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FMJeff
01-20-2003, 06:26 PM
Darkhawk...what the fuck...he got his ass handed to him in every fucking issue. That amulet fell off if he fucking sneezed. Fuck you Darkhawk.

Cage...ugh...I'm black, I'll beat you up, give me my own comic book. Die.

Any character in Alpha Flight including Northwind, that fag.

Any character in Excalibur, big toothed British douchebags.

The West Coast Avengers...not the team itself, but the idea that Marvel had to relocate a handful of members to Cali to beat some LA enemy ass.

Ugh. Hawkeye rules.



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Anakin Skywalker
01-20-2003, 06:33 PM
What the fuck was up when they created Nova? He had a fuckin bucket on his head!

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malachi
01-20-2003, 06:36 PM
Dazzler was hot but lame.
She had the powers of a disco ball!!

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Anakin Skywalker
01-20-2003, 06:37 PM
If you mentioned Dazzler, what about Longshot? He was queer too

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schmega
01-20-2003, 06:44 PM
gambit charges shit up. thats legit. his cajun-ness, however, is lame.

forge. his mutant ability's being able to invent ANYTHING. get the fuck outta here. it seems marvel needed a mutant quota to fill, and someone just got lazy.

angel sucks with his regular wings.

Anakin Skywalker
01-20-2003, 06:50 PM
No offense to anyone here but whose idea was it to make the hulk gray?

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Se7en
01-20-2003, 07:17 PM
Darkhawk...what the fuck...he got his ass handed to him in every fucking issue. That amulet fell off if he fucking sneezed. Fuck you Darkhawk.

The recent War Machine maxi-series made Darkhawk much more interesting.

He became an insane cyborg with a tendency to dismember anyone near him. S.H.I.E.L.D. controlled him, as best they could.

Cage...ugh...I'm black, I'll beat you up, give me my own comic book. Die.

Modern day Cage is one smooth soul brotha. He digs fucking white chicks in the ass. I refuse to acknowledge his "Power Man" days.

Any character in Alpha Flight including Northwind, that fag.

It's Northstar. He's now part of the Uncanny X-Men team. I think the character has been given a nice revamp at the hands of Chuck Austin, who's made him an arrogant, aristocratic prick who's currently in love with Bobby "Iceman" Drake (it's unrequited though).

The West Coast Avengers...not the team itself, but the idea that Marvel had to relocate a handful of members to Cali to beat some LA enemy ass.

I liked Tigra. Cat-girls rule.

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CYYYFYYY
01-20-2003, 07:35 PM
Doc Strange
Invaders
Quasar
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TheMojoPin
01-20-2003, 08:03 PM
The New Warriors BLEW. Speedball?!?! Yeah, good call...

Pretty much any new title launched by marvel from about 1988 until 1998 was flat out, fucknutingly awful. Everyone had a bajillion series...Punisher had like 4 titles, even Ghost Rider had two titles and like three spin-offs...

EXCELSIOR MY ASS.

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FMJeff
01-20-2003, 09:24 PM
i dont think ive ever laughed out loud at a thread...until now.





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Dewey
01-20-2003, 09:31 PM
Venus No. 2, the blind guy who gave people lead poisoning with his pencils, stunk. I guess that's why it was yanked after only a few issues.

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bisqit999
01-20-2003, 10:25 PM
I always hated Quasar, is he even still around? I haven't bought a comic in years.

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01-21-2003, 04:41 AM
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The wild wind-borne wailer, Banshee The amazing mutant with a mighty mouth. Too bad this couldn't be a chick that gives awesome BJ's Sadily this is a guy. How lame!!!

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FMJeff
01-21-2003, 06:00 AM
don't forget about Jubilee...nice powers you c

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angrymissy
01-21-2003, 06:16 AM
what about Longshot
I like, had the hots for longshot when I was a kid.

Actually if you get the Longshot series, its not that bad, kind of interesting actually

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TheMojoPin
01-21-2003, 07:22 AM
The Beyonder. Jim Shooter should be fucking flogged with binding staples. He killed Defiant, ran Marvel into the ground in the 80's with Goodwin, and that line of Broadway Comics he tried to release a few years back actually burned my eyes.

Force Works. Hey, West Coast Avengers sucked! Let's try and trick people by keeping the buttmanglingly awful team, but giving it a new name! DOUCHES FOR ALL.

