Democrat Candidate

[lippy]

Even though the party's a mess, there's gotta be one good candidate amongst the Sharptons and Liebermans. I want John Kerry, prostate problems or not. Does it even matter, though? Is it four more years of the good ol' boys? Any dark horse Dem. candidates?

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[Death Metal Moe]

I HOPE NOT!
I feel back for the Dems.

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[Reephdweller]

Any dark horse Dem. candidates?


Is that anyway to talk about Carol Mosely-Braun?

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[TheMojoPin]

It's a clusterfuck, and I'm glad the Democrats are getting fucked the hardest.

I'm a diehard liberal, but godDAMN if the Democrats didn't practically give up on almost every liberal "ideal" that their party is supposed to stand up for during the Clinton years. I WANT them to twist in the wind until they get back to what they're supposed to stand for and we can actually see a clear difference between them and Republicans. If they weren't such a disgusting, weak-kneed mess of a party, they should be able to take the next Presidential election without a single problem as that this Bush is heading right into the same traps as his dad...but no, NO, they've got to muck THAT up, too...suck it and die, Dems. You all sicken me. Wellstone was the only one with any guts.

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[FiveB247]

Sadly enough, Bush will be re-elected to the boobs of this country...nonetheless we'll be at war and the economy will be in the shitter. Does anyone know if Clinton wants to run again in like 10 yrs....we can change the system by then. He can bring our economy back out of the crapper. Who knows...

[TheMojoPin]

Does anyone know if Clinton wants to run again in like 10 yrs....we can change the system by then. He can bring our economy back out of the crapper. Who knows...

Uhm, yeah.

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[FiveB247]

it was a joke mojo...geez

[TheMojoPin]

So was mine.

Er...they COMPLIMENT each other...yeah, THAT'S the ticket...

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[The Blowhard]

Reverend Al in 2004! Tawana told the truth damn it!
Hillary in 2008! She is destined for greatness. Sorry, I can't stop thinking about her booty and creamy white thighs.

[The_Machine]

Do you have a vision for what you want America to look like? If you do, then you should select the candidate who comes closest to making what you want for America happen.

Here's my vision: I want to live in a society where people are well-educated, have good jobs, are physically fit and kept out of hospitals and act in accordance with sound moral values that do not discriminate against anyone because of race, age, gender or national origin. I want to raise my children in a society where we manage our natural resources efficiently by preserving our wilderness areas, by expanding our national parks and by maintaining clear water and clean air. I want to live in an America where the Supreme Court stops making social law, where the federal government is made smaller and where local governmental services and schools are truly controlled and funded at the local level. I want a drug-free America where it's safe to walk city streets and where inner-city kids end up going to universities like Loyola rather than to penitentiaries like San Quentin.

The Democratic Party appears to have become the party of a political, judicial and media elite bent on supporting an oppressive taxation system that has undermined the American family and too often forced both parents to work outside the home to make ends meet. Children don't raise themselves. They need one parent at home after school.


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[The Blowhard]

The Democratic Party appears to have become the party of a political, judicial and media elite bent on supporting an oppressive taxation system that has undermined the American family and too often forced both parents to work outside the home to make ends meet. Children don't raise themselves. They need one parent at home after school.



Amen!

[A.J.]

I'm a diehard liberal, but godDAMN if the Democrats didn't practically give up on almost every liberal "ideal" that their party is supposed to stand up for during the Clinton years.


That's because the Democrats were tired of losing. Thank Dick Morris for urging Clinton to move to the center so he could get reelected.

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[TheMojoPin]

That's because the Democrats were tired of losing. Thank Dick Morris for urging Clinton to move to the center so he could get reelected.

Then I wish they would have kept losing and withered and died. Democrats today have little if no difference from most of the moderate Republicans that are running things, and I have no time for them. I said, "GOOD DAY", sirs!

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[LatterYearsJimMorrison]

Reverend Al will lead us to the top of the mountain.

[East Side Dave]

Marion Barry: presidency or bust in '04.

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[DarkHippie]

I agree with Mojo about the democrats. they have given up on their ideals for the sake of pandering for votes, and it hasn't worked. I have been a member of the Green party since 1999. i don't consider myself insane, I don't think that I have ever thrown away my vote. I vote based upon my beliefs, and most democrats no longer believe what I believe in.

Anyway, I've said many times who I think the dems should run in '04, and the only dem that i will vote for:

MARTIN O'MALLEY, Mayor of Baltimore

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[Death Metal Moe]

I have been a member of the Green party since 1999. i don't consider myself insane, I don't think that I have ever thrown away my vote


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[FiveB247]

You can make fun of anyone who votes Green all you want to...But also realize when you vote for the Democrats or Republicans you're throwing your vote away as well. When is the last time any politician did as they "promised" or did anything in the public's interest? Stop kidding yourself into thinking your vote actually matters. When someone votes Green atleast they believe they are trying to make an alternative party for the future....when you vote for the dem/ rep's ..you already know you're going to get lies, bs and shit in return.

