NYC Cops may be given "spy powers" [Archive]

DarkHippie

02-14-2003, 04:17 AM

http://news.findlaw.com/ap/other/1110/2-12-2003/20030212100005_33.html

What frightens me about this is how far-reaching a rewriting of a law is. They can investigate any group on a whim, and long after this current conflict is over. What freedom we give up now in pace of fear, we may find that we never get back.

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FiveB247

02-14-2003, 07:11 AM

Want to see another item with similar powers. Check this artivle out from the INS and a suggested mention of virtually gettting rid of habias corpus. (also note it is from 2001)

(http://www.usvisanews.com/memo1433.html)

furie

02-14-2003, 07:16 AM

I'd be more worried about abuses from the FBI with the new Homeland Security bill. The FBI has the will and the way to invade people's privacy. NYPD, for the most part, is busy tring to keep everything safe. The FBI have nothing but time on their hands now.

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GaryWyze

02-14-2003, 07:33 AM

So when Chris the Cop calls in with a Spy Report, we better take him seriously.

When are you people gonna realize that we're at war? While we're busy watching Joe Millionaire and seeing how many hookers we can kill on GTA, thouands of American soldiers are prepared to die for our freedom.... and yet we bitch and moan at the prospect of having to temporarily sacrifice some of it.

Disgusting! No wonder our enemies have no respect for us!!

TheMojoPin

02-14-2003, 09:18 AM

Narc, narc, NAAAAAAARRRRRC!!! Shun Gary, SHUN HIMMMMM!!!

Yeah, but seriously, we all now what human nature is like..."professionals" or not, there's gonna be a LOT of "recreational" peeping going on...

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ChrisTheCop

02-14-2003, 09:28 AM

<html> <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/hi/SpyVsSpy/images/img21.gif"> </html> A small army of nypd spies have already been dispatched to websites hosted across the city. We're watching you! But seriously folks..I agree with Gary. We're at war, and there has to be some expansion of effort. There cant only be one Jack Bauer (he's in California ya know). But keep in mind, this is America. There will always be checks and balances. For far too long, our police have slowly been losing powers due to liberal lawsuits. If now isnt the time to give em back more power, then when? If youre not a terrorist, you have little to worry about.

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TheMojoPin

02-14-2003, 09:45 AM

So we DO get to take most of this away when the "war on terror" is over, right? Or will the "war on rappers" make it an ongoing necessity?

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The Blowhard

02-14-2003, 11:55 AM

I say we give the NYPD Phasers set on "kill" and let them shoot as they please.
Let's face it. If You are wrongly arrested you probably did something bad anyway. People have to learn how to behave and respect the Police.
And "foot posts" near bridges and tunnels are useless.
Okay, maybe the Phasers could be set on "stun". I'm mellowing with age.

Heavy

02-14-2003, 12:17 PM

I love this new terrorist unit, or whatever its called, that thay have. I think theyre the cops you see all over with the black uniforms and machine guns. A certain amount of police should be given this right but they should get special traing and be in units that are designed to do this type of work.

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02-14-2003, 01:27 PM

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satan-2

02-14-2003, 01:59 PM

When are you people gonna realize that we're at war? While we're busy watching Joe Millionaire and seeing how many hookers we can kill on GTA, thouands of American soldiers are prepared to die for our freedom.... and yet we bitch and moan at the prospect of having to temporarily sacrifice some of it.

first of all they are not dying for my freedom. the war is not here in the U.S. if the war was here, on U.S. soil yes i would agree 100%. but they are not. this 'war' is about OIL. no oil, no cars on highways. no cars on highways, no money for FORD and GM. no money for FORD and GM, no investors and stockholders. no investors and stockholders, well then say hello to another great depression.

as for you heckler, for someone who is smart, damn this was stupid.

Let's face it. If You are wrongly arrested you probably did something bad anyway. People have to learn how to behave and respect the Police.

so if you get wrongly arrested, that means you also did something wrong. maybe when you were a kid you most likely did something wrong. so it's ok to arrest you for that then right. it's wrong isn't it. according to this statement.

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later

satan-2

02-14-2003, 02:14 PM

What frightens me about this is how far-reaching a rewriting of a law is. They can investigate any group on a whim, and long after this current conflict is over. What freedom we give up now in pace of fear, we may find that we never get back.

the 50's and 60's were all about spying. lives were ruined because people were accused of being commies. would you like to be blacklisted? of course not. i love of my freedoms and don't want to lose them, EVER.

instead of progressing we are regressing to a very dark time in U.S. history. let's not revisit the past.

god is an absentee LANDLORD!!!

later

GaryWyze

02-14-2003, 02:53 PM

first of all they are not dying for my freedom. the war is not here in the U.S. if the war was here, on U.S. soil yes i would agree 100%. but they are not.