She-Hulk. Alright, the whole "she knows she's in a comic!" deal was cute when Byrne started her own series and ran it for a few dozen issues, but then when he left, it just made her seem psychotic whenever she showed up in any other title. And who the fuck let her on the Fantastic Four? That's even worse than when they hired a Thing with tits.

Cable. Everything that had anything to do with X-Force. ANYTHING MOTHERFUCKING LIEFELD FUCKS WITH HIS LEVIS 501-COVERED MIDGET WANG. What a mercilessly untalented hack. Just because you HANG OUT with McFarlane and Jim Lee doesn't actually make you a decent artist. All of his "action poses" make it look like his characters are breaking into synchronized dance routines (POP 'N LOCK, MOTHERBITCHES!) while hosting facial expressions that can only be described as a cross between "complete rectal prolapse" and "Popeye used my sac for a speedbag."

I'm not alone in my hatred for this tool, this gimp that practically wrecked the comic boom of the late 80's and early 90's. Look on and see...

http://ape-law.com/GAF/Page29/fanboy.html

And while I love McFarlane as an artist, those issues of "Spider-Man" he wrote are some of the most baffingly awful tripe ever spewed out from the "House of Ideas"...looks like Toddy couldn't..."RISE ABOVE IT ALL!!!" A-geh-geh-geh...wow, I'm a dork.

And Psylocke sucked. Captain Britain's sister? Who became an Asian ninja with tits bigger than my head? Where did I miss the memo for that?

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Green Lantern
01-21-2003, 07:33 AM
The Fabulous Frog-Man
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Eugene Patilio, a young boy with a ridiculous name, decides to use an even more ridiculous name, The Fabulous Frog-Man, to fight crime. He uses one of his father's costumes and goes out to find some crime to fight. What a pussy!!!


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jratt
01-21-2003, 09:31 AM
cable is real good now check it out......The new warriors sucked spider ass....rage sucked...speedball sucked....firestar sucked...cage sucked but now he rules...so many bad ones.....spidermans clone realy sucked

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01-21-2003, 05:00 PM
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MANS CLONE... WHEN THAT
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FOR LIKE A YEAR UNTIL SOMEONE
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jafter
01-21-2003, 05:35 PM
I never really understood the character VISION.

He was an android with the avengers, but what the hell did he do.

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WintersEmbers
01-21-2003, 06:17 PM
okay the scarlet spider as a character was not bad, ben was not a bad character in fact during that stretch i liked him a hell of a lot more than peter, but i think thats where it should have stayed ben as the scarlet spider, peter as spider-man and you have ben move out of new york YOU DO NOT make ben the real spider man fuck with years of continuity then realize you pissed people off and kill a perfectly good character.

as for crappy characters, Quicksilver never did it for me, european flash, whoopee! and as long as we're talking buckets on heads look up the old avengers villain whirlwind....UGH

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CaptClown
01-21-2003, 06:21 PM
You all are forgetting about Paste Pot Pete(the Trapster). The worst concept for a super villain ever.http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Trapster/trapster.htm

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Reiko Hidama
01-21-2003, 07:22 PM
You know who pissed me off? When Superman got split into those two stupid little lightning bolts things, one red and one blue, and were in someones stomach with Atom. It was so bad.... Oh and also Bishop's sister sucked.Char? <P>

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WintersEmbers
01-21-2003, 08:22 PM
it was shard

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TheMojoPin
01-21-2003, 10:47 PM
Screw that, Bishop was even worse. "LOOK!!! Here's another X-mystery that a new writer will establish, but then never solve before leaving the title, so it's just carried by the next 15 writers until decades have passed and NOTHING makes sense anymore! YAY!"

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GrimSanity
01-21-2003, 10:53 PM
i can't beleve no one named aquaman the dumbest character in all of comics

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TheMojoPin
01-21-2003, 10:54 PM
Because this eeeeeessss a thread aboot MARVEL comic characters. FANBOY LAW. Obey or be punished!

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Johnny4
01-22-2003, 02:43 AM
The spiderman clone saga made me stop reading spiderman and reading comics all together. It was that bad. Worst hero, have to go with Wonder man. Pussy name and he was an actor. Counterpoint, Juggernaut was always an underated bad guy.

