9-year old rape victim a criminal for obtaining an abortion?

[angrymissy]

Here's quick rundown on what happened (link to the whole story provided below). A 9-year old girl in Nicaragua was raped and became pregnant. Abortion in Nicaragua is strictly regulated and only available in extreme cases. The girl and her family managed to obtain an abortion at a clinic on the basis that she would most likely die during childbirth if the fetus was carried to term.

The government and church is investigating the abortion and the Minister of Health is saying a "crime" was committed.

What do you think should have happened? If you are Anti-Abortion, do you believe that in an extreme case like this an exception should be made for a 9-year old rape victim? Do you believe her and/or her family should be punished for obtaining the abortion?

I thought this was in interesting bit of news, which is why I'm bringing it up here.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030224/ap_wo_en_he/la_gen_nicaragua_child_abortion_1

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EDIT: I just linked the news site because the tag was too long.


This message was edited by Gvac on 2-28-03 @ 7:52 PM

[walking joint]

i would think abortion no matter where you lived would be okay in this situation what a sad story...raped at 9 and gets pregnant.

[A.J.]

First and foremost, the girl should have received counseling -- not only to help her deal with the rape but to help her decide if she wishes to have an abortion or not.

She should then be allowed to have the abortion if she and her family so choose.

At the same time the rapist should be castrated with rusty, unsterile instruments and without anasthesia.

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[megatallicarob]

wtf?!?!

[walking joint]

not only to help her deal with the rape but to help her decide if she wishes to have an abortion or not.

you really think at 9 she can make that decision?

[A.J.]

you really think at 9 she can make that decision?

That's why I said "if she and her family so choose".

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[walking joint]

That's why I said "if she and her family so choose".

just because i'm bored i will go further with this. what if the family said they wanted her to have the baby and she didn't want to....or even if the family just said they wanted her to have the baby? do you think they should make her do so?

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[A.J.]

just because i'm bored i will go further with this. what if the family said they wanted her to have the baby and she didn't want to....or even if the family just said they wanted her to have the baby? do you think they should make her do so?

i'm not picking you out, just need something to do to get me to 5.

No problem. :)

Well, I doubt that a 9-year old would ever make such a decision without parental input. My guess is that because she's a minor, the parents would have to make the decision for her. I imagine they would have to decide which would be more traumatic for their daughter: having the abortion or carrying the child for 9 months.

Horde King is more versed on the legalities and procedures involved than I am so hopefully he'll read your post and answer your questions better than I can.

I think that the option to have an abortion should be made available for this girl. She certianly should not be made out to be a criminal. I think she's suffered enough having been raped and impregnated.

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[angrymissy]

One of the reasons I've brought this up, is because I was absolutely shocked to see people debating this on a debate message board I frequent, and anti-abortion people arguing that it wasn't the fetus' fault that it was conceived, and that the girl should have to give birth.

Giving birth could have killed this girl.

Apparently, they are also releasing the man that was accused of raping her, until his trial date, on his own recognince.

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This message was edited by angrymissy on 2-28-03 @ 1:53 PM

[walking joint]

and anti-abortion people arguing that it wasn't the fetus' fault that it was conceived, and that the girl should have to give birth.

and its the girls fault she got raped? what's wrong with these people. They want to put a 9 years old life at risk...the most likely ending would probably be the death of both the baby and the 9 year old kid (though i want to call her a baby also).

[ADF]

Well, I doubt that a 9-year old would ever make such a decision without parental input. My guess is that because she's a minor, the parents would have to make the decision for her. I imagine they would have to decide which would be more traumatic for their daughter: having the abortion or carrying the child for 9 months.


Children, especially nine-year old ones, should not be having babies. They're not able to make a qualified decision and any parent who would make their child have a baby should be lobotomized.

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[DarkHippie]

i don't think a 9 yr old can safely give birth. both of them would die.Abortion in Nicaragua is strictly regulated and only available in extreme cases.
this seems like an extreme case

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[angrymissy]

this seems like an extreme case

I know, I don't know what they consider an extreme case, if they think this one isn't...

Apparently the Minister of Health (affiliated with the Curch) is calling it a crime and saying its the same thing as a suicide bomber walking onto a bus and blowing it up. They're also saying that having an abortion would be more dangerous than giving birth (an absolute untruth, especially for a 9 year old).