Tell that to the people who died on September the 11th. Oh wait, you cant...they're dead.

You're talking apples and falafle balls here. Because I was refering to our soldiers in such places as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc., not in Iraq, per se.

Yes, there probably are correlations between the Taliban and Iraq, but that's not what is at issue here.

The topic of conversation here is laws such as the PATRIOT act, designed to give domestic agencies more freedom in tracking down terrorist and monitoring their activity.

In this war, the war on terrorism, the enemy definitely lives among us. And they don't play by any rules at all. If we wanna win this thing, we're gonna have to level the playing field a bit.

It really is that simple!

satan-2

02-14-2003, 02:57 PM

In this war, the war on terrorism, the enemy definitely lives among us. And they don't play by any rules at all. If we wanna win this thing, we're gonna have to level the playing field a bit.

ok, why don't you move to china then? it's safe there. gov't agencies have and can do what ever they want.

my point is, i love my freedoms. i don't want to lose them. if you want to give up a lot of your freedoms in the name of 'safety for us all' then i suggest you move to china or maybe cuba. those gov'ts control everything. and if you are a law abiding citizen there, you will do fine.

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later

FiveB247

02-14-2003, 03:12 PM

Tell the victims of 9-11? Talk about taking a group of people and using their name in vain! The people in those buildings had no aspirations of fighting wars and you can't say that they represent our need to keep the enemies of the world in line. What happened to those people is a tragedy. But don't assume or befriend them to a cause they don't or can't claim to be just. If I die tomorrow from a terrorist attack, I don't wish the US or any people to kill others on my behalf. Remember the victims of 9-11 as that, innocent victims....not martyrs for the US democratic ways of life. To say such this is honestly offensive to the people who were lost.

I respect anyone in the military for putting their life in harms way. That is noble and can't be argued. But to say simply that they are defending our way of life, defend us and that it's ...well it's a very simplified version of ideas. The military, whether in an agressive mode or defensive mode is representing our governments interests in the world. To create a stability for our way of life (which sometimes includes protecting and supporting tyrannical governments and dictators). Our nation is never completely in the right...nor always completely in the wrong.

GaryWyze

02-14-2003, 03:23 PM

Hmmmmm, move to china or cuba, or stay here.

Well, I really do love chinese food. And it would be nice not to have to go all the way to Canada to get my cuban cigars.

But on the other hand, all my friends and family live here. And I really do love my country.

What to do, what to do? Fuck! I think I'll just stay here and hope that most americans understand that the only real way to ensure our enduring freedom might be to temporarily sacrifice some of it.

Considering how lucky and blessed we've been, not to mention for how long a time, I don't think that's so much to ask.

GaryWyze

02-14-2003, 03:40 PM

Tell the victims of 9-11? Talk about taking a group of people and using their name in vain! The people in those buildings had no aspirations of fighting wars and you can't say that they represent our need to keep the enemies of the world in line.

When reading, it's also important to comprehend.

I said "tell that to those who died on 9/11" in answer to a claim that this war doesn't directly affect us here (on American soil).

The war on terror is being fought to stop terrorism attacks like the ones on 9/11.

Again, we're mixing subject matter here. We're not talking about the war on Iraq. This thread is about laws passed to combat terrorism. See. it's that whole comprehension thing all over again.

A.J.

02-14-2003, 03:40 PM

The people in those buildings had no aspirations of fighting wars and you can't say that they represent our need to keep the enemies of the world in line.

Even those people who were killed in the Pentagon attack?

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satan-2

02-14-2003, 03:41 PM

What to do, what to do? Fuck! I think I'll just stay here and hope that most americans understand that the only real way to ensure our enduring freedom might be to temporarily sacrifice some of it.

ok let's talk sacrifice.

dude our fore fathers had to win their freedom. (remember july 4th) it wasn't handed out to them. they had to win it. if we decide that it's ok to lose our freedom in the name of "security" one day we are going to have to fight back to get our freedoms back. and gov't will ABSOLUTELY NOT, give it back to us so easily. freedoms that people like you decided to give up. are you willing to sacrifice your life so that your kids can have the same freedoms that we currently have.

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later

FiveB247

02-14-2003, 04:03 PM

No...actually there are the same thing...cause our government wishes to pursue war in Iraq in name of the war against terrorism. Which is still completely untrue and has yet to be connected.

