A Marvel question:Which is stronger?

[furie]

Adamantium alloy or Uru metal?

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as one of the few resident comics geeks here, id have to say that its pretty much been shown that admantium is the strongest metal in marveldom hence why in a recent issue of punisher, wolverine can take a blast to the face from franks shotgun and still be kickin ass.

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[Gvac]

If memory serves me correctly (which it often doesn't) adamantium was tested when it was first invented by having Thor hurl his hammer at it with all his might. He was unable to dent it.

Again, take it with a grain of salt. It might be vibranium I'm thinking of.

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[murfee]

capt america's shield nothing stronger nuff said <P>


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[Captain Rooster]

Uru metal


Who used that? I only remember Admantium and Vibranium. And there is a pic of Wolvie and CPT America fighting where Wolvie's claws cannot cut through the shield. So far, I have to go with vibranium.



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Prepare for a geeking out...

Uru metal is what Thor's hammer is forged from.

Wolverine (And Bullseye's) skeleton are infused with adamantium.

Cap's second shield, the "original" round one, was made of adamantium, but was replaced in the 80's (I think, maybe later) by one that was an adamantium/vibranium hybrid, and the implication was that it was a zillion times tougher than his old shield. Cap's lost this shield plenty of times, and even had a crappy energy one for a while, but the hybrid model always ends up coming back.

Vibranium seems to be mined only in the Black Panther's African country, and it's how he's so goddamned rich.

It works like this. Adamantium cannot break Uru, Uru CAN break adamantium, but Uru cannot fuck with vibranium, which can destroy both Uru and adamantium. Though Thor's hammer's strength rests more in the magic spells Odin infused it with, not the actual Uru itself.

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[phixion]

the only other metal which even rivals uru and adamantium is carbonadium (dont trust my spelling) the stuff omega reds coils and body armor is made of. adamantium is only able to scratch it, and then it can automatically regerate itself., so its as if adamantium never even touched it.

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[phixion]

Let's aget together and play GI Joe and read comics.


im all for the comics and ill watch gi joe. i was never a big on playing with them. i was more of a ninja turles kind of guy. but ill watch sgnt. slaughter take on the cobra king anyday of the week.

another question of the same topic:
hulk and thor were the two strongest characters in marvel's history rite? but they never said who was stronger of the two. am i rite or am i just stoned?

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[DarkHippie]

Wolverine (And Bullseye's) skeleton are infused with adamantium.

how did bullseye get one? are they just giving metal skeletons out now?

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carbonadium

Eh, I can't spell it either...but it's effectively negated from the "metal race" because the formula to make it was lost...Omega Red, I believe, is the last "specimen" walking around...

And as for "Hulk vs. Thor", I've always picked Thor. The guy's a God, and has a history going back a few thousand years as being a drunken bezerker warrior. Both are "class 100" (Mommy, WOW! I read my "Offical Handbook to The Marvel Universe" now!), so it's pretty much anyone's guess...

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how did bullseye get one? are they just giving metal skeletons out now?

Y'know, I'm blanking on this, but I'll bet it was just the Kingpin...it was some hack writer throwing it in after Miller had left...Bullseye was left paralyzed after killing Elektra, and someone funded the adamantium process. But whereas Wolverine had the metal infused INTO his bones, I think Bullseye's are just coated with the stuff. Now how this "repairs" a broken spine, I have NO idea...

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[furie]

The Japanese crime lord, Lord Dark Wind(Lady Deathstike father) gave bullseye the adamantium, because he wanted an unstopable killer. he leaves dark winds service and later ends up with Kingpin. then Lady Deathstike underwent the proceedure to replace bullseye.

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Thanks, Furie. I never actually read the story where Bullseye got the metal, just that it was noted when I finally came back to reading "Daredevil" after dropping it for a few years...

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[samnyc]

No question, uru is strong than adamantium. Face it -- uru is forged by gods and adamantium is made by humans.

I don't remember Bullseye having the metal either; did Kevin Smith mention it in his first DD story?


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[DarkHippie]

hulk and thor were the two strongest characters in marvel's history rite? but they never said who was stronger of the two.
If you're going for just pure strength, I'd have to go with the Hulk. The more injured he gets, the angrier he gets, and the stronger he gets. Plus, the gamma radiation is effectively a cancer to him, constanly regenerating his body: he "heals" at a fantastic rate.

But if you want to be cheap about it, Thor could just teleport them both to Asgard and have all the other gods help him kick the Hulk's ass if it came down to it.

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[phixion]

No question, uru is strong than adamantium. Face it -- uru is forged by gods and adamantium is made by humans.


umm but adamantium was found in the ground so technically didnt the 'gods' make that too? man didnt create it, they just used it.

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It works like this. Adamantium cannot break Uru, Uru CAN break adamantium, but Uru cannot fuck with vibranium, which can destroy both Uru and adamantium. Though Thor's hammer's strength rests more in the magic spells Odin infused it with, not the actual Uru itself.

