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Reephdweller
01-19-2003, 06:00 PM
I just caught the last 1/2 hour of tonights Oz...what happened the first 1/2? Did anyone besides Kareem the muslim guy get wacked?
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DC Reed
01-19-2003, 06:02 PM
The Mayor was killed, because he was like a father to Schillinger. So Beecher had someold guy (name is dodging me) kill him for revenge of schillinger killing his dad.
The Cops got some oh so sweet revenge too.
And cyril is more retarded than ever!
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Steels
01-19-2003, 06:03 PM
I have never seen such a great show turn to such shit the likes of "Oz". For years this was the best show on television. I wouldn't miss an eposide even for a piece of ass. The show went downhill fast after Adebisi was killed in episode #24. Now it's an embarrasment.
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Black_Metal_Jon
01-19-2003, 06:08 PM
When Kareem got shot i couldnt fucking believe it. That guy rocked...total surprise. But I loved when that cop got back at that guy.
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DC Reed
01-19-2003, 06:10 PM
there was that tense two seconds when he didnt shake Kareems hand, and thats when you were like whats wrong? then BAM!
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HomerfromMahopac
01-19-2003, 07:17 PM
THe mayor that was Schillengers friend got whacked. Morales was sent to soitary and the guard cut his tendon. Rebadow and the library chick aere getting closer. Beecher finds out Wintrop whacked his father. Oh Robeson makes a nice prag. Cutler interveines when Chuckie tries to attack his new bitch.
Reephdweller
01-19-2003, 07:22 PM
Rebadow and the library chick aere getting closer.
i've always felt that she'll get raped...probably by him.
as for morales...good he deserved it.
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TheMojoPin
01-19-2003, 09:27 PM
Man, what a great episode. Probably the best out the last two seasons, in my opinion. That scene with O'Reilly, his brother and his mom on death row was stunning.
And Kareen better not be dead. That guy was like a rock.
And every episode I like Burr more and more. He's like an old Popeye cartoon come to life. Now he's trying to do some good, and that chubby punk Poet's probably going to get him shanked. Bah.
And the sequence where the mayor gets killed, and then they cut to all the people reacting, while syncing it all with the frantic cello playing was fantastic. I'm gonna miss the hell outta this show when it's gone...
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The Mayor was killed, because he was like a father to Schillinger. So Beecher had someold guy (name is dodging me) kill him for revenge of schillinger killing his dad.
Actually, it was the Governor who had the Mayor killed, after the Mayor screamed at the the governor.
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Black_Metal_Jon
01-20-2003, 05:54 AM
I was confused about that...I didnt really know who killed the governor.
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fluffernutter
02-04-2003, 04:43 PM
I love every episode that I have seen but there are a few holes. Heh, holes. I was really bummed out to see Saiid killed and yes, Beecher is an idiot but all in the name of manlove for Keller. <P>
Now if my memory could be refreshed here...What exactly happened to Ciro that he became mentally disabled? I watched the first season and the second is on it's way. I saw four and this one but ot three. Who was Luke Perry portraying and how is/was he signifigant to the show? If anyone could fill mylame as in that would be great! <P>
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TheMojoPin
02-04-2003, 06:26 PM
Cyril was rendered brain-damaged in a boxing match when he was an amateur boxer before he went to prison.
Luke Perry played a television evangelist who was sent to Oz for embezzling. He basically challenged Father Ray's "control" of the religious prisoners. Timmy Kirk became a major player during this, going nuts when Luke cast him out...
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XlalaX
02-04-2003, 07:13 PM
why is keller so hot on OZ? Yet on Law and Order SVU, it's just not the same. It's that whole bad boy thing isn't it??? To bad he's in love with a man. I could kill him for doing what he did to Beecher. But Beecher's the fool for falling for it. He's the next to go after Cyril. And do you think O'Reilly and the doctor are going to get back together??? And somethings gonna happen with Pablo, the kid who the librarian is trying to reach out too. These are just my thoughts. I'm too involved in this show.
fluffernutter
02-04-2003, 07:21 PM
Thanks for the info there Mojo and I am an idiot and cannot spell. Break my fingers now. I look forward to the Third Season coming out on DVD. Luke Perry's character didn't die, did he? Last I saw he was still charred.