I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything, I wasn't there and if I was there I was asleep.

FMJeff
01-22-2003, 09:47 AM
Superman


MARVEL characters dipshit. Crossovers don't count.

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schmega
01-22-2003, 11:01 AM
dipshit

easy. is that a violation of the forum rules?

this thread just shows what happens when some no-talent writer or artist wants to leave his ugly mark on comicdom. i feel dirtier for having known these lame characters. why not channel your creative juices into working with EXISTING COOL characters instead of making new ones?

Deadpool, Shattershot, lame. Silver Surfer's surfboard and man-glaze, lame.

ToddEVF
01-22-2003, 11:15 AM
No matter what people say.
I HATE DAREDEVIL WITH A PASSION! EVEN MORE NOW THAT BEN AFFLECK IS STARRING AS HIM IN A FEATURE FILM VERSION OF A CRAPPY COMIC!
Ok the kid got blinded and it caused him to have Super Senses? Come on thats mega-lame

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schmega
01-22-2003, 11:20 AM
i'm with you on this todd. i've never given 2 shits about dd, and now that assfuck's playing him, even less.

furie
01-22-2003, 11:27 AM
I have three.
Cypher from the New Mutants. He could translate things?!? fine, put him behind a desk somewhere, why put him in a fight?

Second, Douglock. the reanimated Cypher infected with the transmode virus. there's a reason they killed him in the first place.

Third, Jack of Harts. Just the gayest costume ever!


Doc Strange was a cool concept, just mishandled.

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TheMojoPin
01-22-2003, 11:54 AM
Dardevil's origina is pretty lame...(Well, most of the Marvel characters have lame origins. Got radioactivity? YOU'RE A SUPERHERO!)...but those stores Miller did for him in the 80's and early 90's just strike me as some of the best comics I've ever read. And the storylines Brian Bendis has been writing on the title these days are among the best you're gonna find...

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furie
01-22-2003, 11:57 AM
In Daredevil's defense, The Fall of Kingpin was a good storyline.

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JerryTaker
01-22-2003, 12:10 PM
How about Maverick? The writers couldn't even remember what his powers were between appearences...

And <I>Everything</I> Liefeld did was god-awful. He had a character named "George Washington Bridge" for chrissakes...

I mean, look at all of (the Original) X-Force:
Shatterstar: Longhot squared
Warpath: "We all know Thunderbird died, but, let's say he didn't..."
Feral: Wolfsbane with PMS

IMO, Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee wrote the X-books into such a mess, they couldn't recover until they decided to completely re-write the entire history...


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WintersEmbers
01-22-2003, 01:04 PM
jim lee should only draw comics not write them, and as mojo said im not a big dd guy myself but what bendis is doing is amazing. just give it a try the issue this month is only a quarter and well worth the buy. as far as another shitty character i forgot to mention the Ringer from spiderman fame and just as the name implies this guy shot rings....yea. oh my gawd.

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ToddEVF
01-22-2003, 01:08 PM
what about "The Shocker", "The Vulture", "Rhino", "The Lizard", or "The Scorpion" They were all terrible characters in the Spiderman series

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JerryTaker
01-22-2003, 01:18 PM
jim lee should only draw comics not write them,


He was supposed to only draw, but from what I understand, Lee always sent Claremont these ridiculous action panels, late, and Claremont had to write some sense into them, because there was no time to re-do them. Lee was writing by proxy, and it's one of the reasons why Claremont quit marvel.

I remember hearing this years ago, so I apologize if there have since been conflicting reports about how the X-MEN Claremont / Lee relationship went down


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FMJeff
01-22-2003, 02:03 PM
I kind of like Lee and Liefeld, only because they represented an "MTV renaissance" in comic book design, the high energy/big muscles/big tits/huge action bs that later became the Image trademark. I never liked Mignola, you fucking piece of shit block artist...stay out of comic books.

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WintersEmbers
01-22-2003, 04:14 PM
all of those characters that you just mentioned todd would not be so lame if they werent used horibbly, if you look at some of paul jenkins work in peter parker with hydro and sandman youd think differently about the not so amazing spider man villains
although type face and frog man did suck.

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furie
01-22-2003, 04:31 PM
Shittiest Marvel Characters? Power Pack.
What more needs to be said?

