The First ammendment

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If that disgrace of a person Toni Smith turns her back on the flag that protects her freedom its ok for her to express her opinion.
Meanwhile the vietnam vet who ran on to the court with the american flag gets booed out of the gymnasium. Hello!!! he was also expressing his first ammendment right. But the liberal media fails to report that.



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[SoLost22]

i agree with you but he was escorted out for storming the court, and I don't remember if he did or not but if he made contact with her that is a very minor assualt, the 1st amendment doesn't allow that.

Either way it's ridiculous that she turns her back, I hope she gets hit by a truck with an american flag painted on the back

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[Bob Impact]

I love that Ron will say the same thing I say constantly and no one gets it. She can disagree with the government all she wants, that is our right as American citizens, and, like Ron has said many times, it makes our country stronger than ever that we can allow for people to disagree. Blindly following anyone, as much as you may like George W. is a fools endeavour.

Meanwhile the vietnam vet who ran on to the court with the american flag gets booed out of the gymnasium. Hello!!! he was also expressing his first ammendment right. But the liberal media fails to report that.
The difference is that she passivly voiced her protest and the vet ran out onto the court(Problem 1) and came within three feet(The woman's "personal space.") No it's probably not assault, but there was nothing to say that this guy could not, or would not strike our possible stab or shoot this girl, no one knows if he has a weapon. Generally nutty behaviour like that is looked down upon anywhere.

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[Bergalad]

I love that Ron will say the same thing I say constantly and no one gets it. She can disagree with the government all she wants, that is our right as American citizens, and, like Ron has said many times, it makes our country stronger than ever that we can allow for people to disagree. Blindly following anyone, as much as you may like George W. is a fools endeavour.

This is retarded. She is wrong. Simple. It's not about rights, it's about respect. She is a piece of crap, and really you defending her is about the same. Don't hide behind Ron because he's wrong if he agrees with this case. The country isn't one man, the country is all of us, and if she spits on that, well to hell with her. Why are you coddling her? Don't be so spineless and say 'it's her right to do so'. Well, it may be her right, but we don't have to accept her disrespecting the United States. Have a little f'ing pride in your country and way of life, will you? She's not protesting against a policy, she's shatting on the country by disrespecting it so. Stop sugar-coating it. She has the right to say what she wants, but we don't have to accept it and make excuses for her. How retarded to say that the Vet (who risked his life to defend the freedoms the nation affords) is more culpable than the dumb bitch who says the U.S. is not worth her respect.

[TheMojoPin]

How retarded to say that the Vet (who risked his life to defend the freedoms the nation affords)

Hey, I can play the happy medium...

He risked his life to fight for the right for both he and the girl to act really, really retardedly in public.

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[Legolas]

Bob, I got to say that I completely agree with you.

I wonder if the majority of Americans would agree with the "she's anti-american" posts in this topic?


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[Bergalad]

I wonder if the majority of Americans would agree with the "she's anti-american" posts in this topic?

Hmm...well, let's see here. She turned her back (so to speak) on the flag, which is the representation of America. So if she is against what the flag symbolizes, then she is against America. That would make her, what, anti-american? I know it might be a brain teaser for you. Take your time...

[ChickenHawk]

This could've all fit quite nicely in the original thread about this stupid chick...

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[TheMojoPin]

Based on all the articles I've read, it really seems like she's protesting America's foreign policy RIGHT NOW, not the country as a whole or its history or political and social ideals. The flag is used by those currently in power to represent THEIR America, and so she's probably viewing it as a symbol of that. The flag means plenty of different things to almost everyone in this country, and quite frankly, I don't give a shit what she thinks of it or Nutsy McVeteran that jumped out at her thinks of it. Treat the flag as you think you should and get on with your lives.

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[Legolas]

I know it might be a brain teaser for you. Take your time...




Don't be a jerk, Bergalad

As far as everything else you said, read Mojo's previous post.

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[JiZ]

I was born and raised in this country. My family are all from this country. Freedom to do what we want is what makes this country. For all of you people who think she should die or she is retarded....I say bring me a flag so I can light it on fire then piss on it to put it out. After all, it's my god given right. Maybe we should go about it your way, after all, Hitler wasn't so bad.......was he?

[GrimSanity]

my father is a vet and i still find it wrong that we have to bomb and kill people for oil. this whole upcoming war is about oil nothing more. i don't care what bush says about weapons and all that we want there oil so we want to put someone who is good with us so they sell us cheap oil. don't get me wrong i'm totally pro US and anti Iraq but i don't think it's right to send peoples families over there to get gased and shot at, so i can get gas for a $1.50. remember last time when soldiers came home with sickness. that now the US are saying oh yea we knew about that and did nothing to protect them. so please.

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[DarkHippie]

Ammendment I:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To summarize, she has the right to protest, and you have the right to hate her for it.

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[fatty]

It's not about rights, it's about respect.


well, that is a right, a right not to respect something if you don't want.

you're tying in the fact that if people think she has the right to do it that we think it's right. i say f that c-bag in the ass and unload in her hair. but if she wants to turn away turn away, it's her decision. and it's mine to decide to hate her dumb ass.

this country is founded on the ability to make decisions, that's whats different than all the other countries we fight against, their government makes decisions for them. if we tell her she can't do this, it's teh same shit. she has the right to do that which sucks, but remember it's those rights that we are fighting for.

