Global Terroism with the help a the world.
I'm not saying that every country should follow our capital system , but unite in fighting a world threat, a coalition like the UN and it may sound silly but G.I. Joe vs. Cobra.

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[TheMojoPin]

I want THIS guy watching my ass, dammit.

MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUSH.

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[Bergalad]

. Change in attitudes, policies and tendencies are where these types of wars are dealt with and won. Not simply "war".

It'a called a "War on Terror" to signify the importance of fighting it. If your liberals were in the White House it might have been called the "Policy of Terror", since that is apparently what you espouse. How do you judge what has happened so far as a failure? Would you only accept the complete end of all terrorism? You liberal wanks can't give Bush and his team any credit at all for what they have done. Just sit and bitch while they try to make it safer for all of us to live. This capture is significant; be a happy american for at least a little while, alright?

[high fly]

If your liberals were in the White House

Ahem.
Let's revue a few of the highlights of how conservatives dealt with terrorists.
Ther was Lebannon, where Reagan sent Marines into the middle of them. Tough guy Ronald put them into the worst possible tactical position, and wouldn't even let them carry loaded weapons at first.
They were prevented from responding forcefully to constant sniping, and just had to sit there and take it, while Reagan waved his little fist in the air.
Then when the terrorists blew up the US embassy, wiping out our CIA station, Reagan did little more than wave his tiny fist in the air.
Then when terrorists blew up the Marine barracks, killing 241 of them, how did conservative role model Reagan respond? HE SOUNDED THE RETREAT!!
Then when terrorists kidnapped Americans, Reagan payed ransom for them, and when they didn't keep their end of the deal, Reagan let them shake us down for even more and then LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT IT!
Then when Reagan's illegal scheme was uncovered, Reagan's loyalty went right out the window as he let North and Poindexter take the fall for him.

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[ChickenHawk]

This is NO JOKE. It's on Drudge right now... It's a picture of this douchebag AFTER his arrest.
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[FiveB247]

That pic is f'in hilarious Hawk..hahaha

Ps...You can call it a war...but it doesn't include any realignment in policy...not at the policies which are furthering "terror organizations" to pursue such actions.

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Good. That's what constantly running has made him.

I hope he fucking chokes on Bacon and dies.

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[Johnny4]

Is it me or does that guy kinda lok like Belushi and Ed Asner had a love child?

I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything, I wasn't there and if I was there I was asleep.

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I want THIS guy watching my ass, dammit.


Good ole Snake-Eyes! I would rather have him watching my back instead.

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[LiquidCourage]

high fly, your grasp on history is pretty awful.

[ChickenHawk]

Is it me or does that guy kinda lok like Belushi and Ed Asner had a love child?
Funny of you to say that. About 2 hours after your post, Matt Drudge said on his radio show that the guy looks like Belushi would've looked now.

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[TheMojoPin]

the guy looks like Belushi would've looked now

I laughed and laughed laughed until I cracked my noggin on my monitor. WOW.

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[Servo]

Doesn't he look like Babu from Seinfeld? He's just pissed because Jerry got him deported.

[FiveB247]

America, "very very bad". hehe

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Doesn't he look like Babu from Seinfeld?


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[zha zha]

Bring me the head of Ayman Al Zawahiri. Then I will rest easier. He is the real mastermind behind Al Quaeda (sp.?), used to be the head guy of Egyptian Islamic Jihad and has been a very very bad man since the early 70's, even before the Mujahadeen had beef with the Russians in Afghanistan. He needs to be caught soon. Osama is really just a figurehead and holder of the pursestrings. Don't get me wrong, he needs to be caught of course. Seeing his head on a stick will do wonders for my insomnia problem. I just hope this other war doesn't distract us too much and incite more terrorism in it's wake. Unfortunately, our government seems hellbent on doing this thing whether or not we the people agree or disagree. I just wish they had a clear-cut plan for the aftermath of 'winning' this war in Iraq. The State dept. and the Pentagon can't even agree on what they should do in the region after the bombing is over. I just hope they can get who they are after, accomplish destroying the arsenal of weapons they supposedly have, dismantle the Baath government without killing thousands of innocent civilians. The people of Iraq wouldn't know democracy if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. They've never had it, for the last twenty years they've lived under a sadistic totalitarian government and before that it was a monarchy with constant bloody coups. They only became a country in 1918 when the Ottoman Turk empire was carved up at the end of WWI. Establishing a sitting democracy in that region is going to a bitch. There are all kinds of seething tribal and ethnic enmities just waiting to rise to the surface. It'll be a snake pit for sure with the rest of the extremist factions of the Arab world watching and plotting who knows what. And without the rest of the world to help foot the bill our economy will take a serious hit. I just wish I had the confidence that this administration was as prepared for after the war as they obviously are for dropping bombs and destroying the place. In the meantime, catching terrorist kingpins is a good thing. Oh and by the way, the French still suck!!!!

[high fly]

high fly, your grasp on history is pretty awful

No, LC, what is awful is that conservatives have dealt as poorly with terrorists as liberals over the years.
Keep in mind that a lot of the chemical and biological weapons that we feel threatened by in Iraq got there BECAUSE REAGAN GAVE IT TO THEM!
I also notice that you don't dispute any of the points I made. Face it, part of the reason the
terrorists think we are weak is cuz Reagan chickened out in Lebannon and was willingly extorted by them repeatedly, and lied like hell to us about it.
What was the payback for all of those Americans blown up, kidnapped and killed
in the Middle East on Reagan's watch?
With your superior grasp on history, LC, please address the points I raised.

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[JerryTaker]

I'm just saying that the US shouldn't call this a "war on terror" if it is only against the middle east. They could go after other groups inside the US and around the world.