[pennington]

When is the last time any politician did as they "promised"


Ronald Reagan - cut taxes & brought down the evil empire

[Death Metal Moe]

When someone votes Green atleast they believe they are trying to make an alternative party for the future


That's like saying "I've been spending all my money for 50 years on a formula to try to turn Lead into Gold. I never got anything done, but at LEAST I was trying to make a difference!"

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[TheMojoPin]

Ronald Reagan - cut taxes & brought down the evil empire

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I like John Kerry, even though I am a Libertarian Republican. I strongly disagree with him on many issues, but at least he served democracy in Southeast Asia before he tried to serve democracy in the United States.

I respect not only those who vote for a third party darkhorse, but for anyone registered with one party who is not afraid to cast their vote for someone in another because they have more in common politically. My main problem with the Green Party is that they are against military spending and champion causes of convicted felons (in some cases cop-killers). What I really like about the Green Party is their support of DC Statehood and Homosexual Rights.

By the way Mojo, Reagan is the best president of the last 50 years. Now if Barry Goldwater won in '64 I wouldn't be saying that...

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[A.J.]

Now if Barry Goldwater won in '64 I wouldn't be saying that...


In my heart I knew he was right.

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[FiveB247]

Ronald Regan didn't do much more then put this country in debt. When he got out of office, the national debt was at its highest point Ever, military spending was astronomical and social spending was shot to hell.

There was an article in the Sunday NY Times Magazine section a few weeks back comparing the policies of Regan and Bush (jr). It's nothing more then scary. And for many of you that don't remember, the War on Drugs was a huge failure and "star wars" missile defense never worked. Sounds kinda similar to Bush's missile defense system and the war on terrorism. It's funny how people recycle ideas and history repeats itself.

Has anyone read Chomsky's "People over Profit"? Talk's all about neoliberalism ways of people like Reagan. Good book...scary notions.

The last great President this nation had was FDR (and in my opinion the greatest). He helped build the economy, structured and kept corporations in tact and helped create stability in the world. And it was all before the US was a super power. After that happened, it's world orders, economic and social rule.

On a side note, the problem with the Green party right now..or any Alternative party is that the ideas are too narrow. It's a single cause or belief, environment, abortion, etc.. The 2 major parties spread across in ideas within the foundational beliefs. And besides the Two parties have it set up so that it's nearly impossible for a Third party to compete and survive do to monetary reasons. Candidates literally buy their way into office; it's a game of spending and the high costing campaign wins.

[Bergalad]

Hey, as a Republican, I am happy that the Left is looking weak right now. Dems are too wrapped up in throwing money at a social problem for my tastes. We don't need to be subsidizing people having babies. Dems will have a hard time in 2004 because they appear, I said appear, soft of Homeland Defense. According to the talking heads on TV all day yesterday, the economy will improve once there is some sort of end to this Iraq business. If that happens, the Left is completely screwed.

Oh, and Five...come on now.
Ronald Regan didn't do much more then put this country in debt.

Regan is THE best president of the last 50 years and is in the top 10 for sure. Through his policies he ended the Cold War, plain and simple. He raised the US to become the lone Uberpower in the world. Only through his actions and increased spending (which you decry) was our military able to leap ahead of all others. We owe our pre-eminence in world affairs to him. Plus he had the courage of his convictions, something that the Democrats could use more of in their presidential candidates.

[blakjeezis]

For good or for bad, it looks like Bush is gonna win the next one. The Democrats have completely sold out on any true liberal ideals a long time ago, so that's not a real problem for me. I say run Al Sharpton, you're gonna lose anyway and it'll be, I quote Mr. T, helluva fun.

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[FiveB247]

Reagan was in office at the time we ended the USSR. He was not the reason, he didn't do anything that others hadn't done before him. He built military like many others and out spent the Russians like many others. The USSR was being chipped away since the early 70's. It took 20 or so years for it to finally collapse. You make it seem as if Reagan did it by himself or did something different that other Presidents hadn't.

And as for you saying that Reagan helped the US become an 'uber power'. The US came out of WWII as the only remaining super power. Reagun simply applied notions of business, corporations and spending towards embedding the US influence in the world. And besides, the US military has been far ahead of other nations in the world for quite sometime. Even towards the decline in the USSR. They had capabilities, but the US kept technology up and continued to build new items; something Russia could not.