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[Bergalad]

I say bring me a flag so I can light it on fire then piss on it to put it out. After all, it's my god given right. Maybe we should go about it your way, after all, Hitler wasn't so bad.......was he?

There is Free Speech, and then there is incendiary speech. I didn't say to kill her, I said it was her right to do what she did. Don't throw the 1st around and just leave it at that though. Crap like what 'JiZ' said above is unnecessary and really pretty horrible. It's pathetic to help that girl hide behind the 1st and just accept what she did. Yeah it's her right, but she's still wrong to do it that way.

[Recyclerz]

To summarize, she has the right to protest, and you have the right to hate her for it.

Hear, hear.


I now ask the media to bring us our next distraction so we don't have to worry our little heads about the big issues.



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[DarkHippie]

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[FiveB247]

I just posted a similar item in another thread, but I'll repeat myself here.

Do I agree with the girl turning her back on the flag? ...No

Is Burning the Flag a worthy or worthwild thing to show your disagreement with Policy?...No

Who should be accountable for such items? The authority which makes laws and allows for flag burning to occur. Anyone who burns a flag is allowed to do so by the government cause they make it ok. Don't simply point and blame the person doing it. Blame your own government for not puting a stop to it.

And you want to talk of respect? How about the respect for other citizens ideas, beliefs and such that are different from your own. Regardless how much or little they hold value. That's the 1st Amendment...not troncing on a girl for acting and legally doing so under her college which allows her to do so. Some one else's beliefs and ideas are no more important than your own. And the guy who stormed the court with the flag to patronize that girl...did break law. By interupting the b-ball game and acting unorderly.

[lippy]

But the liberal media fails to report that


What liberal media? Hannity? Limbaugh? Ingraham? Matthews? Fox News? The New York Post? These names make up a majority of the media I see, hear and read. I would hardly describe them as liberal.




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[Bergalad]

Who should be accountable for such items? The authority which makes laws and allows for flag burning to occur. Anyone who burns a flag is allowed to do so by the government cause they make it ok. Don't simply point and blame the person doing it. Blame your own government for not puting a stop to it.

Sure, it's the government's fault. Of course! She isn't responsible for her own actions! How about the respect for other citizens ideas, beliefs and such that are different from your own.

Well, you said I don't have to respect her ideas because the government has failed to pass a law requiring me to. Damn Congress! I wish they would pass a law like that so I would learn how to respect!

[FiveB247]

Bergalad, not only did you misinterpret what I wrote, you did it poorly.

I simply stated, everyone is yelling at this girl for turning her back to the flag. Quite honestly, who gives a flying f' what this girl thinks. She's one person and hasn't even specifically stated in detail why she does such actions. Everyone is yelling at her, people should be yelling at the college for letting her represent the school in such a manner. The college could easily stop her from doing such things if they chose too.

And as for flag burning or any other item, if the government tomorrow says murder is ok. Would you yell at someone for killing? Maybe, but the root of the problem is the government. People should be held accountable for their actions, but people act or don't act in accordance with law. That's the difference. If the government says abortion is legal, it is ok. If the government says burning a flag is legal, it is ok. They are the source to complain to and hold responsible.

[Bergalad]

I interpreted your musings correctly I think, but you never make much sense anyway. Here's a case in point:
Everyone is yelling at her, people should be yelling at the college for letting her represent the school in such a manner. The college could easily stop her from doing such things if they chose too.

So there you say that the girl isn't the one who is responsible for what she did, the school is. Then you let out this gem:
People should be held accountable for their actions

You can't seem to make up your mind, can you? Go back to attacking the war, you do better (which isn't saying much).

[FiveB247]

Bergalad..you obviously can't handle more then one item at a time.

Yes, the girl should be held responsible for her actions. In which case, it's free speech..and who cares really?!

Secondly, if you expect the girl to stop, you should realize it's the college she's representing by playing b-ball.

And as for flag burning, anyone can light a match and burn a flag. Doesn't make them a greater or lesser person. It's just a symbol..and the meaning is for you to decide, there's no general consensus on what the flag means or represents. And if the government is allowing such actions to occur and have ruled so in courts (which they have), then so be it. It you want to stop actions and such from occuring, you go to the source where it is started or ended...ie the government.

Ps..Everyone makes a big deal about disrespting America and such...when most of the time...America does enough of it on its own. And if you don't think so..next time you go to a ball game...start cheering during the end of the anthem and yell "play ball", or how about all those people who would steal generous donations from 9-11 victims right after it happend. That story about that girl came out cause of the media and it's agenda....not for the girl. And by shedding light, recognizing and constantly talking about it, people make stupid and incoherent items important. Like anything else in life, ignore it and it will go away.

[TooCute]

Why are there two threads on this topic?

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[Bergalad]

For those of you who are unsure of what the flag means (ahem...Five), here is what the U.S. Congress had to say on the matter in 1942:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands...

Interesting. So Title 36 of the U.S. Code says that the flag is synonymous with the nation. Therefore Congress thinks that if you disrespect the flag, you are disrespecting the nation as well. The law doesn't say you have to respect it, but if you don't, then you don't respect the United States either. At least that is what Congress is saying. Sounds pretty official to me.

Here is a link for flag etiquette for anyone who actually has respect for the flag. It also lists the US Code sections that concern it. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html