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[LiquidCourage]

We never gave chem/bio weapons to Iraq. I'm sick of that bullshit rumor going around.

We gave them intelligence to help them win their war with Iran, who was responsible for terrorism everywhere. In exchange for this intelligence, Hussein stopped giving haven to terrorists Abu Nidal and Abu Abas.
We also funded anti Ayatollah factions in Iran. They made a few small attempts at a coup, but it never worked.

After the bombings in Lebanon CIA director Bill Casey formed an anti terrorism pre-emptive strike force made up of Lebanese Christians. When we found the locations and plots of terrorists we'd send these guys in. They'd execute the terrorist scumbags. After numerous reports of these guys getting out of hand, however, we stopped funding them.

Also, our hard line with Libya started to make Iran nervous.

[high fly]

Liquiud, you proved my point. The payback for all our guys getting blown up, killed and kidnapped was exactly zero, zippy, zilch
[unless you want to count the extortion paid by Republican icon, Ronald Reagan]

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[shamus mcfitzy]

No, LC, what is awful is that conservatives have dealt as poorly with terrorists as liberals over the years.


The way that's phrased just proves how sad the situation actually is. NO ONE in the US knows how to deal with terrorism. The US had better start asking Israel and England about what it takes to stop terrorists on a regular basis, because it's obvious that there are just going to be more attacks. Technically Septemeber 11th "worked" for Al Queda, so I can't think that there won't be many more attacks in the future.

[Mxyzptlk]

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[LiquidCourage]

What are you talking about?
We assisted a country at war with the country behind the bombing of the Marine barracks, resulting in the defeat of Iran and a few million dead Iranians.

I would hardly call that nothing.

[LiquidCourage]

The way that's phrased just proves how sad the situation actually is. NO ONE in the US knows how to deal with terrorism. The US had better start asking Israel and England about what it takes to stop terrorists on a regular basis, because it's obvious that there are just going to be more attacks.


We know what we need to do, but we have to deal with the punks who will cry about "racial profiling" all day.

[LiquidCourage]

I hope the CIA takes the other 2 off in a nasty torture session.

[shamus mcfitzy]

That guy has two inches if he's lucky....

[FiveB247]

Iraq getting military secrets including weapons and information / capabilities to create chemical and biologicial weapons can be traced to the US. These are not rumors. The US may have not handed them these items in their final components, but even Dick Chaney has mentioned such items. If you want to get picky and say they weren't distributed directly...fine...but realize...you give a child a bullet and a gun separately...they will shoot it at some point. And the US supplied Iraq with info and capabilities to do so. The US helped arm the world during the Cold War and other military actions/ agendas ..and now a days..they are trying to play clean up and get back the armaments they so help create and distribute (whether it be the former USSR or the US).

[FiveB247]

Sorry...double post.

This message was edited by FiveB247 on 3-3-03 @ 10:19 PM

[high fly]

We never gave chem/bio weapons to Iraq. I'm sick of that bullshit rumor going around
Sorry, LC, but that "bullshit rumor" is contained in a 1994 Senate Banking Committee report and numerous declassified government documents. You can read about it in a Dec 30, 2002 Washington Post front page article by Michael Dobbs. Here's a couple highlights for you:
"The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague."
"A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee turned up dozens of biological agents shipped to Iraq during the mid-80s under license from the Commerce Department including various strains of anthrax, subsequently identified by the Pentagon as a key component of the Iraqi biological warfare program. The Commerce Department also approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare."
A little research will also show that the strain of anthrax sent through the mail just happened to be the same as one of the ones we sent to Iraq.

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[FiveB247]

Nice post high fly. Everyone is always doubtful of such on-goings that are well documented.

[high fly]

We assisted a country at war with the country behind the bombings of the Marine barracks

And the actual perpetrators? They got off scot free.
And while we were assisting Iraq, we were also implementing " Operation Staunch" to cut off weapons deliveries to Iran from other countries --ahem-- while we happened to be supplying Iran--- the country behind the bombing of the Marine barracks, with arms as part of the extortion that Reagan was paying to Iran at the time, all the while LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT IT

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[A.J.]

A little research will also show that the strain of anthrax sent through the mail just happened to be the same as one of the ones we sent to Iraq.


That would seem to support the theory that Iraq may be behind some terrorist activity after all.

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[FiveB247]

I want to refute parts of what I said regarding High Fly. It is documented that the US helped Iraq with development and assisting in chemical and biological weapons. I complimented him on that.

Everything else he's said is hearsay. I highly doubt he has found the link between Iraq and terrorism when the international community could not. ..hehe....no offense High Fly. :)

[high fly]

None taken, five. Links to training, financing, encouraging and providing safe haven to terrorists by Iraq in the past have established.
In 1979 the State Department established a list of terrorist sponsoring states and Iraq was on it, along with Syria, South Yemen and Libya.
In a back room deal, in exchange for Iraq asking Abu Nidal to leave, Reagan took them off the list, even though Iraq continued to help terrorists. Reagan didn't seem to mind that Iraq at the time was also harboring Abu Abbas, whose Palestinian Liberation Front was responsible for the hijacking of the Achille Lauro and the murder of an American, Leon Klinghoffer.
I also seem to recall that Ilich Ramirez, aka "Carlos" spent some time in Iraq between terrorist operations.
Currently, Saddam is awarding large cash payouts to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, and so can be said to be financing those bombings. Perhaps " rewarding " is a better word.

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[high fly]

Oops, meant to say "Ilich Ramirez Sanchez"

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[FiveB247]

Obviously many nations can be attributed to 'terror or terror groups' (nowadays and in the past). Talking of links between terrorists and Iraq from 1979 isn't recent nor does it point to actions of now or recent. Just because they did it previously, doesn't automatically mean they are involved or doing it now though.

[GaryWyze]

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