And as for your mention of Democrats lacking courage of convictions? As to say the Republicans are any better? They both are full of shit...one is no better than the other. They both have agenda's that are unrelated to the public/ American populations interest. Saying one is that much better than the other is like saying, "would you prefer to be shot to death? or be stabbed to death?" Lesser of two evils, that's Election Day in this country...but it's not like people vote...right?!

[DarkHippie]

Hey can we get back to democratic Candidates?

Martin O'Malley in 2004!! Or what about digging up John Glenn? i like to see someone call him unpatriotic.

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[A.J.]

Or what about digging up John Glenn? i like to see someone call him unpatriotic.


I wouldn't call him unpatriotic but "digging up" is a funny choice of words considering he's 82 years old.

Then again, Frank Lautenberg and Walter Mondale proved he's young enough to make another Senate run.

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[Bergalad]

Hey can we get back to democratic Candidates?

Yeah, just wanted to let Five ostracize himself a little more. Did anyone catch the Democratic National Committee meeting today on C-SPAN? I thought every candidate attacked specific points on Bush (quite harshly in fact) but didn't offer anything specific of their own. Typical. Curious if anyone else saw it and their thoughts.

[TheMojoPin]

By the way Mojo, Reagan is the best president of the last 50 years.

We haven't had a truly "good" president since Truman. Johnson and Nixon showed glimpses, but Vietnam and paranoia bogged them down...

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"digging up" is a funny choice of words considering he's 82 years old.
I try, my friend. I certainly try.

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[LiquidCourage]

The Democrats are going to fall flat on their faces again, and thank God for that.

Their entire campaign is going to be based on "Reasons you shouldn't vote for Bush"

[LiquidCourage]

Mojo, your first post is one of the smartest things I've ever heard a liberal say in a long time.

After Bush was confirmed, I heard all these liberals completely outraged that Gore lost.

All I could think was, "If you're really a liberal, then you shouldn't care if Al Gore is in office or not. Instead of a Republican you'd have a Republican lite."

[golfcourseguy]

I guess I'm going to answer my own question if I said,"what about Bill Bradley?". I can't remember if he made it to the democratic primary ,I think he did and I voted for him but...?




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[grandzu]

What if McCain changed parties and ran against Bush? It can happen.

[LiquidCourage]

It would still be a Republican versus a Republican.

McCain is very independent, but he's still a conservative at heart.

I guess he's one of the few with the balls to speak up for what he thinks.

He's not just one of these "cookie cutter conservatives"

[pennington]

What if McCain changed parties and ran against Bush? It can happen


I think he wouldn't make it out of the Democratic primary. The hard core vote in primaries and although he is rather liberal, I think they wouldn't consider him one of them.

I think Bush would still beat him in the general election. A lot of McCain's Republican followers would consider him a traitor and I think the left wing voters of the Democratic party would stay home and not vote.

[NewYorkDragons80]

What if McCain changed parties and ran against Bush? It can happen.
No it can't. As moderate as McCain is, the least he has ever voted with the Republicans is somewhere in the high 60's.*** For him to switch to Democrats would mean that he would either change his platform A LOT, or the Democrats would have to be willing to bring in a candidate who would not fight for their policies, assuming McCain wins.

McCain is wildly popular where he is, so why would he ruin that? As we speak, he is setting up his reelection campaign. Would YOU like to run against him and get a maximum of 30% of the vote? Unfortunately for our democracy, most people walk in the polls and click on the elephant or the donkey even if Washington himself was the Reform candidate. I would love to see McCain run as an independent and spend his term free from the needs of a single party and a true servant to his constituency, but come on, this is America.

***(There's a website out there that shows the percentage a congressman votes with his/her party, the president, etc, but I can't find it. If anyone knows the address, please post.)

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[LiquidCourage]

It's a good thing McCain didn't win the primaries and eventually go on to be the President.
I'd be scared he'd be at a meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan and have flashbacks to his days of torture in a tiger cage at the Hanoi Hilton.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I'd be scared he'd be at a meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan and have flashbacks to his days of torture in a tiger cage at the Hanoi Hilton.
First, Japanese are actually very different looking from Vietnamese. Asians do not look alike to other Asians. This is a thread for another day, but a Japanese man in Taipei sticks out like Manute Bol at a Shriners Convention.

Second, the tiger cages were actually a tactic of the South Vietnamese. I'm not questioning the practice or our support for the RVN, but just a little tidbit that I thought I should share.

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[LiquidCourage]

I'm messing around deek.
I'm not going to get into a historical debate here.

Saying the PM of Cambodia or Laos would be much closer culturally, but there's no reason the President would be hanging around with them.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I'm messing around deek.
I'm not going to get into a historical debate here.
You're obviously at the wrong message board, :)

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