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Steels
02-04-2003, 07:23 PM
Cyril was rendered brain-damaged in a boxing match when he was an amateur boxer before he went to prison.
You are mistaken.
Cyril incurred brain damaged when he received a viscous blow over the head with a chair.
Ryan and Cyril were attending a funeral and ran into Ryan's X girlfriend. Old flames arose and O'Reiley "Rode the Skin Boat to Tuna-Town". Unfortunately the X's current boyfriend was there, found out and a brawl erupted. During this brawl Cyril was struck in the head bringing about his brain damage.
O'Reily has always felt he was to blame for his brother's condition.
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TheMojoPin
02-04-2003, 07:39 PM
Whoops...when the hell was that revealed?
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TheMojoPin
02-04-2003, 07:40 PM
Luke Perry's character didn't die, did he? Last I saw he was still charred.
"He is risen..."
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FMJeff
02-05-2003, 07:34 AM
im making this the official oz discussion thread so there's not 50 topics about oz...
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GaryWyze
02-05-2003, 07:48 AM
<font color=purple>And do you think O'Reilly and the doctor are going to get back together???
I know he loves her, and there's obviously some kind of bond between them, but were they ever <i>together</i>?
XlalaX
02-05-2003, 07:55 AM
emotionally, for prison life, yes. That constitutes as together.
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02-05-2003, 07:55 AM
double post....sorry
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JimBeam
02-05-2003, 08:46 AM
This is a really great show, despite all the disturbing negative nudity ( read : male nudity ).
Its funny that people bring up Luke Perry's character because not only did he get lost once, but two times in a maximum security prison.
First he's not in his cell ( because he's being walled up in the cafateria ) and nobody worries ?? Than he's in the hospital and disappears and nobody bats an eye ?? Wasn't anybody curious ?
But I guess they never looked for that general guy that was tossed down the elevator shaft.
Oh my girlfriend thinks she saw Robbson in a gym up here in Westchester county. I told her to go up to him with a spoon and ask how Wolfgang was doing.
( Oh and that whole spoon thing was one of the most unsettling scenes in moving-picture history. )
I have balls !!!
Knowledged_one
02-05-2003, 09:04 AM
The only troubling thing other then man love, is the convenience of things happening such as when the french guy got put in oz to be the guy to shoot the gun when any guy who committed his crime would have been in minimum security prison.
Not to mention beecher getting re-arrested they would want a credible source and would never have been watching the purported house 24/7 looking for beecher and if they did he would not have had a case that fast to put him back in.
With that being said the show is still phenomenal and the last 4 episodes should be great. Next to the Wire this is HBO's best show
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TheMojoPin
02-05-2003, 12:59 PM
But I guess they never looked for that general guy that was tossed down the elevator shaft.
Nah, they showed him being either wheeled away or his body being claimed by a relative...shouldn't he have been in a millitary prison to begin with?
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DC Reed
02-05-2003, 01:03 PM
Yah I find it way to convientent that certain people end up in Oz. And sometimes they pass it off and just say "why is he being put in OZ?" "(insert crappy reason here)" But it does add drama to the show.
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Steels
02-05-2003, 01:14 PM
Whoops...when the hell was that revealed?
When Cyril was first brought to Oz. They actually filmed the scene. Audiences viewed it while Ryan told the story to Dr. Gloria in an episode. The funeral, brawl & actual blow that rendered him brain damaged.
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JimBeam
02-05-2003, 02:26 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but what about the guy who shot Said getting put into Oz ??
Thats as shakey as it gets.
And how are the latino's such a " force ", there's only like 2 of them. Maybe 1 now.
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TheMojoPin
02-05-2003, 03:32 PM
You mean in Emerald City, right? There are four Latinos left now, not counting Alvarez...but in all of Oz, there's Lord-knows-how-many...