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[Se7en]

hence why in a recent issue of punisher, wolverine can take a blast to the face from franks shotgun and still be kickin ass.

I dug that issue.

I know some Wolverine fans who hated it, cause of the royal ass-beating Wolvie took, but it didn't bother me. That's pretty much exactly how I'd imagine a fight between Castle & Logan going down.

Vibranium seems to be mined only in the Black Panther's African country, and it's how he's so goddamned rich.

If memory serves, it's cause Vibranium is mined from an asteroid that landed in Wakanda (and only in Wakanda).

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I'm game.

But Gvac can't play with any of my action figures anymore, after what he did to my Baroness figure last time. Sick bastard, the stains still haven't come out.

And as for "Hulk vs. Thor", I've always picked Thor. The guy's a God, and has a history going back a few thousand years as being a drunken bezerker warrior. Both are "class 100" (Mommy, WOW! I read my "Offical Handbook to The Marvel Universe" now!), so it's pretty much anyone's guess...

I'd give "Savage Hulk" the edge.

Because the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.

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[TheMojoPin]

And if you're going to quote someone else's work give the credit to the orginal author.

Uhm, I AM the original author. He was trying to quote me the newbie way.

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[synthfiend]

Uru metal is stronger because it's forged of the Asgardian God's magic not an alloy made by mortals.

What do you want from us? We're EVIL! EVIL!!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Nah, Uru is just plain ol' Asgardian metal. It can BECOME enchanted, like Thor's hammer, or that Destroyer robot thingie...

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He may not be savage, but THIS was the best Hulk...EVER.

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[furie]

hulk and thor were the two strongest characters in marvel's history rite? but they never said who was stronger of the two.


Yes they did. Hulk's tagline is "The strongest one there is."

'nuff said.

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[WintersEmbers]

i believe vibranium is considered the strongest because it absorbs vibrations, half the impact from what ever was thrown at would just be absorbed.

question number three: does anyone remember in the mid ninties when they tried to give cap some type of iron man like armor?

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how did i miss that one?

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hulk and thor were the two strongest characters in marvel's history rite? but they never said who was stronger of the two.


You're kidding right? I mean your joking? In the pecking order of Marvel characters, the Hulk and Thor DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE. Are we forgetting Galactus? The Celestials? Eternity? Master Order? Love & Hate? (aka the cosmic muckity mucks)

Ok, maybe you're looking for the regulars then...How about Juggernaut? Thanos? Hercules? Thing?

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Hulk and Thor can't hold a torch to the Silver Surfer! He'd kick both their asses without breaking a sweat.

If memory serves me right, Tony Stark once created a shield for Capt. America & it was made from adamantium. Besides if Uru or Vibranium is stronger, how come Tony Stark never applied that to his Iron Man Technology?

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[DarkHippie]

I think Galactus is dead, and i don't the cosmic forces should count. No ones mentioned any of the Defenders. Dr. strange, namor and Son of satan would all put up a great fight

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[FMJeff]

If memory serves me right, Tony Stark once created a shield for Capt. America & it was made from adamantium. Besides if Uru or Vibranium is stronger, how come Tony Stark never applied that to his Iron Man Technology?


Because Adamantium is rare and difficult to form. I've always wondered how an indestructible metal could be cut and melted to form anything. The very nature of a indestructible metal suggests a material that is impenetrable by modern metal shaping and cutting techniques. There's a lot of these illogical loopholes in comic books...for example Superman's Costume...the threads were supposed to be indestructible yet Ma Kent was able to sew a costume for her son with no problem. (why did she make the costume so fucking gay anyway...I guess it's a mother's responsibility to dress her chilren in the most ridiculous getups imaginable)

Besides, Iron Man sucks. He's not a real superhero. Any dipshit can build himself a super suit with blasters and shields. Tony Stark was a pussy without the suit and everybody knew it.

Which brings up another point? Fantastic Four. It's like everyone's character names made sense except for Reed Richards. The Invisible Woman was invisible, the Human Torch was a human Torch, the Thing was an inexplicable rock creature...shouldn't Reed be Stretch Man? Why are YOU Mr. Fantastic, and what a fucking gay name to pick for yourself. "I'm Mr. Fantastic...waoooOooooOO!" And the ego calling his team the Fantastic Four! What a vain douchebag.

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[CaptClown]

If memory serves me correctly (which it often doesn't) adamantium was tested when it was first invented by having Thor hurl his hammer at it with all his might. He was unable to dent it.

Even though you are my hero Gvac, I have to disagree. I remember Adamantium was developed in WWII. Thor didn't arrive in this dimension until the late 50's early 60's. I maybe wrong though.

capt america's shield nothing stronger nuff said

Thanos' fist and the Infinity Gems are stronger.

Vibranium seems to be mined only in the Black Panther's African country, and it's how he's so goddamned rich.

I hate to disagree with you Mojopin since you have a great track record. There are two different types of Vibranium; Wakandan vibranium which absorbs energy, and Savage Land vibranium which emits energy.
uru is forged by gods and adamantium is made by humans.