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[jratt]

Before i had my daughter I would not have put much thought into this but now that i have a 5month old bady girl my views have changed and it sickens me that i have to bring her up in a world where a 9 year old is raped and punished for have an abortion!!!!!!I know its not in the USA but there would be the same kind of debates here...this girl lost her childhood so some piece of shit pedo could get off how come he is not being stoned or canned or his junk cut off ....NO....he gets to walk and she is being punished....this is the shit that happens when there is no seperation of church and state....i hope this guy dies the worst death possible 1000 times and any one else that hurts a child

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[ChrisTheCop]

Those wacky 3rd world Nicaraguans. The scary thing Missy is that this same debate goes on frequently, if not constantly, in our very own congress, senate, and courts. Personally, I'm a moderate who believes that abortion is a medical procedure that exists and should be available to any woman who feels she needs one--not as a contraceptive--but in "extreme cases" such as this one. Too bad her family didnt smuggle her into America so that our doctors couldve accidentally killed her. That way, she wouldnt be facing jail time.

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[Doogie]

Giving birth could have killed this girl.

Case closed; the abortion isnt illegal. The church rules that suicide is a sin cause you are harming yourself, well this to me is a case of someone harming themselves if she was forced to give birth. Therefore there is nothing more to argue about. There will plenty of more children to come for this girl I am sure.

Apparently, they are also releasing the man that was accused of raping her, until his trial date, on his own recognince


Now that is a bigger fucking crime than the girl getting the abortion that this sick asshole is allowed to walk the streets. But you dont hear the Anti-abortion people up in arms that a pedophile-rapist is allowed to wander the streets again. People get their fucking priorities all fucked up in life, I swear.

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You can get pregnant at age 9? That's fucking insane.

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[McNabbShouldDie]

First off, I am anti-abortion. With that being said, I believe that its ok this lil girl got the abortion. She is not even in the double digits of age yet and she is supposed to be giving birth? The fetus would take up practically half the size of her body. I think it would be a miracle if she had gone through with delivering the baby and survived.

I didnt know you could get pregnant at 9, thats gottta be one sick guy to rape a child.

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[angrymissy]

You can get pregnant at age 9? That's fucking insane

Yup, being a girl sucks sometimes. You can get pregnant as soon as you get your first period. I got mine at 10, so technically I coulda gotten pregnant at 10.

I know a girl who got it at 8.

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[Doogie]

I know a girl who got it at 8


I dont know what is scarier. That the girl had it at 8 or that some kid/teen actually knocked her up.

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[JerryTaker]

I know, I don't know what they consider an extreme case, if they think this one isn't...


Pobably somebody <I>rich</I> wanting an abortion is where they bring in the "extreme" argument

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[MobbDeep]

how can a kid have a baby? It shouldn't even be debated. How can we debate if she should have a baby or shouldn't? In a case like this, it is common sense to have abortion. Who brought up criminal charges against the family? must be insane to think something wrong was done with the decision of abortion. That guy should be given the the kind of punishment to leave an example for all the other rapists who rape kids.

[SatCam]

If it's not the girl's fault she was pregnant, it wasnt the guys.

But really, anti-abortion bitches are also anti-life for kids like this.

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Too bad her family didnt smuggle her into America so that our doctors couldve accidentally killed her. That way, she wouldnt be facing jail time.

Wow,my respect for you just dropped.First off the girl isnt facing jail time,her parents are.Secondly,this isnt just a third world nation problem.Finally,to say what you said,about her parents not being able to smuggle her into this country so that our doctors could accidently kill her,that was just distasteful.Shame on you chris.I know you have more sense than that.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

By no means is this a good or easy situation, but it is not the fetus's fault that this happened. That should not affect the worth of the existence of the fetus. In this case, as I have said in the past, the mother was determined to be in danger by a medical doctor. Abortion, in my opinion, is acceptable in this case because the child is infringing on the mother's rights. This is a fucked up situation.

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[ChrisTheCop]

Wow,my respect for you just dropped. Shame on you chris.
Please take the time to read what I said in between the quotes you picked out. I was in fact saying that its not a 3rd world problem, as the debate continues here in the usa. And as for the last part, I was referring to another story, which perhaps you apparently didnt hear of, where a mexican girl's family smuggled her in to the US for an operation, and our doctors accidentally killed her. I was not saying that was a good thing. Occasionally on this board, people use humor to get their points across, and if theyre lucky (and i have yet to be), they make people laugh. I have no problem debating people; all I ask is that you read and understand what was written in the 1st place. You may now raise your respect level for me back up to Orange.

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[FMJeff]

Please bear in mind these third world countries need religion to offset the terrible quality of life they endure on a daily basis. Religion to them is survival...piss off g-d and bad things will happen to you and your family.

It's an almost medieval perspective on religion, but it is evolving as the Internet and free culture thinking are slowly working thier way into the third world.

The fact that they are investigating and didn't immediately do something to the girl shows improvement. (For all we know, this "investigation" could be a smokescreen to appease the catholic political majority. Who knows...don't be quick to judge...)

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