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JimBeam
02-06-2003, 12:34 PM
Yeah, I wasnt really counting Alvarez.
I was thinking more like Morales ( before he ate it, or as it would appear ) and Chico.
Those are the only two they ever really show.
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TheMojoPin
02-06-2003, 01:31 PM
There's three others always hanging around with them...
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Knowledged_one
02-07-2003, 09:05 AM
just like the aryans always had the random bikers hanging with them.
And other the o'reilly alvarez is the best character on the show
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XlalaX
02-12-2003, 08:15 AM
uh, no recap about last week??? well i knew cyril wasn't gonna die, but i still cried like a little girl (wait a minute...i am a girl!!!)
but what is really getting me is how the fuck are they going to wrap this series up in two more episodes!!!!! how??? and keller is gonna slaughter vern!!!! that's my prediction. what's HBO gonna do??? they're gonna loose all of them!!! better yet, what am i gonna do on sunday nites @ 9????
FMJeff
02-12-2003, 09:35 AM
they're gonna loose all of them!!! better yet, what am i gonna do on sunday nites @ 9????
they still have the wire,curb, six feet under,sopranos and
sex and the city
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TheMojoPin
02-12-2003, 09:50 AM
Bit of a cop-out with last week's ending, but everything leading up to it was about as good as TV can get. I think I even teared up a bit...
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Knowledged_one
02-12-2003, 11:18 AM
That was flat out the best episode of Oz yet, and they arent going to end this show with somebody going off into the sunset. Fontana is going to end it with Oz continuing as it always has, a prison with killings and people constantly coming in and then leaving
A couple of questions: What ever happened to Master P's character he was never killed and basically told Schillinger that she did it with black guys, no retribution?
Who will be the final appearances on the last two episodes in place of Augustus. My guess is Adibesi and hopefully Said for one last show
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El Mudo
02-12-2003, 06:29 PM
how the fuck are they going to wrap this series up in two more episodes!!!!!
well, i think the last episode is gonna be like two hours so they can wrap stuff up then...but i guess since it doesn't matter they might just kill all the main characters..but that would be too simple to do...
Why the heck is the show ending anyway? i mean "Arli$$" lasted 7 freakin years!
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SoLost22
02-12-2003, 06:40 PM
It seems like they are going to kill off all of the main characters. during Last weeks episode i thought i saw a text flash up at one point that said schillinger died of an overdose. I think he will kill Keller, and as for the blacks, i think poet and the other guy who's always with him are gonna fight with the Italians, someone will die but i'm not sure who.
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SoLost22
02-12-2003, 06:42 PM
oh yeah and as for Rebadow....he's gonna get his fuck on with the cancer patient librarian
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bigone1153
02-12-2003, 06:42 PM
hey what happened with wolfgang and the spoon, i missed the frist few episodes of the season...thanks...
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SoLost22
02-12-2003, 06:43 PM
then that new spanish kid is gonna kill him
sorry for the multiple posts
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Reephdweller
02-16-2003, 06:09 PM
I loved Oz tonight, the fuckin' warden gets it!
I got a feeling that Alvarez is gonna get screwed just before his parole. 1 episode to go, I also think Schillinger goes down.
Can't wait, 100 minutes next week>
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Steels
02-16-2003, 06:13 PM
Alvarez is gonna get screwed just before his parole
?????
O.k I stopped watching this once excellent show after they were talking about pills to make you age or something. Now its been awhile but you cannot be reffering to "Miguel Alverez" getting paroled. I now this show has plummeted since season III, but please tell me your mistaken. He was serving multiple life sentences and was in solitary last time I can remember. You are referring to another prisoner, right?
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DC Reed
02-16-2003, 06:19 PM
I also think Schillinger goes down.
Yah, on Keller! ZING!
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El Mudo
02-16-2003, 08:54 PM
hey what happened with wolfgang and the spoon, i missed the frist few episodes of the season...thanks...