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Lucento
01-22-2003, 05:50 PM
Galacticus is cool, but whats up with that helmet? Hed be banging into every door frame he walked through!
What are the odds Dr Octopus would have OCT in his name?
Otto Octavious?? It seems the villians had a tendency to have charichters who had their abilitys or phisical attricutes in their name somehow..what was the name of the guy who was like a crocodile? Draco? He was always in Spiderman

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Se7en
01-22-2003, 07:04 PM
I have three.
Cypher from the New Mutants. He could translate things?!? fine, put him behind a desk somewhere, why put him in a fight?
Second, Douglock. the reanimated Cypher infected with the transmode virus. there's a reason they killed him in the first place.

The recent Exiles storyline shows the potential that Doug / Douglock could have had, i.e. the Phalanx (the Marvel version of the Borg).

Doc Strange was a cool concept, just mishandled.

Right. The biggest problem with Doc Strange is that they made him a superhero.

Marvel should take a hint from DC, and make a new Strange comic with a definite Vertigo-style flavor.

Dardevil's origina is pretty lame...(Well, most of the Marvel characters have lame origins. Got radioactivity? YOU'RE A SUPERHERO!)...

Joe Michael Straczynski is currently revamping the Spider-Man origin in a VERY cool way.

How about Maverick? The writers couldn't even remember what his powers were between appearences...

Which was stupid, because he worked pretty well as a basic mercenary character.

what about "The Shocker", "The Vulture", "Rhino", "The Lizard", or "The Scorpion" They were all terrible characters in the Spiderman series

I disagree. As a Spider-Man fan, I think they're all fine SM villains. Sorry if they're not as cool as Venom.

I kind of like Lee and Liefeld, only because they represented an "MTV renaissance" in comic book design, the high energy/big muscles/big tits/huge action bs that later became the Image trademark. I never liked Mignola, you fucking piece of shit block artist...stay out of comic books.

*shocked into silence*

My......God.

Someone who DISRESPECTS Mignola, and then in the same paragraph gives props to those two.....wow.

I'll just say this - years from now, in the "artform" of comics, Mignola is likely the only one of those three who's work will actually gain critical recognition.


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FMJeff
01-22-2003, 07:23 PM
fuck Mignola, and fuck Hellboy.

if i wanted impressionism, i'd visit a Monet gallery...

Look, if you're trying to tell me you'd walk by a rack of Lee or Liefeld (in the early days, when they were new and hot) books, you'd turn and pick up the Mignola? UGH, awful.

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Look at his rendition of Spawn.

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BATMAN??? HUH? Nice gun.

AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL!

JIM LEE.
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much MUCH better...

Liefeld.

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FMJeff
01-22-2003, 07:35 PM
by the way, FIN FANG FOOM, gayest name for a cool character ever...fucking kick ass gigantic dragon and he gets FIN FANG FOOM....

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TheMojoPin
01-22-2003, 11:29 PM
Forget the name...Fin Fang Foom WEARS FUCKING PURPLE PANTS AND HE'S A GINORMOUS DRAGON.

Joe Michael Straczynski is currently revamping the Spider-Man origin in a VERY cool way.

I've been reading the trade paperbacks...they've only collected up to the point where he goes to Cali to see MJ and busts it up with Doc Ock. So far there's been the rich, older guy with Spider-powers, the weird superpower "vampire", and Spidey having a very weird encounter with some sort of spider-"essence" when he was tossed into the astral plane by Doc Strange. So from what I can gather, it's being hinted that it was "planned" for Spidey to eventually exists, like he's a force of nature or something...whatever happens, I'm loving J.'s take on Spider-Man...

Speaking of Doc Strange, the sucttlebutt is that Quesada is THIS close (Or already has) to pursuading Gaiman to take on Strange in a mini-series, if not an ongoing.

And speaking of Marvel revamps, hot "indie" writers like Morrison (New X-Men), Bendis (Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-Man), Millar (The Ultimates) and Ennis (Punisher) are kicking the hell out of the old classics...and they've even made superheros fun to read again without it being a guilty pleasure. Makes you wonder why Marvel waited so long to make things "smart"...I'm just glad the 90's and their "The artist uber ALLES" horseshit are over...the writer is back in charge. Shit, there's even talk of Alan Moore doing a Marvel project.