Uru naturally occurs in the Asgardian dimension.
Because Adamantium is rare and difficult to form. I've always wondered how an indestructible metal could be cut and melted to form anything. The very nature of a indestructible metal suggests a material that is impenetrable by modern metal shaping and cutting techniques.

Molecular forge or something like that. I forget where I read it.
Which brings up another point? Fantastic Four. It's like everyone's character names made sense except for Reed Richards. The Invisible Woman was invisible, the Human Torch was a human Torch, the Thing was an inexplicable rock creature...shouldn't Reed be Stretch Man?

If you could stretch your junk and shape it anyway you wanted wouldn't the ladies call you Mr Fantastic?

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ill watch sgnt. slaughter take on the cobra king anyday of the week.

who's cobra king? You mean Cobra Commander or Serpentor?

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[Lucento]

Captain America's shield is an amalgum of Vibranium and Adamantium. Id have to say that Adamantium is strongt than Uru. Uru has a higher density though.

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[phixion]

Ok, maybe you're looking for the regulars then...How about Juggernaut? Thanos? Hercules? Thing?


juggernaut was not on the level of hulk or thor
hulk kicked juggernauts ass but i may just be making this up

thanos without his rings isnt strong at all

thor fought hercules and hercules got his ass handed to him

and thing and hulk fought many times over and hulk always one. the only thing that allowed it to be a contest was the fact that thing never backed down he kept on fighting

stan lee stated himself that hulk and thor were the two strongest, which is why hulk fought thor rite b4 the avenger's were formed. he wanted the 2 titans to battle one another and then form the second best team ever. (1st? X-men)

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[furie]

I think Galactus is dead


he turned into a star, and i agree, the cosmic enities(and that includes the beyonder) shouldn't count.

although Silver Surfer would beat Thor's ass, and could prob beat Hulk, if we're talking strength like bench press, then it would have to be Hulk.

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[synthfiend]

for example Superman's Costume...the threads were supposed to be indestructible yet Ma Kent was able to sew a costume for her son with no problem. (why did she make the costume so fucking gay anyway
The costume is the way it is because all the women in Metropolis are whores Norman. If Ol' Supes looks like a fag then they'll probably think he is one. Typical mother logic.

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[TheMojoPin]

thanos without his rings isnt strong at all

You kidding? He stood up against Odin himself. He finally got tossed around, but he never backed down. What a badass.


The Surfer is up there, because he was actually able to damage Thor's hammer with his cosmic energy blasts.

Let's just agree to disagree on everything with the all-purpose Marvel go-to answer..."unstable molecules".

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I think Dr. Strange can beat the Hulk. He can just put him into a pocket dimension until the hulk turns back into banner

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Is Collossus stronger than the Thing?

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[furie]

Is Collossus stronger than the Thing?


they're about equal.

Anyone remember the uncanny xmen issue when colossus fought juggernaut in a bar?

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There's a lot of these illogical loopholes in comic books...for example Superman's Costume...the threads were supposed to be indestructible yet Ma Kent was able to sew a costume for her son with no problem.


The bullshit explanation they came up with was that it was due to Superman's skin.

Superman himself is damn near indestructable; therefore, any material (i.e. cloth) that fits snugly against his skin sort of leechs onto some of that invulnerability. Therefore, Superman's tights don't rip or tear.

Silly, huh? But that's comic books for ya.

Besides, Iron Man sucks. He's not a real superhero. Any dipshit can build himself a super suit with blasters and shields. Tony Stark was a pussy without the suit and everybody knew it.

I disagree. Not only is Stark one of the most intelligent mortals in the Marvel universe, but the power levels on that suit are supposed to be insane. He's supposedly strong enough to basically take on - and out - some of the heaviest hitters, such as the X-Men.

thanos without his rings isnt strong at all

That's just not true. Thanos of Titan can kick some major ass.

You don't want to mess with an SOB who literally has Death as his girlfriend.

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[furie]

thanos without his rings isnt strong at all


Thanos used to go toe-to-toe to with Cpt Marvel.

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The Rooster is right it's Vibranium. Admantium was developed because they couldn't duplicate the Vibranium used in Capt. America's Shield. <P>

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[TheMojoPin]

The Rooster is right it's Vibranium. Admantium was developed because they couldn't duplicate the Vibranium used in Capt. America's Shield.

I think you're getting things mixed up. Cap's second shield (The first round one) was given to him during WW2 (By Roosevelt himself, natch) and it was made of adamantium, or at least an adamantium composite. He was given the Vibranium/Adamantium shield in the late 70's/80's (Not sure of the date), and Vibranium itself only started showing up in the Marvel Universe in the late 70's, at least five years after adamantium was introduced. The reason he was given the composite was because his adamantium shield was either lost or destroyed, so they built him something stronger. Even today it's not just vibranium. The latest model is still a mix of the two metals.

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[TheMojoPin]

The less that is said of it, the better.

Coincidentally, gay-ass USAgent also used a gay-ass energy shied during his time on Force Works, which was a MOST gay-ass title.

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