Robson needed protection from Pencamo and the Italians and had no friends left cause he got the black people gums so he had to become wolfgang's bitch to be protected. he tricked wolfgang into doing this breath play stuff and got him to hang himself..
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Steels
02-16-2003, 08:58 PM
Oakland Raiders: 13-5
Next: SUPER BOWL XXXVII vs. Tampa!!
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Do yourself a favor and take that off your signature. Your team was an absolute joke in the biggest game of their lives.
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XlalaX
02-17-2003, 06:14 AM
Why is Keller up to his f'n mind games again??? I hope Beecher gives it to Shillinger!!! Not in those senses...you know what I mean. And what was up with Keller kissing Shillinger like that??? ugh.....
As for Alvarez. I'm starting to believe Wolfgang did it on purpose to take care of his wife. He may have been lingering around when Miguel was leaving one of those phone calls to Maritza, and his devotion triggered something....just a thought.
I was really hoping to see Siad, or Adabese for that matter, narrating the episode, instead of Augustus. But I have a funny feeling O'Rielly is going to do something to his dad...again, just a thought.
As for the previews for next week, it was brought to my attention that Sister Peter Marie was being raped in the cell, now that's deep. And LOTS of blood is going to be spilled. I think all that's going to be left is McManius and the skeleton of his creation.
counting down the days till next sunday!!!!
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El Mudo
02-17-2003, 09:48 AM
Do yourself a favor and take that off your signature. Your team was an absolute joke in the biggest game of their lives.
Yeah i gotta update it...havent done it in a while. There really wasnt much they could do when they would call audibles and have the defense know exactly what was coming
At least they got there..theres 30 other teams that only wish they could be in that spot...
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Reephdweller
02-17-2003, 10:46 AM
O.k I stopped watching this once excellent show after they were talking about pills to make you age or something. Now its been awhile but you cannot be reffering to "Miguel Alverez" getting paroled.
Steels it's true. Actually it's pretty compelling watching this guy do a complete 180 with his life over the last few seasons.
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Steels
02-17-2003, 12:36 PM
There really wasn't much they could do when they would call audible and have the defense know
You make a valid point. I have never seen a team less prepared than the Raiders were on Super Bowl Sunday.
Steels it's true. Actually it's pretty compelling watching this guy do a complete 180 with his life over the last few seasons.
Let me get this straight. Alveraz gouges out a C.O's eyes, holds a priest hostage while threatening his life, escapes ... gets recaptured and returned to Oz, admitingly killed 2 inmates and went absolutely ballistic at a prior parole meeting and I read a post about him having a chance to regain freedom? This may just be the most idiotic thing I have heard in my life. It's no wonder why I left this show a few years ago. Wow, that is just too awful. I actually picked up a phone and called a friend (after reading this thread) who I know still watches the program. I was told that the writing has become so poor that they have resorted to just killing off prime cast members every week. One week Beecher's dad was strolling along (ALL BY HIMSELF) in a PRISON HALLWAY (OZ) when he gets shanked and murdered???? I just took the time to read this entire thread.....seems I am a minority with this opinion. According to you guys "Oz" is prepping to sweep the Emmy awards. Are you people insane?
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Reephdweller
02-17-2003, 12:58 PM
i know what you mean steels but unfortunatly that's all there is. it is kind've cool watching all the major characters get killed. poetic justic in a way.
the thing with beechers dad was kind've silly i agree.
as for alvarez, he made peace with the officer who'se eyes he gouged out. he even trained a seeing eye dog for him.
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Steels
02-17-2003, 01:14 PM
This is the first time I am taking some serious notice to white honeys....reefdwella's sig pics just might make me a believer..
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Reephdweller
02-17-2003, 01:40 PM
This is the first time I am taking some serious notice to white honeys....reefdwella's sig pics just might make me a believer..
hmmm i should mix it up a little with some sistas...add a little pepper to the mix
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TheMojoPin
02-17-2003, 03:43 PM
One week Beecher's dad was strolling along (ALL BY HIMSELF) in a PRISON HALLWAY (OZ) when he gets shanked and murdered????