And Mignola is awesome. Hellboy is one of my favorite titles in the last 15 years. That Batman print looks fantastic to me...but Jeff, why not find some better Lee artwork? The man IS one of the few "superstar" artists who actually delivered...he's drawing Batman now, and it's a thing of beauty. But Liefeld is the devil, pure and simple. He and Jim Shooter are basically comics cancer

So...when are we getting the R&F comic book board?!? It must be done...

PS-I just read the new Daredevil hardcover by Bendis...first he drops "tookie" in "Ultimate Spider-Man", now he mentiones Opie and Anthony in "Daredevil". Could Brian Micahel Bendis be a WNEW fan? One could hope...

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JerryTaker
01-23-2003, 08:53 AM
Liefeld.


uch, I'm sorry, but his pages were too "busy" looking. everyone looked the same, and there are thousands of hashmarks all over the place. all those criss-crossing lines give me such a headache, and everyone looks constapated, with their teeth bared.

I admire Lee's work, though he can get a little "random line happy" himself, and his panels tend to get repetetive, but he gets props for Rogue's "savage land" costume...

oh, and Obligatory bad character: "Erik the Red" Come on! He's invented by Cyclops, then turns out to not only be a real person, but looks exactly the same as Cyke imagined him? Do they even read their own material?

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JustJon
01-23-2003, 09:56 AM
If you don't think Daredevil is cool, rad Frank Miller Daredevil and you'll never say that again.


Paste Pot Pete. Lamest character ever. So lame, they even said it in the comic book. He could shoot glue out of these things attached to his arm connected to a tank (think Pyro), and wore a giant paste cap on his head.


Oh, and Claremont would write Uncanny X-Men, send the breakdown to Jim Lee and Lee would change it on Claremont, making the story a mess. The most common story is where Claremont had the X-Men written to fight some army or cyborgs or something as part of the story and Lee said "I don't wanna draw those, I wanna draw ninjas," and he did, making the story make very little sense.

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FMJeff
01-23-2003, 10:37 AM
And Mignola is awesome. Hellboy is one of my favorite titles in the last 15 years. That Batman print looks fantastic to me...but Jeff, why not find some better Lee artwork? The man IS one of the few "superstar" artists who actually delivered...he's drawing Batman now, and it's a thing of beauty. But Liefeld is the devil, pure and simple. He and Jim Shooter are basically comics cancer


I dunno, I just don't get it. Chalk it up to personal preference, I guess.

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furie
01-23-2003, 12:50 PM
Galacticus is cool, but whats up with that helmet? Hed be banging into every door frame he walked through!


ofcourse he'd be banging into every door frame, he's 50 meters tall!

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FMJeff
01-23-2003, 01:02 PM
meters


You metric fag. This is america. Go back to Europe.

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furie
01-23-2003, 01:05 PM
You metric fag. This is america. Go back to Europe.



Not only is he 50 meters tall, he weighs almost 540 stones!

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DarkHippie
01-23-2003, 01:31 PM
what do want, he's the "eater of worlds"

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TheMojoPin
01-23-2003, 01:34 PM
Do you think Galactus and Unicron ever pitched a cosmic hissyfit at each other when they both tried to knosh the same planet?

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furie
01-23-2003, 01:36 PM
interesting....I'd have to go with Galactus in this one

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grlNIN
01-23-2003, 01:47 PM
DaredDevil was gay, im sorry but the whole concept of "when they were young some life changing diaster morphed them into a superbeing" Theyre superheroes, enough said we dont need any extensive background knowledge unless its Spiderman cuz lets face it, Spiderman is the shiznit

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DarkHippie
01-23-2003, 01:51 PM
i gotta stop all the Daredevil hating. DD is one of the best characters that Marvel ever developed. His character, and the characters around him were all so complex. the son of a prizefighter on the take from the mob, yet still had a strong catholic upbringing. Becomes a famous defense attorney (which means he's often defending in court the people whose ass he kicked the night before). His girlfriend became a pornstar and heroin addict (and got the Ninja). And the stories written by frank miller are some of the best comics ever. i haven't even mentioned his great supporting characters like Bullseye, the kingpin, even foggy. All great stuff.

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TheMojoPin
01-23-2003, 01:53 PM
So by that logic...Batman sucks? That's just crazyspeak...