And as for the people in the Pentagon...they are working directly for the government...so obviously that's not the same.

If you want to simplify and overlook facts and such in order to get results like to end terrorism...simply push for the US to remove troops and influence throughout the world...that'd be as rational. The war on terrorism is and will be about as succesful as the war on drugs...Push down on one place..and it pops up somewhere else.

GaryWyze

02-14-2003, 04:15 PM

are you willing to sacrifice your life so that your kids can have the same freedoms that we currently have.

Yes, sir, I am.

But I've also been known to once risk my life in an effort to see how fast my motorcycle could go, so don't go by me.

The gov't isn't asking us to give up our freedom of speech. Or assembly. Or religion. Or any of the other *rights* we're so fortunate to have here.

They want to be able to more effectively monitor domestic activity and detain suspected terrorist. In a perfect world they could do that under the current laws, laws designed to catch pick-pockets and prevent auto theft.

The stakes here are much higher that that. You sound like a pretty patriotic person, why not trust your president and our gov't a little more? This is a democracy, a majority of Americans can change the rules each and every four years. How exactly would things ever get to the point where we'd have to overthrow the government? Unless you're suggesting that allowing the NYPD to set up wire taps will one day lead to us losing the right to vote.

Sorry, but I think your concerns amount to little more than unfounded paranoia.

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GaryWyze

02-14-2003, 04:23 PM

No...actually there are the same thing...cause our government wishes to pursue war in Iraq in name of the war against terrorism.

False. This administration has been very deliberate in laying out the case for war with Iraq, and although there probably is a tie between Saddam and Al-Queda, our government has yet to exploit it.

For more on this, read the transcript of Powell's address to the United Nations.

A.J.

02-14-2003, 04:53 PM

And as for the people in the Pentagon...they are working directly for the government...so obviously that's not the same.

So all government workers (military and civilian) are therefore "legitimate targets"?

Hmmm...that'll be comforting to the families of those people killed in the Khobar Towers, the African Embassies, aboard the USS Cole and at the Pentagon. We weren't in a state of war at the time so there shouldn't be some sort of retribution for those attacks?

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satan-2

02-14-2003, 05:06 PM

The gov't isn't asking us to give up our freedom of speech. Or assembly. Or religion. Or any of the other *rights* we're so fortunate to have here

a quote from Fez:
how do you know?

are you in there heads. no you are not so please don't assume that.

god is an absentee LANDLORD!!!

later

satan-2

02-14-2003, 05:11 PM

no i don't trust. and i'll tell you why. you can do the research if you want.

during the nuclear testing years the gov't decided to innoculate people. so they chose a small town around new mexico or arizona. don't remember exactly but that's besides the point. these people were innoculated by the gov't. years later a lot of these people started to die of cancer and having deformed kids.

the innoculation was a dose of RADIATION. the gov't wanted to see what happens to the human body when radiation is introduced to it.

here's another reason, the army in the 1800's giving blankets, to the american indians infected with small pox.

if you want more reasons watch the history channel.

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FiveB247

02-14-2003, 05:53 PM

Ok first...no tie has been linked between Iraq and al Quada or terrorism. The US alluded to such notions...but with nothing more then the logic of the Kevin Bacon Game. If you don't believe such ideas....check out The Council on Foreign Relations (www.cfr.org). They are a formidable source and have no agenda's to push.

And as for other reasons to attack Iraq? Where is the solid evidence? Not a PowerPoint presentation of what a portable chemical developer looks like...those were drawings you know. Nothing has been found by the UN inspectors, and they have all access. So if the US knows where these items they refer to...why aren't they saying so and not only that...why aren't they showing people where they are? Without proof, it's just rhetoric and Bs. If Bush and Powell claim to see an alien and show you a drawing of one..do you take their word on that too? I mean seriously, don't you find it the least bit odd to all the lengths the US is going to, without showing actual pictures, locations, proof!

And as you for AJinDC...

Any American overseas, (civilian, traveler or military) whether it's pre-9-11 or post...is always a target. That's not a new notion. It's just a matter of how dangerous the region you are in.

And as for the attacks you mentioned, we did bomb several targets in response to the USS Cole.

And if you believe that the US embassies and bases are well appreciated everywhere they are residing...you're crazy. Most of them look closer to forts with military posts, barb-wire and such (and all for good reason).

You talk of civilian casualties? The US has supported (economically or militarily) some of the most evil dictators that brutally committed crimes against innocents and civilians. The likes of Pinochet, Pol Pot, Suharto and even the one we claim to be so evil nowadays...Sadam. So where's your logic in protection of the innocent? Certainly not by this country.