While I agree that this murder was pointless and only there for shock value, I just want to point out that there WAS a guard with him who had been paid off by the Aryan prag, and it was that guard who locked the door at the end of the hallway, trapping Mr. Beecher.
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Steels
02-17-2003, 03:51 PM
hmmm i should mix it up a little with some sistas...add a little pepper to the mix
I was thinking maybe more in the lines of napalm coated women..
I just want to point out that there WAS a guard with him who had been paid off by the Aryan prag, and it was that guard who locked the door at the end of the hallway, trapping Mr. Beecher.
A friend told me that info briefly on the phone earlier. I'll take your word for it though. Regardless, Oz is an abomination of the great series it once was.
Anyone interested in some old school "Oz" history or if you have questions about the show, drop me a line. I know the first four seasons inside out.
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Reephdweller
02-17-2003, 04:09 PM
I know the first four seasons inside out.
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
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Steels
02-17-2003, 04:16 PM
Poor choice of words. :(
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TheMojoPin
02-17-2003, 04:26 PM
I think it's definitely gone downhill in the last couple seasons...what I think "broke" it was that mini-season Fontana had to do a couple years back...it was only a few months after the season before it, and he was working on another series for HBO (That never went ahead) about baseball players wives or something...the whole mini-season was really rushed and seemed way out there, and I think he stuck himself in some bizarre plotlines that he couldn't just write away...
But even so, there's been some brilliant performaces in the midst of the wackiness...like O'Reilly in the episdoe before last when it looked like Cyril was going to be executed...and I still think it's better than most TV dramas out there, even if it can't match its own previous quality.
Oh well..."Oz" fan since day one...
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Steels
02-17-2003, 04:42 PM
the whole mini-season was really rushed and seemed way out there, and I think he stuck himself in some bizarre plotlines that he couldn't just write away...
You have a good eye. That is precisely how I always felt about the downfall of the show.
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02-23-2003, 06:40 PM
BRAAAVO
WE will MISS you!
Great finale!
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DC Reed
02-23-2003, 06:43 PM
I started watching just this season. Now i am waiting for the entire show to be on DVD.
I thought it was pretty good way to go out, and McManus had the words "Dont worry well be back here." as if he were speaking truthfully. I wish the show would be back, but alas it wont.
I thought the way it went out was a bit silly, toxins....i thought Oz was toxic already, or atleast solitary.
Cyrils execution seemed kinda rushed, and why introduce characters like Ryans dad and that gay night club owner. They added nothing to the overall effect of the show.
I think it was a bit predictable that Beecher would kill Schillenger. But it was funny when Beecher did the deed, and all of Em City and the Gen Pop. went crazy. In Macbeth, when Macbeth is slain, it is the end of tyranny. It seemed like that was the metaphor when Beecher killed him and, the pop. was thrilled.
Or maybe im overthinking it.
Pretty good, ill give it a B.
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Reephdweller
02-23-2003, 06:46 PM
I loved the finale, the vicious circle seems complete.
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FMJeff
02-23-2003, 06:58 PM
What a finale...
Oz will be missed. I'm glad nobody was spared. What a special show...I learned a great deal....
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El Mudo
02-23-2003, 07:27 PM
Great ending. I like how they pretty much left it up to the audience's imagination to decide how each of the characters would end up..
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phixion
02-23-2003, 09:17 PM
i still cant help but believe it will be on again someday. simply because of Mcmannis' exit quote.
but i found my favorite maniacal evil bastards becoming soft dicked pussies. ryan shouldve told his father to go fuck himself. and robson went soft as well. i mean these new portrayals show the actors range but i like evil fuckers who take no prisoners.
Oz will b missed a great deal. they greatest show since the 2nd season of buffy (say what you will but that entire season was a work of art. watch it, then judge.)
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jratt
02-24-2003, 04:08 AM
any body have the qoute at the end of the show from that guy that is in the wheel chair
i cant remeber for the life of me but i know it was great
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