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furie
01-23-2003, 01:55 PM
ofcourse you need an extensive and overly elaborate origin story. ALL heroes have one. How are you going to explain heightened senses and something akin to echo sensory? He just woke up that way?

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schmega
01-23-2003, 02:50 PM
fin fang foom's a GREAT name. it sounds stupid, yes, but are you gonna tell him that? monosyllabic words that start with f: always funny.

TheMojoPin
01-23-2003, 03:17 PM
ofcourse you need an extensive and overly elaborate origin story. ALL heroes have one. How are you going to explain heightened senses and something akin to echo sensory? He just woke up that way?

You're talking like it's anymore ridiculous than Spider-Man's origin. He was hit by the experimental radioactive isotope, it left him blind, but his other senses heightened. When DD has a good writer, they can really whip out some great stories just on the unique aspect of his powers alone...how he senses everything through touch, smell or sound.

There was a great line about Daredevil's origin in a recent issue that played on the whole "Radiation makes GOOD in Marvel world!" idea...an FBI agent has just found out who Daredevil really is and how he got his powers...and he makes the little aside, "you know what would happen if I was hit in the face with a radioactive isotope? I'd get leukemia and die."

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furie
01-23-2003, 03:59 PM
You're talking like it's anymore ridiculous than Spider-Man's origin.


no, that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm saying that the elaborate origin is a necessary part of comics.

And it's also what makes most X-characters boring. no origin. Most loved x-man? Wolverine, who happens to have a kick ass origin.

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01-23-2003, 06:20 PM
Look, if you're trying to tell me you'd walk by a rack of Lee or Liefeld (in the early days, when they were new and hot) books, you'd turn and pick up the Mignola? UGH, awful.

Yes, I would actually.

Look, I don't think you're going to win too much support from comic fans. Liefeld is largely either hated, or treated as a joke. [As an aside, it's been proving that he's not terribly innovative either, as he's known to copy the work of others - down to the actual poses.]

Lee still has fans, and I don't think he's that bad, but he's not a favorite of mine and I think his style represents more flash than substance.
Some of the more diehard comic fans view him as a sellout, too.

For whatever it's worth to be remembered in the halls of comic book history, Mignola's going to wind up with a better reputation and more respect than Lee / Liefeld.

So from what I can gather, it's being hinted that it was "planned" for Spidey to eventually exists, like he's a force of nature or something...whatever happens, I'm loving J.'s take on Spider-Man...

Yeah, I'm digging it too. It's better than the radioactive spider bullshit, huh? ;)

Speaking of Doc Strange, the sucttlebutt is that Quesada is THIS close (Or already has) to pursuading Gaiman to take on Strange in a mini-series, if not an ongoing.

o.O Dude, don't even get my hopes up. That would be the best thing. EVER.

And speaking of Marvel revamps, hot "indie" writers like Morrison (New X-Men), Bendis (Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-Man), Millar (The Ultimates) and Ennis (Punisher) are kicking the hell out of the old classics...and they've even made superheros fun to read again without it being a guilty pleasure. Makes you wonder why Marvel waited so long to make things "smart"...I'm just glad the 90's and their "The artist uber ALLES" horseshit are over...the writer is back in charge. Shit, there's even talk of Alan Moore doing a Marvel project.

Exactly. I have to give Bendis his due for his amazing work with Daredevil (there's definitely more of a "true crime" feel to the book now), and for Morrison on New X-Men. I know X-Men fans who don't like Morrison's work on the title. That confuses me, as in my opinion the man has made the book more interesting and entertaining than it's been in YEARS.

PS-I just read the new Daredevil hardcover by Bendis...first he drops "tookie" in "Ultimate Spider-Man", now he mentiones Opie and Anthony in "Daredevil". Could Brian Micahel Bendis be a WNEW fan? One could hope...

He must be a fan of "shock" radio, because he drops Stern's name in Ul. S-M occasionally. I've seen it at least 2 or 3 times in different issues.

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TheMojoPin
01-23-2003, 06:50 PM
Liefeld frustrates me because he makes bizarre decisions. Alright, he gets booted/quits from Image, and goes out on his own to start the unbelievably-stupidly-named Awesome Entertainment, populated with all of his Image characters. To clear up all the overlapping continuity with the other Image companies, he wisely and incredibly hires THE Alan Moore as his chief writer.

Moore proves his brilliance again by taken one of the most poorly written and planned out comic worlds and actually makes it work. He does a big ol' crossover mini-series that ties everything together, and then becomes the head writer on the two flagship titles: "Supreme" and "Youngblood".

And lo and behold, they're awesome. Especially "Supreme". Moore does it like a whole Superman parody/parable, and a reflection of the history of comics. Things are great for a year or so, Awesome iis getting hype and great reviews. But Liefeld runs out of money. He basically has enough scratch to keep ONE title going. So what does he do? Does he collapse everything into one title and keep Moore on? NO. Liefeld gives Moore the boot, and keeps the title that HE (Liefeld) was doing the art and writing chores on. Naturally, it folds after a few more months.

In terms of running his company, Lee is like the much smarter anti-Liefeld. And again, it involves Alan Moore.

Lee's Wildstorm was probably the most off-schedule of the Image companies outside of Liefeld's. And most of the titles LOOKED great, had great ideas, but ended up being really flat and dull.

So around '99, he hires Warren Ellis to write "Stormwatch". "'Watch" was always a great idea: a group of superheros that work for the UN, but it was always poorly handled. Ellis packs it full of moral ambiguity, ethical conflict and politcal intrigue. In my opinion, it became THE best superhero team comic of the 90's. It gets the hype, but doesn't sell too terribly well. Lee needs to cut titles, and unfortunately "'Watch" is one of them. But here's where Lee gets smart.

Ellis doesn't want the series to end. He was basically going to cap it off himself and end the series when it was time. Lee likes this idea and offers a compromise: Dark Horse Comics had called wanting to do yet another Aliens (Like the movies) crossover. Lee offers it to Ellis as the last Stormwatch story. Ellis jumps on it, and actually takes what would have been just another lame cash-in, and actually uses the mini-series to kill off most of the characters he had shaped into such a great time. Awesome capper. Ellis then stays with Wildstorm long enough to create the Stormwatch sequel "The Authority" (What if superheroes finally decided to do whatever they wanted to save the world and become celebrities at the same time) and Planetary (Tits 'n tights meets "X-Files").

So at about the same time, Lee basically offers to sell his imprint to DC, and stay on as editor and like a Stan Lee-type figure. All of the characters he created will become DC property, but anything created by other creators for Wildstorm before and after the sale still remain the creators' property, if they wish. Just before the sale, Lee starts another imprint within Wildstorm called "ABC Comics", which was basically 4, 5 titles written by Alan Moore. ABC makes Wildstorm hot again, DC bites, and Lee's company (Which includes as imprints ABC, Homage (With the awesome "Astro City", and Cliffhanger!) stays afloat.

So what was the point of all this? Lee...smart. And really gives a lot of talent a chance to do what they want. Liefeld...not so smart. Only really thinks of himself, and wouldn't know a good thing if it bit him in the sac.

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FMJeff
01-23-2003, 07:49 PM
look im not blowing Liefeld, I could care less what you guys think of him, I like his stuff...it's fun to look read.

I'm a big Marc Silvestri fan anyway...Cyberforce rocks.

Hey did they ever release Wetworks...motherfuckers....



Thought to consider....Galactus's unit...holy fucking shit...don't get him off unless you want to swim in a Lake Eerie of Jizz

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TheMojoPin
01-23-2003, 08:05 PM
Hey did they ever release Wetworks...motherfuckers....

Next month...no, wait, NEXT month...no, WAIT...

Hey Jeff, did you hear that Silvestri going to do another stint drawing "Wolverine" soon? Niiiiiiiice...

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01-24-2003, 08:06 AM
Hey Jeff, did you hear that Silvestri going to do another stint drawing "Wolverine" soon? Niiiiiiiice...


I guess that Cyber Force money has run out...sorry Mark...

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Mr Self Destruct
01-24-2003, 08:37 AM
Why don't I recognize any of these characters? Daredevil is the only guy I recognize here and he's not nearly as bad as ya'll are making him out to be. I thought he sucked before until I found out he has been around for 40 years(and was at one poitn written by the guy who wrote The Dark Knight returns). As for shitty marvel characters, i'd have to say The Silver Surfer.

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01-24-2003, 09:53 AM
i always thought Boom Boom was a crap character. that slore never should have been recruited by cable.

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JerryTaker
01-24-2003, 10:37 AM
i'd have to say The Silver Surfer.


Surfer's cool, but he <I>does</I> get Runner up in the "bonehead move" award when he missed grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet off Thanos's hand. 1st Place going to Thanos for his decision that results in him losing the Gauntlet anyway...


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01-24-2003, 10:57 AM
OK I think Marvel ran a series where the heroes where characters who were like metal androids or something they had like mercury man and tin man and shit like that. They Really sucked. <P> <P>

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furie
01-24-2003, 11:12 AM
That was DC and it was called Metal Men. I think they got wiped out after Crisis

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jratt
01-24-2003, 11:17 AM
I have been reading x-men for 15 years and morrison on new x-men is the best i have ever read check out this months issue where they have two students trying to have sex just read the dialoge(sp)and not to mention the u-men a group of humans that kill mutants so they can have there organs attached to there bodys and get there powers and then there is xorn a mutant with a head that is a star sounds stupid right....no morrison blew me away with this guy....new x-men is the top 5 book to read every month.....daredevil......great book....alias is a great book....bendis rocks....they fucked up thunderbolts this month was the last time for the regular cast they are redoing it as a fightclub kinda book thats stupid

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01-24-2003, 11:20 AM
Metal Men are still around at S.T.A.R. Labs.

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Lucento
01-24-2003, 08:45 PM
The Shaper of Worlds looks like a skrull half stuck in a box.
Hammerheads power was that he had a metal plate on top of his skull??
If I were Reed Richards, Id make my cock HUGE and fuck Sue and make her turn invisible as my cock was making its way through her digestive system... sorry, I dont know where that came from!
Did you ever think that if you had adamantium claws inside your forearm that would pop out between your knuckles, that the blades would only be maybe 2 to 3 inches longer than your middle finger? Look where your wrist bends and how long your arm is before your elbow, but they make Wolverine look like his claws would touch the ground!

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Se7en
01-24-2003, 09:21 PM
If I were Reed Richards, Id make my cock HUGE and fuck Sue and make her turn invisible as my cock was making its way through her digestive system... sorry, I dont know where that came from!

I'm sufficiently creeped out now.

Dude, you got some issues.

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DarkHippie
01-25-2003, 05:52 AM
Did you ever think that if you had adamantium claws inside your forearm that would pop out between your knuckles, that the blades would only be maybe 2 to 3 inches longer than your middle finger? Look where your wrist bends and how long your arm is before your elbow, but they make Wolverine look like his claws would touch the ground!
I know exactly what you mean. either his sheathed claws have to slide all the way down his forearm, or he wouldn't be able to flex his wrists.

i never liked Wolverine anyway. i think he's overused, and overrated. I gave him a chance, I read "the essential wolverine" and i just couldn't get into him.

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01-25-2003, 08:01 AM
Iron Man sucks.

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DarkHippie
01-25-2003, 08:05 AM
The Ultimates take on Iron Man is pretty cool. He's this rich, arrogant, playboy type always whoring it up for the cameras when he's fighting bad guys. He's a prick, but at least he's got character.

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furie
01-25-2003, 08:13 AM
How about Doc Samson? that guy's got gamma ray envy. He's an even more useless knock-off of the Hulk than she-hulk

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DarkHippie
01-25-2003, 08:57 AM
i never liked Doc Samson. He completely fucks up the concept of gamma rays. If I remember his origin correctly, gamma rays bring out your inner most repressed emotions (banner became the Hulk because he witnessed his mothers murder at the hands of his father, and his own impotence to stop it). are you telling me that Samson became a super hero because his deepest darkest emotion was a desire to be a superhero? according to his origin it is. What bullshit!

hulk's origin: Good
doc Samson's origin: No Good

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CYYYFYYY
01-25-2003, 09:29 AM
I HATE VISION!!!!! I hate all
guys who people gan go through
and crap because basically
Vision can beat anyone if he
had half a brain. Just put
your arm in Thor and then rip
out his fraggen heart!!


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TheMojoPin
01-25-2003, 10:27 AM
Doc Samson is indeed pretty lame...but he was used fantastically in the recent "Banner" mini-series. He was basically just shown to be an arrogant prick-schmuck who gets the crap kicked out of him by the Hulk and can't ever make the right decision. And the final panel of that series is one of the coolest I've ever seen in a comic...stone-cold creepy.

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